schandrix - Log Review

[alpine forge]

Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

[sterile lake]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fxv6aKgRX7nPwVrt

[normal stag]

oh boi this will be a long one

i will only check magmorax fight tho

[thick oasis]

Do you have t30 2p?

[normal stag]

might take a while cause im on a shitty phone rn, cant type that fast xD

[thick oasis]

At a quick glance, I would work on your opener and building DM stacks with the correct buttons. You are also rupturing inside of dance which is a no no

along with using flag in dance too

[normal stag]

you taking over this one matthew?

then i can chill a bit xD

[thick oasis]

Haha I can help if you are on mobile so you don't have to keep switching ❤️

[sterile lake]

t30 2p?

[normal stag]

would be nice, will try my best tho

[thick oasis]

The current tier set from Aberrus

[sterile lake]

Yea I got 4 sets

[thick oasis]

Do you have any of those pieces?

Ok, I can list a few things to work on

[sterile lake]

I have macroed SD + Thistle Tea + Trinket + Gloom blade
I have macroed SB + Pot

[thick oasis]

1. First thing to look at is your opener. You want to shadowstrike > flag > rupture before popping any cds. You then use those cds to build your flag stacks to get to max easily.
2. Never use rupture/snd/flag inside of dance. You get a limited amount of gcds and you shouldn't waste those on those buttons.
3. Since you have 2p of the current tier, you are overriding your Symbols of Death buff a lot. When you press dance, you get the buff for a few seconds. You usually want to press Symbols after your second finisher as that is wearing off so you get maximum uptime.
4. You aren't using vanish at all from what I can see. If you are saving it for mechanics, thats fine. But you can get a dps increase usually inside of dance. You vanish after sectech to get a buffed shadowstrike immediately after

(also looking at magmorax only)

[normal stag]

So what i can observe from the Magmarox fight aswell is that you using all your tea charges with your first 3 dances instead of using them for energy.
Tea in the first dance window is fine to get the stacks rolling but after that you should only use tea for the energy so you dont get starved outside of dance. otherwise all what matthew said

[sterile lake]

So I should use my dance wait for the buff to finish and use symbol

[normal stag]

No

SoD has a Pandemic Timer

similar to snd and rupture

you use SoD (the spell itself) in your dance windows when sod has >3sec left

so you extend SoD basically to 12secs

theres also a command in the sub channel

!symbols

[sterile lake]

Yea that's because I macroed it to shadow dance as I'm trying to make it abit easier on em

[normal stag]

there is everything stated

[sterile lake]

Replying to this

[normal stag]

dont macro anything into dance

besides maybe gloomblade when you play the first dance

this will result in a huge loss, especially with macroing thistle tea

cause you are using it when you dont need it

[sterile lake]

Gloom blade gives 1 stack of DM Right?

[normal stag]

and the mastery buff isnt worth it

yes

[thick oasis]

definitely worth keeping every button separate. Its a bit much at the beginning but once you learn it, it comes natural

[sterile lake]

I'm using First dance talent

[normal stag]

every first time usage of a spender or builder will build a dm stack

[thick oasis]

so dance rotation should be: dance > gb > evis > ss > sectech > sod > vanish > ss > evis > ss

so thats 5~ stacks

[sterile lake]

I also macroed CB with ST

[normal stag]

then its fine to macro it into dance, cause you want to use gloomblade with tfd after entering dance, so you would press your dance bind two times into evsicerate into shadowstrike -> proceed with normal rotation

[normal stag]

yes that good

but do you got CB on a seperate button aswell?

cause on magmorax u used cb sometimes with an eviscerate

[sterile lake]

Just to check the timer on it

Isnt it better with ST?

[thick oasis]

Should always be with that

[normal stag]

thats fine but not needed for you now, there is a little minmax situation where you delay sectech dor cb but thats too much for you rn i guess

[thick oasis]

Usually will be up for every other sectech

[normal stag]

I can def. recommend you going over the sub FAQ again to get some of the basics done. otherwise the method guide is also good for beginners, clean website and easy to understand

[sterile lake]

I was thinking that ST was the main damager and I needed to stack DM to 5+ to launch a massive attack

[normal stag]

No thats not how it works

you want to use sectech as 2nd finisher always in dance

so that the sectech clones hit in your dance aswell

[sterile lake]

Flag always get it with shadow dance?

Or should it be pulled on CD?

[normal stag]

otherwise you will loose out on a lot of damage

always on cd before a finisher

[sterile lake]

SB as well?

[normal stag]

in general yes

but you need to keep timers in mind on raid fights

dont send it if boss is close to phasing or so

cause then you dont get any use outside of your cd's

[sterile lake]

So if I wanna clear it up on non openers Refresh Rapture and SND / Dance evis SS ST SS evis and so on

[sterile lake]

Ofc

[normal stag]

you dont need to reapply rupture/snd if its not needed

[sterile lake]

If its gonna drop?

It provide a 6 second on tier set

I believe its more than enough on a SD to handle

[normal stag]

Rupture and SnD fot pandemic timers aswell

make sure you refresh them in their pandemic time

if e.g snd drops close before dance

its not needed to refresh before dance

cause you get 9sec of SnD through premed (talent)

then you just do normal dance rotation and refresh it after dance

same applies to rupture close before dance

[sterile lake]

I have a wa telling me to refresh the abilities

I believe I got What you saying about pandemic

[normal stag]

if rupture is around 4sec before dropping and you are entering dance close to 4sec of rupture left, you can ignore it cause your tier set will make dance refresh rupture again, so you dont need reapply it mid dance

then you just reapply it after dance again

are the weakauras indicating the pandemic timer aswell?

