#classic-discussion | Ravenholdt | Page 36

civic crest Oct 21, 2019, 1:23 PM

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Mob grinding was pretty effective for me between 40 and 60 when it was so annoying to sometimes wait for questmob respawns

tough pilot Oct 21, 2019, 1:30 PM

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The tourney also has strict rules that gut locks.

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There is a reason sl locks were banned in duel tournaments on ps'ers.

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@real surge yes but only if you have a good group. Otherwise it's not that good. And most don't want rogues since they want aoe dps classes.

wraith parcel Oct 21, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Killing the demon

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So yes, in essence its the pylons, since you have to destroy the pylons to kill the demon

raven snow Oct 21, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Hey guys , what do you think is better for pve , the t0 set ( for the energy procc ) or blue / t1 items ? I play dagger with ragi and major dagger

winged crystal Oct 21, 2019, 3:55 PM

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major (domo) dagger peepoguns

dusk crystal Oct 21, 2019, 6:25 PM

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raggi

sterile tundra Oct 21, 2019, 6:27 PM

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So with weapon swing timers, you should press sinister strike just when mainhand timer is about to run out?

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to uptimize sword specialization?

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 6:29 PM

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You should probably just not use one and focus on not dying.

Otherwise, you would want to use Sinister Strike as near to the BEGINNING of your swing timer as you can, not the end.

sterile tundra Oct 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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ok thanks @plucky nymph

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no death in two mc runs, so i think my positioning is fine 🙂 just want to optimize the dmg

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well on bosses atleast

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😄

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 6:30 PM

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😛

sterile tundra Oct 21, 2019, 6:31 PM

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do you know of a good slice n' dice watcher?

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that shows the duration

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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I just use WA to track everything

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vocal hornet Oct 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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AS ONE SHOULD

sterile tundra Oct 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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When you say near, its when it starts counting down on weapon main swing?

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Or just before

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 6:32 PM

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As near as you can to the BEGINNING of the swing.

sterile tundra Oct 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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ok

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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The end of the timer doesn't count as the beginning.

sterile tundra Oct 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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And why is this, is this to proc more main hand sword spec?

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Is so that you're not resetting your swing timer at the END of the swing before you attack, forcing you to wait another X seconds.

sterile tundra Oct 21, 2019, 6:33 PM

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Thanks 🙂

spare blaze Oct 21, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Hey guys, do you have any guides or resources for Dagger Rogue in Classic?

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 7:07 PM

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In regards to? Stabbing? Gearing?

spare blaze Oct 21, 2019, 7:08 PM

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spec and gearing I suppose. I've seen guides that all say different enchants and different points put into assassination tree

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 7:09 PM

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Well I imagine they are referencing different things, follow the Classic Wowhead Guide.

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Though make sure to read the little descriptions under the trees.

maiden cave Oct 21, 2019, 8:01 PM

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@spare blaze if you're going dagger get 6pc SC, wowhead is pretty outdated on a lot of things (I am pretty sure they get the amount of hit % and what weapon skill does wrong)

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Their Phase 1 BiS lists are also wack.

spare blaze Oct 21, 2019, 8:28 PM

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What do you guys do btw when done with BiS. I've gotten all my items from dungeons now and non raid stuff

shadow tapir Oct 21, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Raid, farm gold, pvp, professions

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alts

civic crest Oct 21, 2019, 10:32 PM

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I want to add on the dagger spec thing. I’ve been playing around with the spreadsheet and either I’m doing something wrong. Or the distraction dagger in offhand is super good. I’ve been trying different dagger in offhand like the sunrazor boe. But the distraction one outshines it by far. It doesn’t say that on wowhead

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Also. The 6/8 Shadowcraft + 2/2 devilsaur is a lot better. It’s even outshining full t1

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6/8 Shadowcraft+ 2 t2 seems to be bis

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 10:34 PM

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uhhuh

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The spreadsheet seems to value +weapon skill WAY MORE than it should.

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Even past 310

civic crest Oct 21, 2019, 10:36 PM

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I really wonder how accurate it is. Because I’m treating it as my bible right now on gearing

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 10:36 PM

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I am just following the pinned website.

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The spreadsheet is good at showing small upgrade and showing that tier bonuses are good.

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as well as weapons being a huge upgrade usually

civic crest Oct 21, 2019, 10:36 PM

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I’ve only done major domo right now where we killed all of them one by one and I literally outdpsd everyone there and most people in my raid have epics. I’m testing it again Wednesday where we start fresh

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 10:37 PM

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Gear doesn't really make up for poor play.

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and combat daggers are better than swords if you have a Perditions.

civic crest Oct 21, 2019, 10:45 PM

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I’m playing assassin

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The difference on the sheet was 6 dps so I went with a spec that seems more fun to me

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Sub is just bad

plucky nymph Oct 21, 2019, 10:48 PM

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For PVE yeah SUB is wack outside of the top few talents.

spare blaze Oct 21, 2019, 11:12 PM

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where do you guys gank or pvp? im bored

shadow tapir Oct 21, 2019, 11:13 PM

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Blackrock mountain

marble dune Oct 21, 2019, 11:22 PM

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DM

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but if you wanna be a real dick, gank people farming eye of shadows at dark whisper gorge in winter spring

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it’s a brutal 10-15 minute run back

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a lot of ppl rather spirit Rez

neat sun Oct 22, 2019, 1:19 AM

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lol

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Opinions on a Prep/CB dagger build? No PvP guide seems to cover it, so I suppose it's just inferior? I could go combat daggers, but CB is just too strong.

drowsy phoenix Oct 22, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I've been wondering about the same thing, it looks really good in pvp in concept

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 4:42 AM

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at the very least, i haven't checked out a video guide for it yet

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also wondering on the general worth of master of deception

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 4:42 AM

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You cant get Imp Sprint with CB/Prep is the big problem

drowsy phoenix Oct 22, 2019, 4:43 AM

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think we call that one a free action potion then

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 4:43 AM

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You gonan drink a free action everytime you fight a mage tho?

drowsy phoenix Oct 22, 2019, 4:43 AM

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gotta do what it takes

daring thunder Oct 22, 2019, 4:44 AM

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good ol fap

drowsy phoenix Oct 22, 2019, 4:44 AM

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peepono

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that isnot what it takes

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peepochrist

daring thunder Oct 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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fap = free action pot

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AngToxic

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 4:54 AM

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do you guys find a certain amount of points on MoD to be necessary?

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 4:56 AM

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Necessary, no.

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 4:59 AM

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Really comes down to dagger vs not dagger build whether u grab it or not

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 5:03 AM

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which build do you grab it with? I've also considered putting only 3 points into it

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Im sure theres variations. Ive mostly seen MoD with hemo builds since they have no reason to grab Opportunity

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And Opportunity is big for dagger prep build

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 5:06 AM

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maybe i could drop elusiveness?

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i suppose this is starting to reach personal preference levels, though.

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so you're saying i shouldn't grab hemo with a dagger build, though?

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:11 AM

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No

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Well, thats not usually done anyway

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 5:12 AM

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2 or 3 in serrated?

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:12 AM

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The damage that Hemo says is an average of your weapon's damage

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So its basically a Sinister Strike

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 5:14 AM

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http://puu.sh/Evr4a/fc68a44b7f.jpg

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:25 AM

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All those points and didn’t get hemo? Hmmmm

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Take 1 out of something and go hemo

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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definitely get hemo

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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hboxS

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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unless thats daggers

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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But if your dagger build that just doesn’t seem right

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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but that doesnt look like daggers lol

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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Not really a reason to get Serrated blades with daggers

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:27 AM

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^

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:27 AM

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yeah that's not a dagger build

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:27 AM

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Missing ambush and backstab

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:27 AM

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It’s like a 21/8/22

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fGx0oxZGcM0bZVMjcc0R

Talent Calculator - Classic wow database

A content database for world of warcraft classic

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this is the dagger spec im going to be running when p3 comes out

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Yea depends if you want imp sprint or not

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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can drop imp sprint for cb if you really want it but

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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so cold blood isn't worth on a dagger build?

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Yeah ive been playing that one, is fun

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Either that or CB take your pick lol

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:28 AM

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Cold blood is great but you lose Imp Sprint

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guarantee lose to mages

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:29 AM

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With daggers you have SUCH high crit already

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You don’t need it

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:29 AM

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i feel like no imp sprint just gimps you so hard

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esp if youre not a gnome

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exactly

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:29 AM

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Just think 30% natural crit + 45% from talents lol

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:29 AM

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you dont even really need the cb

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:29 AM

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75% crit on ambush

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And like 60% BS crits

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 5:31 AM

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Its mostly to guarantee evis crits

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But give up a lot

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Yea, honestly a ambush / vanish ambush / prep ambush

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:32 AM

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i feel like cb really only makes sense for swords

sharp grotto Oct 22, 2019, 5:32 AM

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Lol all the crit you’ll need

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It does imho

sand cipher Oct 22, 2019, 5:32 AM

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cuz the evis does all your damage as swords

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but the cp generators do your damage as daggers

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it's fun to swifty oneshot people with fat ass 2500 eviscerates but imp sprint daggers is a much more versatile playstyle

daring mortar Oct 22, 2019, 5:45 AM

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evis is mostly static damage, no?

