#kiisara - Log Review
winter ember
muted thorn
@radiant chasm
i'll post 2. . one is slightly behind sim so probably did ok.
the 2nd i'm like 12k behind, one part is not using trinket a 2nd time
This is the one i'm close on (i sim 102k)
this is the weaker one. and i didn't lose really any uptime (very little)
radiant chasm
will come back to you later, one thing tho. I think it is better to focus on gameplay mistakes instead of diffrences to your sim in output
muted thorn
if i'm far behind my sim i consider that a mistake in the gameplay :(.
i don't know what to analyze in a log
this isnt' ffxiv where i know exactly where to look and at what
kind of use my sim as a point of what i should be close to
frigid cradle
I woudn't worry too much about your sim # especially when it looks like you have no WF and no warrior, thats gonna lower ur dps a bit unless you already changed ur sim to account for that
muted thorn
i took out WF, don't think i removed warrior though
sine we had it last week, so it was there
I don't think i made any major errors on the first one. . it's the 2nd i'm more worried about
my consistency from pull to pull not counting beacon isn't entirely there.
outside the first minute or so
dps numbers asside. i can't really look at casts etc. since fight times varry so much on higher parses
muted thorn
and i missed a 2nd beacon entirely
frigid cradle
yeah also i think it might be better to beacon on pull if your not running another on use trinket
muted thorn
i use beacon after my open burst while symbols is still up for the crit rate modifier on it, since that counts towards it. and it's a very rng skill.
frigid cradle
yeah thats true
muted thorn
it usually gets used right before mechanics kick in. and i can transition into doign whatever job i'm asked to . . . or keep rotation going
where it's positioned is right as blue markers go out on neltharion, so i can freely use it whiel i'm aimed to a wall without issue. . . about 1 second before sark kb etc.
hmm
what's the average % evis and secret tech should be at?
that feels like it would fluxuate by crits on beacon or not. so not sure if that's a viable metric
how is my 2nd and later flaggelations? feel like those need cleaned up?
one i think i used during dance since the boss was dead soon.
frigid cradle
from my understanding as long as your sending flag on cd with the proper setup of using a finisher right after it doesn't really matter too much
unless theres a freak scenario where you somehow step away and dont get a dance window in the end of your flag
then that would be bad
muted thorn
idk if i always get dance windows post flag
frigid cradle
well you have a decent amount of time to stack it and then the buff itself, so i think your always getting atleast one dance window regardless of when your using it unless you are missing globals
muted thorn
i don't unless the fight demands it. . . though 3rd flag and later i sometimes don't. it's when my energy tends to drop
frigid cradle
yeah when fuu comes to give u more details, im not super good at looking through the logs properly, but tea usage could be another thing, you only want to be using tea if your about to overcap or if your going to get the full energy from it
so for example, if you have dance coming up in 10seconds but ur starving for energy, you just gotta tough it up and get to your dance rather then use the tea there
since it would be somewhat wasted if u go into dance within a few seconds
muted thorn
outside open i only use tea when i'm low energy to maintain the rotation. . . .
My guess off the top of my head is maybe symbols usage. how i'm using my cd's in the later portions of the fight. . . flaggelation and shadowblades
i rarely ever use tea even near a dance. that scenario doesn't occur for me really. not that i've seen
muted thorn
i'm pretty consistent in the first minute or so. it's the later portions of the fight where i tend to flagg.
ya i use symbols only if dance is over 10 seconds left. unless i'm energy starved which would cause it to stay off cd for a long time
then i toss symbols just as much for the energy to maintain the rotation as anything. . and that's not usually till nearly 2 1/2 - 3m in
hmm. i really wish i knew what to look at in logs to analyze my own lol. but I don't understand how to look at it with so many rng factors in there
frigid cradle
ah so for your later vanishes, make sure to pair those up with dances as well
i used to get flustered and just send them to keep the flow going later on in the fight as well but
muted thorn
i use them for mobility in most fights. but this one i probably should've
since i didn't need the mobility
frigid cradle
yeah what you can do if you need a bit more mobility
is just swap to second shadowstep
muted thorn
tbh outside closing the distance sometimes i forget it exists lol
frigid cradle
you dont need the shuriken expose weakness on pure ST
so double shadowstep can be an option if you think you need it
muted thorn
i used to. but i moved it back so i can just make a 1 talent point swap to pick up black powder for add fights
frigid cradle
i would just have a loadout for the blackpowder version imo
and then i manually swap depending on if i think ineed the shuriken meme
muted thorn
kk
what should be the conditions around a symbols of death and shadowblades windows?
