#kiisara - Log Review
gleaming nexus
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If you check this here, I have filtered to only show your casts during Shadow Dance.
One improvement you can work on is to always get 8 abilities casted in the SD window. You're currently getting 7 a lot of the time.
fading orbit
before raid it was like 57k parse. so not a huge difference
neat valve
Seems to me the most impactfull thing on ur dam is your gear
visual linden
There's a bit to work on alongside of getting gear
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Can u manage to get a weapon crafted? it would be a huge improvement to begin with
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If you check this here, I have filtered to only show your casts during Shadow Da...
yes very important
fading orbit
not a fan of having a gray parse even for ilvl :(.
i'll work more on getting the dances
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just started remembering to not dance > shadowstrike instantly and wasting the cp from it
visual linden
- Single Target (for energy)
-- When on low energy
-- If close to or at 3 stacks -> during Shadow Dance - Multi Target / Aoe (for the mastery buff):
-- Always during Shadow Dance
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mh?
visual linden
So basically. If you're at max charges. Then use tea in dance.
If you're not at max charges. Then only use tea when you're low on energy
As in <30 energy
So you get the full energy benefit of tea. Even if you're outside of dance
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aah, i was using it more for trying to get it for 2-3 finishers
visual linden
In your log, you use tea 3 times in a row
Tea gives you 100 energy, this is the largest damage gain from it if you manage to use those 100 energy.
Tea also gives you some mastery for 6 seconds. This is the secondary part of tea.
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so focus less on the mastery and more purely for energy
symbols just on cd right? i dont 'have 2 piece yet
evoker getting it first
visual linden
Correct, for now it's just on CD
When you get 2p. It's basically "On CD unless you're going to shadow dance very soon, then use it after dance"
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do i need to put gloomblade on my bar somewhere else? to use it in dance or no?
for danse macabre? atm i'm not using it at all in dance
it becomes my shadowstrike inside stealth bar (dance)
visual linden
That is a very minor optimization. Won't do a lot for you
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feels a bit akward. since i'll need to find a new hotkey for shadowstrike
neat valve
To get an easy danse macabre stack
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or need 2 hotkeys for gloomblade
neat valve
That is a very minor optimization. Won't do a lot for you
i would disagree, 6% easy dam buff when u get a bit used to it
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so get fundamentals down before doing the min/maxy aspects like gloomblade
neat valve
I have 1hotkey reserved to GB in my dance bar personaly, but yes where Ros is right is if it is too complicated to include it in ur danse rotation u shouldn't make it a big deal
visual linden
If you're not able to get 8 gcd's into dance currently. Then adding complexity there isn't what we'll focus on
neat valve
tea managment is way more important as he said for example
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so get fundamentals down before doing the min/maxy aspects like gloomblade
yes that's the spirit
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so 8 globals in dance. and tea for energy as the predominant focus atm
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but i'm sure with a big more gear u'll see ur meters going top
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i'm less worried about the meters with the group i'm in. (well slightly). . . than having a gray parse, and gray for ilvl even
grey*
i'm aware that not having last tier set, grieftorch etc. has a sizeable impact. . . . but even with that consideration grey is . . . oof
visual linden
I feel that you have a bit too much delay between each ability you use. How do you feel when you're playing?
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pretty comfortably. . . a few times I have intentionally delayed to go into dance with 3 cp and enough energy. since it was only 2 seconds off. and I didn't want to waste the cp from entering dance. and having enough energy to just keep going
i may need to move where my dance key is. i am almost pressing it like it's a global and not ogcd
which is where that 8th gcd miss is likely coming from
neat valve
Do u use macros ? for dance phases, Secret tech or else?
visual linden
I think you could also do a macro for Cold Blood + Secret Technique
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i do have the cold blood secret tech macro already
visual linden
There should be one in the #subtlety-faq
neat valve
nice
visual linden
Oh, alright.
