The best solo rogue spot imo is azshara flight points
#classic-discussion
glass timber
Itβs a bunch of solo players or small groups running to get Mc water or farm herbs
No guards on the flight master
hidden basin
What do you farm there? First time I hear of this.
glass timber
You farm solo players by the handful all day
Naaaaa gold farm for me is mining I need 69 more arcane crystals for tf
Lol
hidden basin
I'll start farming honor now when I'm done with gold. Cant PvP with a 60% mount looking like a bum.
glass timber
Yeah for sure
glass timber
Mining is the way with how many people spam nades now
plucky nymph
Yeah and it's only going to get worse.
rugged copper
Hi I have a question on what hit % I get from precision+expertise as a combat swords rogue
shadow tapir
with 305 weapon skill you only need 6% hit to cap against bosses
Precision is 5% of that
Hit is still good after cap
rugged copper
I have precision at 5 ranks is that 5% hit? And after that how much does the 5 weep skill give hit% wise
I'm a 57 and often out dog 60s in dungeons. Per fight and then in overall
I'm still getting turned down a lot for DM and strat school
rugged copper
But if I get in I out dumb them all except for small portions of a ton of non elite mobs
Out dps not dumb hah
I get that. Just been tough to find groups on pvp since horde is camped everywhere. Brs brd it's like 10 corpse runs to get in
People are on farm mode right now. I guess it will be better once bgs hit?
Btw thanks Tawney for answering
glass timber
yeah it will get better with bg's
less focus on wpvp since you can queue for bg's in major cities and afk till it pops
but you still willl have people who will be roaming while waiting for queue since that only takes one person to do it
spark raptor
Rankers need to farm gold too. Ranking in bgs is more expensive than in the open world
Except youre facing pugs all the time
past arrow
... if i swap MH and OH weapons with WW totem effect does the OH keep the enchant for 10 seconds?
π
that cant possibly work can it?
plucky nymph
@past arrow The WF buff is removed when you remove the weapon from your MH.
trail jasper
How are mouseover macros for blinding, sapping etc without losing combo points? Does it work and if not, is there a solution around it? Sucks to lose a bunch of points because I need to blind someone
bleak hill
Whats the 6pieces of SC the ppl tend to go with?
id assume replace chest of cadaverous and keep 2 piece devilsaur set?
drowsy phoenix
I've seen people with T2 head/legs and the other 6 pieces SC
shadow tapir
SC 6 pc + Devilsaur or Cad/Truestrike + SC 6 pc usually
but yeah with T1/T2 it changes
cedar jewel
T2 head/legs with sc 6set was bis before they did some testing for the proc chance on 6set
Itβs one of the best combos with 6set
plucky nymph
@bleak hill If we're not taking into account Tier 1/2 then it's;
6pc Shadowcraft + Truestrike Shoulders + Cadaverous Chest
or
6pc Shadowcraft + Devilsaur Hands + Devilsaur Pants
bleak hill
@plucky nymph is the top option better than the bottom option?
i have both those sets, which one would be the better one to go with
and last question to go with those, so basically T0 chest piece in the SC set sucks?
cedar jewel
I would go with truestrike and cad over devilsaur
Its not that the sc chest is complete trash, is more of a cad chest being way better
bleak hill
ok so i set up the 6pc SC set, is everything I have equiped here "Full prebis" or am i missing anything?
bleak hill
yeah and ok i have 2nd tring, so its better to have the 2 trings over 1 tring and 1 pw?
shadow tapir
ya
bleak hill
ok word swapped that. other than that its full prebis?
shadow tapir
Pretty much yep
bleak hill
wasnt sure if using Riphook over the satyrs would be better?
shadow tapir
I dont believe so but cant say for certain. Spreadsheet would confirm
bleak hill
gotcha ok what spreadsheet?
bleak hill
ty appreciated!~!
plucky nymph
Every blue bow @ 60 is basically tied.
glass timber
No thorium arrows smh
shadow tapir
At what point does NS overtake SC usually?
plucky nymph
With Devilsaur it's pretty fast, since fights can and will be super short (~1min) and procs are super random.
plucky nymph
NS Gloves + T2 Legs > Devilsaur
You can beat SC 6pc with just, pieces really;
Given the helmet isn't just "pieces", but yeah.
This effectively ties 6pT0.
shadow tapir
Sure, im basically sitting on NS legs helm and boots
Not spending for Devilsaur at this point
But opens up TS shoulders and waht not
plucky nymph
I got it for like, 80g >_>
plucky nymph
π
plucky nymph
ye
signal ember
Eye dropped
We just need one more binding and we can get both server first legendaries on the server
plucky nymph
OH poison btw
signal ember
We killed it like 10 mins before it worn off
bleak hill
Damn lucky. We been rummingfor 10 weeks . 0 bindings...>.<
bleak hill
is there a way to mouse over pick lock the boxes in my bag? so annoying having to keep clickin picklock icon on my side bar before every box
earnest cipher
Just keybind it
Move it to 1 when u PL a lot of stuff then move it back
Is what I do
bleak hill
So i won a Felstrike finally off of rend. Whats a good main hand to pair it with, i have a shadowfoot stabber and barmans shank and the silence dagger tht gives +5 dag bonus. any ideas?
plucky nymph
Felstrike+DD
timid quest
is there a reason to use mainhand sword offhand dagger for PvE or PvP?
And if so.. how do you skill talents?
if anyone has an answer please @timid quest me
plucky nymph
@timid quest The only reason to use a Dagger in the OH if you are Sword Spec. is if you have extremely poor options for the OH piece, or if you are leveling as Specializations don't matter much during that time.
plucky nymph
At level cap you have enough options for swords that you should never OH anything other than a sword at the moment.
Whether you use the earlier quest swords, or Mirah's Song (Scholo quest 1-hander) or a Dimension Sword of the Monkey/Tiger.
bleak hill
@plucky nymph Whats DD mean for the OH wep to go with felstriker?
bleak hill
ahhhhhh ok ty i appreciate the tip!
would that be my best choice for out of raid daggers, obv i assume gutgore ripper, perds, and the core hound tooth would all be my next upgrade
plucky nymph
Outside of raids yes, as you don't have access to Aged Core Leather Gloves, Core Hound Tooth, etc.
bleak hill
once i get aged core leather gloves, i assume its prolly better to get something that doesnt off the +5 dag so u dont go over 310?
plucky nymph
The SIMs show that the +Daggers is still very good but the hit gains are so low that I don't see it. If you've nothing better than sure use DD OH with ACLG.
We've just got very few options atm.
ACLG are used into and through Naxx loot progression.
For reference, 308 to 315 weapon skill nets you .7% hit, which 1% crit beats pretty much always.
Bloodmoon 1.9 Sword Spec #'s
-
Current (T1/T2 Mix) - 505 00
6pcT0+DSFullSet - 497 45
6pcT0+TSS+CADChest - 496 97
Whats an ACLG?
plucky nymph
Aged Core Leather Gloves
bleak hill
ahhh okay gotcha
plucky nymph
bleak hill
yeah i know the pair ur talking about, not good with abreviations
plucky nymph
Long one too.
bleak hill
Current (T1/T2 Mix) - 505 00
6pcT0+DSFullSet - 497 45
6pcT0+TSS+CADChest - 496 97
whats does the last 2 numbers mean? i assume the first 2 are there dps projections?
bleak hill
ohhh ok gotcha/ so Devilsaur pair with 6 piece is better than tss + cadd. marginally but slightly better?
plucky nymph
Less than 1dps, effectively tied.
bleak hill
gotcha ok
plucky nymph
Do note that this is incorrect for Phase 2 Raid BiS -
Source: https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/rogue-dps-gear-bis-classic-wow
DM Bracers are still better
Don't waste your time or money ever getting the Tier1 Bracers.
timid quest
@plucky nymph I have the gloves and the rag dagger
but also brutality blade
Now thinking what to use which works good for PvP and PvE
plucky nymph
Combat Daggers is better damage than Swords for this tier (for PVE), both are entirely acceptable and going one or the other will not damage your raid in any way.