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which i figured was the real logic for CB daggers

civic crest Oct 22, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Wouldn’t it be better to drop points in remorseless or and imp evi to take points into murder?

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Especially if you’re not planning on killing people with evi

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Honestly I don’t think I’d take remorseless and just go for murder. 2% isnt a whole lot. But it’s 4% when you Crit I guess

spark raptor Oct 22, 2019, 8:20 AM

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XD

dusk crystal Oct 22, 2019, 8:28 AM

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for pvp 2% isn't great

tropic karma Oct 22, 2019, 9:10 AM

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I'm considering a scuffed hemo/combat build since MC is faceroll and I'll only lose 33 DPS according to the spreadsheet. anything you guys would change here? https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/-30300520200501502-500253000330101

Wowhead

Classic Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

Talent Calculator for Classic World of Warcraft. Theorycraft, plan, and share your Classic character builds for all nine original classes.

spark raptor Oct 22, 2019, 12:13 PM

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Youll lose significantly more than 33 dps. Whats the fight duration in the sheet?

winged crystal Oct 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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also check with your raid leader about having the hemo debuff for raiding

spark raptor Oct 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Just spec sinister strike and be stealthy

tropic karma Oct 22, 2019, 12:28 PM

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well ok I checked 3 min fight, it's 50-60 dps on 1 min which is rare for my guild

cedar jewel Oct 22, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Put 2 points into imp sinister and 1 into dodge and you’ll be fine (in case your raid leader doesn’t allow hemo in raids)

tropic karma Oct 22, 2019, 2:05 PM

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yeah I'll swap around if it's an issue. thanks

desert swift Oct 22, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Working on my pre-bis gear as a combat dagger rogue, currently got shadowfoot stabber MH and bonescraper OH.

Unsure what my pre-bis MH dagger is (that's feasable to grind) but would Distracting Dagger be my OH pre-bis? Saw a rogue using that as OH with core tooth dagger thing as MH

https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18392/distracting-dagger

https://classic.wowhead.com/guides/rogue-dps-gear-bis-classic-wow

This bis list shows my pre-bis daggers as felstriker & heartseeker as MH pre-bis and alcor's runrazor as OH but all three of those daggers are expensive/unrealistic to get. Alcors is boe world drop, striker is 0.2% droprate and the seeker is expensive af to craft. For pre-bis I'm not looking to invest the same time I would invest in getting t1+ items

tough pilot Oct 22, 2019, 3:06 PM

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@desert swift I mean if you're in a casual guild that doesn't care if you're pre bis or not, then just wait for a rng boss drop. I've only seen one perd blade drop out of the endless mc runs I've done since launch so good luck. Investing time in to pre bis is part of the game. Hell our guild has a 10prebis requirement, but we're also not casual.

desert swift Oct 22, 2019, 3:29 PM

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i guess it's a semi-casual guild? im looking to do all raids as often as possible as a core raider in the guild so...

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the main things i wanna know are:

Is there a pre-bis MH dagger that isn't below 1% droprate that's worth getting?

If not I can grind out UBRS runs for Felstriker which also appears to be my best shot at Alcor's Sunrazor

Is there a pre-bis OH dagger that isn't below 1% droprate? Can get Distracting Dagger (linked above) @ 18% easily enough but is there anything better for OH that isn't as rare as Alcors'?

bleak trellis Oct 22, 2019, 3:44 PM

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when leveling swords is it best to have very fast OF or a slow one also and if a faster OF sword is better would a dagger be even better?

desert swift Oct 22, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Rule of thumb: you want faster weapons in the OH so your poison procs more often

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as far as mixing and matching, whatever is better dps for you ig

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but faster weapon in OH is what you want

bleak trellis Oct 22, 2019, 3:47 PM

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thank you

winged crystal Oct 22, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Cht is not a good MH. I would use distracting until cht for OH

atomic sigil Oct 22, 2019, 4:47 PM

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as an offtopic, could i get standard engineering to like 260 and then just learn all the gnomish recipes i want or do i gotta lvl gnomish separately? if anyone knows

tropic karma Oct 22, 2019, 4:48 PM

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there's no point going distracting over bonescraper if you have mugger's belt though

civic crest Oct 22, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Usb the bis list on wowhead. To my opinion is not correct for dagger. 6/8 Shadowcraft +2/2 devilsaur works a lot better for me. Distraction dagger offhand and I got this random dagger from scholo gargoyle boss and I do really well in my raid

desert swift Oct 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I'm not following that one exactly atm anyway with my gear setup, though admittedly pretty closely

desert swift Oct 22, 2019, 7:37 PM

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And @tropic karma that belt would be nice but i have cloudrunner girdle and with distracting dagger and my +5 daggers from my spec im already 311 dagger skill

spare blaze Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 PM

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guys given that HoJ is apparently bugged, is the Dire Maul 2% hit trinket better?

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 PM

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Bugged how?

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Seems fine.

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 8:54 PM

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How does this look for a PvP Dagger spec?

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spare blaze Oct 22, 2019, 8:56 PM

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https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/hand-of-justice-and-dual-wield/336009

World of Warcraft Forums

Hand of Justice and Dual Wield

I have been looking at my HoJ performance for a while now and it seems that there are some issues with this trinket and Dual wielding. The proc rate is very, very low(as low as 0.07% after 1000s of swings). The Damage of the extra attack is very very low. I have tested thi...

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 8:57 PM

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I can see that, keep using it.

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:26 PM

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@steep quartz IMp SnD is useless in a pvp spec. MoD is also probably not worth the points. Improved gouge is huge and not having imp sprint is going to get you killed against mages.

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:27 PM

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@steep quartz uhh, you want imp backstab

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:27 PM

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But getting imp sprint means no CB

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Oh yeah didn’t see backstab

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:27 PM

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if you go 21/8/22 or you go the imp sprint variant (without CB) is whatever, both are good

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but that build is not good

clever kayak Oct 22, 2019, 9:28 PM

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just use free action potion you dont need improved sprint and mages cant do anything

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:28 PM

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https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fhxbRgzZGcZVMjcc0k is a 21/8/22 variant that vek ran in the duel tourney

Talent Calculator - Classic wow database

A content database for world of warcraft classic

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oh dear

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:28 PM

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I don’t think just using a potion is a reasonable tactic lol

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Every time you fight a mage?

clever kayak Oct 22, 2019, 9:29 PM

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why not you use one every boss pull

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same thing

daring thunder Oct 22, 2019, 9:30 PM

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if gold isn't an issue then its reliable

dry birch Oct 22, 2019, 9:32 PM

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honestly ^, on my server it/mats cost ~50s

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def worth imo

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Because when pvp releases those potions are going to get expensive

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If thats what you want I suppose, Id rather just grab a talent

dry birch Oct 22, 2019, 9:34 PM

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vanilla pvp relies heavily on consumables, but sure. whatever feels right

clever kayak Oct 22, 2019, 9:35 PM

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we use so many consumables anyway what is one more

marble dune Oct 22, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Vanilla pvp is about who brings the most cheese 😉

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aiming for 1k of each pot

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:39 PM

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But even Vek suggests Imp Sprint in his pvp dagger build. Just dont think CB is worth it

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To each their own I suppose

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:43 PM

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that's an open world PvP build, its fine to use either

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I mean since you're such a fan of vek, he played CB in the 1v1 tourney

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not imp sprint

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;p

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:45 PM

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I'm not a fan, never watch him. You brought him up.

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1v1 tourney is pretty specific, guess the situation would need to be specified too

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 9:48 PM

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1v1 dueling tourny is also degenerate with arbitrary rules, so... fuckit.

dry birch Oct 22, 2019, 9:49 PM

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^

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imo, in case that needed to be added for some people x'D

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 9:51 PM

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lol

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:52 PM

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@shadow tapir @maiden cave @plucky nymph My thinking for Imp SnD was exclusively to make raids a little easier. That is one of my only points not pvp focused.

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I am also a gnome so Imp Sprint is much less of a big deal w/ escape artist

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https://i.imgur.com/oLpAWLg.png

Imgur

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Yeah just don't fight people without your CDs 😛

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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was my spec incase its 2 far up

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Problem with rogue is our talents are very specified to pvp or pve, trying to balance both hurts

winged crystal Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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You can always do that but generally in classic when you start making a pvp build with a little pve, you end up just gimping both

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Gnome is a good point with Imp Sprint

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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@steep quartz your spec has no imp backstab

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Yeah its legit just one point for Imp SnD

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:54 PM

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how is that even a spec

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:54 PM

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I mean I was planning on doing prep/CB just for the crits, I just dont think its as flexible

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But even so MoD, no imp backstab, no gouge isnt great

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Yeah to be honest im also doing the BRD gold farm so MoD is geared for that

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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go 21/8/22 or the imp sprint variant

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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I totally agree that getting rid of that for imp backstab will be the play

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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or don't bother

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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Imp Sprint isnt great on a gnome imo

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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So this isnt a pvp dagger spec, its a mish mash of pve, pvp and pick pocket specs

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:55 PM

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I wouldnt call one point a mash of pve lol

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:56 PM

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I would because youre giving up some huge stuff

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:56 PM

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the spec is bad for pve (very very bad for pve) and its bad for pvp

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its a bad spec

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:57 PM

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and you can pick BRD mobs from in front of them at 60 without MoD

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Honestly that one point in Imp SnD normally goes to 1 point in expose armor

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which I dont see as a big loss

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Unless im missing something?