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the main macro i use is more due to my lack of how fast i press ogcd's in a 1 second window. and that's a cutscequence macro for my opener
castsequence*
visual linden
I would discourage using cast sequence macros. Very inflexible
neat valve
hm i'm not really fan about it
visual linden
But also, your opener is fine
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i know for certainty i couldn't use the opener properly with tea timing etc. without it. too many off globals between globals. while also dealing with bos mechanics. . . it's my way of handling that
i only use it for the opener
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But you have some things, like this:
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otherwise i have symbols and shadow blades
that thistle tea is after my cutscequence macro
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Where it's 1,5s between your evis and shadowstrike
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my first vanish > shadowstrike is the end of my open macro
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Yeah, but you see the delay here
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that thistle tea and such there. was all manual
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Mm
Well, for starters, that tea shouldn't be there
But you have half a second between pressing vanish and shadowstrike f.ex
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ya. i was doing it for the mastery since i planned on having 2-3 finishers in it's range. my tea usage needs modified for energy
neat valve
Think he is right, your bindings should allow u to cast more and quicker
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my transition out of the opener doesn't feel bad. . . it's usually my ransition out of it. and placement of my slice n dice or rupture out of it that feels odd. . . i tend to run out of energy shortly after (tea timing)
even if i modified the bindigns . . . i can't move my fingers fast enough to hit the .5 second timing for it or less
visual linden
That's fine
visual linden
You're meant to run out of energy at points in the fight as well
But you'll mitigate that some
fading orbit
is it proper or inproper to hold for a couple seconds before dance?
i try to enter dance just after a gloomblade around 2-3 cp
to the point i even use a 4 point finisher just to gloomblade into the dance. so i'm not just wasting the combo poitns from talents
visual linden
Without 2p, you can pool a little before if you're low on energy
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not often but sometimes it gets that way
visual linden
Optimally, your usage would look like this
With the first dance talent
Finisher
Shadow Dance+Gloomblade
Evis
Shadow Strike with Premed up
SecTech
Shadow Strike until 6+ CP
Finisher
Shadow Strike until 6+ CP
Finisher
Depending on WM procs etc how many strikes it takes
If you opt out of using gloomblade, then you'd do as you said.
~3 cp -> SD -> Evis -> Strike -> Sectech etc etc
You never want to use SnD or rupture in your dance on st
But yeah. TL;DR
Make sure to get 8 abilities in your SD window.
Relearn Tea usage
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so. don't use a finisher at 4 cp after shadowstrike? only with 6+ (or 5?)
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yeah
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i may actually macro dance + gloomblade . . . . if it won't cause too many issues
may make a separate key just for that and keep normal dance as well
do you finish > gloomblade > dance frequently or just early on?
good to know. i've been using evis at 4-5. . . frequently shadowstrike > evis > shadowstrike > evis
5 always. 4 if dance is about to end and i want to get it under dance
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Sorry, had to talk to a coworker
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so atm we have
- get 8 globals under dance
- thistle tea for energy usage mostly. under dance if possible (so i don't need to go into dance pooled on energy if tea is available)
- only do an evis at 6+ cp.
additionally try to get gloomblade under dance if i can. it's a good gcd to follow shadowdance, since it doesn't get the pre-med boost like shadowstrike does
visual linden
Yeah so it wastes less CP with the first dance
neat valve
i may actually macro dance + gloomblade . . . . if it won't cause too many issue...
you can go for it, but you need to be carefull with not pressing the GB if u find yourself already at max cmb with the first dance
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instead of pooling energy and going into dance at 2-3 like i have been. gloomblade > dance. . . swap it around to dance > gloomblade
neat valve
when you train it a bit u'll be able to adapt to how much cmb point you have when entering danse
fading orbit
what i would do is always use a finisher beforehand. just as muscle memory for now. if i macro'd the 2 together
so it'd be a for now, finish > dance > gloomblade > fnish > shadowstrike > finish > shadowstrike > shadowstrike > finish . . .. . roughly
visual linden
Also, if you want to be assured some. A really big reason why you're parsing grey on ilvl. Is contributed from you not having the old tier set.
While others on that ilvl likely had it
fading orbit
ya that part i knew already. plus none of the stuff like eranog ring, embelishments and so on.
i know i won't parse high for my ilvl. but 20% or so feels low even for that
visual linden
I don't disagree there. But I have no experience of how people gear and play
Another note, have you read the #subtlety-faq ?