outside no symbols within a few seconds of dance to not waste duration. and with less than 3 seconds of duration left for pandemic
i feel like i'm completely wasting shadowblades with how i use it. . . just press on cd (mostly) and play standard outside that
frigid cradle
you should always send shadowblades on cd, and symbols should be used at the end of your dance for pandemic or for energy to get your next dance assuming it doesnt get overlapped by a large margin
well if u play the first 1.5min well your 2nd shadowblades kinda lines up with Flag which i think is pretty nice
muted thorn
ya, optimally symbols is after secret tech right? since that's close to 3s left on the timer
frigid cradle
uh yeah, i just press it when my symbols starts glowing from pandemic but if your doing the danse macrabre shadowdance rotation its always after the sectech
muted thorn
since you want gloomblade, evis, and a shadowstrike before for dance macabre stacks
ya that
frigid cradle
can you post your sim
muted thorn
one other thing i may be doing wrong. idk if it's right or not.
if dance is about to come off cd. i'll send a finisher even at 3-4 cp. finish it's cd and go into a dance macabre setup.
ya let me swap trinkets back. i took my vault trinket after (wanted to rng a raid drop before choosing vault)
i'll run one without battle sh out
frigid cradle
Yeah i asked that question a few days ago because i felt like it was unclear on how to finish a finisher assuming dance was coming up. From what I was told playing normally, building high combo points then finishing even if you were essentially "wasting" potential cdr on dance was fine to do. instead of prematurely finishing or going into the dance window with full combo points. but I'd love to hear fuu's opinion when he eventually joins. I'm not entirely sold on one opinion or the other.
muted thorn
i do it mostly to ensure my dance macabre in dance is used properly.
withotu battle shout
101.5k with battle shout
but didn't have soo
lets check a 4 minute sim. since it's a 4:05 fight
this doesn't seem right. shadow blades in log shows at 1:30
and 2:55
oh nvm stalleto stacatto lol
frigid cradle
well shadowblades is getting rng'd ye
muted thorn
to used to not having that talented
frigid cradle
uh oh
is this the classic
didnt pot my poisons on meme
put*
not that much dmg but still funny
muted thorn
were they off? possible lol
frigid cradle
well it says instant did no dmg on log
muted thorn
they very much were off
frigid cradle
well thats a bit of dmg there xd
muted thorn
same with missing a beacon. which can be a lot. . . 600k-1.2m
frigid cradle
yeah i mean, both ur beacons didnt crit
no poison
you seem to have a pretty good idea about the rotation
and the rules
muted thorn
which log you looking at? the magmorax?
frigid cradle
so your not doing anything majorly wrong
yeah magmorax
is that the one u were off more on
or no
muted thorn
i completely didn't use a beacon
if you look it was used once. not twice
i knew that the moment i looked at logs
frigid cradle
it says 2 casts on magmorax
muted thorn
wait no it says 2 casts
oh i'm looking at average per cast. saw 600k thought i missed 1
muted thorn
1 of those critting is 2.5k dps there.
sim assumes 1 crit 1 non crit. so 2.5k loss on that alone
the poison while missed is very small. 1.1% of total. so not even 1k
muted thorn
so 3.1k. is about 93k vs 99. still noticeable
frigid cradle
so that can be an issue with optimizing your combo points or something
muted thorn
the 4 minute one? lets see
frigid cradle
yeah it has 10 sectechs
u did 9
your kill died during your 10th dance
so you were almost there
were you away from the boss at all?
you should have 100% uptime on heroic mag
muted thorn
not for very long. very brief moments when dropping puddles
you know where in logs weapon master is? for gloomblade
frigid cradle
i think you can do hits - casts
muted thorn
a few small things here and there seem lower overall
flag is down 800. lacking instant. no crits on beacon.
frigid cradle
to get the #
you cast it 94 but it hit 106
so 12 weaponmaster procs
seems biggest discrepency is your gloomblade damage
muted thorn
those toether should be 2.7m. in the fight itself it was 2.23. so about 500k loss there. 600k loss beacon not critting. 270k loss from poison.