Best off picking one or the other depending on what you like and going for that if you are in a guild that would like the decision made ahead of time.
timid quest
And PvP wise?
plucky nymph
Considering the mess I have seen in Badlands, it's a crapshoot.
As I've killed people inside Cheap Shot + Kidney Shot with Tea as PVE and PVP Sword Specs, and they have done the same as the dagger specs.
Things will change once people have PVP gear and way more health though.
bleak hill
if you had the del rend pair for sword spec, and FS with DD for dagger spec.......which would u be going? is so hard to tell damage against certain gear sets without the punching bags that were in BC lolol
u seem pretty damn knowledgable so curious as to what ud go with in that choice
plucky nymph
Go whichever you like, IMO, it really just doesn't matter, and won't.
The only thing that really matters at the moment is not putting up DoTs at all as a Rogue.
bleak hill
u think the 2 weps will do exact same dps as each other in there respectful specs?
plucky nymph
No but I know that the DPS doesn't matter.
bleak hill
im a damage whore so i like big numbers xD
plucky nymph
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
bleak hill
so i know sword rogue is like SS>1pt snd> SS > like 2-4 pt evis? repeat etc
is daggers same rotation just with Backstab instead of SS?
plucky nymph
Yeah you basically never EVIS. as daggers unless the fights are loooooooooooooong.
or very short.
and you don't need to refresh SnD.
bleak hill
so u just spam backstab and never use SnD or evis?
plucky nymph
No you need SnD still.
vocal hornet
100% snd uptime inc.
bleak hill
how come i dont need to refresh it once i put it up once?
plucky nymph
The boss is dead.
bleak hill
rofllll
plucky nymph
and there is no reason to.
bleak hill
gotcha ok
shadow tapir
You do, hes saying becasue backstab costs so much energy that youre probably never going to get to Eviscerate
All those CP go into SnD
bleak hill
gotcha so backstab > 1 pt SnD> backstab > 5 pt SnD > and usually boss dies or hit evis if i have any pts to spare
bleak hill
ok
shadow tapir
And if you cap CP you can just wait for SnD to run low from upwards of 8 seconds
shadow tapir
If you have the CP and SnD isnt running out then yes Evis
bleak hill
15-31-5......is tht the go to combat daggers build?
plucky nymph
Sounds right enough.
bleak hill
plucky nymph
The extra points in Lethality are not worth it.
nor are the points in Murder as you don't get the bonus too often.
bleak hill
so ud take those 7 points out and put them elsewhere
plucky nymph
Honestly it might be worth it considering you might use very few finishers.
You either do the above or;
Take 2 from Murder and 2 from Lethality and put them into Ruthlessness and Relentless.
Ruth and Relentless lose point value if you do not find yourself using Finishers "enough".
bleak hill
SnD is considered a finishing move still right?
bleak hill
gotcha ok/ the way u break it down makes a helluva lot of sense, much appreciated for the time u guys are giving me. its helping alot over here
plucky nymph
NP
bleak hill
why would i want 2 points in improved sinister strike for a dagger build.....instead of putting 2 points in improved gouge?
shadow tapir
Sometimes you have to SS
But I always do Imp SS and gouge
Do have to pvp sometimes even in raid spec
bleak hill
as well i almost feel like the 2 extra points into lightnight reflex for 5/5 would be better than the 2 points in Endurance...
shadow tapir
oh no endurance is very nice
hazy dune
i have vis'kag mh, mirah's song oh, it's not worth replacing mirah's song with corehound tooth as sword spec, is it?
drowsy phoenix
it's worth giving the CHT to a dagger rogue
hushed laurel
(or a tank with ACLGs :P)
bleak hill
hmmm im almost thinking double del rends is a better set than Felstriker + Distracting Daggers, after switching to Combat daggers and trying them out. They only major difference is I have double crusader enchant on dels and i dont have any enchants on felstrike or Distracting dagger........but i wonder if crusader would account for 50+ DPS missing...
hazy dune
all our dagger rogues have CHT, i got it because im the top rogue for ranking @drowsy phoenix
drowsy phoenix
I mean just play daggers, evolve your mind
hazy dune
my only other dagger is gutgore ripper, no thanks
hazy dune
i don't wanna play daggers lmao. i was just asking if corehound tooth was worth equipping in my offhand over mirah's song
I'm doing fine as swords
drowsy phoenix
gutgore isnt bad in MH
drowsy phoenix
the real reason is it can hog a debuff slot but who cares about what your casters think
hazy dune
yeah the debuff slot is my concern.
shadow tapir
Its a weapon effect though, gets pushed off pretty easily
old stone
CHT was a decent upgrade over mirahs for me, I play a gnome, should still be a slight upgrade for a human
chrome sandal
what poisons should be used as sword spec the BRD solo farm?
bleak hill
Does gear prio change slightlightly when usin dagger combat compared to sword combat? i feel like maybe utilizing certain pieces like a riphook instead of satyrs bow, or like a Painweaver band in replace for one of the Trings. with full prebis 6pc t0 +2 piece devilsaur, i sit at 11% hit having the satyr and double trings on.
11% hit/26.6%crit chance/678 AP.........
with 1 PW band and the riphook it puts me at ......
9% hit/27% crit/698 AP......
plucky nymph
bahahaha
hazy dune
reset the market. ranking made me spend more gold than i wanted
hidden basin
why tf are mobs getting out of sap prematurely without me hitting them?!
plucky nymph
Because Sap isn't a set time.
tough pilot
Heartbeat mechanic
hidden basin
Oh it says up to 45 seconds...
So it can be up to 45 seconds, but it doesn't mean it has to go the full duration
So sometimes it's like 15 seconds?
The more you know
tough pilot
Yup it's just rng
wind lantern
Where is the lvling weapon MH list thing?
bleak hill
wth are other classes using to see me in stealth? im constantly being spotted and opened on while im in stealth. especially tryna get through brd
its like they beeline right for me especially the mages. I cant tell you how many times i get opened on a rogue, WHILE IM IN STEALTH, AND I NEVER EVEN SAW HIM UNTIL HE OPENED ON ME>......
not sure what they doing but i need to figure it out rofl
spark raptor
Catseye goggles or something
They give a ton of stealth detection
+maybe they use catseye elixir
bleak hill
@spark raptor tyy
vapid bone
finally can speak lol
ive also noticed that @bleak hill and while some people do run Catseye and Goggles, and im sure im feeling a personal bias but its like I may as not even be in stealth
Im using the Sap macro to get the opener, hasnt worked 1x, its like other rogues just walk up and sap me while in stealth and i rarely see them, very odd
tough pilot
Can only be a few things that's giving them edge. Engineer, human racial, talents, or just better at finding a stealthy than their opponent.
plucky nymph
@bleak hill Also if you don't have Master of Deception stealth is very very bad.