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Gouge and back stab my friend

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is huge

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:57 PM

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Right but I need that point in assass to get CB anyway

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Its not like I can trade that point for Gouge or BS

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:58 PM

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I wasnt talking only about SnD

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MoD, w/e the two to the left of prep is

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:58 PM

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oh my god

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:58 PM

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You can play it however you want, I just dont think youre going to be good at anything

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:59 PM

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thats heightened senses tawney ;p

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 9:59 PM

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ty lol

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 9:59 PM

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(and yes you'd drop that)

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Okay I feel you

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I actually fucked up the Backstab thing

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forgot that was in combat like a tard

winged crystal Oct 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

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With rogue talents you really want to go full pve or full pvp. Any combination of the 2 makes you inferior in both

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

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there's a reason I linked you 21/8/22 so you could look at it for inspiration, genesis ;c

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 10:01 PM

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I didnt see a link?

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ill look it up tho

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@maiden cave you are right

maiden cave Oct 22, 2019, 10:04 PM

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its the classicdb link

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 10:04 PM

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This spec looks a lot better

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Is this the right one?

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 10:08 PM

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Missing dirty deeds

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https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fhxbRgzZGcZVMjcc0k

Talent Calculator - Classic wow database

A content database for world of warcraft classic

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the one Hanbi is talking about

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Pretty close though

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 10:09 PM

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ah okay so lose one in camo

fair carbon Oct 22, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Well thank god I got both of my elven rings last night monkaW

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Apparently there was some wack shit that happened to Tributes

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Gz man

fair carbon Oct 22, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Tyty

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I have to give credit to my hunter guildie though cause the dude’s a legend

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Is the BRD pickpocket run our best option as rogue?

spare blaze Oct 22, 2019, 10:42 PM

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I like to farm Hearthglen tbh. Lots to pickpocket, can solo 56 elites for good money and runecloth, 3 chests constantly respawning, rich thorium veins

steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 10:46 PM

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How much gold you make an hour abouts?

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I know it varies but on avvg?

spare blaze Oct 22, 2019, 10:48 PM

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hard to say honestly, but I have an obscene amount of gold and farming there has helped. 30 maybe?

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Like it swings. You get a lot of runecloth there which gives some gold, you get greens from the eliets and chests which I tend to disenchant but you sometimes get a nice one worth selling or a bag that goes for 20+g, in 1 hour you tend to see 4 RTVs which might give you an arcane crystal, lots to pickpocket. Its got it all.

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#Money

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steep quartz Oct 22, 2019, 10:53 PM

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Nice dude

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Ive been doing the BRD one and it was about the same id guess

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I bought like 10k runecloth so I could use the epic tiger as a gnome lolol

spare blaze Oct 22, 2019, 10:54 PM

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I probably can afford the runecloth but I CBA spending days and hours buying it up, asking for CoDs etc.

ember aurora Oct 22, 2019, 11:07 PM

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are you playing daggers or swords Lyuben?

spare blaze Oct 22, 2019, 11:12 PM

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daggers atm due to being dwarf and all other rogues in guild human

ember aurora Oct 22, 2019, 11:19 PM

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ahh

raven snow Oct 22, 2019, 11:26 PM

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so i avarage out about 45 g a hour brd pickpocketing

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is there anything faster a rogue could do?

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that's not contested

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 11:33 PM

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Yeah farm MC trash.

bleak fable Oct 22, 2019, 11:34 PM

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What's a good spec to run for endgame PVP

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 11:34 PM

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How tf you make 45g an hour in BRD

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I must be doing it wrong 😦

plucky nymph Oct 22, 2019, 11:34 PM

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He's lucky.

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That's all.

raven snow Oct 22, 2019, 11:38 PM

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i play with preperation, and the talent in combat called endurance which decreases sprint cooldown

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and spam prep

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whenever off cooldown

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and have swifty stop watch

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and a pair of boots that give increase stealth levels

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and no lucky drops

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tbh a 100% lucky hour with no deaths could spike up to 60+ gold a hour

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but that requires zero resist and goodluck with that

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 11:40 PM

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Its like 3 silver a pick lol

raven snow Oct 22, 2019, 11:41 PM

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yeah and takes about like 1 sec to pick

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 11:42 PM

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thats 1500 picks in an hour

raven snow Oct 22, 2019, 11:43 PM

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and then + whatever u get

shadow tapir Oct 22, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Ill give it another try

raven snow Oct 22, 2019, 11:43 PM

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like hickory pipe

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but like

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im not killing any bosses at all

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i just pickpocket all mobs on the way to arena pick pocket thru arena over to loregrain then back

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towards angerforge

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jump out of window

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pick pocket monsters down there

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gonna test if only doing Arena and grim guzzler pickpocket is more gold per hour

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but im not sure

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if it is

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only thing that kinda gimps the gp/hour is opening those lockboxes

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and uhh on my server everything except major healing potions are vendor value

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if lucky 1 gold a stack of blinding powder but it barely happens

steep quartz Oct 23, 2019, 12:43 AM

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yeah I do BRD pickpocket and get about the same

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Ive farmed about 3k gold in BRD so I wouldnt say its just lucky. Plus luck doesnt have much to do with it since you mostly get vendor trash.

marble dune Oct 23, 2019, 1:42 AM

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god i love tuesdays

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everything sells

raven snow Oct 23, 2019, 1:47 AM

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how much do a tebuu blazing go for

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you guys recon+

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?

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i mean it's a big bonus if it ever drops from these heavy junkboxes

steep quartz Oct 23, 2019, 2:54 AM

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One on record in the US and was listed for 4800g and went down to 4500g

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Cant be sure it sold though

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Ive done a ton of BRD pickpocketing and have gotten about 6 greens lol

marble dune Oct 23, 2019, 3:12 AM

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feelsbad when garr dispels your dm buffs

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 3:16 AM

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Yeeeep.

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guild setting up DM buffs, free ring :3

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plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 3:38 AM

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shadow tapir Oct 23, 2019, 3:40 AM

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oh snap

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I hope devilsaur goes up

daring thunder Oct 23, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Yojamba

drowsy phoenix Oct 23, 2019, 3:46 AM

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woo bby

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almost two months not bad for removing most layers tbh

split ore Oct 23, 2019, 4:02 AM

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Idk if this is included anywhere, but should combat dagger rogues be running both distracting dagger and mugger's belt in absence of corehound gloves over lets say.. instead of bonescraper

marble dune Oct 23, 2019, 4:12 AM

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guess who got the preds

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😄

drowsy phoenix Oct 23, 2019, 4:16 AM

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the warrior

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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@split ore You need to be 305 weapon skill, 308 is a bit of a soft-cap for gaining anything from weapon skill.

daring thunder Oct 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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the hunter

split ore Oct 23, 2019, 4:19 AM

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305 will be achieved via talents at the minimum 😮

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I have both the mugger belt and the distracting dagger

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Just wondering if a bonescraper would be better

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 4:21 AM

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It would be better if you are over 308 with Bonescraper equipped.

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Once you get Aged Core Leather Gloves that other stuff stops being a thing to consider.

drowsy phoenix Oct 23, 2019, 4:27 AM

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I've got ACLGs and a darrowspike for OH, but no good MH dagger yet

sand cipher Oct 23, 2019, 4:28 AM

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has anyone had any success with 2man stealth tribute runs?

split ore Oct 23, 2019, 4:34 AM

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got a ring from a resto and a feral druid that duo'd it

sand cipher Oct 23, 2019, 4:35 AM

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my buddy and i have been trying for 2 days to get it down

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but gordok is just a fuck fest

shadow tapir Oct 23, 2019, 4:42 AM

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I remember reading striking is the go to for pve daggers over crusader. Is this true?

wary quest Oct 23, 2019, 4:45 AM

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Hi, now I have Preparation/coldblood talents. Can anyone send me a list of the best main/off hand weapons? 73 trys on UPER and rends maind hand hate me xD

marble dune Oct 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/Z6vjtF3

Imgur

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the only bis that matters

near wagon Oct 23, 2019, 5:16 AM

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in a choice what amount of attack power would be equal to 1 percent hit or is hit always the choice

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 5:18 AM

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~20 ap after you are hit capped.
numbers are not final and might in fact be really wrong, but probably not

near wagon Oct 23, 2019, 5:18 AM

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what is the hit cap at level 60 ?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 5:19 AM

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6% with 305 weapon skill

near wagon Oct 23, 2019, 5:20 AM

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good to know is there a site that has these kinds of figures ?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 5:20 AM

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https://github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table

GitHub

magey/classic-warrior

Contribute to magey/classic-warrior development by creating an account on GitHub.

near wagon Oct 23, 2019, 5:22 AM

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Thanks Mizerok

zealous leaf Oct 23, 2019, 7:04 AM

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Is it validated that Teebu's blazing sword actually is in lockboxes?

raven snow Oct 23, 2019, 7:18 AM

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if you go dagger rogue you should get 2 felstriker and pull aggro imo

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it says so on wowhead

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i can't confirm however

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50 hours grind done in brd

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i've gotten a few patterns and green items

