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spark stumpBOT Apr 20, 2023, 1:36 PM

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severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:36 PM

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Hello guys,
I am a new fellow rogue player, since my guild asked me to reroll and also I love being up for new challenges and love the idea behind the rogue class.
My character is 5 days old and I went in for some mythic rekills (5 kills: eranog until kurog).
Since it is Not a Long time until the new raid i wanted to ask if you guys would be able to Point out my rotational or gameplay mistakes. Thank you so much in advance

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RhH73C8WaLDPT6v2#type=damage-done&fight=34

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:37 PM

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ok so, 1st very small thing i noticed when i opened your log

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it's VERY small

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but if you delay your first tea by 1 gcd, the mastery buff will affect 1 additional evis

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but also, it's very likely that a strike after sectech would put you on 5 or more CP

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which means you should have used evis after 1 strike, not 2

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which would also make your current tea usage fine 😄

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:38 PM

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you macroed tea to dance

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:38 PM

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also, i see that you have tea and dance macroed

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:38 PM

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^ this is the corretc tea use

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:38 PM

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which is not the play in single target 😄

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^

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:40 PM

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2nd symbols

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Ok so best thing is to actually Keybind the tea and activate it only on low Energy or before capping charges

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:40 PM

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3rd symbols

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there is one minute between the casts

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the cooldown is 30 secs

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:41 PM

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ye, try to use sod whenever it's available

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:41 PM

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This is all terros fight now right?

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:41 PM

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severe sphinx Ok so best thing is to actually Keybind the tea and activate it only on low Ener...

this is the way to play ye

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:41 PM

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you did delay dance here

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red is when you had dance again

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:41 PM

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Do I actually use sod without dance active as well ?

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:41 PM

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yes

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you sod whenever it's up (in current patch)

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Cause i feel like i wanna hold it for secret technique

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:42 PM

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next patch there might be changes because of tier set but that will be covered in the guide once it's out 😄

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:42 PM

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same here

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:42 PM

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severe sphinx Cause i feel like i wanna hold it for secret technique

it's not a very powerful CD and holding a very short CD makes you lose a lot of casts

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:42 PM

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basically by delaying dance by 5 secs you lose that 5 secs and the cdr you create from finishers used during it

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the log on average uses danc every ~30+ secs

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:43 PM

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Ok so time dance always to press it once off cd

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:43 PM

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usually should be ~25

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:43 PM

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severe sphinx Ok so time dance always to press it once off cd

exactly

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you should try to plan ahead for your dances

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so you start them at low CPs

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:44 PM

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you can delay it shortly if you need to finish

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but you shouldn't have it delayed by 5+ secs every time

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:44 PM

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but never delay for 5 sec, it should be a sec or 2 at most

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:44 PM

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also in both examples, it seemed you tried to set up

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instead of planing

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so you saw "dance is ready, X is not ready"

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in first picture it was rupture, 2nd one was snd

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and you delayed your dance up till after you managed to re-apply it

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:45 PM

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I feel like i should reapply rupture before dance

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So in dance i evis or use technique

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:46 PM

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yes

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:46 PM

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Is that wrong?

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:46 PM

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but that means your previous finisher should have been rupture

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:46 PM

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you can even play around finality

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:46 PM

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optimising around finality is something that comes with some experience

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but even playing without that optimisation, you should make sure that rupture is reapplied before dance comes off CD, not something you start thinking about after dance is off CD and you're looking if everything else is up to press it

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:47 PM

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When I listen to your advice for 5 days of gameplay I am not far off Right ? Of course there is optimization but i suppose i understood the basics?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:47 PM

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the log is fairly good played tbh, most logs i see make more mistakes

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:47 PM

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Honest opinion

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So the gray parse is actually coming a lot from my gear?

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:48 PM

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ye, you're fine for how short you've been playing

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separating your tea from dance is the biggest thing you should do tho

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and not holding symbols

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:48 PM

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a lot of mistakes are just because of either wrong assumptions/shortcuts (tea use)

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:49 PM

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Will do that immediately

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:49 PM

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or lack of practice with cooldown management

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to showcase what i mean

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this is 2 mins in the fight

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:49 PM

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either way, giving the guide another read is usually a good way to compare how you currently believe the spec should be played and how it's supposed to be played 😄

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:49 PM

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shadowblades has a 2 minute cooldown and is a "on cd" use

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but your shadowblades is used on 2 min 20

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:50 PM

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True! I even press it when shadow dance is on cd right ?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:50 PM