vapid bone
@tough pilot hell thats one thing that struck me as add, IM human and pop perception, and they STILL see me before I do
its like the models dont load fast enough for some, so odd to have an active perception and get cheap shot out of stealth by an orc rogue i never saw 2 feet from me
but people are running stealth boots and yes, have master of deception which I do not
fucking respec costs i cant really flop back and forth
tough pilot
Oh if you don't have master of deception that's the key to the puzzle right there
vapid bone
its bc im missing MoD, i just dont like to admit it
^^
cant be hemo bc of raids and both weapon sets are pissing me off lol
tough pilot
Yeah Respec costs eat you alive. I just pick pocket farm majority of my time lol
vapid bone
I have Thrash / Mirahs with Sader /Sader
and Perd / Bonescraper with +5 and +4
everyone says combat daggers are best since i have Rag Dag but im not seeing it so far
tough pilot
Hmm yeah you should def be doing a lot with perds as combat dagger. Maybe your rotation is smoother atm when you play swords vs daggers? Only thing I can think of.
plucky nymph
The DMG potential is higher in 1min fights but if you're not lucky then you're not lucky, most if not all assumptions on Combat Daggers vs. Swords are done with full world buffs as well.
Pick what you like, play that, there's no point getting bent out of shape over it.
tough pilot
The truth right there. A lot of it comes down to buffs and rng crits :0
plucky nymph
There are plenty of fights where I get a singular Crusader proc and I just stare at my hands... wondering where I went wrong... WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?!!?!
marsh wyvern
Ss right after MH swing and keep snd up 99.9% of the time and cross your butt cheeks
plucky nymph
Even then praying for SS procs when you SS 14 times is... stupid, IMO;
marsh wyvern
I found with sc 6p the more I kept snd goin the more procs I got of course xD
plucky nymph
The better the guild the worse 6pcT0 becomes, still fun in the dungeons though π
vapid bone
ya the daggers on paper seem better, real world exp is just not there
positional factors, threat factors due to the multiplier on ambush and backstab being so high
plucky nymph
another wasted HoR
vapid bone
so i end up having to wait longer then other specs to DPS, and depending on the boss or the position, sometimes you just cant backstab and you suffer huge dps losses, or you have to run out from AOE fire dmg, stuff like that.
Swords seem way easier since the threat mod is lower no position needed etc. Ill keep trying things but overall the respec costs stop that
im @ 50g cap now, so basically every respec is 100g that i dont have
plucky nymph
You still need to be behind the target as swords, if you're in front you might as well be relying on being lucky.
vapid bone
why would you say that
glancing blows?
if I can get Dalrend MH or Viskagg ill stay to swords bc its just fucking easier
if I can get the DM dagger or CHT or GGR then ill maybe maybe stay daggers, just harder to farm solo as daggers
plucky nymph
Rogue solo farming doesn't usually involve KILLING things though.
vapid bone
i like to double down myself, I just have a pickpocket into garrote macro, doesnt add much time in BRD and you do get some good drops, relative
few healing pots, 2-3 greens, random stuff to sell, the 12 min pickpocket runs get boring and you get locked out in like 1.5 hours, but thats just where i like to farm
I like to find a fast respawn of humanoids, pick, garrote macro so it takes a bit longer, no waitintg for respawn, no instance lockout if farming like SM or something, but then again im bad at farming and dont even have 100g to myname, nor a mount
been 60 loong time too lol
the shit never sells on AH, i have zero clue how some people have 1000's of gold
i know its nothing special but i like a clean UI, figured id post here, guild seemed to like it. I do have some WA stuff that is not seen
shadow tapir
Looks pretty good
Most people who make money play their professions in classic
A lot to make off of them unlike retail
vapid bone
im alch herb, which i always was in retial, but dang, not having epic mount and all the good spots are so so PVP covered
not to complain i just need to suck it up and rogue better
but nobody seems to be buying flasks or elixirs much, not really needed since DPS is so high nowaways vs 15 yrs ago
shadow tapir
Herbing itself doesnβt seem like it makes much anymore no
But Iβve bought mats and had someone make pots and stuff for a profit even with tip
So maybe look into that
bleak hill
need to figure out how to make 50 quick gold outside of BRD real quick. i fucked up my spec and i cant even down the bosses now >.<
i misclicking and didnt take the point in coldblood
drowsy phoenix
ah right fishing skill involves crit
so you can bump 4% crit with aquadynamic attractors or whatevs
hidden basin
@bleak hill 2 hours in Tyr's Hand might cut it.
Just PP and kill the elites there.
Do you guys think you can achieve rank 13 on a huge server with just semi-casual gameplay?
Or do you need to be extremely hardcore for months?
shadow tapir
Guess it depends on the population but I would say its unlikely
Have you been in the higher brackets the last two weeks?
maiden cave
@hidden basin that would not be easy dude, rank 13 is a real time commitment for the last 2-3 weeks at least
hidden basin
Guess we regular folk will need to wait for the big ballers to reach their ranks and stop playing ranked PvP in order for us to enter the brackets.
maiden cave
I mean, you may just want to aim for something a bit more...realistic
r12 is doable in many ways, but r13 is a step beyond that
hidden basin
Yeah. I was just wondering whether it's possible for later in the cycle.
If not then it's alright. I'm more of a PVE guy anyway and don't want to spend that much time grinding.
So will push as much as I can without that much pressure.
maiden cave
having a great premade is a big deal too, once BGs are out
it cuts down the time needed by a huge amount if you can chain out 100% wins
and really fast games
bleak hill
^this guy has no clue what hes talking about rofl. Hes one if the biggest shit talking bots I've met in game. Take anything this guy says with a grain of salt wether right or wrong cuz 99% of the time hes talking out his ass
@hidden basin only a certain amoumt of people can be in each rank, so it depends on population of server and how much someone is grinding. Casual players wont make it to 11+ because thats where all the elites are and the brackets will be filled. If you played hardcore youd have a shot but based off your described playstyle id cross it off now and just aim for r10
Thats alot more of a manageable goal
Ideally this is how rank system works in a short bio ....
(1) kill other faction player and win battleground to get honor points
(2) at the end of the week, there will be a ranking of the player in your faction based on who got the more honor points during that week
(3) the top 0.2% of the player will be in the first tier of reward and get 12'000 rank points (not to be confused with honor point) then the next tier (which is between 0.2 and 0.7%) will receive 11'000 rank points, then the next tier 10'000 rank points, etc
(5) to get to rank 14 you must get 60'000 rank points (rank 13 - 55'000, rank 12 - 50'000)
(6) each week you decay 20% of your current rank points
.....
So lets say yoy were rank 10 which is 40k ranking points, you can see the word "ranking" with amount next to it in your character page under honor tab. Every week youd decay 8k ranking points every week. So to maintain a rank 10, u would need to be in the top like 5-10% of the pvprs every week to stay at 40k or above.
Pvp is a serious grind, not just once you get a rank but just to keep it. Because the higher the rank, the more the decay, the better you gotta do every week to stabalize it. I usually peak at r8 and i float there
Heres an example i found that kinda breaks it down in a literal view
@@hidden basin is Β rank 5 because he has a total of 15'000 rank point at the beginning of the week. You play like a madman all week and get 16k honor. your next week you will have 15'000 (total before) - 3'000 (decay) + 13'000 (total of the week) so: 25'000 rank point and youd reach rank 7
Now the following week you do the same thing. Cap out your honor at 16k, get max bonus rankin points. Youd go to 33,000 ranking and be r8. 25k - 5k decay + 13k rankin from honor for the week.
