#classic-discussion | Ravenholdt | Page 33

tough pilot Oct 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Literally what

calm temple Oct 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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did you read the chart correctly?

tough pilot Oct 7, 2019, 3:16 PM

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The starter set is build around ease of obtaining items

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@calm temple do tell how to "read" https://shadowpanther.net/armor-pve.htm

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where the greens are listed above eye of rend and mask of unforgiven

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for their "MAEP" values

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despite the fact that they are WORSE for your DPS

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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This escalated quickly! I’m learning tho

tough pilot Oct 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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https://shadowpanther.net/armor-sets.htm

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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it's really simple to see that shadowpanther has very wonky and misguided stat weights - you can still use it, just ignore the stupid greens that he has listed that are inferior to the blues

tough pilot Oct 7, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Idk what you're looking at

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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I'm looking at the page I linked.

tough pilot Oct 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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But that's not the bis list I use

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Well you linked a non bis list

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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That’s not what he’s talking about herm

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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good lord you're slow...

tough pilot Oct 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Wasn't this entire topic about bis lists lmao

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:19 PM

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He’s saying the maep values in the shadow panther item lists have greens being better than eye of rend

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No

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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when you just link the shadowpanther site, a lot of people will end up on the armor pve page that I linked

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and they will mistakenly think "hey those greens are really good"

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when they're not

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even @calm temple thought they were good when they're not

calm temple Oct 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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I mean, you should read his FAQ before taking into account what to use lol

tough pilot Oct 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Ah yeah idk. I figured most would just click bis and go off of that.

calm temple Oct 7, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Do the AEP/MAEP ratings on your charts factor in ability caps, like the Hit Cap?
No. If you're approaching the Hit Cap or any other cap, then you'll need to manually adjust for that when evaluating gear upgrades.

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as an example

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:21 PM

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except "hit cap" is also something that 90%+ of rogues get completely wrong

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the 6% "hit cap" (at 305 weapon skill) is what you need to never miss yellow attacks on raid bosses (+3 levels above you)

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hit % beyond that is still valuable

calm temple Oct 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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getting to yellow hit cap and white hit cap gives different amounts of AEP

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:22 PM

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it's not a cap, it's a minimum, if you have below 6% hit when raiding then you're insane

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you are never reaching "white hit cap"

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I appreciate shadowpanther for his page and link his levelling guide a lot (and the BIS page is fine, it's pretty much exactly the same gear as what I linked in the bis link I gave), but his armor-pve page is a mess and a half

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and his stat weights are outdated

calm temple Oct 7, 2019, 3:23 PM

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sorry meant white hits in general

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the armor pve page is fine, the weapon pages are concerning

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:24 PM

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"its fine" - it literally ranks green items as equal to eye of rend/mask of unforgiven

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that's not fine.

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:24 PM

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It’s still valuable but random hit items after getting the 9% for yellows start to lose value over other stats do they not?

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:24 PM

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Yes

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Yea I can’t seem to get damn eye to replace my mask lol

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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they don't lose much value at all if you look at actual DPS done @sharp grotto

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and again, with 305 weapon skill, the yellow "hit cap" is 6%, not 9%

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I know this

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:26 PM

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then why say 9% when 90%+ of raid builds have 305 weapon skill

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Because it is 9%

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Bc it’s 9%

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Just like you don’t say 1% is what you need

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Bc you get 5% from talents

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:28 PM

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except it's 6% for the majority of people who raid as combat

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:28 PM

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You argue for the sake of it

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Just stop

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Then it’s 1% in your logic

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:28 PM

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its 1% for the majority as ShockD pointed out

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Bc raid setups have the 5%

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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We will make sure to say 1% to everyone in here if they mention any other value

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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^

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:29 PM

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Pointless corrections lol

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Nickel and diming here

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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except a lot of people who have 305 weapon skill end up misunderstanding and think it's 9%

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because people don't clarify

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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And the people who dont know of the weapon skill?

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Youre just putting arbitrary rules on a social forum lol

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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would learn if you mentioned both!

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:30 PM

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We do

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Youre being silly

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:31 PM

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What is needed if you get Dagger gloves?

