#owenYG Log
deft nebula
yeah ofc no worries mate
also, when I ask people to review logs, I generally try and pick logs where I think I played well, as opposed to picking a log where I already know it was a fucked pull or key
cause when I tihnk I played well and someone points out a buncha mistakes I tend to find that more helpful
spare plume
Yes I think that's good
deft nebula
also here's a pantheon pull from yesterday as well in case it's easier/better to have a raid log or just for comparison
spare plume
I think the best and easiest thing to look at is m+ vods
Can find a lot in very little time
deft nebula
okay, I'll try and get a vod this weekend, just work most the week and don't have anything setup to capture in-game footgae
but that's well worth doing over the weekend
twitch vod okay?
deft nebula
alright well that was easier than anticipated - got my twitch going. Have to go back to work in like 10 minutes but this is just me at a dummy - i can get a vod of an actual raid boss // M+ key later if that's more helpful https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1646302666 - you can skip to 0:50 thats where I start hitting the dummy
deft nebula
so I have a vod of a junkyard I did today, just a 15 - you want like a clip of part of it or the whole thing
spare plume
Whole jk would be great I will be able to take a look tonight
spare plume
alright, so there is a lot of things wrong already in the first minute
- you should ar > rtb in stealth, this is for 2 reasons, ar will gives you loaded dice so you can start the pull with 2 rolls instead of one, and you can then ambush out of stealth to proc cto
- you want to flag at max cp to have the maximum amount of stacks you can have, you used flag at 5 cp and finished here
- you want to use vanish as soon as possible to start getting cdr on it, delaying it just to get snd up faster isnt good
- try to not let bf fall off even for 1 gcd
- dont let any procs get to waste, here you wasted one opp proc and one gsw proc (I assume you did not want to use opp proc in db cause you only had 3 stacks, but you still want to use them if they are about to expire)
- you always are finishing early when you dont have to, you only finish early if you have BS or if you have 6 stacks of fth
- never hold cds, even if the pack is about to die, our cds are like 30s cd or something and you can always chain into the next pack with your current buffs
- dont press bte if you already have a gsw buff up
- same as snd dont delay vanish just to use bte sooner
you are doing pretty well otherwise tho
mostly nitpicking
deft nebula
how does stealth work in terms of getting pulled out, dont think it happened here (maybe it did) but often ill be in stealth going to a pull and waiting for a moment to ar/rtb and then ill get pulled out randomly before I feel like ive hit anything - can the tank pulling bring me out of stealth?
spare plume
idk its just blizzard thingss
sometimes there is mobs that pulls you out of stealth for no reason
in mist just the mobs spawning in the maze pulled you out
deft nebula
got it okay, maybe i can just do my pre pull stuff a bit sooner to try and avoid this but mostly just lose out on ambush
deft nebula
this junk was super annoying it was a random pug obv but the tank was pulling like 2 mobs at a time constantly
spare plume
so cant get aggro and you help tank generating agro sooner
deft nebula
really wanted to pull more
spare plume
yeah saw it haha
like you see in a real key the moment on the second pack or something
when you waited like 30s with all cds up
in a real key I wouldve used without thinking one second about it at the end of the pakc, cause tank wouldve chained anyway
but its true that he kinda stayed afk for 5 sec there lol
deft nebula
i didn't realzie that if opp procs are about to expire i should use them regardless of what stacks are at in db but maks total sense just didn't really think about it
oh yeah in real keys im usually more aggressive but i started to get really frustrated with the pulls and just didn't know where we were going or what we were pulling
and it feels fucking aweful to pop everything including fusion on like 3 mobs
spare plume
well you are playing outlaw there tho
its not like using cds on 3 mobs or 15s is gonna make much of a difference
and you will have cds up for both anyway ^^
deft nebula
yeah that's true - fusion doesn't flurry i assume, i actually wasn't sure
like there's no benefit to using fusion on 10 mobs vs. 3?
spare plume
no trinket flurry yea
deft nebula
okay that's fair - so since you watched, there's a couple times where ya know there's maybe one mob left that were kliling for a bit right beofre we go into another pull - should I pop ar / flag / db on that one mob?
usually that wouldn't happen in a key with a group that wants to go fast
spare plume
if the mob would last at least the stacking duration of flag I would always send
cause that mean flag is like 30s cd anyway
deft nebula
okay, so maybe hold ar/db but use flag on that one mob and then ar/db at start of next pull
spare plume
oh no
deft nebula
cause i think ar/db/flag in a 15 on one mob is just gonna insta pop that mob, no?
spare plume
if you can send flag you definitly send everything
deft nebula
got got
spare plume
but as I said, at least have the mob last full duration of flag stacking
deft nebula
makes sense
that's def one thing that i know i do a lot - I hold ar/flag/db at end of pulls if i know a decent pull is next
and i get dry
spare plume
yeah but the thing is, flag is like 30s cd if you stack the whole thing
so its like
do you really wanna hold a 30s cd?
deft nebula
no makes sense
deft nebula
ill try being more aggressive and see how it feels im sure ill realize how much more i can get out of my cdss that way
yeah it wont be up on pull but it'll be up like middle of pack and stuff will prob still be alive so ya
in most cases i wont lose a cast if i think about it
spare plume
well doing that you gain a lot of casts if you look at entire dungeons
its a mistake that a lot of outlaw players do tbf
but getting more cd is almost always better than getting less but better cd
if that even happen at all anyway
deft nebula
so like at 3:32 - i should pop ar in this situation
when we're cleaning up this first pull
like 3 mobs low health but prob will last at least 10s
spare plume
would have definitly used there yea
also in a real key tank would hvae chained at least when the mobs were dead
so you werent losing flag buff anyway
and like juste take a look at the pull just after
at ur flag cd after you stacked it
you finish stacking you have flag in like 10s
deft nebula
yeah its actually insane
spare plume
db is ready in 2 finisher or something
deft nebula
i gotta make better use of cdr right now
deft nebula
dude i yoinked that shock bot so hard from the tank though in the cave he was 100% going for it
grappling hook ftw
spare plume
these kind of things get better and better has you go up in key
spare plume
grappling hook ftw