So the next week u had to go on vacation or were sick or w.e. and couldnt play as much. You only got 4k honor, and only got like 3,000 ranking ( this is an estimate cuz rankin is awarded by what percentage of population you fell into with your honor. Its not based directly off the honor itself. ) you would have 33,000 ranking (week before) - 6,600 (decay) + 3,000 ranking. Your new total would be 29,400 ranking and youd be deranked to rank 7.
So just remember the higher the rank the more your gonna be required to play
And just cuz u reached a rank doesnt mean you get to keep the title. You gotta earn your place every single week. You stop playing and you just go back down the boards
Hope this helped you or anyone else a little confused about the exact way rankings for pvp work.
trail jasper
Anyone else having the issue that the Kidney Shot duration gets bugged out after using another ability during Kidney Shot? So I can't see when it ends... And is there a fix to this? I've tried disabling every single addon but WA, and tried disabling every single addon but ClassicAuraDurations and it's a problem both times
trail jasper
Yeah... That's a pretty good solution but it just annoys me because I see multiple streams where they don't have the issue so surely there must be a fix π
spark raptor
it's a WA? try up/downgrading maybe
trail jasper
It's not a/the WA - All other addons that track the time of it fails as well.. It seems to be an issue within the game
When I have all addons but ClassicAuraDurations disabled it also fucks it up.. π¦
spark raptor
Yah maybe just have 1 addon do it mate
glass timber
Sick write up on the honor system
Itβs a shame itβs broken π€£
Everyone losing/missing hk/honor
Mine havenβt rolled over from yesterday.
trail jasper
@spark raptor You're completely missing the point... Even when I have disabled all addons but 1 SINGLE addon to track enemy debuff timers - it still fucks it up, and I've tried 1 SINGLE addon of different kinds to see if it was the addons... But you don't have a solution so just nevermind... I'll try and see if I can find someone who knows what the matter is and maybe how to fix it π
tough pilot
Yeah a lot of the 18+ hour grinders on my server are losing their minds with the hk system atm. People are losing hks left and right and blizzard has known about it for over a week now? At least that's when they came out with the first response.
plucky nymph
Yeah this was an issue in Vanilla, NOCHANGES.
drowsy phoenix
just dont be so hardcore
bleak saddle
Heartseeker or Scarlet kris or even Alcors as offhand pre raid as combat swords if everyone is free? and dagger offhand due to lack of swords. please help me clarify things.
faster for poisen i would think but tons of ppl running around with offhands in the 1.80 speed so im just confused
*poison
maiden cave
why are you not just using mirah's song
bleak saddle
its 1,80 speed from what ive herd its the poison procs thats matters as in as fast offhand as possible, its more dps then the xtra sword proc. ive herd that is thats what im asking.
fair carbon
If youβre sword specialization, using a dagger is completely wrong. Mirahβs Song is a Pre-BiS weapon so go with it.
bleak saddle
thx for the input guys
plucky nymph
Eventually you're probably gonna have an OH that's 2.00 or slower >_> for a long time.
spark raptor
mirah's song until zg sword inc
deep prawn
whats the deal with sword of the zeal isnt it basicly as good around as dalrend / krol blade ? just on this realm at least way cheaper than krol blade and dont need 100urbs run to get either
plucky nymph
Sure if you take NOTHING ELSE INTO ACCOUNT, it's good.
deep prawn
just checking spread sheet in general and was kinda curious
deep prawn
for sure
cedar jewel
You will use the rend set until you have either brut blade or visβkagg, you replace it way earlier than waiting for both
ionic compass
I guess rends set is worth if you dont inted to raid. The time investment running UBRS to get just abit better weapons than krol/zeal and Mirahs aint worth in my perspective when you will replace mainhand quite soon depending your raids luck and composition. Time investment aint bad if you still run ubrs with your guild daily, but if you try to get into groups solo or form them, its waste of time imo.
plucky nymph
Rends is a much better rate than raid drops, skipping them is not smart.
tough pilot
Lol our guild has seen 0 brutality blades and 1 viskag. If your intentions are hoping a raid weapon drops, may it better luck than our guilds.
plucky nymph
Viskag is like a 5% drop rate >_>
ionic compass
Yea. They are more accesible than raid drops, but still dont feel like they are needed. Krol/zeal and mirahs do the trick at the molten core and personally I didnt want to spend hours trying to get into pugs as rogue. Ran it with guild and saw like one mainhand and one offhand. Ran +30 times it so decided its better to just invest some money and ditch that place. Seen one brutalityblade , viskag, 5-6 perds and 3 cht.
plucky nymph
Okay.
ionic compass
but that just my opinnion about spending the time
plucky nymph
Spend it as you will :3
signal ember
Daggers for life in classic
glass timber
Lol
Naaaa man thunderfury or bust
Needing 66 more arcane bars and Iβm done
Went from 11k honor total this week up to 70k
They actually fixed it
sick path
is it viable to run dagger mh sword oh?
right now im running brutality blade mirah's song and i want to spice it up a bit but im kinda committed to swords because of brutality blade :\
versed cedar
if you are sword specced, stay on swords
if you are dagger specced only use daggers
@sick path
as u got BB you should stick to combat sword
and BB + mirahs a good combination
nothing to complain about
you should do good dmg
neat sun
I've been rerolling a rogue on a PvP server.. Takes twice as long to level now. lol
vapid bone
do we have any spec specific channels for classic
just wanted to check the latest dagger builds before respeccnig, never know who to trust, so many odd builds
plucky nymph
a Thunderfury worth of arcanist bindings > _>
plucky nymph
Bonus ONY this week whoop
plucky nymph
ooo
raven snow
What enchant should a dagger rogue be using on the offhand if offhand is dagger as well?
Still superior striking or...?
plucky nymph
MH Striking | OH Crusader
raven snow
Thanks!
tiny knot
If Im wanting to bling out an alt for leveling, would fiery, crusader, or striking be a better dps enchant?
drowsy phoenix
you could probably dump those ruthlessness points into lethality and improved kick
unless wait im silly
forgot about the 10 thing
in all honesty I dont like ruthlessness as a talent because of its silly proc rate, I myself would put those points in murder
sharp grotto
Lose ruthlessness and take murder imho but people want different things
signal ember
Lose the ruthlessness and put into murder, take one off imp kick and put it into endurance
plucky nymph
ok
hushed laurel
are you buff capped with enchants?
plucky nymph
He is yeah, AI pushed something off.
hushed laurel
gotta go get that warlords blessing too
plucky nymph
Pretty sure it was pushed off from AI.
hushed laurel
ah, thats hilarious
hushed laurel
the thorns and gift of arthas are both not great honestly
plucky nymph
THREAT, MY GUY. But yeah, there are some less than optimal choices.
trim topaz
Hey guys, just in regards to that build posted earlier...would you guys take Relentless Strikes or drop it for a 5th point in Lethality?
cedar jewel
Relentless
edgy pond
hey fellas, anyone having some problems with your cold blood+evi maccro ? cold blood goes off after my evi idk what's happening
using a very simple one /cast Cold Blood /cast Evi so idk :c
(it worked fine until yesterday)
wraith parcel
You'd much rather have thorns than the shitty +120 hp elixir or the +450 armor one
39 damage each hit is way more threat than the str stuff as well
plucky nymph
woo
finite flame
Can someone tell me where the Classic Rogue Spreadsheet is?