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hoping that a lionheart maybe drops

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hehe

tropic karma Oct 23, 2019, 7:28 AM

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still never seen a teebu's and I scan AH on high pop servers

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most of them prob drop in MC and get equipped tho

hazy path Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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TawneyToday at 7:42 AM
I remember reading striking is the go to for pve daggers over crusader. Is this true? <-- Any info on this?

maiden cave Oct 23, 2019, 10:08 AM

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yes, +5 is better

sharp grotto Oct 23, 2019, 11:44 AM

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Why does 6pc SC have to be so fucking good lol... basically giving up tier pieces to the rogues who can’t understand why I’m getting 3-5 more BS in a fight than them lol

strong schooner Oct 23, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Skullforge reaver or thrash blade in mh?

tough pilot Oct 23, 2019, 2:25 PM

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@strong schooner thrash

strong schooner Oct 23, 2019, 2:42 PM

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offhand i have bonescraper/skullforge reaver

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dont have mirah yet

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how much wep dps/speed is it worth to drop sword spec in offhand

sly shuttle Oct 23, 2019, 2:43 PM

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Arms warrior and warlock, or the nightmare of rogues

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If I don't put hunter into it

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2k mortal strike outch

echo wraith Oct 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

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whats best OH Dagger before Corehound Tooth. Not including things like Felstriker/Alcor's?

shadow tapir Oct 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Distracting dagger or bonescraper are good

echo wraith Oct 23, 2019, 3:50 PM

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I figured it was between those two. and maybe shadowblade? IDK how bad the proc rate is on that though, especially as an OH

winged crystal Oct 23, 2019, 4:46 PM

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hanzo sword vs vanq?

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for OH

sly shuttle Oct 23, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Shadowmourne

raven snow Oct 23, 2019, 5:42 PM

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considering rogues damage is mostly auto attacks it is still worth reaching

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auto attack cap right?`

winged crystal Oct 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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what's the addon that shows your crit/hit and all that?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 6:57 PM

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@strong schooner They're about the same over a 3min encounter but Skullforge doesn't have the same kind of randomness that Thrash Blade has.

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@raven snow Not possible since it's 25%.

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+Hit past 6% still has very good value.

pliant bramble Oct 23, 2019, 7:01 PM

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is Felstriker the best OH after CHT if you got Perdition's blade as MH?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 7:02 PM

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Not sure why the MH matters here, the bolded number being a generic "DPS" value.

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OHs^

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Weights done in relation to pure stats.

strong schooner Oct 23, 2019, 7:04 PM

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omfg did they hotfix brd pickpocket?

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im getting 5-6 resists a run

sly shuttle Oct 23, 2019, 7:04 PM

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fcking nobrain lock, this class is an absolute garbage for garbages

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Sounds normal, pick resist are cancer.

dusk crystal Oct 23, 2019, 7:45 PM

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what do you mean lock is high skill class pepeez

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Yeah at some point you have to die because your crits are way too fat.

fossil steeple Oct 23, 2019, 7:52 PM

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get a spell hit set for pickpocket runs,problem solved

raven snow Oct 23, 2019, 8:03 PM

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does spellhit actually work?

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is it confirmed?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 8:04 PM

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No.

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AFAIK.

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But knowing this game >_>

minor prism Oct 23, 2019, 8:42 PM

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anyone have info on what libram of rapidity is worth vs voracity? i have some people saying it's good for sword rogues or if you're weilding a slower weapon, and i checked the shadowpanther spreadsheet and it isn't on there. any ideas?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 8:42 PM

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The Bloodmoon spreadsheet shows that 1% haste is worth ~8agi

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As combat swords.

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Will check again real fast.

minor prism Oct 23, 2019, 8:43 PM

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ok cool, you got a link to that by chance?

raven snow Oct 23, 2019, 8:43 PM

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you have to be real however

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1% haste

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will you stay by the boss

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and auto attack it forever?

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if you do then 1% haste is better than 8 str or 8 agi

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 8:44 PM

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Yes.

raven snow Oct 23, 2019, 8:44 PM

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ragnaross is an example where 8 agi is better than 1% haste

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etc

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 8:45 PM

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Same DPS @ 1min, 2min, and 3min encounters.

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The difference won't be worth the price of those enchants however, haste is just extremely cheaper.

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Don't even think the server matters.

minor prism Oct 23, 2019, 8:46 PM

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yeah i picked up a few of them for like 2 silver a piece

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rattlegore horde

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Yeah.

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so cheap

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Bloods are free, Pristine is like... 20g average? Large Brills are 5g eacy?

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Book is fucking... free, haha.

minor prism Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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yeah lol the hardest thing is getting the blood

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Oh God, 1x Vanishing Powder.

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lol

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My walleeeeeeeeet.

minor prism Oct 23, 2019, 8:48 PM

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i mean finding nodes lol

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 8:48 PM

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Just grabbem when you're waiting to fill for Strat.

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Ask in Gen, people just give that information away O _O

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They can't fucking fight those assholes.

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:03 PM

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very good raid today, got nightslayer chest & perditions blade

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 PM

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woop!

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 PM

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next big updates for me are onyxia neck & t2 pants/head

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 PM

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GL

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:06 PM

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btw, when should you if ever respec into seal fate?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:07 PM

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30% base crit probably.

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:07 PM

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with daggers or swords?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Minus world-buffs etc.

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Daggers is my assumption.

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:07 PM

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ill leave it then, 29% base crit

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:08 PM

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They say 30% after buffs/consumables but that shit is very soft and can be hard to keep.

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Just have Songflower/etc. at all times 4head.

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:08 PM

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tbh mongoose alone gives like 3% crit easy

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:08 PM

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So I would say that if you have 30%+ crit AT ALL TIMES, it can work.

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~3% ye

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I just wanna stick to math WITHOUT world-buffs as it's not reasonable for most people.

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30% crit, 9% hit

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Seal Fate is better than Combat Daggers.

humble light Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 PM

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I recently got CHT in raid, but I'm not sure which hand to use it in. I haveShadowblade and The Shadowfoot Stabber in my bags.

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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CHT works in the MH if you don't have another epic dagger.

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humble light Oct 23, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Yeah, I think according to the sheet I use CHT MH and Shadowblade OH (Over TSS) right?

strange delta Oct 23, 2019, 9:19 PM

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hows classic everyone??

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:19 PM

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@humble light Sounds right.

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:25 PM

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whats best use of cold blood in PvE/PvP? ambush? eviscerate?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Probably EVI for Swords, don't know Ambush numbers.

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Considering your EVIs are gonna be with 5 sunders/etc. in a PVE setting, oobby.

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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true that works as well

spare blaze Oct 23, 2019, 9:43 PM

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ah dont worry guys false alarm, I wasnt thinking of the 5% crit from combat I'd miss out, so my real crit is closer to 24%. Soon...

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Yeah lol

maiden cave Oct 23, 2019, 10:14 PM

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@spare blaze don't forget crit suppression too

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Seal Fate is not viable for a long time

sand cipher Oct 23, 2019, 10:19 PM

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i'm starting to lose my mind on these 2man stealth tribute runs

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does anyone have experience with it who could answer some questions?

plucky nymph Oct 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Nah

maiden cave Oct 23, 2019, 10:44 PM

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if I did it I would study the streams of people doing it + use the kite strategy with rogue & druid

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facetanking is too scary

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you can FAP and then start kiting after it finishes

pale lark Oct 23, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Guess whos part of the perd club

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this guy

maiden cave Oct 23, 2019, 10:55 PM

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you go girl

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grats døg ;p

raven snow Oct 23, 2019, 11:10 PM

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man 50 gold a hour

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is so little

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ffs i want a warlock now when i see they making 100+ gold a hour

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...

sand cipher Oct 23, 2019, 11:41 PM

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@maiden cave what is the kite strategy?

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you mean similar to duo rogue where after cd's you just run away, then vanish and the other guy pops his cd's, runs away etc

maiden cave Oct 23, 2019, 11:42 PM

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run around the ledge area, chip away at him on dps

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sure

sand cipher Oct 23, 2019, 11:42 PM

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but then what about the caster add

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if it's the shaman or priest, they can heal gordok

sharp grotto Oct 24, 2019, 12:00 AM

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i need rogues on my server so we can duo anger... i just want hoj

shadow tapir Oct 24, 2019, 12:19 AM

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What server?

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Oh wait youre horde right?

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 1:26 AM

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well this is with dying 4 times and running back and each time running back you lose 3 minutes

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an hour of brd pickpocketing give or take

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super lucky on those major healing potions

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 1:28 AM

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Yeah majors are, very easy money.

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Windows Vista btw 4head.

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 1:55 AM

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fuckinasty

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strong schooner Oct 24, 2019, 2:12 AM

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ok im convinced they hotfixed pickpocketing

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im getting 10 a run

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 2:12 AM

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10 what?

strong schooner Oct 24, 2019, 2:12 AM

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resists

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and my vanish is failing 2x in a row rofl

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Vanish is very wack atm.