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Past 305 hit isnt affected

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Glancing blows are

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Er

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Well it is a very minor amount

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SOmething like .25% per?

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Got ya

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See that’s something I didn’t know

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:31 PM

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at 308 you reach the best you can get for glancing, the hit % you gain is a tiny amount so it's still 6% in reality

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:32 PM

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1%

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Remember

misty dirge Oct 7, 2019, 3:37 PM

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I have a question regarding Instant poison, when DW swords, why does MH proc about 3x as many time as OG? is there an internal CD or PPM involved?

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OH*

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Always wondered that lol I just marked it up as spamming abilities makes MH hit more often

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🤷🏽‍♂️

misty dirge Oct 7, 2019, 3:39 PM

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yeah, cause i was concidering skipping the DW Swords talent to get 5 points somewhere else, and have more options for OH. Then a faster OH would be kinda nice, but not if it's unable to proc

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5 points elswere, + much more procs cant really be far behind DW swords

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:40 PM

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Do you mean skipping Sword Spec?

misty dirge Oct 7, 2019, 3:40 PM

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yep

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the 5% proc chance for a white hit isn't all that much

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Well, do it on paper, take 5% of your melee attack and remove it from your logs

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I don't think its a good idea

misty dirge Oct 7, 2019, 3:41 PM

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yeah, i get that, but you would be adding that damage somewhere else

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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skipping sword spec is a very bad idea

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if damage is what you're after

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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I don't think any other 5 points can reach that level of damage. Sword spec is triggered by Ss and other stuff too, remember.

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 3:43 PM

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You get more poison procs on MH because you SS uses MH hits

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Which means more procs

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:44 PM

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Only time I would ever not get sword spec.... if I was picking up dagger spec lol

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You wouldn’t get any useful talents other than that for dmg tho

misty dirge Oct 7, 2019, 3:45 PM

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hm yeah, i kinda agree. I'm only speculating here. I guess the main benefit of skipping swords would be a wider range of offhand weapons

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Ummm still can use others but your MH will gain benefit of sword spec

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:46 PM

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You'd really gimp your damage doing that, just know that.

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:46 PM

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Yea

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 3:47 PM

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what you do prior to 60 doesn't really matter, I picked up sword spec late once I grabbed Thrash Blade, but at 60, sword spec is huge

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Do you guys know of any items that can improve stealth level? I know about the lv 42 LW boots, but am looking for more items for the other slots, do they exist?

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I believe there is a belt maybe? Or bracers I can’t remember fully

misty dirge Oct 7, 2019, 3:49 PM

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yeah, I'm getting to where i can get my BiS items, so just speculating and trying to plan ahead. Thanks for the inputs

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:49 PM

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The nightscape boots are the LW ones

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Yea when comes bis talents and such there is basically 1 path for swords for raiding and 1 for daggers it seems... outside of raids is when you can experiment

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Aye, there's also the boots from Darkmantle Set and Boots of Displacement from Naxx, not sure what stealth values they give, but just looking for stuff that will make me really, really hard to detect, if you know of any.

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Look into belts / bracers... I’m pretty sure I’ve seen them and trashed em.

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:52 PM

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Got any level range?

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:54 PM

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No sir :/ maybe good WoW stealth effectiveness items or something

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Found this - has some tbc stuff but think that's all of it. https://vanilla-wow.fandom.com/wiki/Stealth_(mechanic)

Vanilla WoW Wiki

Stealth (mechanic)

Were you looking for the rogue ability Stealth? Stealth is an ability that allows players or mobs to sneak around undetected. Most notably a rogue's ability, it is also available (as Prowl) to...

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Yea my favorite item that came out was the JC panther trinket

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Guess it’s only boots

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 4:30 PM

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./dump print(GetHitModifier()) doesn't take stuff like hit from weaponskill into account?

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Right? Because that stuff depends on targets level?

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 4:31 PM

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it doesn't, ye

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 4:32 PM

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Also, how much do you guys value hit % after 9%? Got a funky feeling the popular bis list are completely wacky, and I should equip stuff like Eye of Rend - Wyrmtongue Shoulders?