plucky nymph
@
plucky nymph
Fuckin EW.
plucky nymph
neat
halcyon osprey
Hey there just wanting some opinions on sword of zeal it dropped for me not long ago so Iβm using that and Brut blade in oh do you guys thinks itβs better than brut mh mirahs oh? Unfortunately I donβt have viskag yet
plucky nymph
Bold # is effective AGILITY -
MH -
cinder spear
Krols + Mirahs OR Krols + Gutgore Ripper? PVE only
sharp grotto
Why is TF so low? Figured it would be better
obsidian granite
Decent as an offhand though, but still not the best in later phases for the effort it takes to get
halcyon osprey
Okay after my MC run last night sword of zeal Mh BB oh Isnβt as good as BB mh mirahs oh. Even though SoZ procs almost all the time and with both weapons having crusader it wasnβt even close to brut/mirahs.
plucky nymph
@sharp grotto That's MH only, TF is very strong OH.
sharp grotto
ah didnt see MH part lol yea i knew it was beast in either hand better in OH
plucky nymph
It might be better as a MH on Vael but elsewhere it's kinda bunk.
sharp grotto
i wont ever get it so dont matter lol
our MT got both bindings in 1 run and hadnt seen anything since
hushed laurel
We haven't seen any bindings yet T.T
plucky nymph
testYum
signal ember
Got my perd dagger, time to shove it up horde anus for the rest of the week
hushed laurel
I got my cloak of shrouded mists today. Finally replaced emps new cloak 
drowsy phoenix
I've lost three perdition rolls at this point
hushed laurel
Despite having weapon as one of my slots I super wanna upgrade, I've been pretty vocal that I don't want a new dagger till the dagger rogues get some. We've seen 1 gutgore that I won, then 1 CHT that a rogue got.
signal ember
I got bonescrapper so if the other rogues doesn't get anytning, i will pass it
for the CHT
hushed laurel
Our MT has run strat UD like... 56 times now, hasn't seen a scraper
plucky nymph
o o f
signal ember
I should ideally get the distracting dagger but that's requiring running west.
plucky nymph
noty
hushed laurel
yah, DMW is awful
I just want bonescrapper for an OH weapon when i dont have a shield equipped, so me winning it off a rogue would be.. real rough
hushed laurel
ill just bring guildies and threaten to gkick them. itll be fine
tall roost
For the PVE sword rogues, any advice if I donβt want to respec for pvp/BGs?
signal ember
Farm BRD pocketpick and bosses for $$ to respec
so I only raid saturday atm so I just farm enough gold in the week to pay for the respec
tall roost
Thanks.
undone berry
guys, can you recommend me some good pvp builds for classic rogue? also are sword rogues viable at all at pvp?
plucky nymph
They work.
wide pawn
I am at lvl 24, should i stay pve spec until iβm at a higher level or pvp is okay?
ocean parrot
@undone berry check out the pins bro. Everything you need.
hushed laurel
@wide pawn depends on what you want to do. If you're trying to farm BGs, you can go a 29 twink spec, but if you're just wanting to level, just stay pve. Not like a spec that early matter a a ton
glass timber
Having tf bindings is fun till you have to grind arcane crystals π€£
Iβm at 35 out of 100
hushed laurel
respec mining, get 3 man jump runs going with some guildies or friends
glass timber
Yeah thatβs not happened since pvp ranks came out
And I highly doubt Iβll do them at all this week
plucky nymph
Nice bindings 3head
hushed laurel
still have time, but 65 arcane crystals is a lot
glass timber
Better on a rogue over a warrior π€£
plucky nymph
o _O
glass timber
Imagine giving tf to a tank who only uses it for boss fights that take 2 mins
plucky nymph
They use it to Illidan >_>
glass timber
Oh thatβs right this pve is a challenge for some
plucky nymph
Not the point,
hushed laurel
it sucks on rogues in pvp too
plucky nymph
Keep farmin Crystals π
glass timber
Pvp is the point of classic
hushed laurel
its just a shit weapon to actually deal damage
pvp was a shit afterthought that blizz didnt want to add, but do whatchu want
glass timber
The pve in classic hahaha
glass timber
Itβs a great pvp weapon you must not have a guild you play with
plucky nymph
Hmmm
hushed laurel
well, ive been raidlogging since finals started, but i guess running the guild isnt the same as playing with them
glass timber
I had it in vanilla and it was a blast and help get us a lot of rank14s
We doing the same thing
hushed laurel
god damn, send some our way, we need some more for nightfall and lionhearts
hushed laurel
0 bindings, 2 BREs, 4 or 5 OEBs, 1 gutgore, 1 CHT, 1 brutblade
our rogues and warriors who wanted to duel wield are going to fucking riot
one of our tanks with ACLGs is using a scarlet kris since he cant get scraper off baron or felstriker
hushed laurel
i got the gutgore with ACLGs, so thats nice. weve gotten... 3 aclgs now? its nice
plucky nymph
I think we've seen two, maybe.
hushed laurel
think our feral is up next on the aclg list
plucky nymph
_>
hushed laurel
its k, im sure yall have seen 1 handers drops
no deathbringers off ony in like.... 19 kills
drowsy phoenix
when was drunken vomit added to wow?
plucky nymph
Only seen the 1 DB this week >_>
hushed laurel
though if you want a skeleton grimoire weve got some spares
like 12 of them
fuck
drowsy phoenix
I dont think you can vomit in classic
plucky nymph
Dunno.
drowsy phoenix
I've chugged atleast 10 cherry grogs while smashed and nothing
hushed laurel
i thought you could, i remeber freaking out about it when i was younger thinking it was a cool secret, but that might be BC
looks like wotlk
plucky nymph
Nice memory :3
hushed laurel
though 1.6 removed the game turning sit into shit sadly
hides wowwiki tab
look, i was a baby ok, dont blame me
hushed laurel
lol
plucky nymph
Look man having a guild that isn't shit is nice.
hushed laurel
i keep forgetting to update our guild mats list, keeping up with cores is so awful
hushed laurel
plucky nymph
NO FUCKING PEARLS
hushed laurel
yah, thats not surprising. truefaith is busted and no one farms pearls otherwise
plucky nymph
Fact.
I think we might have 2-3 people farming them Thursday.
Will see.
or 12, who knows.
hushed laurel
our priests are mostly on their own for that, though a few of our members have free time and help them
plucky nymph
Think we might make all our Ony Cloaks this week, hmmm.
Yeah there are so few needs for that enchant that I think we just bankroll it.
Going to have to make an Ony Cloak alt >_>
plucky nymph
Actually think we need someone to farm up the Cindercloth Cloak π
hushed laurel
its just what... runecloth and an essence of fire? thats pretty easy
plucky nymph
Yeah but the RECIPE is like a 3% drop.
hushed laurel
oh, we have it already, get fukt
plucky nymph
LOOKHEREDOOD
hushed laurel
think one of our mages got in during some kind of farming thing
hushed laurel
we have a mage who really wants every enchanting recipe.
he spent like... 200g on lesser block because its rare
plucky nymph
Yeah no kidding, ha.
hushed laurel
how expensive are arcanes on your server? horde pagle the average is like... 65g. its total ass
plucky nymph
hushed laurel
fack
thankfully ingots sell real fucking well to the alliance, so instead of selling them for 200g to the hordei sell them for 700g ot the allinace. AH cut sucks but thats ok
hushed laurel
lotta peopel are trying to finish hammers for some reason, so sells well. horde side not so much becuase who actually wants to play enhance
plucky nymph
There are like...
four...
warriors...
with valor pauldrons...
and HoR...