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busy

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2min Rag 👌

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 2:45 AM

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@strong schooner

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it's rng based

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sometimes you get tons of resist

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other times zero

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BTW someone explain this please

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plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 2:46 AM

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itzWack sometimes

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 2:46 AM

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THE MOBS ARE CHASING ME and i can still STEALTH

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HELLLUUUU

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 2:46 AM

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Ye

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GameIsWeird

desert swift Oct 24, 2019, 2:51 AM

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My current spec

Considering taking away some (or all) points from Improved Slice and Dice and putting them into Lethality. Unsure just how much value I actually get from the Improved SnD duration

Additionally, in dungeons (and even more so in raids) I'm not finding myself using Gouge... Ever?

Should I be or would I be better off putting those 3 points into Lightning Reflexes for 3% dodge chance.

neat sun Oct 24, 2019, 3:03 AM

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Has anyone tested out spell hit with pick pocket?

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 3:04 AM

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I think we had a 3 second P2 ONY >_>

neat sun Oct 24, 2019, 3:05 AM

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the fuck? how?

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 3:05 AM

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You fuckin blast her.

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She was up, 1 fireball, coming down.

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BECAUSE OF THAT

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Half the raid died.

neat sun Oct 24, 2019, 3:05 AM

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roflmao

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 3:05 AM

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BUT IT WAS COOL.

neat sun Oct 24, 2019, 3:06 AM

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I'm really curious about spell hit and pick pocket

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I want to know if it really reduces resists

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and if so, can we make it 100% hit

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 3:18 AM

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Doubt it.

neat sun Oct 24, 2019, 3:22 AM

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yeah, people say it's based on spell hit but no one has posted any proof that I've ever seen

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 3:23 AM

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So why even believe them?

neat sun Oct 24, 2019, 3:40 AM

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I mean, in theory it's based on something, right?

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Bullshit?

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Sure.

neat sun Oct 24, 2019, 3:41 AM

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No, resist chance

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Nothing else in the game has a set resist chance

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 3:47 AM

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HONESTLY

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im thinking of getting a full frost resistance set and shadow resistance set

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so i can just swap it on when facing warlocks

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who have their fakking

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voidwalker

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and be like HAHA can't be killed LOL

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then against mages

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resist all slows

honest pewter Oct 24, 2019, 3:52 AM

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yeah i had minions follow me in stealth today a few times today its annoying

shadow tapir Oct 24, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Is shadow master in LBRS 2-3 rogue-able?

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 5:02 AM

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He hits kinda hard IIRC.

old stone Oct 24, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Brutality blade + gutgore from garr yesterday. 5th onslaught belt from rag in a row, at least something good. Still have only 1 tier piece after 6 clears

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I think we have 4 fully tiered druids now

shadow tapir Oct 24, 2019, 5:51 AM

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Anyone have experience with GKP raids since classic has been released?

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 5:54 AM

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i honestly haven't heard of any GKP runs in classic, last time i heard of one was on nostra server

shadow tapir Oct 24, 2019, 5:55 AM

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Yeah, I havent seen any either. Was thinking about starting an Ony one every weekend but unsure of how to price items.

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 6:00 AM

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at what point does hemoharge become more superior than sinister strike btw? like at 10 sinister strikes, it costs 450 energy, and has 680 bonus damage. Hemorrhage costs 35 energy, so 350 energy for 10.

So in theory you could, do almost 3 more hemorrhage by the time you've done 10 sinister strikes.

however your weapon damage must scale over 680 bonus damage in order to be better than sinister strike

next horizon Oct 24, 2019, 6:44 AM

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Yo would like to chat with some1 who knows alot about hit rating vs weapon skill

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and their interaction

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also how are people going with gpm/hr with pick pocketing?

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40g/hr approx?

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Shadowpather maep values and if hit is static after yellow hit cap etc

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 6:46 AM

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Hello friends! Does anyone have a guild that's recruiting on Bigglesworth - US ?

old stone Oct 24, 2019, 6:47 AM

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I dont like pickpocketing for money. You can pretty much only do instances, like brd. If you get resisted you have to vanish and wait for 5 mins or risk dying on the next resist

versed cedar Oct 24, 2019, 7:14 AM

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tyrs hand pickpocketing should be worth it too, and you can run away, if vanish is on cd

next horizon Oct 24, 2019, 7:26 AM

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tyrs?

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brd goes ok with sub spec and prep

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40g/hr atm

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curious if ppl have other recommendations

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keen to talk to some1 about hit rating, wep skill and stat equivalents

maiden cave Oct 24, 2019, 8:57 AM

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have you tried reading https://github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table

GitHub

magey/classic-warrior

Contribute to magey/classic-warrior development by creating an account on GitHub.

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 9:30 AM

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@next horizon after realising i could sell blinding powders for 50 s a stack it's about 60+ gold a hour now

next horizon Oct 24, 2019, 9:30 AM

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ye im trying to sell mine

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 9:30 AM

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@old stone

next horizon Oct 24, 2019, 9:30 AM

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not many ppl buying weirdly enough

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cause I basically never used blind till farming this now

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fadeleaf is quite expensive

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@raven snow is that just runing permenantly and pickpocketing without instance reset

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 9:32 AM

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@old stone in the long run, pick pocketing is more gold per hour than waiting for vanish, risk the death its worth the run. also tbh you should be prep+ combat talent endurance if you're going to rely on pickpocket gold farming

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ayeah

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it get somewhat repetive i agree

next horizon Oct 24, 2019, 9:32 AM

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ye struggle with that but good still

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 9:32 AM

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i believe in phase 2 you could probably sell the blinding powders for some more

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and same with both major and superior healing potions

winged crystal Oct 24, 2019, 10:59 AM

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feeling pretty good boys. Got blackstone ring yesterday and today I will snag the devilsaur gloves when I lvl 53

sharp grotto Oct 24, 2019, 12:09 PM

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Nice, I got all my gear enchanted with haste yesterday lol can’t wait to test it

echo phoenix Oct 24, 2019, 2:05 PM

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for daggers with mh perd: Distracting dagger + Zigris belt or Bonescraper + Mugger's belt, thoughts?

pale lark Oct 24, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Distracting and muggers will prob be more dps until u get core hound gloves

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then u can swap distracting for bonescraper

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from what ive heard regarding dagger skill

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Alterac swiss which you get commonly from pickpocketing sells good on auctionhouse because you need 20 of those to learn cooking from 225 to 300

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don't vendor them

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🙂

stable wave Oct 24, 2019, 5:27 PM

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Weird question

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So does teebu's blazing longsword exist in classic now? or is it a myth? a legend? Also IF it does, is it correct that its actually possible to get it from one of the pickpocket boxes?

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 5:36 PM

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yes the success chance of getting oen from heavy junkboxes are 1/9000

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so get farmin

stable wave Oct 24, 2019, 5:46 PM

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Cool, good to know

sly shuttle Oct 24, 2019, 7:10 PM

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iS IT A STUNLCOK WHEN i USE VANISH + PREPARAZTION ,

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sorry caps

dry birch Oct 24, 2019, 7:16 PM

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honestly just ask one of your hunters that is farming tribute to invite you when tarnished drops. ez pz

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@winged crystal just realized you are level 53. nvm 😄 grats!

shadow tapir Oct 24, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Just need like 4 more bank alts full lol

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Is there an addon to track my pick pocket sessions? Just curious about resist chance and such

hexed grotto Oct 24, 2019, 8:01 PM

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does anyone know of or have a link to an AEP addon?

raven snow Oct 24, 2019, 8:02 PM

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@shadow tapir yes the addon is called pen & paper

hexed grotto Oct 24, 2019, 8:14 PM

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or a link to pawn stat wieghts

old stone Oct 24, 2019, 9:11 PM

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A guild hunter wants 25g for a tarnished ring, what a scammer. Got one in a regular run tonight

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 9:12 PM

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I mean if they are soloing it they can sell for up to 50g on some servers.

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Sounds like a bit of a deal.

winged crystal Oct 24, 2019, 9:12 PM

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Yeah. They do the same for Blackstone

old stone Oct 24, 2019, 9:13 PM

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yeah, he said he sells for 50

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might just buy it for 25 and be done with it

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or use the mats for 4 tributes that I still have

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 9:14 PM

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You only REALLY need the 1.

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You've lots of strong options for the second slot.

winged crystal Oct 24, 2019, 9:18 PM

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I paid 25g for Blackstone. I was 52 and got it on the 3rd run. Took like 35 mins or so total. So worth the time savings

old stone Oct 24, 2019, 9:20 PM

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I have painweaver, blackstone and magnis will for the other slot to choose from

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double tarnished is just better, maybe I just shouldnt care

spare blaze Oct 24, 2019, 9:31 PM

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HoJ working as intended?

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plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 9:36 PM

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@spare blaze Is that your information? Can you see if the HoJ Melee ever crit?

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BAH

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spare blaze Oct 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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29% critrate, same as my normal hits

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 9:39 PM

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k

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I think there might be something weird going on with OH HoJ procs not getting the +OH_DMG talent.

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The damage is close, but still low.

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The proc_rate is also too low.

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By ~50%.

shadow tapir Oct 24, 2019, 10:04 PM

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@raven snow thanks!

marble dune Oct 24, 2019, 10:42 PM

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wars/rog dps already so high lol i doubt blizz will fix hoj

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Yeah I am in it for the procs really, replacing it come BWL meebee, will see.

wraith parcel Oct 24, 2019, 10:52 PM

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HoJ works fine for me as a bear pepeez

spare blaze Oct 24, 2019, 10:53 PM

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suppsedly it works for 2hs and without dual wielding

plucky nymph Oct 24, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Yeah IIRC DW is the weirdness.