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 4:34 PM

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I still value it highly and consider it strong, the DPS spreadsheet confirms that - hit % is strong because when they made these items Blizzard undervalued hit % by a large amount

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So a lot of hit % items have a very high amount of stats for their level, because the hit % is undervalued on Blizzards end

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eye vs mask is super close and doesn't really matter

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but truestrike shoulders are a DPS upgrade for me over Wyrmtongue

formal cove Oct 7, 2019, 4:37 PM

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So I’m new to rogue, if we get the 5% hit from talents why do we still want the 9% from gear? Wouldn’t we only want 4%?

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 4:37 PM

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he means 9% total

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hit % is still valuable after that because it improves your white damage + raises your crit cap

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 4:39 PM

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14% hit and 24% crit unbuffed right now as swords.

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 4:39 PM

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14% is high, but not a problem - as you get raid gear it starts going down too, because it has less hit %

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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Yeah BF hood and NS spaulders will take it down a bit I guess. Accuria making up for it

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But not below 9% at any point

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Even with broken Devilsaur set

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 4:40 PM

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no biggie, even if you went below 9%, just don't go below 6% if you have 305 weapon skill

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accuria stronk, nice man

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I got BF hood yesterday, but Accuria will be harder, since a few fury tanks want it too

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and more threat on them helps raid DPS

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Nice, I don't have the ring yet, prio on tanks.

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If I made it sound like that.

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But some day!

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3ns and bf legs for me.

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 4:41 PM

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haha, I misunderstood

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3NS still hot

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if you get 5pc before p2, that would be sick ;p

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Definitely

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But all I care about, is bf hood and vis'kag + brutality, maybe Accuria so I can throw blackstone far, far away.

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How is your guild handling Quickstrike ring Hanbi?

winged crystal Oct 7, 2019, 4:45 PM

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stealth level doesn't really do much. it makes you less likely to be seen by enemies that are higher lvl than you but that's it. I wouldn't focus too much on that as we have a hard enough time killing enemies higher than we are

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 4:46 PM

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It's for.. niche stuff, not running around pvp'ing or pve'ing with it.

winged crystal Oct 7, 2019, 4:46 PM

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gotcha

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Yea I have 11% hit right now but will drop to 9% when I get rid of mask... but then can still be okay to even drop DS set if I came across better which is hard to do lol except aged core and BF

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 5:23 PM

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@silent burrow warriors first

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no quickstrikes for us for a while

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because its just a bigger upgrade for dps warriors

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sucks, but probably fair

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 PM

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Nope rolling on it.

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Too bad.

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 5:25 PM

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we've been doing 2x onyxia for a while, so I think we'll start getting ony necks on rogues pretty soon - not a big pve upgrade, but its really nice for pvp

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and the 1% hit is nice to actually get 5% in pvp without precision

silent burrow Oct 7, 2019, 5:38 PM

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We're doing rogue/war dps > everything else.

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After slapping one on mt.

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Ony head, that is.

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Sounds right.

empty salmon Oct 7, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Relentless Strike vs last point in Oppurtunity?

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as combat daggers*

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Both?

empty salmon Oct 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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You cannot get both 🙂

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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Sure you can.

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empty salmon Oct 7, 2019, 5:59 PM

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3/5 lethality

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oof

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:01 PM

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4% BS+Ambush DMG vs 6% BS DMG

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and SS if you find yourself in that position.

wraith oracle Oct 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Hey all, looking to help out the other rogues in my guild and want to make sure I provide them with some external sources to read up on. Outside of ravenholdt and this channel, what other sources would you all recommend to players of varying experience? The last thing I want to do is give them the equivalent of noxxic from way back

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Classic rogue disc, Shadowpanther

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Classic wowhead guides are good.

wraith oracle Oct 7, 2019, 6:04 PM

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Where would I be able to find a link to the classic rogue disc?

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 6:05 PM

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https://discord.gg/VgZPa6

wraith oracle Oct 7, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Thank you all of you for your help. It's very appreciated

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:07 PM

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NP

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OPP > Lethality

702 to 699 DPS

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It's not much, but it's there.

pale lark Oct 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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that dire maul though

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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yeboi

pale lark Oct 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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inb4 never getting ring

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:21 PM

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,<

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 6:37 PM

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Is ruthlessness > murder ?

