kjelt log analysis | Ravenholdt | Page 1

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:46 PM

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moment

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is that a tooltip bug or is your crafted weapon without secondary stats

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 3:48 PM

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that must be a bug

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opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:48 PM

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okay fair

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one thing that is very noticable is your rupture uptime is rly low

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basically you always want to keep it up

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if it helps you, use a weakaura for it

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 3:49 PM

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noted

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:49 PM

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same with slice and dice

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not sure if you manually refreshed it, but it does seem like you did just let it run out

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 3:50 PM

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hmm

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this is in my other attempts of another boss

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but ill note them both

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:53 PM

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another thing, when looking at your tea usage, i am not sure it is in line with that

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 3:53 PM

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this is one that i kinda know im doign wrong

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when i dance/sectec and i have tea up i somehow made a habbit of using tea as well

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:54 PM

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i am also not sure why your enegry stays this high

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need to see in your ability breakdown

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this one is funny

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you seem to be new to the spec, so expected

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but you did seemingly search your key

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for tea

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and just waited

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lost you a global there

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the same dance

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i assume multiple enemies are up at this point

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 3:56 PM

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im new to the pve side for sure, did some pvp last season but i play mostly feral

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:56 PM

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i think the mistake is fairly obviouse

timber tartan Dec 22, 2022, 3:56 PM

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You also seem to not make use of DM very well in your dance window

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:57 PM

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if you use storm on 3+ targets

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you should finish a lot more

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having 4 storms in a row means you did some mistakes

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for cooldown management, symbols is a "on cooldown" use

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this is how long you delayed your symbols cast

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 3:58 PM

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when i started i had it bound to gloomblade / SS but i got rid of it

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i guess i should add it again

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 3:59 PM

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Yeah, fuu covered most of it. In addition to not using consumables and missing most enchants, you need to practice basic rotation/priority stuff. Also, is your uptime correct on this log? On the Eranog kill, you were actively DPS'ing for 88.4% of the fight, whereas your higher DPSers were doing so for 98/99%+? Were you disconnecting from the boss or not hitting something for large chunks of time?

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 3:59 PM

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your 3rd dance is at the 1 minute mark, the average dance is every around 25 seconds and you start with one dance

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 3:59 PM

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timber tartan You also seem to not make use of DM very well in your dance window

i think my opener is becoming better but during regular dances i feel a bit lost

timber tartan Dec 22, 2022, 3:59 PM

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You should normall just go Dance > Gloomblade > Evis > Strike > CB > ST

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 3:59 PM

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You and the other rogue, Layzor, were the only ones with sub-90% uptime on the Eranog fight. What was going on there?

timber tartan Dec 22, 2022, 4:00 PM

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You're missing the gloomblade and missing some extra dmg there

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Yeha during min 1-2 your uptime is like gone for some reason

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 4:00 PM

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silver gorge Yeah, fuu covered most of it. In addition to not using consumables and missing m...

yeah i did those bosses for the first time with a quick tldr on mythictrap so there is a lot of random downtime as well

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:00 PM

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Ok, but what was the downtime for? Like what was going on?

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 4:01 PM

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tbh i cant really remember

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 4:01 PM

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this ance, you did use cb + secret outside of dance

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you rly want to use it during dance

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also

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silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:01 PM

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Ok. Next time you're in there, you need to be actively monitoring what's going on if you're disconnecting from the boss/anything for more than 10% of a fight's duration. That's a huge contributor to your DPS loss.

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 4:02 PM

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this 3 builder sequcne can't be good, strike generates 3 cp, so you should end up on enough cp with gb without a need of a storm

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:02 PM

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Like literally try to take note of when it happens, jot down something after the fight (or if you die). Not sticking on a boss is very, very bad for any melee spec, and especially sub (even more so if you're disconnecting during a shadow dance window).

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 4:03 PM

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as a general rule, don't stress yourself and take one step after the other

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 4:04 PM

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To quickly summarise I should work on:

Rupture uptime
Slice and dice uptime
Tea usage
Dance rotation
Connecting to the target
Consumables / enchants etc

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 4:06 PM

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try to keep rupture/snd up close to 100% (snd often is passively refreshed, so that shouldn't be too hard)
try to start by using your cooldowns as soon as possible (symbols/dance)
-- after that and getting a bit used to the rotation, it will be so that you notice when you probably need to delay your cooldowns by a small point
try to hit all 8 gcds in dance reliably
-- if that works, try to use the DM sequence more
Tea use is complicated and additional effort, i would focus on it if the rest works

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very important

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just take one step at the time, you will get higher output for everything you increase in gameplay

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:06 PM

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And use some cheap enchants and phials/weapon stones. That's all passive and takes no brainpower. The first 4 you mentioned are all rotation/priority practice, and you can at least start by spending some time on a dummy just hitting it and checking your uptime on things like SnD + rupture after a few minutes (log it with something like Details). You can add tea usage later when you feel more comfortable actually keeping good uptime on your critical buff/DOT, and doing the "right thing" consistently during a shadow dance window.

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Staying connected to the target is super critical for melee, but it's the one that's most fight dependent. If you don't have much raiding experience, or challenging PvE experience in general, then that you just need to learn by doing.

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 4:07 PM

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Thanks a lot guys this is much appreciated

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I've noted everything and I'll start working on these points you've listed

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Is it possible in Discord to save this convo somehow?

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:08 PM

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I'd just copy and paste it into a notepad or doc.

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 4:10 PM

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the thread will stay open for 3 days

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after that it will be achived automatically, but can stil be viewed and opened up by posting in it

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so nothing is lost ^^

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 4:11 PM

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Awesome!

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 4:13 PM

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timber tartan You should normall just go Dance > Gloomblade > Evis > Strike > CB > ST

This Shadowstrike doesnt give me 7CP, do I use SS again till max or send a lower cp cb st?

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:14 PM

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Wait, are you trying to finish every single time at 7CP?

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 4:14 PM

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yes

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shouldnt i?

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:15 PM

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Ooh. Uh, don't. From fuu's FAQ:

Finishing moves are used to consume combo points when reaching six or more (five or more duringShadow Dance).

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 4:15 PM

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you can use storm/gb to get to 6-7

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but

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mostly if you can also build a DM stack

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e.g. if you do

silver gorge Dec 22, 2022, 4:16 PM

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If I understood what Kjelt might have been doing, he was using CP builders even at 6CP to hit 7CP?

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 4:16 PM

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dance(1)-gb(2)-evi(3)-strike(4)-secret(5)-strike

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and end up on 4 or 5 cp

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you just finish after it

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and don't gb to 6-7

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even better

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would be if you vanish-strike there

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because you get 2 more cp from premeditaiton

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 5:07 PM

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oh i was not aware i was making such a huge mistake haha

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 5:10 PM

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its not a big mistake

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as mentioned, the goal is to improve not to be perfect

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so every mistake is something you can improve on

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 5:31 PM

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hitting sectec here seems odd though

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 5:45 PM

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do you run without premeditation

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because 3 cp is baseline from strike

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and 2 from premeditation

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 5:46 PM

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nope, this is the only time it happened during my practice now

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 5:46 PM

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so you should need to be at least on 5

bleak rampart Dec 22, 2022, 5:46 PM

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perhaps a bug occured or something

opal sorrel Dec 22, 2022, 5:46 PM

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could be that premed bugged out

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