gloomblade and beacon alone make up close to 5k dps. add in poisons and that's about 6k. which is the majority of the difference ya
frigid cradle
yeah im not too sure why your gloomblade is so much lower, crit % seems good, i would ask fuu
muted thorn
secret tech actually is more than what i sim
frigid cradle
your not too many casts behind
muted thorn
i have an idea
i sometiems tend to spread my gloomblades out after dance windows slightly when low on teas, or parts of a fight where i know a disengage is happening soon
frigid cradle
potted at end of fight in opener, thats a bit of dpsbut doesnt matter as much as sub
muted thorn
so not taking full advantage of the gloomblade buff maybe
frigid cradle
yeah you want to spam as much gloomblades as possible after dance
and be oom right at the end of your non dance window
muted thorn
that's a good portion of it there. don't hold back the gloomblades early
theris another big difference that looks to be the rest of it
look at evis damage
i did 4.75m with 57 casts. sim has 5.35m with 56 casts.
but idk what's causing that. . . the only thing that comes to mind is forcing an evis at low cp going into a dance macabre dance window
also wasting some combo points on refreshing rupture/symbols from time to time. but not more by a large margin on over pandemic
that's 11% off of what evis should be doing. . . but i've got no idea what the cause for that is.. . . except not enough under flaggelation or something?. or forcing an evis going into a dance window?
muted thorn
over the course of 57 casts that should average out. wouldn't expect the difference to be taht large
that*
so far the main takeaways to focus on are
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don't use energy slowly after a dance. dump it all into gloomblades asap. use gloomblades more in general (sim shows 105, i used 94. that's probably most the difference)
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pray to rngesus that beacon crits. and remember poisons
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think about evis usage later. . if the evis's are overall lower by 11% and i also used 11% less gloomblades. i'm not fully using my energy outside dance windows properly.
so pay more attention to my energy usage. I already avoid using tea unless my energy is very very low.
i cast rupture 9 times. sim says 7. . . that's cp missing from evis (yet i had 1 more evis. so i'm not using them with high enough cp).
which is coming back to forcing one before a dance window
frigid cradle
yea i think that sums it up
muted thorn
i think theirs more. sec gonna type up what i think the full issue is. . . i may have found it
well . . . several its
not in order of importance
- poison not applied
- no beacon crit
- refreshing rupture/slice n dice early. added up to 3 casts lost across a fight
- forcing evis going into a shadow dance
- not using gloomblade shortly after dance for buff, and to use all energy
- potion on pull during the highest damage window
Overall. the not using gloomblades fast means I go into some dance windows with enough energy that the forced symbols may overcap losing casts of gloomblade across a fight. Which also means I don't get stronger evis's going into those windows. So more casts of evis for less damage, and loss of casts on gloomblade all from the same error. Putting more cp into finishers like rupture/slice n dice only exacerbates this issue. which TLDR is just wasted combo points/energy that could be avoided (i'm guessing).
This only further makes usage of flaggelation and it's mastery bonus worse, since that amplifies the evis's already used which several are weaker baseline.
that's . . . what i see at least. . . idk if i'll be able to fully fix it. since part of it is how i've been playing it for awhile so it's muscle memory at this point.
sound right?
frigid cradle
sounds right
muted thorn
well i have a very direct thing to work on . . . I'd much rather not still be parsing 60% lol. . . still beter than 2 weeks back when it was like 15%
but gear was a big factor in that. . and thistle tea
frigid cradle
yeah i mean rogue is a bit gear dependant imo right now especially with trinkets
bomb will be a huge buff to your dmg
frigid cradle
do you have any haste on your build
frigid cradle
yeah with the boots though it cancels it out so seems stats ar e good
yeah just need to upgrade your gear sockets bomb trinket and you will be chilling
sub is very uptime reliant so you just need to be making sure ur makign the best use of your globals
muted thorn
bomb is big enough for 2 of us wwe still clear normal bomb boy
i even do lfr. . . since it's still better than my 444 m+ trinket
kind of sad. a 444 is weaker than an lfr trinket. and that's the best trinket for me out of m+
for ST at least
even with trinket. i still need to upgrade my gear across the board and make a 447 dager
so many rogues doing 120k on magmorax even in similar ilvl. and i don't even sim over 100k in simlar gear
ty again
frigid cradle
np
radiant chasm
for the opener, this is rly bad practice
basically, you did rupture and dance at the same time nearly
using shadow dance this fast, impacts how much room you have to use abilities
in this case, i am fairly certain the last ability in the sequence is not in shadow dance
so you already lost damage just by doing this
beacon is used off gcd usually to not lose 2 gcds
you did delay dance, it was up earlier here
not sure if this was a mistake
there was a rly long downtime
vanish should be cast during dance