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:38 PM

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For what spec?

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 6:38 PM

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You showed that dag spec

hushed laurel Oct 7, 2019, 6:39 PM

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DM hype, time to farm for quel 5ever

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Will load the sheet and see, I assume so otherwise the site would have changed.

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 6:39 PM

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Guess I’m MC murder is Garbo lol but anywhere else 2% seems good but prob not lol

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:39 PM

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this is what we have now

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Murder is very bad in MC yeah.

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with.

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Again, requires the right target.

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Otherwise you go down to ~705

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 6:56 PM

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So still higher? Even if not right mob type?

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Or did I read that wrong

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Not by an amount that matters.

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Yea I was sayin no reason to spec out of murder lol

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For me

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Since 5g is all I have haha... damn epic mount

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Yeah you're gonna do something to those types eventually.

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and it's a LOT of damage.

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:04 PM

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And it’s 2 talents points

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And it’s fucking molten core

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:04 PM

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Yeah.

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The raids are a joke.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:05 PM

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And also murder on onyxia so like 50% of the raid content it works on

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Dagger on ONY is even funnier considering your threat management requirements there.

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:05 PM

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Oh of you just pulling threat and dying

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Even with vanish

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Vanish seems fine now?

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:06 PM

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It’s gonna be so weird

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I've had it fully drop combat multiple times since the bug.

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:06 PM

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I might just hold up and wait for 5 sunders before going ham

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:06 PM

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You don't DPS unless the last 15 seconds of P1 anyway.

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and then stand around managing whelps and not getting roasted.

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unless == until

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Idk shit about classic raiding

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Shit's wack.

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and kinda boring.

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as melee.

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Rag == In and Out, stand over there and DO NOT DIE
Ony == SLOW DPS, OKAY ALL OF YOUR DPS, OKAY DON'T DIE, REPEAT

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 7:18 PM

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those rings from tribute runs will be nasty

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:19 PM

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To begin with, for sure.

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:22 PM

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I wish DM had a good mainhand dagger

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:27 PM

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You get Distracting Dagger though > _>

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Yea but my options for mainhand are memestriker, memeseeker, and barman’s

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:29 PM

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P E R I T I O N S B L A A A A D E

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But hey Barman's is good.

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I fucking don’t want to use barmans

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It’s a fucking bottle

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A BOTTLE

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 7:30 PM

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[9:05 PM] Crazy "2 Jointz” Muffin: Even with vanish``` never had that happen to me

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:30 PM

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It's got a bunch of pointy bits.

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 7:30 PM

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just vanish p3 onyxia, wait for tank to get it, go all out after

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:30 PM

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That's nice that it didn't, for a few hours that one day Vanish didn't drop threat just combat.

signal ember Oct 7, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I just pop evasion and keep hitting the boss

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coolpanda

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Just cleave the raid :3

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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thats fine too if you're in the right spot

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Their problem not yours.

signal ember Oct 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Tell the tank to aggro harder

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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rogue tanks are awesome on Onyxia, that's how I got my Vis'kag

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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WHY'D WE GIVE YOU ALL THAT GEAR EH?!

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THRAT MOAR

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 7:31 PM

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p1 is sketchy as fuck threat-wise, but p3 is easy once its on a tank

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can go ham then

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Ye.

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Once threat is settled you can just be an idiot and be fine.

willow kayak Oct 7, 2019, 7:44 PM

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I currently have engineering/skinning at lvl 45. Should I drop skinning for mining or herbalism if i'm going to pick up alchemy at lvl 60?

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 7:47 PM

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that depends, do you not want to use skinning for profit/your devilsaur set at 60?

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why do you have engi already? thats more common to pick up a bit later into 60, after you've sorted out other things

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:48 PM

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Skip devilsaur farm dungeons harder.

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and yeah Engineering is more commonly switched INTO @ 60 once you have the money to level it.

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Maybe after you have your Epic Mount as well?

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I’m grabbing devilsaur because apparently the time I have for classic is way less than I thought

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Depends on your luck and stuff as well.