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it isn't too bad in this case because your killtime did not lose you casts

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near 5 minutes means you have a lot of room for mistake

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:51 PM

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severe sphinx True! I even press it when shadow dance is on cd right ?

yes, shb is a buff to your generators and a lot of its value comes from gloomblades buffed by lingering shadows

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:51 PM

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but things like this can lead to loses of casts

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Understood

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:51 PM

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e.g. if you killed it in 4:20

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it would be the diffrence between having 40 secs of shadow baldes and 20

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its only a small optimization

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:52 PM

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Ok … i did horrible on kurog

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Is it wrong that i use shuriken storm on 2 targets outside of dance

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Or do you only analyze the terros pull

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:53 PM

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thats correct

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:53 PM

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only analysed terros so far

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:53 PM

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I dont wanna bother you guys too much

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But it would help me so much to tear down the boss fights and tell me the mistakes

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So i could adapt for future situations

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:54 PM

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on 2 targets

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you should use gloomblade outside of dance until ~30 stacks of lingering shadows

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:54 PM

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ye, that opener wasn't great

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you should strike-storm-rupture-dance

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dance is also more dynamic without tfd

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:55 PM

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Without tfd

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I dance on full CP always?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:55 PM

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you would dance-finish (on 6+ cp)
dance-gb-finish(on 4-5)
dance-strike-finish on low cp

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:55 PM

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Or it doesnt matter

thick grail Apr 20, 2023, 1:55 PM

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you dance whenever it's up

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without tfd

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 1:56 PM

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Ok

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 1:57 PM

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you would also use tea mainly for energy on 2 and only in the aoe parts of the fights during dance (or when about to cap on charges)

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gloomblade in dance would also stay relevant

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and if you want to min/max output

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you can optimize DM stacks every time you have 2 targets

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the log had some bigger mistakes like this

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you rly want to use secret earlier in dance

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but in general, just to emphasize this, the boss isn't exactly the easiest to get good logs on

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also because groups who play for logs can allow their raiders to pad on adds or spawn adds you in typical strategies would not

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:00 PM

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Understood

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:03 PM

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but i think it is easier to let you ask questions, so if you have some just ask

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Ok so my general gameplay Gas a solid direction.
Technique should always be 2nd finisher in Dance.
I have to use dance Right off cd
Sod on cd
Seperate keybind for tea

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Has*

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Are my biggest mistakes currently?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:04 PM

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tea probably the biggest esp. on single target

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:04 PM

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Ok

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For example primal council fight

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Or General gameplay with shuriken storm

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M+ and all

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I feel weird playing with shuriken storm

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Any advice there ?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:06 PM

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what does weird mean

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the fight is fairly simple

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#1 stay in range of the 4

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#2 keep ruptue up on all 4, ideally position yourself so you only have 2 casts

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#3 dance sequence is always something like strike-bp-storm-secret-...

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:07 PM

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With this opener.
Everytime i press rupture i already lost a Use of the storm

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:08 PM

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#4 you can drop gloomblade on the fight and if you want play tornado

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you can apply rupture before going into your first dance on the fight

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the 4 targets are not gathered

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so 1-2 casts of rupture are fine

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:09 PM

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Ok

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Can you tell me the sequence with tornado ready into dance ?

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Not only opener But General?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:10 PM

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https://www.lorrgs.io/ is a good site

Lorrgs

A Website to compare top parses in World of Warcaft.

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if you want to see how most people open on the fight

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tornado is outside of the opener just a "on cd" use

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lines naturally up with symbols

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the one thing most ppl forget on the fight is that shadowstrike stays relevant to proc premed

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:11 PM

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Ok got it

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I thought tornado always with dance

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That might fix my problem

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On aoe i can use tea with dance tho right ?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:12 PM

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yes

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:12 PM

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Ok wow you guys are amazing

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You helped me out so much already

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Thank you so much

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:13 PM

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council is the one fight

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your macro with dance + tea works well on

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^^

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:14 PM

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So my gear was a big reason for my grey parses?

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Overall

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You would say ?

