Stonie - Log Review | Ravenholdt | Page 1

dense crystalBOT Dec 25, 2022, 1:36 PM

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Please post the link from WCL in this channels for others to see.

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:37 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/11850024#difficulty=3

Only really cleared normal yet, switching to HC this week. Looking for some pointers on where I can improve

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:39 PM

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quick looking at eranog as it is a fairly simple fight

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rupture uptime could be higher

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slice and dice uptime seems fine

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just to mention that, your gear is not exactly the best

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you did however craft some pieces what is rly good

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i assume this was with adds

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:43 PM

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Working on the gear for sure, haven't been as lucky with the drops so far maybe

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:43 PM

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you probably could have storm-bp.storm-(storm)-secret there

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depends on how many adds you had in range

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:44 PM

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Yeah I storm once there is more than 1 enemy

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:44 PM

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you did delay your abilities ere

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i am not even sure the initial gb was correct given that you used gb before dance

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:45 PM

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shadow apex depends on how many adds you had in range

I could probably bp, i don't remeber if there were more than 2 targets in range, i try to bp over ss when it's >2

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:45 PM

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if you are on 4 or 5 after dance, you would gb

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else you just evi-strike-(gb)-secret

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you lost a gcd in this dance

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rupture in dance isn't rly good

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also if playing with the first dance you rly don't want to strike first gcd

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:47 PM

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shadow apex if you are on 4 or 5 after dance, you would gb

How do you mean 4 or 5 after dance? I usually try to get danse stacks with gb, since the danse before doesn't give the stack. Or do you mean it's better to not overcap than to get the extra stack?

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:48 PM

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also one thing i noticed throughout the log, you did use tea always in dance, when the tea usage is a bit more complex

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combo points

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basically the reason you use gloomblade after dance is the first dance

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you get 4 combo points the second you use dance

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:48 PM

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shadow apex rupture in dance isn't rly good

This i remember, i fucked the timing and and forgot to refresh rupture before dance. I guess i should've just waited until dance ended

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:48 PM

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you usually start on low combo points

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so e.g. if you start on 1 cp

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you use dance-- you are on 5

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gloomblade brings you on 6-7

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if you would use shadow strike here

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you would be on 5+3(strike) +2(premediation) = 10 cp

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so already at minimum 3 cp lost

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this is why we use gloomblade

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if you reach 6 cp with dance, you would just finish

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and then strike

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if you end up on 4-5 cp you would gb after that

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before you use secret

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:50 PM

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Aaaaah, so it's nothing to do with dance stacks? I totally misinterpreted that then

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:50 PM

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stacks are a nice bonus

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this is why you are allowed to use gb also a bit later

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like in the example

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but once you got your stacks up, using gb is not very good anymore

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premeditation is the main reason to use it

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2ndary would be stacks

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and if you have neither of the benefits, opting to shadowstrike becomes better

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also to mention it, if you think you are able to skip shadow step

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putting that point in improved shuriken storm is great

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it would allow you to use storm instead of GB at the very start of dance

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storm has all the same benefits

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but also due to silent storm guarantees find weakness

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it is a very small min/max case so it is optional

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but it is nice if you want to have a mroe consistent damage output

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:54 PM

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Hmm I'll have to look into that, although I do use shadowstep a lot, esp to get back on target after an aoe avoid or such.

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:54 PM

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you have one shadow step from the general tree

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and you got 2 charges of vanish

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but it will come down to encounter

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:55 PM

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Ah you mean the 2nd charge, yeah that makes sense

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 1:55 PM

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shadow step is f.ex. fairly valuable on the last boss

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because the fight has a lot of mobility

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 1:57 PM

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I think i also gotta put together a singledance tree with black powder but not shiruken tornado for fights like eranog

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On the tea I gotta work a bit too i guess, I tought the best value was in dance but usually there is enough energy during it anway. I'll try to use it more often if i'm energy starved

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I do have a question about rupture and shadow blades:

In the opener, is it worth it to refresh rupture early before shadowblades runs out (as in the last 1s of sb), or is it better just to refresh it once it runs out even withougt sb?

