#wolfgank412 - Log Review

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versed sundialBOT
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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

velvet solstice
woeful cape
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which rogue are you

velvet solstice
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Syntblade

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Is mine

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This was My first raid on outlaw but I'm so damn disappointed in my performance

woeful cape
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heres one example of you using an unbuffed PS after BTE

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this is likely because BTE makes your PS glow with default ui even if you dont have opp stacks because of the greenskins buff

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also on terros alone i see 10 casts of SS when you could have cast ambush with audacity instead

velvet solstice
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I definitely did mistakes a lot in priority spells

woeful cape
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so the first thing i do in any log

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is go to damage done > change ability to SS > then click the audacity buff under source aura buffs

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you can then click events on the top right to see everytime you cast an SS when you could have ambushed

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its probably the most common mistake i see in most of these log reviews

velvet solstice
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When I could have ambushed with a proc ?

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Or is this when I could have used dance or vanish and etc to ambush

woeful cape
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no that would be when you have an audacity proc from PS that lets you ambush out of stealth

velvet solstice
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Yes so my mistake is that I'm missing out on those then a lot ?

woeful cape
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yea

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if you arent tracking it already get a WA to track audacity procs and you know you are basically always going to finish after PS cast

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so while i use that finisher i just look at where my audacity WA is to see if its up to ambush after the finisher

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ideally you dont want to cast PS or SS while you have audacity active

velvet solstice
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My ui is usually good but somewhere between. Using pistol shots and bte and ambushes

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I fuck up there

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Cause I get 6 stacks and then I'm like.. wait let me use one PS so its back to 3 stacks then I'm like. Wait I gotta use bte too

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Then I use bte and I follow with ps

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And then I ambush

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So very often my rotation becomes 6 stacks -》ps -》 bte -》ps -》 ambush

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How should I change it so it becomes more ?

woeful cape
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so with the HO build you should be spending PS when at 3 stacks if you dont already have audacity ready

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and regardless of stacks if you have audacity it is higher prio than PS

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so what you listed is fine, assuming the first PS doesnt give you an audacity proc

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but when you get into the flow and are getting procs its basically PS -> finisher -> ambush -> finisher->repeat

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with some occasional things thrown in if you dont get enough CP from your ambush cast to finish

velvet solstice
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So even if I am at 6 stacks and audacity proced ,I prio audacity and then the rest

velvet solstice
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So audacity is again always prio,even if I am losing on PS procs ?

woeful cape
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yea, but typically if you have audacity and 6 stacks up that means you messed up somewhere

velvet solstice
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I have that way too often !

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Like really often

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So I don't know what I'm messing up ,gotta go back to basics

woeful cape
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for HO build if you are at 5 or less CP and you dont have an audacity proc you use PS with opp stacks

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even if it overcaps you on CP

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so that could be part of the problem if you are holding PS in those situations

velvet solstice
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Wait really? I usually use it always to fill cp and use finisher ,I don't dump them

woeful cape
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its only if you dont meet the finisher rule and dont have audacity ready

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but yea it feels weird wasting CP like that even if its optimal

velvet solstice
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Oh man

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Could you check my log for raza

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I think that's the best I could go with in rotation wise

velvet solstice
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And in between all that I most likely use a lot of PS procs and audacity procs

woeful cape
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in an ideal world you would never cast SS

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but that obviously never actually happens

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basically your builder prio in general is ambush > PS with opp > SS if its your only option

velvet solstice
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Thats my problem I think ,I clog myself a lot with all the procs which I'm not able to use

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Smoothly

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I'll practice that

woeful cape
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yea theres a lot to react to

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and you gotta do things fast since uptime is so important for keeping our CDs rolling

velvet solstice
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Yes ,a lot of times actually I lost that uptime and I felt like a wet noodle

woeful cape
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yea feels really bad when you run out of stuff or like BF falls off and you didnt have the uptime to have the CD ready to keep it up

velvet solstice
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So PS procs and audacity main priority always

woeful cape
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yea ambush always number 1 prio builder if you can cast it

velvet solstice
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And how does bte play out in all of this

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Just throw it there and forget ?

woeful cape
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you use it on CD to proc the greenskins buff

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so technically if its back up and you havent cast a PS since the last one, you would wait

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but in practice that basically never happens

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unless you have the worst luck

velvet solstice
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Okay last question

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And this is probably cause I mess up anyway but

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Very often it happens to me I have 6 ps procs and audacity up

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So this is probably because I use SS way much ?

woeful cape
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most likely yea

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cause if you are at 3 stacks and have audacity up you will ambush, and either stay at 3 or go to 6

velvet solstice
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And this should never happen as you said

woeful cape
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3 stacks no audacity you would PS to get audacity