π«
hushed laurel
we have 1 warrior horde side with HoR, but he paid for it himself, so whatever
plucky nymph
fuuuuuuuuuuuckyes
hushed laurel
he better have savage glads
hushed laurel
eh, deathdealers aint bad
plucky nymph
moron
hushed laurel
arcanite reaper hoooooooooo
plucky nymph
f's in chat
hushed laurel
Less exciting
plucky nymph
Substantially.
plucky nymph
there's a good one
saw an orc warrior last night with DB+Viskag
π«
Not much dumb shit on tonight.
hushed laurel
I've seen some rogues running around with dal rends OH a lot and no dal rends MH
It amuses me
plucky nymph
o _o
raven snow
@desert shore
wide pawn
@hushed laurel thanks for the info appreciate it
hushed laurel
what to bitch about next? (besides wpvp and server pops)
maybe theyll fuck up BGs and we can bitch about that
signal ember
Nah, bitch about faction imbalance
27% alliance, 72% horde on my server
and I'm alliance
signal ember
You're lucky, my server discord is nuts with all the trash talks
hushed laurel
we have 1 shit guild that fucks stuff up occasionally, but we have a pvp shit talk channel thats exempt from most rules so thats where the shit happens
sharp grotto
Lol @plucky nymph picking on peopleβs gear!
hushed laurel
sharp grotto
Iβm almost done with mine though so Iβm happy!
hushed laurel
cloak, weapon and... rings? dunno what belt rogues want
*weapon as in ranged weapon
sharp grotto
Cloak stays for now bc I ainβt getting world boss.... and yea All I need is NS belt, strikers mark, band of accuria I believe
3 items and Iβm done I think lol well for not
Now
hushed laurel
is shrouded mists not better? havent actually looked that hard at em
sharp grotto
Can I get that right now?
hushed laurel
off rag
sharp grotto
Ah nah Iβm pretty sure baron is better till BWL or world boss?
Yea baron is bis atm
hushed laurel
yah, just looked. stam sucks
sharp grotto
Maybe I can talk guild into just finishing me gear wise
hushed laurel
do you go ham on Wbuffs?
sharp grotto
I mean in our raids we try to have them all yea @hushed laurel we have ony buff and try to have DM buffs.... hadnβt got to raid with guild with these weaps yet so Iβm kinda excited to try NS also
ocean parrot
Hey everyone I know hit cap is 9%. If I get devilsaur set, and wyrnhyde shoulders does that get me to 9% or does it mean I need 9% + precision
signal ember
If you have 5% hit from talent, that's all the min requirement
with those gear of course
more hit, more white sword so as sword thats not bad thing
teal jetty
I am a dagger rogue... thinking about trying this spec for pvp plz PM me https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/315320105001-3203-5500530300001
grim dagger
I like having imp sap for pvp, I'm at work but I'll try and link my build
teal jetty
this is more for BGs
signal ember
if you're doing BGs, I'd run https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/305020105-320302002-15005303030012
plucky nymph
seemsFine
signal ember
imp sap is extremely valuable to have as it could turn the tide of the battle by removing one of the player prior from the fight, imp sprint make it dealing with mage easier by removing slow/nova from sprinting and could save vanish to cancel out pyro or frostbolt, dirty deeds would reduce the cost of CS which could help setup control better as well.
Not taking imp sprint as daggers basically mean that you're only looking into a duel type of the fight and BGs won't be the place for that.
teal jetty
what would be the Best spec for daggers in BGs
plucky nymph
The above one is fine.
Imp Sprint is just too important, even if you are Flag Room defending.
If you're in an organized group for WSG you probably don't need it as you shouldn't be dealing with mages to begin with.
signal ember
imp sap could seems to be useless in AV but if you're a rogue, you should be attempting to capping towers/GY and imp sap can keep the solo enemy from taking the towers/GY back as well.
plucky nymph
Yeah even if you are backcapping it's still good.
signal ember
or at least give you an advantage if there's two defenders heading your way to take back their points
plucky nymph
Probably get more into MoD+Camo for that though.
Getting caught is doodoo. Heightened Senses^^^
signal ember
Looking forward to easy win as ally in AV, we got bridge and Horde got...well nothing as we can jump in their base.
Yeah, well I think the camo makes up with the speed for it imo.
plucky nymph
Meant HS not Camo, I do that literally all of the time.
signal ember
It's difficult taking heghtened senses when its only purpose is to catch rogues/druids, its feasible in TBC because we get more points.
signal ember
Hemo swords can get it, but as daggers, its hard to take it when we uses other talents more.
plucky nymph
Ye
teal jetty
trying to have a ton of Burst to kill healers and EFC
signal ember
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/305320105101-3-500253000332121 for hemo sword in BGs.
plucky nymph
I'd probably go for crippling spam on druids.
signal ember
Eh, hemo sword, you should be at least stunning/controling them and let the other nuke the fuck out of the druid.
plucky nymph
It's only like 6% difference, probably won't matter.
signal ember
I just put in one point into vile to get CB, rather to have the chance to resist dispel than having more chance getting poison on.
Could ditch Ruthlessness for 4/5 vile however which would be more reasonable in BGs.
plucky nymph
Yeah you really don't need ALL of the crit.
I also ALWAYS mix those up.
32% is a lot for sure.
42 is A LOT.
I might test that with a shaman later.
signal ember
Two solid builds for BGs to consider.
Daggers build, I'd advise running https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/305020105-320302002-15005303030012
You're basically going to be more consistent burst overtime, having two more snare removal with imp sprint and not having to rely on CB for big chunk of damage but in return, you're losing easy combo point generator and slightly less control as hemo cost is almost half of backstab.
Fair trade solid IMO.
If you're running hemo sword, I'd advise running https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/305020105401-3-500253000332121
It's your typical world pvp build for world pvp but still has uses in BGs as you would focus more on controlling players with a 2 mins burst CD, ideally used on FC for killing it in WSG or taking out a healer. The only downfall to this build is that you would have to blow your vanish for snare removal.
@midnight gust If this looks good for you, can you pin it so people can look there instead of asking?
plucky nymph
ha... as if that would change anything.
midnight gust
Yes gimme a sec and I'll write up a pin with them
signal ember
Well, I'm being helpful for once, okay? 
plucky nymph
Least you're trying π»
midnight gust
Two solid builds for BGs to consider.
Dagger build
Try running https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/305020105-320302002-15005303030012
You're basically going to be more consistent burst overtime, having two more snare removal with imp sprint and not having to rely on CB for big chunk of damage but in return, you're losing easy combo point generator and slightly less control as hemo cost is almost half of backstab.
Fair trade solid IMO.
Hemo sword
Try running https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/305020105401-3-500253000332121
It's your typical world pvp build for world pvp but still has uses in BGs as you would focus more on controlling players with a 2 mins burst CD, ideally used on FC for killing it in WSG or taking out a healer. The only downfall to this build is that you would have to blow your vanish for snare removal.