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Ofc not overwriting the sb buffed one early if the latter

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:00 PM

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you can refresh rupture before 2nd dance

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you should have finality up still

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finality:rupture also allows a small optimization to refresh it earlier

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so there is more room to refresh it

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 2:02 PM

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I see

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Thanks for all the inputs!

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:03 PM

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no problem, and if you have questions just ask

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auch frohe weihnachte, hoffe du hattest ein angenehmes fest 😉

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 2:20 PM

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Haha danke, wünsch ich dir auch 😄 Immernoch im gange 😉

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Werd ich machen 🙂

stable spear Dec 25, 2022, 2:27 PM

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is it bad to macro shadow dance + symbols on M+?

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:27 PM

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kind of

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you often desync the two

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so it is better to have separate binds

stable spear Dec 25, 2022, 2:29 PM

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i don't get it right (sorry), what's wrong with using the 2 cds since they both increase damage and that would be good for AoE?

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:30 PM

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nothing wrong

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but dance has a lower cooldown while symbols cooldown is static

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esp. with more than 1 target

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just one example

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on pure single target you will use dance averagely every 25 seconds

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this means, assuming you use dance on cd that you have dance (0) - dance (25) - danc (50) ...

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if you macro symbols to dance

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you would use

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symbols(0) - symbols(50)

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basically means your 2nd symbols is delayed by 20 seconds

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the cooldown of symbols is 30 seconds, i think it might be quite obvious why delaying a cooldown for 2/3 of its duration is not good

stable spear Dec 25, 2022, 2:34 PM

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okay, now i get it, thank you so much :]

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:34 PM

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no problem and if you have other questions, just ask

stable spear Dec 25, 2022, 2:36 PM

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just another one!!
(aoe situation)
is it okay to use symbols+dance+shadow
cast tornado -> CB ST -> BP -> BP -> BP?

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:55 PM

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okay compared to what

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 2:55 PM

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shadow apex this means, assuming you use dance on cd that you have dance (0) - dance (25) - ...

So holding dance for 5s to use with symbols is not the way to do it? Cause that's what I've been doing usually. Going by the faq it does meantion using symbols and dance together when speccing Danse

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:55 PM

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the best use is tornado into dance

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so tornado-(short before first tick)-dance

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:56 PM

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graceful quarry So holding dance for 5s to use with symbols is not the way to do it? Cause that'...

no, you usually desync esp. on lower target counts

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 2:57 PM

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Desync as in symbols when dance is on CD and vice versa?

shadow apex Dec 25, 2022, 2:57 PM

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yes

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just use both on cd

graceful quarry Dec 25, 2022, 2:57 PM

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Gotcha

graceful quarry Dec 26, 2022, 6:22 PM

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shadow apex premeditation is the main reason to use it

I've been rereading your points, could you elaborate on this one? Premeditation is for ss right, why do you say here that it would be the main reason to use gb? As in, what is the interaction there? Or did i misunderstand that

shadow apex Dec 26, 2022, 6:24 PM

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the first dance gives you 4 combo points

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so if you start your dance on 0 or 1 you are on 5

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if you now strike

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you get 3 from strike and 2 from premeditation

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so you would be on 10 cp

graceful quarry Dec 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Yeah this part I get

shadow apex Dec 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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but you have a cp max of 7

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so you would lose 3 cp

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if you gloomblade, you can finish after gb

graceful quarry Dec 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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but the quote I linked you seem to talk about using GB over strike there

shadow apex Dec 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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and then use strike with premediation to get all combo points

graceful quarry Dec 26, 2022, 6:25 PM

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Ah

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I think it clicked 🙂 danke dir 😄

shadow apex Dec 26, 2022, 6:26 PM

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basically you use gb or storm earlier to not use the buff

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an then consume it after using a finishing move

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gloomblade also does similar damage to shadow strike

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so you don't lose out on damage

graceful quarry Dec 26, 2022, 6:30 PM

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Gotcha, gonna focus on that in todays raid and see how it goes!

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