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potent skyBOT Jul 30, 2023, 4:19 AM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

nocturne palm Jul 30, 2023, 4:19 AM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BHAfXGYJqmTKxazv#fight=5&type=damage-done

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Hey everyone. trying to see if there is anyway for me to improve. Although I don't think my damage is bad, I'm trying to see if there's anything I'm doing wrong or if there is something I can improve on. Any tips to min/max is appreciated

nocturne palm Jul 30, 2023, 6:23 PM

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bump

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 3:07 PM

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@thin swift don’t hate me for pinging you and asking for some feedback 🫣 Trying to get better to time higher keys

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 3:14 PM

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no worry ^^

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think DB is in general better than flag, but depends on dungeon

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your trinekts 👀, might need to update your hunger at some point

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 3:47 PM

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but you seem to have multiple gear pieces that could see upgrades

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 4:23 PM

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sry, had some discussions

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you basically take a very long time before you start using your cooldowns

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you rly want to use coolowns earlier

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also if you use tornado like this

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you would tornado-dance shortly before first tornado tick

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shadow strike might have been worth it depending on the target count in the pull

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:11 PM

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thin swift your trinekts 👀, might need to update your hunger at some point

Omg I would love to use DB over flag. That’s one less CD to keep track of. When is flag better than DB?

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:12 PM

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flag is better than DB if you can line it up rly well with pulls

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but db is in general more versatile

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:13 PM

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thin swift your trinekts 👀, might need to update your hunger at some point

I know I’ve had such bad luck with trinkets. I spent all weekend running FH trying to get a dice. Hoping to get something out my vault tomorrow. I also spent the weekend maxing out the rest of my gear 😎

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:13 PM

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gameplay wise, m+ logs are a bit hard to read

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e.g.

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you did lose a lot of gcds in this dance

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you did use tea fairly late

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symbols also very late

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unsure what the cause is of any of it

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also it is very hard to know what target count you have

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if its a lower target count

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you would dance-strike-bp-storm-secret

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the evi also seems wird

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before secret

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you did use tornado there is seems

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but there is a delay between dance and your first ability

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losing you a ability cast in dance

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symbols you can fire as soon as the dance instance is on 3 sec left

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:15 PM

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So question about Shadow strike or shuriken storm. With respect to target count. Less than 7, shadow strike>shuriken storm. And when it comes to lining up CD’s, should I be using symbols on CD if it desyncs with Shadow dance?

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:16 PM

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you would use strike on lower target coutns yes

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you should use symbols on cd

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unless dance is up very soon

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e.g. if the cooldown on dance is 10 secs

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you delay symbols up till 3 sec of the symbols instance from shadow dance

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else just fire and forget

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same with shb

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:17 PM

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When you see out of the ordinary things, that may have to do with dodging mechanics or priority targets in a pack to funnel damage. But reading the FAQ, I try to follow the opener when I’m not dodging mechanics lol. Sometimes I’m bad at mechanics, and struggle with using shadow dance right before I need to move out of melee range to dodge

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:18 PM

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this sequence here is fairly weird

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you would not use strike two times

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when using bp

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unless its 2 targets

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and if its 2 targtes

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you woul strike-evi or bp-storm-gb-secret

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you can as mentioned use symbols earlier

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bcause it can take over 3 secs from a existing instance

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a lot of damage is lost by not using dance effeciently

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not using all 8 gcds is bad

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so overall just need to work a bit on your efficiency

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basically:

try to use cooldowns earlier/faster (it sometimes seems like you have a long time without dance use in aoe)
try to play dance correct/efficient
you can use tornado outside of dance if its easier for you

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:25 PM

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thin swift when using bp

Sorry, I’m trying to figure out what bp stands for? I think I need to relook at the opener to get the 8 GCDs in shadow dance every time. I will def work on the efficiency, which is something I feel I do struggle on

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:25 PM

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black powder

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basically

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as a baseline

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try to use cooldowns as fast as possible

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you can delay shortly, but only shortly

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if tank gathers mobs for a pack

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or if you know there will be a rly big pull you wouldn't have cooldowns for else

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:27 PM

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Do you recommend shuriken tornado in mythic +? I def feel like sometimes that extra GCD using shuriken tornado sometimes hinders. But tornado also does so much damage with dance

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:27 PM

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shuriken tornado is good

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i personally think its fine to not play it if you don't play super high keys

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:28 PM

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While tank is pulling mobs is it always best to put rupture on all targets with tricks before using dance?

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:28 PM

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not always

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it is dynamic

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:28 PM

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thin swift i personally think its fine to not play it if you don't play super high keys

What do you consider super high keys? I’m trying to work my way up to 3k. Currently at 2600

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:28 PM

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idk 25 26 maybe

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i don't think tornado is mandatory

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but its a strong cooldown that boosts your output when you start a pack

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:29 PM

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thin swift not always

Is there a good rule of thumb for when it is better to not use rupture on all targets and just go straight into dance?