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:04 AM

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So, ShadowPanther says that HoJ is better than Jom Gabbar

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But, every BiS list I see shows to drop HoJ for it

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 2:06 AM

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shadowpanter doesnt really say HoJ is better

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it's just got a higher spot on the list

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both trinkets have 30 AEP and MAEP

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:09 AM

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true, but in that vein they'd be the same value

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 2:11 AM

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I thought I just said they had the same value

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:26 AM

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And yet you didn't explain why every BiS says to take Jom Gabbar over HoJ

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I haven't seen a single BiS list that doesn't

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Which was the basis of my question

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 2:42 AM

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probably just because it's a controllable trinket

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 2:47 AM

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The BiS lists never state how much a difference there is between anything.

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Only reason I can see HoJ still being better is because AP only increases out autos, and SS can proc HoJ

frosty rover Oct 25, 2019, 4:02 AM

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AP only increase outos ?

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Does anyone know how is the proc rate of 6p T0 ?

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 5:37 AM

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AEP is weighting using ALL stats (stamina included), MAEP removes the Stamina.

raven snow Oct 25, 2019, 11:18 AM

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any1 got a site where i can check rogue stats weights?

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such as how much 1% hit,1%crit, 10 agility etc is

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some people say 1% hit is 18 attackpower 1% crit is 26 attackpower

pale lark Oct 25, 2019, 11:41 AM

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@plucky nymph u still using 8 set SC or u gotten some gear yet lul

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 12:37 PM

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@raven snow it changes depending on your stats/gear/buffs, so it's hard to give you one that works for everything

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if you visit the Classic Rogue Discord https://discord.gg/Pkkntws they have a spreadsheet which calculates your stat weights for you

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AP         1.00
Agility       1.75
Strength   1.00
Crit       22.00
Hit       18.00``` is a decent guideline, but it's not accurate for everyone at all

dusk crystal Oct 25, 2019, 2:05 PM

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HoJ looks like garbage if that's how it's rn

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:07 PM

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@frosty rover SS and Evis are set damages. Their damage is not increased by Attack Power - it's simple Weapon Damage + value

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 2:09 PM

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@neat sun huh?

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neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:10 PM

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Sorry - it's just SS then

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I could have swore Evis didn't get AP additions until TBC

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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I mean...SS deals dmg on top of the weapon damage, sure, but AP will improve your weapon damage

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Saying their damage is not increased by AP is...odd.

spark raptor Oct 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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ROGUES DONT SCALE WITH GEAR DUMBASS! Eviscerate has static damage!

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Not sure if sarcasm.

spark raptor Oct 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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World of roguecraft ep 1

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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He's incapable of talking without mocking and putting someone down

spark raptor Oct 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Its a quote from a popular pvp video

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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So a bad attempt at sarcasm, then.

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Clearly not that popular then, eh?

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If you're the only one who knows what it's from?

spark raptor Oct 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Damn zoomers

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Again ... huh?

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 2:13 PM

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but yeah Palmer, don't say AP doesn't increase the damage of those 2

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:13 PM

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I didn't think AP got added to SS/Evis until later. I was mistaken

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Evis scales very little with AP, but it's there

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its base dmg is huge

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Ahhh

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Eviscerate = (Base Damage Minimum + Modifier) up to (Base Damage Maximum + Modifier)
Critical Eviscerate = Eviscerate Damage Range * 2```

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So at most you only get 15% of the AP

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SS gets about 7%

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So it scales poorly from AP, but does scale

frosty rover Oct 25, 2019, 5:40 PM

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SS scales almost the same on AP that auto does

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no ?

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I mean 14ap = 1 dps = 2.8dmg on your autos = 2.4dmg on your ss. Relatively SS win even more since it does not miss

dusk crystal Oct 25, 2019, 6:08 PM

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anything that use weapon damage scales with ap xd

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 6:12 PM

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(Attack Power / 14) * Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage = Damage

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That's what I see for autos

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(Attack Power / 14) * Normalized Weapon Speed + Weapon Damage + 98 = Damage

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That's sinister strikes

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Ohhh, okay... So yeah, 14 agi gives you 2.8 damage. I was only looking at AP/14 and evidently can't math

inland haven Oct 25, 2019, 6:56 PM

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So, which should I swap for Thrash Blade: Sword of Serenity (30.0 dps 9stam/4spirit) or Speedsteel Rapier (28.1dps

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and 8 agi 3 stam

neat sun Oct 25, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Rapier is a 1.8, so you want that as your OH

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Drop SoS and use Thrash Blade in your MH

raven snow Oct 25, 2019, 7:21 PM

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But yeah I don't understand like rogues majority of damage comes from auto attacks so how come crit scales higher than hit :D

signal ember Oct 25, 2019, 7:23 PM

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Because you can't really cap hit for white.

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 8:52 PM

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@maiden cave I love that this uses "EAP" but doesn't set AGI to function as a baseline.

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rose lichen Oct 25, 2019, 8:53 PM

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I'm curious as someone who's thinking of leveling a rogue, is it true that it's difficult to get dungeon groups at lvl 60?

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Depends on server, tanks are scare.

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 8:55 PM

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@plucky nymph I love that you care when "EAP" is just a score and can mean any number of things

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it could be "Efficient Attack Power"

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Could be.

rose lichen Oct 25, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I'm very interested in it but the thought of not getting groups is kind of of putting, my highest lvl character is a hunter though, I guess it's just as difficult to get a group as hunter...

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 8:56 PM

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are you whining for any particular reason or just being a cunt?

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 8:56 PM

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So what is it? Vague on purpose?

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Just want specifics.

maiden cave Oct 25, 2019, 8:57 PM

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its EAP, if you want agi to be your baseline (why would you, use the lowest score as a baseline to make it simpler) then go wild

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the world is your oyster

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 8:58 PM

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So is it effective attack power, estimated agility points, extra apple potential?

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 9:16 PM

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evil anduin ptoryline

plucky patrol Oct 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Guys - Sorry if this gets asked ad nauseum. Wouldn’t the 6 pc shadow craft with daggers (faster weapon speed so more chances to proc) perform better than nightslayer?

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I hear it’s roughly 4% proc rate

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Usually does yeah.

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Eventually the tier will just have enough stats to make up for the loss in powerful set bonuses though.

plucky patrol Oct 25, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Ya tier 2 or 2.5 if my theorycradting is accurate. There has to be someone who has matched and trialed this with world buffs and without worldbuffs out there right

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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IMO unless you are clearing all content in the timeframe of the world buffs that is an unreliable metric.

plucky patrol Oct 25, 2019, 9:21 PM

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Totally agree

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That’s why I am curious on both with and without world buffs

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Can u elaborate on what u meant by “most” of the time it does?

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Since the set bonus doesn't use a weighted proc system sometimes you get very few procs and the averages can be skewed due to it.

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So raw stats ends up being the better option.

plucky patrol Oct 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Gotcha. Since there is no Proc Per Minute at all in Classic, u could get good RNG or bad RNG basically is what u are saying

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 9:24 PM

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Other times you get the 6pc proccing 4 times in a fucking row and you get 100NRG from nowhere.

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 9:38 PM

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so this 30/0/21 build is kinda really fun and does good damage

civic crest Oct 25, 2019, 10:00 PM

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agreed

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 10:00 PM

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and good damage is fine, so have fun :3

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 10:06 PM

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feelsloveman

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 10:06 PM

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But quit changing your fuuuuucking name politics

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 10:07 PM

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why? it's my thing!

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:P

winged crystal Oct 25, 2019, 11:17 PM

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What's the 30/0/21 spec and how do people not yell about no imp gouge?

plucky nymph Oct 25, 2019, 11:26 PM

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People yelling about specs are trying way too hard, do w/e you want.

drowsy phoenix Oct 25, 2019, 11:33 PM

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30/0/21 is just something I've chosen myself afaik

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thinking of a variation where I go x/x/31 for pvp

winged crystal Oct 25, 2019, 11:49 PM

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I was honestly just curious and then also made a joke

plucky patrol Oct 26, 2019, 12:36 AM

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30/16/5 = more dmg and gets imp gouge

honest pewter Oct 26, 2019, 1:12 AM

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Is Brutality Blade + Dal Rend OH better than MH and OH together?

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 1:13 AM

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Dal Rend OH is bad.

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Use Mirah's Song if you have the option, or buy a Dimensional Blade of Tiger/Monkey/etc.

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or a dagger.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

signal ember Oct 26, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Yeah just bought the dimeonsional blade of tiger for like 5g

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a fucking steal

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 1:20 AM

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Yep.

signal ember Oct 26, 2019, 1:46 AM

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i think its also slightly faster than mirah song too

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Yeah but .2 IIRC

honest pewter Oct 26, 2019, 2:08 AM

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okay tanku

sand cipher Oct 26, 2019, 2:25 AM

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i'm gonna be ranking in p3 but i'm unsure if i should go swords or daggers. i'm probably going to have to choose between viskag and perds in my raid group

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i think daggers is cooler than swords, but i'm, unsure which is actually stronger in premades

drowsy phoenix Oct 26, 2019, 3:37 AM

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dal'rend OH is just for the 50 AP

dusk crystal Oct 26, 2019, 7:52 AM

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definitely going daggers we have so many warriors fighting over swords

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pick up some swords when they have em

sand cipher Oct 26, 2019, 8:34 AM

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thats another nice thing about it yeah

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and perds is bis until aq40 i think

ebon ledge Oct 26, 2019, 12:22 PM

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bois should i aim for shadowcraft 4p/6p for pve or nah?