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:15 PM

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well

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you don't have eranog ring

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you only use one embellishment

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your trinkets are not the op ones

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and you make gameplay mistakes

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so its reasonable to not expect the best possible logs

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:17 PM

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Yes I 100% Unterstand.
I was just really scared That maybe my gameplay was very far off and That i do Core mistakes

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I didnt Expect purple parsing on a 5 day old char and class i never really touched before

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:18 PM

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you did a lot of things well that i see wrong a lot

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e.g. your dance sequence was good on terros, but you ended up delaying dance slightly

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tea is somehting that is almost always a beginners mistake

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:20 PM

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The lazyness is strong in the community

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:20 PM

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you had a high snd and rupture uptime

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i see a lot of ppl who have low uptime on either, having 80% or lower is not that unusual

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i think it most of the time comes down to what you played before

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e.g. someone who palyed a more cooldown based class like dh or warrior

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will have a more difficult time to maintian slice and dice or rupture

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:23 PM

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True

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:23 PM

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also depends on how much time people did put into reading up

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e.g. i hope that the faq is easy enough to understand, but i know there is always room to improve things ^^

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:24 PM

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You are awesome @raw cairn

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:25 PM

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raw cairn e.g. i hope that the faq is easy enough to understand, but i know there is alway...

Faq is awesome… my entire gameplay you analyzed Comes from there

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:25 PM

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oh nice

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:25 PM

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And i am not joking i started from scratch saturday night

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My rogue was level 60 until last saturday

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What you analyzed in my logs all comes from faq

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:26 PM

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most of the tings are in the faq ye

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some things like cooldown efficiency is just somethig that is universally

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it is just that subtlety punishes you for it more

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because of cdr components

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:27 PM

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True

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:28 PM

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one thing i didn't 100% look into is uptime

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what i mean is if you used your abilities if you could and stayed on the boss as much as possible

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also no deep dive into combo point efficiency, but the stats did look good in terms of wasted combo points

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neverless
viel glück in nächsten raid, und wenn du noch fragen hast einfach fragen ^^

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:37 PM

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Ach ge du bist deutscher

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😂😂

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Vielen Dank dir für alles

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:38 PM

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also deutscher lass ich mich nicht schimpfen, immer diese pifke ^^

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war nur spaß, bin österreicher also ja deutch ^^

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:40 PM

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Haha 😂

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Kurze Frage noch

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Was ist IS ?

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Sehe da nichts bei den abbreviations

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:41 PM

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wo ist das erwähnt

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:41 PM

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Nevermind

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Du meintest uptime generell auf den Bossen

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Hab nix gesagt

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😂

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Krass, wenn man bedenkt ich bin gerade am sub lernen

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Und es gibt einfach noch 2 weitere specs

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Wobei sub ja schon sehr stark im raid für 10.1 aussieht denke ich

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Kann aber natürlich sein, dass man outlaw spielt ( da habe ich halt noch überhaupt keine Ahnung 🤷‍♂️ )

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:43 PM

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alle 3 sind in etwa glaichauf

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bedeutet world first wird ggf assasination spielen

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Assa fühlt sich aber nicht so komplex an

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Vom faq zumindest

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:44 PM

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sub hat sehr viele kleine optimierungen ^^

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assassination had ein paar regeln

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aber alle 3 haven ein wenig spielraum sich zu verbessern

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ich persöhnlich mag sub am meisten ^^

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:45 PM

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Fühlt sich mega an

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Gerade die shadowstrike Animation

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😅

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:46 PM

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haha, jetzt müssen wir nur hoffen das es auch schaden macht ^^

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immo macht gloomblade mehr schaden als shadowstrike

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Das ist natürlich bitter 😅

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:48 PM

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sind die kinderkrankheiten vom neuen talent baum

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aber insgesammt ist das gameplay ganz gut

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 2:49 PM

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Finde DF bisher allgemein wirklich sehr gelungen

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Und mit dem Schurken kam jetzt nochmal ein frischer Wind dazu und ich hab auch richtig Bock drauf

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 2:50 PM

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nice, die anderen 2 specs haben auch ihren charm

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also am besten alle 3 ausprobieren

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assassiantion villeicht nicht so der banger in mythic+

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 5:31 PM

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eine kleine frage noch

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vanish in der aoe rota während dem dance

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im multitarget

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mit strike oder storm

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wegen premed

raw cairn Apr 20, 2023, 6:32 PM

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vanish nach secret im dance

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mit mehr targets ist es weniger relevant es im dance zu machen, geht dann nor mehr darum silent storm proc zu generieren

severe sphinx Apr 20, 2023, 6:33 PM

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ok verstehe

timber shale Apr 21, 2023, 1:05 AM

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Reading this was helpful for learning to read my own logs

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Then it turned german LMAO

raw cairn Apr 21, 2023, 6:02 AM

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haha, sry

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