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long widget Dec 22, 2022, 3:12 AM

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dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 3:13 AM

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I'm massively underperforming. Guidance would be helpful - I'm struggling hard and afraid I'm going to fail my trial

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:44 PM

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biggest red flag I see is you have 37 ambush casts total and over 60 audacity procs

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you should have more ambush procs then you have audacity procs. the fact that this is reversed is a huge issue

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you have almost 90 SS casts, the point of HO is trying to avoid casting SS as much as possible its an extremely weak builder

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literal last resort, you have no procs (opp or audacity) and no ways to get more procs (shadow dance, vanish)

dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 1:48 PM

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That... makes a lot of sense. I'm mostly SSing, which is a massive hit to my damage.

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:48 PM

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the way HO plays is using everything possible to minimize SS procs

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ur goal is to be looping ambush > finisher > PS > finisher > ambush on end

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its tough for me to see ur dance/vanish usage because buff page is so small on mobile

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but dances look like they are almost on cd? which is not what you do with HO

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dance is a tool to be used when you run completely out of procs

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vanish is the same but you can vanish slightly more frequently (you can vanish with 3 FtH stacks, no audacity)

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so looking at my normal grimtotem kill, which was 20s shorter

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i had 15 SS casts total

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over the entire fight

dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 1:51 PM

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jeez, okay, shit that's a massive different

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:51 PM

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almost my lowest damage source

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looks like ur BF uptime on adds was fine

dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 1:52 PM

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Honestly, I think I may just swap out of Outlaw. I was performing better on Assassination. I swapped because Outlaw is better for keys, but I clearly don't understand Outlaw at this point

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:53 PM

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ur also running ST HO build on a cleave fight

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recommended is the cleave talents so that would inc ur dps

dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 1:53 PM

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What you're saying makes total sense, but I have a fundamental misunderstanding of the spec. I'm still playing it like it's SL

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:54 PM

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if you want to play it like its SL, you can try KiR

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the builds are as strong or stronger then HO builds

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and play extremely similar to shadowlands outlaw

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HO is the new flavor with a newer rotation

dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 1:55 PM

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Hmm, so is that not played around procs and ambush and more about just building with SS?

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:55 PM

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its basically just shadowlands outlaw, but a bit faster and with the new shiny KiR

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everything else about how it plays (except for the addition of FtH of course which isnt hard to pick up) is nearly the same

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id give it a try if you dont want to practice more with HO to pick up a whole new flow

dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 1:58 PM

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If I wanted to take KiR and make it slightly more cleave friendly, what would I change talent wise?

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:58 PM

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the m+ builds are just "cleave" builds

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you drop the weakest ST talents to pick up BF target cap and Bf damage under target cap

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thats basically the only diff between ST and "aoe" builds for outlaw

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the faq has them

dense coyote Dec 22, 2022, 1:58 PM

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hmm,interesting

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So you'd run more of a m+ build on like half of the fights, then?

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Since a lot of fights are cleave?

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 1:59 PM

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i ran the m+ build on every fight except terros

arctic cradle Dec 22, 2022, 2:02 PM

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So... Do I need to use ambush more often and not a shot?

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 2:04 PM

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I have no idea what you need to do

arctic cradle Dec 22, 2022, 2:04 PM

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ambush is used from the exit from the inviz + after the dance + during the proke. And if both the shot and ambush succeed, should I use ambush? Is he a priority ?

waxen heath Dec 22, 2022, 2:04 PM

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you should never be in a situation where u are capped on PS procs and have an ambush proc

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