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:29 PM

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the rule of thumbs is

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if mobs are not gathered, you can put out 1-2 ruptures before going into cooldowns

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but if you want to min max

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you would adjust depending on how long the packs surivive

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:30 PM

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thin swift i don't think tornado is mandatory

I like sub and really want to master it. So I’d rather use tornado if it’s better rather than just make sub easier

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:30 PM

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could be that you get more out of it by getting back your cooldowns sooner

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this is why it depends

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i know people love a "always true" answer, but there isn't one

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a lot of timing comes with experience

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but if not sure, it is usually better to send a cooldown

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:31 PM

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Would you say good practice is to put rupture while everything is being gathered? Once it’s all together, send the CDs?

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:31 PM

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it is usualy the better play

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:31 PM

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I can work with that

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That helps a lot

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:31 PM

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because you sometimes would only hit liek 2-3 mobs

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if you send cooldowns immidiatly

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but by adding a small delay

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you would hit 8+

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:32 PM

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I try maybe too hard to get rupture on everything before going into dance

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:32 PM

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but again

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:32 PM

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thin swift could be that you get more out of it by getting back your cooldowns sooner

^ this

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:32 PM

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Yeah

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I’ll get more out of my CDs by changing it up

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Thank you

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:33 PM

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just try to get comfortable

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it takes a bit

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:33 PM

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I’ll work on the efficiency on dance too. That one is the big one

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:33 PM

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just try to take one step at the time^^

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:33 PM

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Not having flag will help with that too. I personally am not the biggest fan of flag. Sometimes feels awkward to use

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:34 PM

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a lot of people have less troubles with flag than db

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funnily enough

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:34 PM

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@thin swift this discord would be lost with you 🫡

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:34 PM

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esp. in raiding

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:34 PM

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Really?? I’m curious as to why

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:34 PM

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i am sorry if i wasn't super specific

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:34 PM

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nocturne palm Really?? I’m curious as to why

it is more strict

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you basically know you get more damage during flag

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while db is more about efficient play

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making it more important to not delay cooldowns

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but i am also not entirely sure

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it migth be that most just learned flag

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and now would need to re-learn

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:35 PM

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If a pack has about 15% health left. Better to send shadow dance or save for next pack?

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:35 PM

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having one less cooldown souns easer for me

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:36 PM

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nocturne palm If a pack has about 15% health left. Better to send shadow dance or save for nex...

hard to say

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rly depends on the key

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but if the pack is super low you usualyl won't send

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:36 PM

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Gotcha. I def agree having 1 less CD to track is better. Do you normally run with flag or without?

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Not sure if you change it up depending on key

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:37 PM

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i play Db

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i don't like flag that much

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an both is atm about on par in output

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esp. in m+

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:37 PM

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Nice, good to know

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:37 PM

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flag in m+ is just not that great

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because db is always good

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while flag you need to know if the pulls/route is good for it

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also i am lazy

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don't want the extra button

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:38 PM

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I pretty much focus on mythic +. I pug the raid on heroic just to get the gear. But I don’t have time to hardcore raid

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:38 PM

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fair

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i raid mythic in a casual guild

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(casual = low hours)

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:38 PM

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Lol I feel that. I wish I could find a casual mythic raiding guild that worked with my hours. Maybe some day

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:38 PM

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but we are not on sark yet

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we raid 5/week

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so 2 days 2.5 hours each

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but it is a lot slower to progress

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compared to what others in this discord play

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:39 PM

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But all in all, def agree on being lazy with 1 less CD. I used to main UH DK, so I’m used to having 5 CD’s to juggle. I enjoy having less with sub

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Ahh gotcha, but you enjoy the way your raid does it. That’s what’s important

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I get burned out from the game if I raid 10 hours a week

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:41 PM

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it is also a set shedule

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not everyone can or want to have 2 evenings a week for progress

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or raiding

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as mentioned we are half of what you discribe

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so there are def. guilds that raid low hours

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but it comes down to what you personally prefere

nocturne palm Jul 31, 2023, 6:45 PM

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Absolutely, I agree. I may need to get on a higher pop server that has more mythic raiding guilds. My server doesn’t have many

thin swift Jul 31, 2023, 6:45 PM

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tbh if they keep the upgrade system as is

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it isn't too bad to not raid mythic

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mythic is more for the achivement now

nocturne palm Aug 1, 2023, 4:17 AM

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few more questions @thin swift do we always save shadow blades to use with shadow dance? and do we ever use rupture in aoe mythic + midway through the pack when shadiow dance is off CD, or just spam shuriken storm + bp?

thin swift Aug 1, 2023, 7:04 AM

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you just send blaes on cd

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you can rupture anything that survives decently long

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12+ secs

nocturne palm Aug 2, 2023, 12:28 AM

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nice, thank you. Lastly is it worth using shuriken tornado in ST on bosses in mythic +?

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@thin swift

nocturne palm Aug 2, 2023, 3:20 AM

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and do we only pop thistle tea with shadow dance? or is it ok to pop it outside of it when we're low on energy

thin swift Aug 2, 2023, 7:48 AM

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yes, tornado is worth using even on st

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