- Diusus
@signal ember ty for suggestion I'll trust you guys to tell me if anything needs to be changed or added as I'm not up to date on classic
hidden basin
Hey. Are rogues expected to carry flags in WG?
plucky nymph
I mean MAYBE.
hidden basin
I see, so it goes like druid > warrior > > rogue
signal ember
Shaman is also decent too
hidden basin
I can imagine Paladin is pretty dope for alliance
plucky nymph
Most of the cool things make you drop the flag, and/or get purged to shit.
raven snow
Between mirah and CHT which of them would serve better as an off hand? (in a regular raiding combat sword build)
plucky nymph
Sword.
graceful tendon
im level 38 atm, was looking at the seal fate daggers build. is it any good?
graceful tendon
gotcha
maiden cave
@raven snow CHT is better DPS if you're non-Human
even when combat sword specced
(but obviously BB is better than CHT)
plucky nymph
It's not.
fair carbon
plucky nymph
and yeah CHT is a fucking FAT stat stick, still good if you don't have BB for OH and are comfy with taking it from a dagger rogue or tank.
tough tartan
just looted a shadowblade on my hunter, just thought id ask here since its a dagger, anyone know if its good or bad?
plucky nymph
Well this isn't going to skew things o _o
hushed laurel
plucky nymph
There might have been some changes.
plucky nymph
Yeah at the same time... kinda happy about that.
Even the stalls don't take that long.
midnight shell
i keep seeing people with swords as rouge but i cant equip one. sorry if this is dumb I'm am kinda new.
hushed laurel
you have to learn new weapon skills depending on your race. if you go to a capital city you can ask a guard where the weapon trainers are
last verge
earnest cipher
got both dalrends and tstrike in 1 run
also my 2nd run of ubrs
at lvl 58 LOL
loud tree
damn, that's wild! grats
hushed laurel
gratz!
plucky nymph
Shazz is a dumb boss.
hushed laurel
lol
loud tree
glorified trash mob lol
plucky nymph
Very much so.
hushed laurel
yerp, him and gehennes
hazy dune
hushed laurel
zug zug
opal wagon
how much is needed as sword rogue?
plucky nymph
How much BALLS? or hit?
opal wagon
oh hehe, i mean hit
hushed laurel
9% hit is the basic level you need as that means your yellows never miss. 27% (i think?) hit is what you need for your OH whites to never miss, but thats mostly irrelevant. with the weapon skill talent, you only need 6% chance to hit, and with the hit % talent, you need 1% chance to hit. youll go over that, but thats ok
opal wagon
Ok confuseing
hushed laurel
what race are you?
plucky nymph
Here's a chart;
ΞDefense/Skill = Difference between your Weapon Skill and the targets Defense Skill
Any target has +5 Defense per Level, bosses being Level 63 means they have 315 Defense Skill
hushed laurel
to make it maximum simple: 6% if you have 2 points in weapon expertise or are a human, 9% otherwise. any extra is just extra
opal wagon
atm i have 11%
plucky nymph
More than enough, ezpz.
vocal hornet
is resto druid a wsg god in classic?
or do they not have enough instant stuff to deal with the melee
plucky nymph
Healing tends to get you killed.
hushed laurel
Can't kill bears, its illegal
signal ember
Bear druid with a holy paladin, ezpz win.
maiden cave
@vocal hornet I mean, druids are amazing flag carriers
really hard to kill, good healers in a fight (but only as a supplement to your priest(s) + potential paladin)
so sure, every good WSG premade has a druid
wheat copper
any rogues using bartender 4 and want a fix for reagents not showing?
plucky nymph
pffft
wary dagger
Has the BiS changed at all with the new items from BGs?
plucky nymph
For raid gear no, for pre-BiS lots of it is optional.
wary dagger
anything that stands out? im a recent 60 and just started getting pre raid Bis
plucky nymph
The AV dagger is pretty good.
Best until raid stuff.
WSG dagger is basically tied with Shanker.
wary dagger
awesome, thanks!
ornate sequoia
is there a way to get combo points on name plates in classic? just messing around right now...did a quick search didn't find much
hushed basin
I did some spreadsheet stuff and got these numbers with SC 6 piece and an availible BiS list. Since Combat Rogues have a 6% hit cap, I'm trying to replace the gear that has +Hit chance for +crit, ap or agi & str. Am I on the right track here? Even If I did a 6pc SC, once I get a piece of gear to replace one of the items, I lose the 6pc bonus, so the whole thing is pretty much a moot point isn't it?
hushed basin
But I guess another theory is that if you have greater than yellow damage hit cap, your white damage will hit more often. You cant crit a white damage if it never has the opportunity to do so. Wouldn't high hit chances and weapon expertise vs ability hit cap and max crit and AP both work out to be about the same damage output either way since they're both super good at compensating in opposite ways?
plucky nymph
What kinda answer are you trying to get here? As there are a few questions being asked here @hushed basin
raven snow
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong at any point, but as you pointed out one of the major flaws with Shadowcraft is the number of pieces required to achieve the energy refund bonus and that upgrades will quickly break the set. There are alternatives to Shadowcraft that you can use that will net you similar, or close to, stat results while avoiding the set bonus concerns.
But the reason the high hit build is recommended is in part due to World buffs.
plucky nymph
Upgrades aren't upgrades if you do less damage due to breaking the set.
The problem is that fights last under 1min and trash clear speeds don't matter to basically anyone.
So while the proc is powerful it runs into the same issue as Hand of Justice, that getting 0-2 extra attacks doesn't equate to much.
maiden cave
@wheat copper sure
cedar sedge
what is the go to dagger specc?
vocal hornet
last I heard, was combat daggers.
signal ember
AQ40 and up, or whenever you get 30% crit baseline, you can go sealfat
drowsy phoenix
if you enjoy it you can do it whenever
im currently sitting at 25.86% crit unbuffed with my top crit gear on
maiden cave
SF is worse DPS until way, way, way later
considerably so
even with 30% crit unbuffed
hidden basin
Is Don Julio's bad together with the ring from Ragna bis?
sharp grotto
Don Julio / band of accuria / quick strike ring are all bis rings, BoA and QSR are best but don Julio will be easier to get usually than QSR
drowsy phoenix
yeah but you cant crank that crazy PvP burst without seal fate and initiative
do u even kidney
paper spear
Will lobotomizer take up a debuff slot?
tough pilot
If it does I'ma assume it's like gutgore ripper and gets knocked off within seconds.
sharp grotto
It knocks off a higher prio one so it kinda fucks ya up and the other ya to be reapplied
wheat copper
for rogues missing blind/vanish reagents on their hotbar addons since the patch a few days ago here's a fix, just install this as an addon
plucky nymph
Weapon debuffs are very low priority ye.
ocean parrot
Has anyone found the quest that gives the ebon mask? https://classic.wowhead.com/item=19984/ebon-mask
I can't seem to find it in IF
I'm LVL 57
plucky nymph
Wrong Content Phase
plucky nymph
:3
ocean parrot
Thanks Miz
signal ember
Seems silly to release it yet when most people are going to be in T1
glacial rain
Someone has time to help me in Darkshore with the shroom quest before I lose all my sanity?