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 12:23 PM

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I’m 6/8shadow 2/2 devil and I love it

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On the spreadsheet it’s bis for me too as dagger

ebon ledge Oct 26, 2019, 12:24 PM

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is it better than 4p with pre raid bis pieces?

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 12:27 PM

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well the 6p is the one that gives the amazing bonus

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so ye

ebon ledge Oct 26, 2019, 12:30 PM

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im looking shadowpanther spreadshit but cant see too find the ultimate bis what spreadshit u use?

rare crystal Oct 26, 2019, 12:42 PM

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is there a good BIS list for sword combat? with MC stuff included

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 1:03 PM

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The blood moon one

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Where you actually combine shit together

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And see your dps

raven snow Oct 26, 2019, 1:57 PM

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is shadow craft warking for wow classic?

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 2:09 PM

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Working?

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Why wouldn’t it

sharp grotto Oct 26, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Yes it’s insane for daggers

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Get like 2-5 extra BS over rogues who don’t have

cosmic surge Oct 26, 2019, 3:28 PM

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@civic crest, can u link that blood moon spreadsheet?

rare crystal Oct 26, 2019, 3:45 PM

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@civic crest can you link me the blood moon one? 🙂

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Looking for the link right now

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Also. Rogue classic channel opinion about 6/8 shadow

drowsy phoenix Oct 26, 2019, 4:28 PM

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cbb with it myself, ended up organizing MC trash runs and getting both nightslayer mob drops, as well as ACLGs from an actual boss clear

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lul

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 4:41 PM

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http://www.mediafire.com/file/fg19esagjyfj3yl/RogueDPS_Bloodmoon_v.1.8.xls/file

MediaFire

RogueDPS_Bloodmoon_v.1.8

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Works best with wps

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@rare crystal @cosmic surge

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plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 5:46 PM

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M E D I A F I R E O _O

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 6:51 PM

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?

loud tree Oct 26, 2019, 6:51 PM

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Mizerok loves that link

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kekw

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 6:51 PM

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I can tell

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 6:54 PM

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If HoJ is actually 1% proc rate for Dual Wielding (regardless of it having a weird damage calc. that would drop it even lower), the following trinkets are solid choices if not better due to damage and lack of randomness;

Rune of the Guard Captain (Q Horde only) [tied or slightly up]
Royal Seal of Eldre'Thalas (Q DM) [tied or slightly up]

robust moon Oct 26, 2019, 9:03 PM

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sadly I'm alliance

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so I'd rather have extra ap + swing than 2% more hit on top of my 13% :D

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but I'm very unlucky

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lost the roll on HoJ 8x times

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btw what do you think about dagger rogues rolling on swords in raids? is it ok? cuz I have no idea

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today saw dagger rogue winning ony sword

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it's unfair imo

maiden cave Oct 26, 2019, 9:09 PM

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its perfectly normal for people without epic weapons to just go for whatever epic weapon they can get first

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so if they were using blue weapons, I wouldn't have a problem with it

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 9:18 PM

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ye

dry birch Oct 26, 2019, 9:20 PM

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I, too, rage at that mediafire link

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and cba wps suspect chinese software

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 9:21 PM

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I dunno about CN software O_O

shadow tapir Oct 26, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Yeah I’m using swords but have every intention of rolling on MC daggers.

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 9:32 PM

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If the dagger rogue had Perditions and rolled on Vis'kag

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_>

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heJerk

shadow tapir Oct 26, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Yeah thats different lol

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Part of me feels I shouldnt roll on Perds because Im human but PvP ya know

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And the guild says pvp is their main goal in P2

dusk crystal Oct 26, 2019, 9:45 PM

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probably gonna get it before pvp

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unless unlucky XD

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or how many people you have rolling for it

shadow tapir Oct 26, 2019, 9:46 PM

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I haven’t even killed Rag yet, raid time conflicts

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They made a second raid group is only reason I might be able to. It has 6 rogues in it lol

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 9:48 PM

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My primary raid has 6 Rogues in it >_>

dusk crystal Oct 26, 2019, 9:58 PM

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i think we have 4 or 5 but not sure how active

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3 plus me are mostly online

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 9:58 PM

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ahcrap

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more like 7

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lol

civic crest Oct 26, 2019, 10:00 PM

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6 in mine... but since I’m out performing the other rogues while I’m full blue and they have epics. I hope o get first pick on perd

dusk crystal Oct 26, 2019, 10:01 PM

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are they not buffing

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that shouldnt happen XD

plucky nymph Oct 26, 2019, 10:05 PM

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better than the warriors >_>

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dusk crystal Oct 26, 2019, 11:06 PM

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omegalul

frosty rover Oct 26, 2019, 11:41 PM

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I think +% hit is vastly over-rated, especially in BiS list like Wowhead or so, but also by Shadowpanther spreadsheet.

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Shadowpanther assume 1% hit = 7AEP when 1% crit=10AEP

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My maths tell me that 1% hit rating only value 0.5% crit rating once passed the yellow hit cap which is 1% in combat spec

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So either hit rating is overated or crit rating is under rated but the AEP value of %hit should be half the AEP value of crit.

shadow tapir Oct 26, 2019, 11:51 PM

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Do you have math to support that though? Doesn’t seem to be any after hit cap

frosty rover Oct 26, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Yes I have but I'm currently looking for datas that could proove/ determine what is the Glancing blow penalty reduction (if there is any) with Weapon Expertise talent

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0.5% crit = 1% hit assume a static 70% glacning blow dmg (that should actually be the case in 1.12 btw since Glacning blow dmg reduction from Weapon skill only appears with 2.0.1)

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BUT most of the private server actually DO have weapon skill reducing Glancing blow dmg penalty and there no information about it on classic

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Basically only 50% of your dmg are autos so that if you assume 1% hit increase your autos dmg by 1% (in reality it's between 1.08% and 1.17% depending on your actual hit/crit rating score, the highest gear you have, the lower it will be) so that 1% hit rating only increase your dmg by 0.5% (in facts 0.56%)

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when 1% crit is increasing autos dmg by 1% but is also increasing SS dmg and Evis dmg by 1% (in fact, again it's 1.08%-1.17% for autos but only 0.8% for evisc, the calculation for SS is a bit difference since it benefit from 30% addition crit dmg and there is a 2 roll table (need to take dodge in consideration) BUT even if you take all of that in the calculation, you still find that 1% crit is really close to 1% increase in overall dps. (around 0.97% probably less with end tier gear)
TL:DR Following thoose simple maths the AEP value (relative) of hit rating should be somewhere between 5 and 6AEP if 1% crit = 10AEP.

shadow tapir Oct 27, 2019, 12:03 AM

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https://github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table#weapon-skill

GitHub

magey/classic-warrior

Contribute to magey/classic-warrior development by creating an account on GitHub.

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Has glancing blow tests

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308 reduces it to 5%

frosty rover Oct 27, 2019, 12:04 AM

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if that's true it cannot make such a difference in AEP value for crit/hit (edit: in fact it even devalue hit rating even more since it increase the following coefficient)

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basically I'm using a hit table

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r4x6SpKKbTLyy7ciydaQ3ehPOzM0Y4DfCESZvGoVJOo/edit#gid=0

Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.

Create a new spreadsheet and edit with others at the same time -- from your computer, phone or tablet. Get stuff done with or without an internet connection. Use Sheets to edit Excel files. Free from Google.

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This give a coefficient that should be around 0.85-0.9 with current dunj gear

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your dps with autos is on average 0.85*sheet-dps

frosty rover Oct 27, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Btw I know you think I'm crazy but it actually change the BiS list by a large margin, as an example Truestrike shoulder are valued at 27 AEP but in fact it probably worth only at best 24AEP so that they are not especially better than shadowcraft shoulders. This lead to false BiS list and people keep trying to get thoose shoulder while they should probably aim for Shadowcraft shoulder to get 4p bonus etc... Not even mentionning guild loot council based on thoose said BiS list.

shadow tapir Oct 27, 2019, 1:14 AM

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Nah its good to test, Im just not smart enough to understand it

frosty rover Oct 27, 2019, 1:19 AM

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imma take some time to do (redo) all the job and we'll see

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:18 AM

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"large margin" "3 agility" o _o

shadow tapir Oct 27, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Brutality Blade yeeeees

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:48 AM

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yeee

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btw any preRaid BiS list for Rogues that doesn't include 6pc SC is wrong anyway >_>

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 2:49 AM

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bis lists in general are overrated

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:50 AM

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Not necessary, sure, overrated I dunno about.

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 2:51 AM

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u can have absolutely random dungeon gear and absolutely destroy MC a.k.a. target dummy raid

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:51 AM

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Yeah but that's not the point of BiS Lists really.