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 7:55 PM

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And I won’t farm full pre bis before I just start raiding

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Cape of the black baron for example I probably won’t farm

willow kayak Oct 7, 2019, 8:20 PM

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@maiden cave Idk did i grab it too early :/

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 8:21 PM

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its not a huge deal, its just common to save it because then you can have 2 professions focused on money/stockpiling mats until you get epic mount

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then grab engineering for PvP when you're more "settled", you know?

willow kayak Oct 7, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Should I drop it?

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 8:21 PM

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how high is it?

willow kayak Oct 7, 2019, 8:21 PM

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i spent about 15g to level it to 160

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so far

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 8:22 PM

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shrug, your choice - I personally didn't care about professions until I got my epic mount, then I used that to powerlevel herb + mining, then I dropped mining for engineering so I'm herb+engi for the next long while

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but having skinning is not bad if devilsaur prices are high on your server

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you do what works for you, if you aren't gonna farm devilsaur then skinning isnt worth much

willow kayak Oct 7, 2019, 8:23 PM

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Isnt it super hard to get devilsaur skins because of the amount of people trying to farm it?

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 8:23 PM

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it can be

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again, varies per server

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I've got guildies who have farmed it pretty hard solo with no one around, then other servers you got devilsaur mafia out in force

willow kayak Oct 7, 2019, 8:25 PM

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Eh I guess ill drop engi. 15g isnt too much in the long run i guess

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I might just stick with mining/skinning until 60

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 8:25 PM

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again, your choice, just saying what I did :c can keep it too and drop skinning, but shrug

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sure

crisp briar Oct 7, 2019, 8:33 PM

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is there a pre-bis list with diremaul gear included? now that blizz said that's gonna be open next week

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 8:49 PM

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it doesnt change much

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its just bracers + rings

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and potentially some +dagger gear if you're dagger

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https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18375/bracers-of-the-eclipse https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18500/tarnished-elven-ring

Wowhead

Bracers of the Eclipse

This blue leather armor of item level 62 goes in the "Wrist" slot. It is looted from Prince Tortheldrin. Added in Classic World of Warcraft.

Wowhead

Tarnished Elven Ring

This blue ring of item level 61 goes in the "Finger" slot. It is looted from . In the Rings category. Added in Classic World of Warcraft. Always up to date.

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satyr's bow is nice too (faster atk speed than blackcrow, same stats) https://classic.wowhead.com/item=18323/satyrs-bow

vocal hornet Oct 7, 2019, 8:55 PM

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there are some +dagger mods right?

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apparently I only read the first 20% and last 20%

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sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 9:02 PM

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lol fuck me now my guild is dropping me from raid for the night bc they want to drop to 4 rogues instead of 5

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 9:03 PM

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F

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that's an odd choice, rogues are good dmg

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 9:13 PM

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?????

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It’s fucking MC and ony

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They have shady shit going on

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One of the rogues or one of the officers wants rogue loot

vestal spruce Oct 7, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Following the ShockD saga casually, it seems very apparent his guild does not like him much

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With the context provided

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Or that they don’t like him

vestal spruce Oct 7, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Which is a shame

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 9:14 PM

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Find a new guild immediately

pale lark Oct 7, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Man

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stonespine pls

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why u gotta be a dick and not spawn doe

robust moon Oct 7, 2019, 10:02 PM

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bullshit decision indeed

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 10:02 PM

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lul

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robust moon Oct 7, 2019, 10:04 PM

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maces is new meta

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stun boss to death

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Warriors think they have the market on everything

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 10:39 PM

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mace rogue best pve meta

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400g is pretty spicy for krol, though

shadow tapir Oct 7, 2019, 10:42 PM

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It wasnt 400g, not sure where he got that lol

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Just being a smarty

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 10:59 PM

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1% crit is worth like, 20AP, guys nuts.

sharp grotto Oct 7, 2019, 11:03 PM

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Lol I just noticed what y’all said lol!!