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so 6 stacks with audacity would typically mean you messed up somewhere and cast an extra SS

velvet solstice
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Yes that's what I do

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Okay good ! I'm actually happy now

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I know what I'm doing wrong

woeful cape
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unless im blanking on something im pretty sure with "optimal" play that shouldnt happen

velvet solstice
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Yeah nah way too often I'm overloaded with procs

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Which I can't smoothly

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Use

woeful cape
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actually yea cause you would need to be at 3 stacks with audacity and then cast SS to get to 6 stacks

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i would say just get into the habit of checking for audacity everytime you cast PS since you have that GCD and the one when you use a finisher to plan out your next builder

velvet solstice
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I'm definitely going to prioritise always the procs over SS

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I think it became a habit

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Idk weird

woeful cape
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yea, but now the whole build is basically around PS and ambush damage so making sure you get the most out of them is important

velvet solstice
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Is 3 stacks PS a lot more damage than SS

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Cause SS also has a lot of modifiers right

woeful cape
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yea quite a bit more damage usually

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since opp gives pistol shot a 120% dmg buff and the triple cast

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and then if you have greenskins up the first one hits even harder

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quick one use of each with no buffs on a target dummy

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ignore the instant poison being higher than sinister cause i was just sitting there aaing after for a bit lol

velvet solstice
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Damn

woeful cape
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one of the PS shots crit and neither hit of SS did but still its a big difference

velvet solstice
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So when you play I assume for you it's very rare that you get to to 6 stacks PS ?

woeful cape
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not necessarily

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6 stacks ps by itself isnt a bad thing

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its just if you hit that with audacity up thats indicative of a mistake

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during subterfuge/vanish/dance you can hit 6 stacks

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for example if you are at 3 stacks with no audacity and you have vanish ready

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you should vanish ambush and that might put you at 6 stacks

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assuming you arent ready to cast a finisher already*

velvet solstice
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Yeah and during subterfurge when you're spamming those ambushes and are at 6 stacks ps

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Which do you prio

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Again only ambush ?

woeful cape
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so you ambush until you hit 6 stacks, but you still use at 6 to avoid overcapping opp stacks

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during subt/dance

velvet solstice
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Okay yeah so I try to not overcap then

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So I have to use ps over ambush

woeful cape
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yea im not sure how big of a loss it is to just spam ambush through there but i trust the eggheads that came up with the apl and whatnot

velvet solstice
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Did you notice anything els with my logs ?

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Or is this the main big mistake

woeful cape
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thats definitely one

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just from other quick looking around it looks like on the terros kill you briefly dropped SnD and RTB buffs

velvet solstice
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Yes that happens too when I'm overloaded with procs

woeful cape
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ideally you want basically 100% uptime on both

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yea i sometimes find myself in a dungeon like 5 seconds into a pull being like shit i dont have RTB

velvet solstice
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I try to just get rid of all these procs that keep coming on me

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And I forgot slice

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Or dice

woeful cape
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yea even if you are fully loaded on procs as long as you arent in dance you can RTB without losing anything

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since ambush and SS are the only things that give opp

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and PS is the only thing that gives audacity

velvet solstice
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Okay good, well I'm excited now to keep practising

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It's good when someone can tell me my wrongs

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I literally can't find anyone

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To help me

woeful cape
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happy to help, its more interesting than actually doing what im supposed to be right now dracthyr_kek_animated

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however im not willing to give any recommendations or optimization for raid fights since im not mythic raiding this tier

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well at least currently, i might get sucked back in

velvet solstice
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It is ,if I ever get very good with rogue it will be very interesting for me to help new rogues cause it can help me maybe have some breakthroughs of my own

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My mythic plus actually sucks too..

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I have one log for it too if you have the time

woeful cape
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i can take a quick look but ill probably search through the same main things

velvet solstice
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Okay sec

velvet solstice
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There is even another outlaw to compare with

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I should probably be averaging a lot more.. as overall dps with my ilvl

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Maybe like 40k I'm expecting to be able to do overall

woeful cape
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in a key right now ill try to remember to take a look after

velvet solstice
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Yeah sure

velvet solstice
woeful cape
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yep

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thats the best thing about outlaw

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the only thing that changes in multi target is keep BF up 100% of the time

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well actually

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you also send blade rush on CD at like 9+ targets

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instead of using it for energy

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also if you can, try not to target swap until you have a BTE ready for the new target ideally

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but sometimes you gotta switch asap and lose out on some crit

velvet solstice
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Idk if its bad or good,but it helps me