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 2:52 AM

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i mean you won't see huge difference between wowhead bis list, 6pc shadowcraft or some other variation

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:54 AM

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~25agi, will take my free passive consumable

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 2:56 AM

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HoJ owners, have you noticed some significant difference in dps?

drowsy phoenix Oct 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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I notice dark circle underneath me that counts as proc

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:57 AM

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lol

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Not counting my HoJ procs, no.

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 2:58 AM

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I have to sacrifice a goat tomorrow

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to rngesus

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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I wouldn't waste the goat.

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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im playing the role of goat usualy

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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heh

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 2:59 AM

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i gather 2 rogues and give them the trinket

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gave away 7 or 8 already

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Here print mine out

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robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 3:00 AM

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ty

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 3:00 AM

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It's in my bags, WHERE IT BELOOOOOOOOOOOONGS.

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 3:01 AM

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? but there is no better trinket ingame atm

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except situational ones

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 3:01 AM

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That's what the BRD spammers want you to think.

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 3:02 AM

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i mean I haven't seen any other good trinket

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maybe u can save my life

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by giving some alternative :D

shadow tapir Oct 27, 2019, 3:06 AM

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So is HoJ actually bugged?

neat sun Oct 27, 2019, 3:07 AM

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Some people swear it is, other people swear it's a Details bug

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 3:09 AM

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Even @ 2% in a 1min fight you get 1 proc.

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waow

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IF any at all

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wiw

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2 procs, if that.

loud tree Oct 27, 2019, 3:15 AM

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#teamnoHoJ

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Team 13% hit O_O

loud tree Oct 27, 2019, 3:15 AM

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yeet

shadow tapir Oct 27, 2019, 3:19 AM

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How long of a fight is that

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 3:22 AM

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1min, the fight duration I have to deal with.

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Outside of Rag I suppose.

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For now.

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But Miz, my Gandling PuGs take 5min to kill him!!

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

shadow tapir Oct 27, 2019, 3:25 AM

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lol

drowsy phoenix Oct 27, 2019, 3:32 AM

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AP good. need moar AP

errant timber Oct 27, 2019, 3:55 AM

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goes into classic knowing pvt server numbers are wrong

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some classic numbers are different

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"it must be bugged"

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okcool

shadow tapir Oct 27, 2019, 4:04 AM

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Well the trinket gives a very specific % chance

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Dont think it has to do with private servers

drowsy phoenix Oct 27, 2019, 4:22 AM

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it either works or it doesnt

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I like that it has AP, although I might as well just be running a counterattack lodestone if that's the point I'm standing by

dusk crystal Oct 27, 2019, 9:22 AM

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hmm, just got DM trinket book for 20g, cheap or not? XD

maiden cave Oct 27, 2019, 10:14 AM

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its 1.4g on my server

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the rogue one

dusk crystal Oct 27, 2019, 10:25 AM

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mmm ok

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guess not much farmers here

main igloo Oct 27, 2019, 12:16 PM

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how much does crit weight compared to attackpower? talking on skull mobs

main igloo Oct 27, 2019, 1:00 PM

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since 40% of hits on skulls cant crit (hit cap glacing blows) or am i wrong?

hidden basin Oct 27, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Will there be guilds raiding MC/Ony when BWL is released?

main igloo Oct 27, 2019, 1:58 PM

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some ppl still need t2head from ony so i guess

vocal hornet Oct 27, 2019, 2:27 PM

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@plucky nymph the scale of numbers in classic is bonkers. 1 free proc white hit per min. thats dog shit. Is your details breakdown still like 70% white damage?

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we have some rets and white was like 80. Seals clocking in <1 % and judge at like 8%. made me lol.

How about they literally just dont use anything, and consecrate more.

robust moon Oct 27, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Does hit chance lose its 1%=20AP value at some point? After soft cap.

past arrow Oct 27, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Does + defense work in pvp ?

dusk crystal Oct 27, 2019, 4:13 PM

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easy elven ring, bought off some hunter who solos tribute

civic crest Oct 27, 2019, 4:30 PM

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Damn that sounds like good gold for that hunter

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What did you pay for it?

dusk crystal Oct 27, 2019, 5:06 PM

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25g which i feel like isnt that much. due to how long can it take to get

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got another but lockout got fucked up

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hes gonna do more later 😛

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takes 20min to do solo, so its decent gold if he gets buyers

civic crest Oct 27, 2019, 5:09 PM

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It really doesn’t sound like a lot@

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Nice man

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I’d pay 25g for the ring

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My second one that is

echo wraith Oct 27, 2019, 5:46 PM

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anyone know what Winterspring E'ko is the best for rogues?

civic crest Oct 27, 2019, 5:51 PM

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All of them

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They’re basically better options then the consumables

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You have the attackpowwr one that’s better then the pot

echo wraith Oct 27, 2019, 5:51 PM

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they dont share a CD with each other?

civic crest Oct 27, 2019, 5:51 PM

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The Str one that’s better then a pot

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And the speed one that’s completely on its own

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I don’t think so no

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I use the str one and speed one every raid a lot

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The ap one is harder to come by because they drop of elites and I can farming them

echo wraith Oct 27, 2019, 5:52 PM

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yeah im trying to decide which to farm, been killing frostsabers for about an hour

civic crest Oct 27, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Also a little side note on them

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If you’re a raid of 40

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And 1 drops

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40 people will get it

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So it’s worth grouping up for them

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I’ve been using my gfs priest when she’s away to grind ekos to get 2 per drop

echo wraith Oct 27, 2019, 5:53 PM

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gotcha, sweet. thank ya

civic crest Oct 27, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Yw

dusk crystal Oct 27, 2019, 5:54 PM

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second elven if instance doesnt bug out XD

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 7:57 PM

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@vocal hornet Shit is mostly because fights are a minute, so low proc rate items are trash.

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Stabby boi:

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drowsy phoenix Oct 27, 2019, 8:15 PM

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both them bois gotta step up their instant poison VI game

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 8:15 PM

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No, we're Horde... weirdo.

drowsy phoenix Oct 27, 2019, 8:15 PM

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blegh

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/spit

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/hug

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 8:15 PM

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WERNDFURRY

fair carbon Oct 27, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Double poisons feelskek

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Imagine not having SWING TOTEM

drowsy phoenix Oct 27, 2019, 8:16 PM

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https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/30502010544105--0500531300301

Wowhead

Classic Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

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plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 8:17 PM

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Some of the shaman are having the free time to twist, so that's nice.

fair carbon Oct 27, 2019, 8:18 PM

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So you’d be better off just keeping Rune instead?

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Hit chance gang

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 8:19 PM

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That's what I am using as my assumption is that the DMG oddity is there as well and I'd rather the hit and -2AP over the free TWO attacks.

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waow

fair carbon Oct 27, 2019, 8:20 PM

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So in that case Seal vs Rune?

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 8:20 PM

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Yeah they're basically the same AFAIK.

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WTB BWL already.

dusk crystal Oct 27, 2019, 8:35 PM

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mfw people farm endlessly for HoJ FeelsOmgMan and its not even that good

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 8:35 PM

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It's fine o _o

torpid latch Oct 27, 2019, 9:16 PM

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is Dalrend OH better to use than Mirah's song with Thrash blade MH if i dont have Dalrend MH yet?

plucky nymph Oct 27, 2019, 9:21 PM

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no

torpid latch Oct 27, 2019, 9:24 PM

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ok thanks

fair carbon Oct 27, 2019, 10:34 PM

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Miz the people screeching about swing timers in my guild

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KEKW

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Should I tell them about the DPS difference? I doubt they’d believe the numbers

ember aurora Oct 27, 2019, 11:29 PM

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around what gear level do daggers become better dps than swords?

fair carbon Oct 28, 2019, 12:40 AM

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Good god the whole HoJ thing is still going strong in my guild

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fair carbon Oct 28, 2019, 1:03 AM

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Where did he pull that from either? How does added hit DR your other stats?

marble dune Oct 28, 2019, 2:11 AM

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i think he's just saying added hit % only increases white hits after a certain point (therefore DR'ed)

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meanwhile hoj proc scales off ap/crit

plucky nymph Oct 28, 2019, 2:31 AM

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My whites that don't miss also scale off ap and crit >_>

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and he's trying to say that 1% hit won't increase your DPS as much as 1% crit would (if they were similar to begin with), or AGI/AP/etc.

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Hilariously...

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These are my white hits against Golemagg;

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1% hit would net me literally +1 attacks on him, whereas HoJ probably would never have procc'd.

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This is all a coincidence but it is funny.

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SC 6pc over an MC clear only bosses.

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wraith parcel Oct 28, 2019, 2:38 AM

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What, out of 80 hits HoJ should've procced 1.6 times.

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But yeah, hit is very good

plucky nymph Oct 28, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Hit% causes HoJ to scale /mindblown

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and yeah, if fights were longer HoJ would be pretty good even @ 1%

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Due to the trinkets very low proc rate, there's almost too high a chance to never get a proc out of it.

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the fat procproc

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sharp grotto Oct 28, 2019, 2:51 AM

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My gear set that’s atleast simming the highest has 8% hit 5/5 talent and 3% from gear

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But don’t know if I want to use the HoJ I just got or rune lol.... the gain on spreadsheet true?

fair carbon Oct 28, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Good lord

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I’ll take Drake Fang Talisman for 500