Judith - Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

topaz mulchBOT Feb 9, 2023, 2:23 AM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 8:05 AM

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opener is mostly correct but 2 things

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you forgot to use tea in the opener

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you want to use tea during the first dance

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and you wasted a lot of combo points doing dance-strike

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you always play dance-gb-evi-strike-...

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and this is a repeating mistake

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you basically need to learn how to play dance

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dance-gb-evi-strike-(gb)-secret

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as you saw in your log

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your first tea use is at around 1 minute

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so you lost 1 charge of tea basically holding it for energy

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you however managed to do the sequence later in the fight

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i saw this multiple times

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i haven't looked at combo points

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but you are at at least 5 more likely 6 after the first strike

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so it seems unlikely that you multiple times need to use 2 strikes

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you used this vanish once outside of dance and followed up with a gb

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you lost a gcd here

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here too

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also you would usually not refresh slice and dice before using your premeditation proc

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so overall, a lot of small things to correct

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have fun and i hope this helps you out a bit

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:12 AM

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The shadow dance thing is probably because I use the macro but sometimes I use it a bit too soon for the GCD I suppose

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the double shadow strike I'm pretty sure I'm at 4 sometimes

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But yes sometimes I mess up

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Is that enough to loose me 10k dps ? Seems not that bad

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:18 AM

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i don't think any single mistake is 10k dps ^^

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:20 AM

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That's mostly why I asked for log review I was somewhat aware that mechanically I was messing up a bit

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:20 AM

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basically

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i should possibly state this somewhere

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but in general, any mistake you do will cost you dps

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but also if you compare to e.g. a sim, you also compare yourself against the median result of 1000ts of fights

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or to phrase it diffrent

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the sim did perform half of the time worse than the result it showed

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the sim now makes less mistakes

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has guaranteed all raid buffs

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uses the best possible flask/food/potion/rune

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:23 AM

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I simmed it with my current buff

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:23 AM

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it is just natural that you will not perform the exact same as your sim the majority of time

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my opinion on the topic is rather to try to find mistakes you can correct

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and improve over time

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than trying to set yourself a number as a "goal"

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:24 AM

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Yeah I'm kind of stuck on the dance thing

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:25 AM

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also one thing to keep in mind

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even the top logs make mistakes ^^

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:26 AM

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Well I used to perform within the 1% of my sim most of the time on my lock

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that's what I asked for help, 10k dps is more than 10% so it's quite a big gap

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Anyway thank you very much

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:28 AM

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if you want to perform up closer

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you rly need to do all optimizations the sim does too

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^^

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:29 AM

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Well that the thing

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:29 AM

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e.g. your 2nd rupure would not be after dance but before dance, during finality

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:29 AM

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There is a lot of thing I don't find

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:30 AM

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yes, and thats fine

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this is also why there is a optimization section in the faq

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to have options to find information on what you can do to further improve

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:30 AM

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Yeah I read it but seems quite lackluster

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:31 AM

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also, keep in mind

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the warlock apl is not known to be the best optimized

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if you remove most optimizations from the sub apl or have a worse developed one

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you would also likely end up way closer to your sim

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:32 AM

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I'm talking about legion and stuff :p

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everything seems messier this days

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:33 AM

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i started doing TC in legion ^^

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and spend a insane amount of time optimizing f.ex. dfa back then

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:33 AM

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Like, are we supposed to use a low cp if it's enough to refresh the dance to 0

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:34 AM

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we are not

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using low cp finisher is not efficient enough anymore

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:34 AM

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and are we supposed to watch out for swing timer to not overcap CP

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:35 AM

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this is one thing that you would do if you play ER

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but given that ER is 💩

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you don't rly consider the swing timer that much

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:35 AM

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Or wait for the swing if we're at 6

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:35 AM

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6?

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:35 AM

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6cp

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:35 AM

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oh

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:35 AM

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you wait to reach 7 then spend

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:36 AM

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that was a marginal win before

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:36 AM

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I only do that when I don't have tea

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:36 AM

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but you atm rly don't want to wait

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:36 AM

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Due to the dance buff

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?

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:37 AM

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due to a conceptual change i did to the rotation in Legion that still holds up

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basically if you played wod or early legion

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rogues always did pool by default

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so the rotation was designed to spend energy only if on high numbers

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so you don't waste energy, but always had it ready if you needed

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specs however evolve and we have ressource procs

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and your ressource in come in SL is even higher

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so having this approach is actually bad

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the reason is, every ability you use generates extra ressources

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e.g. for example gloomblade

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if you use it, you can proc/refresh Find weakness

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if it critical strikes it generates an additional combo point

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also your baseline energy regeneration is fairly hight and esp. during things like BL it is hard to get your energy down

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getting more combo points and hence more cdr ond ance

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and your combo point generation during dance is even more accellerated

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and feeds back to giving you more dance cdr....

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basically the concept evolved to only pool if you exclusively need it

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but try to else use abilities as much as possible

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this is also something people make a lot of mistakes with

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e.g. knowing you don't want to refresh rupture

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now you see "oh dance comes up in 2 secs"

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but you just finished

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so what people do is gloomblade multiple times

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and then delay dance

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but you could instead just gb-dance-finish-strike-(gb)-secret

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and refresh rupture earlier

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mistakes like this are human

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and e.g. one thing i see a lot in logs is delays of dance

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you use dance every around 25 secs

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so if you dance on 3 first

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you have people in logs dance 2nd time at 35 or even 40 secs in the fight

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so efficiency is a very important thing for the spec too

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it does not only matter that you do the correct cooldown order, but it also is important to use your cooldowns at the right time

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having CDR in the kit is punishing you for it if you don't

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(alright, i think i went a bit too in detail)

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:48 AM

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Yes I understand that

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Is just that the is probably a wiggle room when you don't have anything else to do

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I think I prefer the pooling gameplay than the full energy one xD

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:51 AM

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pooling is the easier concept

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because you wait more before using a spell

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and if you don't use one, you don't miss out on much

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but even with current energy gains, you won't pool much

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just simply because you get so much combo points and energy

thorn ravine Feb 9, 2023, 9:53 AM

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Yes I know I think I'm just tired of not being able to keep up with the spec :p

sharp bough Feb 9, 2023, 9:58 AM

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you did well

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