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i'd say most people who played last tier would at least have an lfr set. if they played the entire tier
visual linden
Yeah, very likely
Also, a lot of the power per itemlevel for rogues comes from mainhand dps
And your worst item level is in your main hand
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i read some but not all. . . i tend to improve better by gettign the basics down. and then adjusting after that
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my main hand was fixed this raid. but they wanted my sim from the fight
visual linden
Ok
fading orbit
i swapped back to the old dagger just to get a more accurate sim for the log
visual linden
Are you new as a rogue btw? Or returning or so?
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semi-returning. but i played mostly sin before. . . shadowlands, bfa, etc. . . my sub rogue has usually been limited to rbg play. rarely anything else
visual linden
Aight, then there's also a bit that will come naturally when you start getting more used to things. Currently we're often GCD capped in large periods of the fight. So losing a second here and there because trying to remember a keybind or having to think about taking a decision will be a bit of a loss
Overall, your play looks pretty decent
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ya i choose that log since it was mostly a stationary one. . . some of the others didn't have the best rng on running out or handling mechanics. . that one I didn't need to deal with too many
it's just as much remembering too . . . . i sometimes forget when shadowblades is up. I don't go into my flaggelation very well i don't think
it also got drifted a little bit too probably
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ya. . . but some of my later flaggelations outside a dance window or near it, frequently get barely into the 20's and nowhere near the 30 like the opener
i think one of them that raid ended up at like 17 even. which . . . isn't good
but that's something i can work on later. having the core rotation down is more important
i can add in cd's at any point
if sub is mostly gcd capped. .. and i'm nowhere near gcd capped with how i'm playing it right now. theirs a lot of baseline work first
i could be wrong though
visual linden
Moving tea towards when you're low on energy with help with that some
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on the importance of flaggelation
2 piece will also help a lot with that once i get it. . a lot more symbols
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eventually you run out of tea charges ofc. But until then you're pretty much gcd capped. Esp with BL
Yeah
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and the 4 second extension on rupture
which will likely help my finality ruptures going into the later dances. . . right now i'm not even paying attention to when i am or am not in a finality rupture
visual linden
Playing around finality is less than a 0.5% dps increase
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so extremely minor
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And when you get 2p you won't even run finality
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even for eviscerate?. . . swaping over to rotten i'm guessing?
for it's interaction with symbols
if it interacts with those symbols
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so just high symbols uptime and more crit rate
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should i ever hold flag for a dance window or no?
visual linden
Just use flag on CD when you have enough CP to finish right after
No, simulations shows the highest gain is just use flag on cd with high cp
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k
and symbols on cd ofc. unless it won't pandemic/be wasted?
right now my symbols falls out of dance . . . . all the time
visual linden
Correct
fading orbit
unless a mechanic forces downtime
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That's "right"
Yeah. Don't let mechanics cut your cd's short
Here's the flag stacks that the sim gets
So 30 always on first, almost 30 on second, since you still have tea charges. Then around 20ish after
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one fight my cd's get fck'd right now is echo of neltharion. . . . dance comes off cd almost the same time the boss does his big . . . gtfo AoE
visual linden
Well, if you use dance then. Then next dance will come up at the same time. If you hold dance once then it'll always be ready after
(You can also use cloak on one of those AoE's and push a full dance)
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sadly i always hold till after the AoE . . . but it also comes off cd the same time next time. right before AoE. despite the forced hold
visual linden
ah. In that case, see how it feels if you cloak the first one. If things line up better
You have to feel your way through timings during progress
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for now i save that for when healers run into issues as a defensive.
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the one fight i use it for dance uptime . . . is forgotten experiments first AoE
sicne i can't use it freely later, or it messes up dispels
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i already do
it's . . . a highly used skill
i need it on some fights just to offset the AoE intake at my ilvl to make the damage intake manageable
visual linden
As long as you don't use it unnecessary, then that's good
I have to get to lunch now. But I think you have listed some good takeaways.
Otherwise, work on getting comfortable and maybe see over keybinds to be more comfortable.
Check the #subtlety-faq it has a lot of good information.
Then just get some gear, get some practice on the bosses. Try running some m+ keys with guildies perhaps focusing on learning.
If things still look as grim in a few weeks. You can ask someone to check on your logs again
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will do. have a fair bit to work on for now.
i'll also smack a dummy some for a little muscle memory
visual linden
And! Have fun! Most important part
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ty again