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stray flintBOT Sep 17, 2023, 9:15 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:15 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KXzytHPxdQ2grJfw#type=damage-done&boss=2685&difficulty=5&wipes=1

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so iam rogue now for two weeks and would like to get some help improving. i think i mix up some stuff

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maybe wasting cp and so on

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:39 PM

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So I'm seeing a clear lack of intention or understanding in your rotation. You've wasted a ton of combo points from The First Dance in the first 1:30. Your opener was off, you didn't use your dragonfire bomb on cooldown(minor minor optimization but still helps), rupture is not maximized and you're wasting a lot of time at max combo points.

So for your opener, you sometimes went like this: Shadowstrike, Gloomblade, Dance, evis, strike, sectec, symbols,.strike evis strike. You wasted 4 combo points from tfd, lost an opportunity to gain a danse macabre stack from dance>gloomblade, didn't apply rupture at all, symbols too early, didnt optimize vanish strike damage, and because you shadowstrike at the end of the dance, you're on 4 cp. Which means you're losing lingering shadow value by only getting 1 gloomblade in before you finish again.

In other pulls you fixed up the opener a bit, but still wasted a lot of shadow technique combo points, are you following the finisher rule?

Then I see you're not using rupture properly in general, your rupture cadence should be: opener (first rupture), dance, (finality)rupture, dance, dance, rupture, (finality) rupture, dance, dance, etc etc

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Sorry if its jumbled up theres a lot wrong on this log

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:41 PM

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thanks for your help, just need to understand everything

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what you have written

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:42 PM

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Opener should be as follows: Shadowstrike, (trinket on use), gloomblade, rupture, {shadowblades, potion, dance, gloomblade} (one global), evis, shadowstrike, sec tec, vanish-shadowstrike, evis.

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:42 PM

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shadowblades before rupture?

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:43 PM

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After, you can also use it before the gloomblade cast, but you lose out on a global with blades

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Blades only works on combo point generators, so using it on a finisher is a wasted global

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:43 PM

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i think i have bound blades with a gloomblade

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let me check

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yeah i have a macro with blades, potion and GB

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:44 PM

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I wouldn't macro shadow blades to a builder, rather macro it to my combat pot

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Sometimes you will want to hold bladrs

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:45 PM

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you talked about finisher rule? like 6 cp outside of dance, 5 in dance?

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:45 PM

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If you're running stilleto for instance, blades may come up 10 seconds before you go down on sark, so its a waste

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Yeah 5-7 in dance, 6-7 out

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I just saw a lot of wasted shadow techniques combo points, which should never happen frequently

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:46 PM

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okay for example i do into my dance window, i press Strike, Evis, Strike, if then only at 5 cp i press GB and then CB + ST

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:46 PM

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Well with first dance you're wasting points

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You gain 4 entering dance

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So it should be dance>gloomblade>Evis

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Then strike with premed into sectec

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If u dance strike, you're wasting premed combo points

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:47 PM

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i think iam not correct into sectec

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do you sometimes like wait a second to let it proc

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or just smashing your button

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to get most out

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:48 PM

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Depends, my WA has a counter for shadow tech

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:48 PM

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i have it too

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for example if it is at 50%

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:48 PM

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So if I know its proccing very soon, I may wait like .3 seconds

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 9:48 PM

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ah

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yeah thats what i meant

weary folio Sep 17, 2023, 9:48 PM

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Never an entire global thi

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In my experience, the shadow tech proc usually triggers during the 5-6th global of dance

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If you're doing your rotation optimally, it just lines up

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But yeah if you know its coming, you're at 5-6cp, u can wait for it

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But its not worth actively playing towards and looking for.

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Just a small optimization you can do if the opportunity arises

shell steeple Sep 17, 2023, 10:07 PM

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do you have maybe a log from you where i can see some things?

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i was reading your text again: what exactly means max out rupture? just cast it at 6 cp and whats the earliest point i should refresh?

weary folio Sep 18, 2023, 12:06 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K89zTZh2tncxGv3M#fight=5&type=casts&source=23&view=timeline

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So this is funnily enough one of my worse logs but its still all there

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I got a weaponmaster proc so I just ruptured right away in my opener

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But if u scroll through p1, you see the cadence of ruptures after opener

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22 sec rupture, 25 sec dance, 51 sec dance, 1:04 rupture, 1:08 rupture, 118 dance

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for sark p2 its a little looser, since you want to rupture the big add as well as sark

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so u dont follow this rule

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by maxing out rupture, i just mean the value

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a finality rupture is a ton of extra damage with dark brew

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so its worth it to cast rupture back to back to get finality rupture going

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its a small gain, about .5-1% but its still a gain

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And I was on bomb duty in p3, so thats the lost uptime

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