EU Luciforn
plucky nymph
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hushed laurel
yep
ocean parrot
damn do you really have to do scholomance three times to get mirah's song???
fair carbon
If you do it the dumb way, yes
fair carbon
Leaving after you finish the quest... get the next quest.... go back in
ocean parrot
ah makes more sense lol
ocean parrot
do poisons not work on domo?
just saw a rogue in guild saying his poisons are useless
ocean parrot
ah ok great to know. will take some sharpening stones. Thanks Miz
plucky nymph
π
hollow dock
I currently have pred blade, gutgore and the +6 dagger skill dagger from dm:w, am i correct to assume pred mh and +6 skill oh is best combination
Also what enchants should i be looking to get for both mh and oh
cedar jewel
If you plan on doing pvp then +5damage on mh/crusader oh. If no pvp then crusader on both
Gutgore is a shit oh dagger so use distracting as oh
Until you get cht
vocal hornet
lol "poisons are useless" 2.24% is pretty limp.
plucky nymph
For OH only that is a little low, but only a little.
Horde don't get much out of poisons to begin with.
hushed laurel
Windfury 
ocean parrot
how much fire resist do you guys go into Rag with? is 100 unbuffed enough?
ocean parrot
the group i am running with struggles with dps
i don't think we will be able to do that
shadow tapir
I've ran 0 with groups that went through a sons phase, just gotta be careful
Probably a bit rougher on healers tbf
ocean parrot
ah
plucky nymph
There's basically nothing to do as a Rogue.
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if you are not yolo, run to safe spot before Wrath, GL an reentry
ocean parrot
GL?
plucky nymph
Yeah due to tanks getting knocked back and dropping threat + taunt resists you might just get creamed going back into melee.
plucky nymph
He will probably still smash you.
You don't need to be inside him to melee, so stay as far away as possible and force yourself out of melee range.
ocean parrot
oh ok sounds good. Thanks for all the tips miz!
plucky nymph
np GL
signal ember
Rag is like the easiest fight if you can beat the dps check before the sons.
Shazzah is easier because as melee, you don't need to do a damn thing and just bandage people.
old stone
we do the chad strat on rag and all melee stay in
hushed laurel
We don't care enough about our rag kill time so we have melee walk out. Adds like... 20 seconds or whatever, ohno.
past violet
so where can i find some in depth research already done where someone is doing MC (future BWL) with Seal of Fate vs Combat daggers when sitting on 30% unbuffed crit?
neon juniper
thats exactly what im trying to find
for a seal fate build would it be better to put my last point in duel wield spec or dagger spec
Im thinking daggers for that extra crit
plucky nymph
@signal ember Pfffffffft, our Shazz kill is pure unga bunga, shaman spamming chain heal, melee using resto pots, mages decursing 
The last time I checked on Seal Fate, you need to have 100% uptime on 30%+ Crit and be @ hit cap or over.
past violet
i am all the above mizerok. i hear that it is only really better from phase 4. but noone has any evidence or anything that shows me if its good/bad now.
plucky nymph
Encounters are super short now, so something as inherently streaky as Crit means it could function very well now but it can also be entirely hit/miss.
But I don't think you are going to sabotage yourself by doing so really.
plucky nymph
There's still a billion hit
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Basically until you are DONE getting gear.
hidden basin
You barely have any hit with bis gear
plucky nymph
Will check it later as I reeeeeeeally don't care atm.
Then it's not BiS :3
You have enough.
vocal hornet
@plucky nymph did I see that some bosses are like 15s?
plucky nymph
I mostly don't care because I am Combat Swords for the entirety of this game.
vocal hornet
MC bosses
plucky nymph
In MC? Yes. BWL? Dunno.
hidden basin
But wait, the T1 set doesn't give you hit...
plucky nymph
If we had more Deathbrings and Viskags our Shazzrah would be 10 fucking seconds π
hidden basin
How much hit do you have with full t1 set?
plucky nymph
BWL is out sometime in JAN probably.
hidden basin
You lose all the hit from replacing devilsaur armor, the shoulders from UBRS etc
vocal hornet
yeeet
plucky nymph
I have 13% hit now π
past violet
u can get hit anywhere. even your 'thrown' plenty of pieces even are 2% hit. to
plucky nymph
ok?
plucky nymph
Getting NS Gloves and BF Pants you lose 1% hit and 1% crit.
hidden basin
But what about replacing Truestrike shoulders?
past violet
rogues have no issues hitting 9% hit and even 30% crit
plucky nymph
from losing Devilsaur
hidden basin
You lose 2% hit with it
past violet
t1 shoulders has 1% hit
past violet
as i said, hit aint an issue for rogues at any level. just about mixing up the gear you have and trying to maximise your crit and agi
plucky nymph
there's a hit
hidden basin
I see that with full bis gear you get 7% hit?
plucky nymph
also has hit on it
You will probably have less HIT than you have now, but you can have like... 12% now very easily.
Which is way too many when you could have Crit or AGI or AP over it.
hidden basin
Yeah it's a surplus of hit
plucky nymph
There's just no options atm as the stat scaling isn't properly stupid.
hidden basin
true
plucky nymph
also dope
14% haha
Probably replacing TER just haven't looked yet.
CoAF is better by a little.
HoJ over Blackhand's Breath if the fights are of decent length.
Probably over it regardless.
O_O
weewoo
warm ether
Swords are for betas
plucky nymph
ezLoot :3
hidden basin
So is 7% hit OK with full bis gear?
plucky nymph
On top of the talents?
hidden basin
What talents?
plucky nymph
Precision and/or Weapon Expertise
maiden cave
[22:27] mizerok π InSomnia π: You will probably have less HIT than you have now, but you can have like... 12% now very easily.
[22:27] mizerok π InSomnia π: Which is way too many when you could have Crit or AGI or AP over it.
what a silly comment
+hit % is a dmg increase too just like other stats are
@hidden basin 6% hit is minimum if you have 305 Weapon Skill, 9% if you have 300 (don't have 300 Weapon Skill)
signal ember
You can pick up 2% hit trinket from rogue DM tome quest and two 15+ agi 1% hit ring in tribute. Tada, you're hit capped for seal date build.
plucky nymph
@maiden cave That's nice, but hit suffers in "weights" against other options if there were those options. 12% is way too high over the hit requirements if there were options otherwise.
I state this in literally my next comment.
and in case you somehow missed that, it's there, promise.
AND EVEN IF we had dumb scaling, there's still very few options and hit isn't shit so we happily take it.
The only oddity there is at the moment due to scaling and options is Corehound Tooth.
dry birch
imagine this man is a "moderator" in the other discord
plucky nymph
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dry birch
just imagine what the lads would do in that disc
plucky nymph
:3
dry birch
absolute chaos
plucky nymph
How's things going in Classic this is offtopic otherwise π
dry birch
xD just got +4 stats recipe
plucky nymph
w o o $ $ $ maybe
dry birch
yupyup, still get 35g per enchant on my server
plucky nymph
We need out enchanters to be more serious π
dry birch
haven't seen a single healing or sp drop since 2nd week of release QQ
plucky nymph
We've only seen the two, I think.
Wonder if those are on the spreadsheet.
Too many of our enchanters don't even have Crusader, imo.
dry birch
also really enjoyed that WSG between ym and retail streamers
and the attitude that came after x'D
plucky nymph
HAHAHA
hidden basin
Is the r10 set good alternative for some T1 pieces?
signal ember
The boots bonus is thicc. Zoom zoom faster movement = more run through damage.
Long live the Thraxxix.
plucky nymph
h a
hidden basin
I thought some of them are equivalent of MC gear
Oh well
Not really motivation to get r10 then
plucky nymph
Stat-wise I am sure that there are some pieces that are close.
hidden basin
Maybe the shoulders
plucky nymph
Nevermind, none.
hidden basin
π
plucky nymph
lol