[sterile lake]

It tells me to refresh on 9 seconds

[normal stag]

yeah thats fine for snd

but iirc the pandemic timer on rupture is >7sec

[sterile lake]

Snd 9 secs / 5 seconds on Rapture

[normal stag]

yep thats right

[sterile lake]

Sod is not mentioned but I will look at it myself

[normal stag]

there is a nice weakaura for it aswell for sod with new 2set

on wago

that im using myself

[sterile lake]

I will try to look for it

But the amount of keybinds is insane

I'm having the trouble that's why I'm using macros all over

[normal stag]

what mouse you got?

[sterile lake]

Razer deathadder

[normal stag]

Me personally i find the sub button count pretty low compared to other classes 😅

[sterile lake]

I tried combat rogue it doesnt have as much

[normal stag]

Ok i got the g502 and i recommend it to you aswell, best wow mouse no cap

reason is:

[sterile lake]

Assassin is just in another level of me rofl

[ashen brook]

I picked up the new steelseries mmo mouse

[normal stag]

you get 3 side buttons (more than enough if you play with modifiers) + a 4d mousewheel + 2 extra buttons on your left mouseclick that you can use

[ashen brook]

Curious to hear why you like g502

[normal stag]

all pairable with modifiers aswell

lemme find my screenshot if my ui

to make the explanation easier

[sterile lake]

Mouse wheel is broken ma man I'm using the wheel for fient and taunt xD poor mouse been here forever

I will try to rearrange my keybinds abit

Its a headache I have to go over and find a sweet spot for all of this to feel easy

Would love with ui help and wa

[normal stag]

so

[sterile lake]

This is mine

[normal stag]

i have all my builders on my mouse buttons (Gloomblade on M5, Rupture on M4 and shuriken storm on 3rd thumb button)

same goes for my finishers

just with a shift modifier

evisc is shift m5

and bp is shift+3rd thumb button

i have it set to P via logitech software cause otherwise wow doesnt detect the 3rd thumbutton

i use one of my on use trinkets (bomb dispenser in that case) on my 4d mouse wheel

if i push my mw to the right it will use bdp

cause ive bound it to "." via logitech software aswell

buttons i dont press that often are on my keyboard

[ashen brook]

I am a 1-6 gamer and then modifiers lol

[normal stag]

like cd's or so

[sterile lake]

Damn cool mouse 😄

[normal stag]

for me personally its so much easier to have all the spells that i use often ln my mouse

prob. because i was a cracked fortnite kid and had all my buildings on my mouse aswell

also i keep it the same for every class i play

so i dont need to build muscle memory again for every spec i twink/play

[sterile lake]

I have many keyboard binds but I use the same concept of having spenders on certain keybinds and builders on other certain keybinds

I will try binding side mouse keybinds

Try to get used to them

https://wago.io/SyOFkg4Vb

This is wa by anychance?

[normal stag]

no

gimme a sec

i will find it for you

[sterile lake]

Btw do you guys mind if I copy this thread for reference later on so I dont forget / this stuff get deleted by anyway?

[normal stag]

i cant find it rn, sry will send you the wa when im back home

[sterile lake]

No worries ma man

[normal stag]

yeah ofc want me to some up everything?

so you can just copy one text

[sterile lake]

Would love to

[normal stag]

aight, gimme some min then

1. You want to shadowstrike > flag > rupture before popping any cds. You then use those cds to build your flag stacks to get to max easily.
2. Never use rupture/snd/flag inside of dance. You get a limited amount of gcds and you shouldn't waste those on those buttons. (Keep Pandemic Timers in Mind!)
   3.When you press dance, you get the buff for a few seconds. You usually want to press Symbols after your second finisher as that is wearing off so you get maximum uptime.
3. You vanish after sectech to get a buffed shadowstrike immediately after
4. Use Tea on your first Dance window to keep the stacks rolling, after that only use it for Energy purpouses.

Take a good look at the Sub FAQ to really burn the opener and the certain rules in your head and look at the method guide, its a clean website where everything is stated in a understandable and in a short form

Watching streamers (that play sub aswell) with a GCD Tracker can also be very helpful to understand why hes presstig which ability when

[thick oasis]

@sterile lake

[sterile lake]

Aw thanks

My discord crashed

[normal stag]

and try to play around and test around with some keybinds on dummies until you are comfortable with everything, muscle memory and playing will do the rest.

hope matthew and i could help you a bit atleast, was a bit all over the place but yeah 😅

I will try to keep it cleaner next time

[thick oasis]

Just takes some time and practice is all 🙂

[sterile lake]

I will try my best to get the hang of all of this. It ain't a simple class like hunters or what not xD

[normal stag]

yeah def not, many overwhelming rules you need to keep in mind

[sterile lake]

A big step from hunter BM to Sub Rogue

[normal stag]

YEP

BIG STEP

but hey

welcome to the yellow class

[sterile lake]

Thanks ma man I will be sticking in it for like quite some years from now 😄

[normal stag]

you can actually use heikili rota addon for the beginning to get a hang of the rotation, i think theyre updated aswell

but use it with caution

and dont take everything for granted that addons says

but some ppl it helps to get a lil hang of the rotation

[sterile lake]

I will def check that out too

[normal stag]

Aight, will go to bedge now

Have a nice evening boys

and ty again for helping out Matthew

[sterile lake]

Thanks @normal stag for your time and @thick oasis

This will be my holy grail for now

[thick oasis]

Happy to help. It gets me through the end of my work day 😄