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final torrentBOT Jan 28, 2023, 2:51 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:52 PM

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hey, Ive had some help a couple of days ago, Ive practised now but my log still seems low for my gear - could some1 help me with this terros HC kill? 😮
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d8w3Np9HJg17rTtP#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=44

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:53 PM

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you can use torch off gcd, just after strike

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so you won't lose 2 gcds

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:53 PM

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oh okay didnt know that

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:54 PM

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it is off gcd

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so you can just press it nearly the same time

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:54 PM

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yes, will do

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:54 PM

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vanish, if you want to optimize it

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can be used in dance after secret

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:54 PM

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I want to optimize everything, please

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:54 PM

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instead of outside of dance

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:54 PM

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after ST vanish->SS->evisc?

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:55 PM

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secret here should be 2nd finisher not 3rd

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yes basically

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:55 PM

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ya ive felt that while playing, that error I was aware of

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:55 PM

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could send first 2 vanishes here

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or only one

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:56 PM

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ok !!

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:56 PM

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using it after secret is good

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:56 PM

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and forward from there: do I hold vanish for coming dances?

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:56 PM

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you would only use it during dance

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for dps

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:56 PM

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okok

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:56 PM

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however

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if you can get more uptime on a fight or cheese something

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you might want to use vanish-strike for that

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:57 PM

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ye sure

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:57 PM

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so always adopt to the fight

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:57 PM

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for positional or for vanishing boss mechanics

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:57 PM

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doing 2 sec more damage to a target

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is worth more than vanish in dance

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^^

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:57 PM

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can we talk about rupture

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i feel like my usage is bad

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:57 PM

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you tea use is incorrect

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:58 PM

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since i never know: do I hold dance for refreshing rupture, do i rupture early if my dance is coming up, what do I do haha

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:58 PM

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i am so free to copy, paste this from yesterday in the chat

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sure, lets go over rupture quick

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you basically just refresh it in pandemic

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else you can do this

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:59 PM

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oh so I always use tea in ST for energy regen, I thought I had to line it with dance

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:59 PM

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it seems like a common misconception

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 2:59 PM

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fossil heath

THIS is good info

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 2:59 PM

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somone asked in the channel yesterday

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hence i did explain it

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and then did show that the same information is in the faq ^^

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just in a visual simpler form

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:00 PM

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so if Im good on energy, do I use tea in dance in ST situations, or is it ONLY for energy regen?

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:00 PM

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you use it in the first dance

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because you will be on rly high energy and max stacks

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after that it depends

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you should usually be low enough to never get back to high stacks

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so your uses after the opener are almost always for energy

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and you want to get all the energy

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:01 PM

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ah okay it plays out by itself

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:01 PM

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and not waste it

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it feels quite good once you get used to it

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ofc it also speeds up the rotation

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if you play it slow, or have downtime on fights

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it is likely that you can cap

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in cases like this you likely will use it with dance more

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but terros is a patchwerk fight, so you usually won't

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:03 PM

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thats full self buffed with consums, I have alot of crafted items, all of them have crit/vers, should I change to crit/mastery?

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(reroller from outlaw, since the flow of the spec feels bad now imo)

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:04 PM

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btw. one thing that might be not be obviouse

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even tho this is the "rotation"

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if you end up on 5 cp after strike here

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you can gloomblade before secret too

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but it should happen very rarely

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(close to never)

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:05 PM

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oh okay, I want to use ST with 6-7 CP?

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:05 PM

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yes

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:06 PM

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in opener it should not be a concern I guess, since shadow blades are up

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out of shadow blades aswell at 6-7?

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:06 PM

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you should usually end up on 6

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because

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sht procs every ~2-2.5 secs

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so evi to secret should be enough to be on 6+

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also your strike can crit for an additional cp

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:07 PM

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okay but thats still good info if I dont get a secret technique procc

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:08 PM

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muted patio thats full self buffed with consums, I have alot of crafted items, all of them h...

you shouldn't concern yourself about stats much

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essentially if you get mastery/vers/crit it is good

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haste is not a very strong stat

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:09 PM

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yes, my only haste comes from CoS ring and some tierset pieces

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even the embellished helmet, i try to minimize that

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:09 PM

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only spec that in theory loves haste is assassination

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and even then its more like in line with the 3rd best

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critical strike is something all 3 like

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sub is vers/mastery

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so for subtlety you basically want to get to a high-ish crit

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and spread mastery/vers else

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:10 PM

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okay, but is there more? or will that bump my log from 91->99 if I play what u told me?

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thats literally the first time I struggled in wow with a class, sub rogue is a pain in the ass hahaha

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:11 PM

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you have at least 3 things you can work on

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but one thing you can do to improve your damage is

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:12 PM

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tea usage, opener with vanish, ST at 6+ CP, trinket in GCD, rupture if dance <10 sec CD and I have it enhanced

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:12 PM

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to loot the ring from eranog

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that does fire damage

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dracthyr_kek

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sry 4 things

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:12 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

Tenor

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:13 PM

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basically:

tea usage is a big one
vanish is a small 0.4-0.5% improvemet
rupture usage is a 0.5% improvement
torch off gcd use also another improvement

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:13 PM

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okok !!

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:13 PM

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learning subtelty is always a journey

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one step at the time

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:14 PM

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this spec is something else Ive gotta be honest

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one (shadow)step at the time?

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:14 PM

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heheh yes

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:14 PM

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thank you very much friend, I will try to improve on what u have told me

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:14 PM

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also, just ask your raiders to die more

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to get torch resets

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:14 PM

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HAHAH yes

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that was a log from a pug so Ive got alot of random deaths in this one aswell

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:15 PM

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its nice

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killtime might be a factor too

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:16 PM

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ya, but i figured even if its a pug with bad killtime I should at least get 95+

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with my gear

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:17 PM

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i think it is when tea fucks you a bit

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because longer fights you get energy starved a bit

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:17 PM

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okay makes sense

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I thought tea should be used in SD because of the mastery it brings, didnt even think about the energy regen and ignored it

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:18 PM

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i thought so too initially

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but then tested it in the simulation and was surprised that the value you get from energy is quite high

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:20 PM

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okay, I will try to improve on everything u have told me and go kill terros a few times now. I really really appreciate your time, thank you so much for your help

fossil heath Jan 28, 2023, 3:22 PM

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have fun, also don't put too much meaning in logs.
The top end already starts to implement all sort of stupid tricks to play the metric

muted patio Jan 28, 2023, 3:22 PM

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I have one more question tho for tea usage:
lets say ive used my tea in my first dance like the normal opener we do, ive used a second tea to not be energy staved, now I have for my 2nd dance a 3rd tea, do I always use it or do I only use it when Im starved on energy?

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