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The Shockd saga

hidden basin Oct 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

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what is better argent dawn or thrash blade for general use?

exotic trellis Oct 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Thrash I say.

hidden basin Oct 7, 2019, 11:15 PM

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5 dps increase vs extra attack on chance

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yeah i thought thrash as well

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what about cadavarous belt vs vosh'gajin strand?

plucky nymph Oct 7, 2019, 11:21 PM

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There are charts in the pins.

maiden cave Oct 7, 2019, 11:35 PM

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@hidden basin vosh is pretty crap

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+dodge is yuck

hidden basin Oct 8, 2019, 12:03 AM

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yeah good point

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and thanks i'll check the charts

vernal aspen Oct 8, 2019, 12:25 AM

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Lvl 40. Just grinding to level. Is there a spec that will help to endlessly kill mobs 1x1x1x1?

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 1:52 AM

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hmmm is it worth to break DS set? to use rend helm and Cad chest?

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oops i ment rando legs

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like cad legs and eye

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Wouldnt you just us DS set and eye?

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 2:01 AM

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to get 6pc i ment

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like use the SC gloves

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till i get the SC helm lol

worldly juniper Oct 8, 2019, 2:05 AM

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anyoneknow if the new MC/Ony BiS has changed with the 6% hit stuff

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 2:09 AM

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@shadow tapir you think its worth breaking the DS to get 6 pc?

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 2:10 AM

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I get what ur saying

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No I dont think so but cant say for certain

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 2:10 AM

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wish i had a way to sim them loll

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 2:11 AM

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Spreadsheet lets you

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 2:11 AM

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how do i work it lol.. and where

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never been good with spreadsheet

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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Rogue classic disc has a channel for dps spreadsheet, just download it and use the site

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Apparently the site is kinda rough

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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you got the classic disc?

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sry for buggin ya

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 2:12 AM

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https://discord.gg/auNura

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Youre fine

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 2:15 AM

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lol i click download and just sits there an empty box

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 2:18 AM

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Yeah not sure, never used it

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 2:56 AM

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it's sketchy

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sketch download on mediafire for the sheet, and apparently the macros only work in WPS, some chinese Office clone

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:x

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 2:57 AM

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ooo

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It works in Google Sheets just fine.

signal ember Oct 8, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Good $$$

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 2:58 AM

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last time I imported it, many of the talent cells weren't working properly. i'll check again

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Did you make the calculation changes?

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these

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dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 2:59 AM

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yeah 😦

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I get "Invalid:
Input must fall within specified range" when attempting to change things. like AR to 0, instead of 1

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 3:00 AM

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It breaks for me from time to time and just changing shit/refreshing it seems to work eventually.

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 3:00 AM

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xD

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I just wish they had their shit together like the warriors do, in fight club

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 3:01 AM

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I think so long I wait until the calcs are done after changing a setting before making another change, things seem fine.

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But the math is so simple that I just us my fucking brain.

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wtf happened to the fucking black dragonscale market

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Guess P2 stuff.

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 3:13 AM

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yea i cant gfet the damn sheet to work lol

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 3:15 AM

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Worf

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plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 3:15 AM

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noice

shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 3:17 AM

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100g to mount

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Still havent bought all my skills tho lol

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 3:18 AM

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lol

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 3:54 AM

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lol i still cant decide what i want to do

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gear wise

exotic trellis Oct 8, 2019, 4:29 AM

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D A G G E R S

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distracting dagger with DM release so

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 4:30 AM

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do we need that +6 dagger?

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would the AP and shit be better from scraping?

exotic trellis Oct 8, 2019, 4:33 AM

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distracting's better pre raid

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 4:34 AM

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bc of the +6?

exotic trellis Oct 8, 2019, 4:54 AM

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i think its +4

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and even then its still better

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glancing goes from 85% to 95%

random kraken Oct 8, 2019, 5:28 AM

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it's +6 according to atlasloot

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 5:31 AM

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I will just get ACLG instead of that

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And use scraper

exotic trellis Oct 8, 2019, 6:37 AM

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ACLG is in raid

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distracting is pre raid

maiden cave Oct 8, 2019, 7:19 AM

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@shadow tapir nice price!

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 8:27 AM

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maiden cave Oct 8, 2019, 8:28 AM

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Hickory Pipe poggers

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 8:29 AM

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i'm p sure i've bugged it out somehow, but hilarious either way

maiden cave Oct 8, 2019, 8:29 AM

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awesome haha

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 8:29 AM

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and i only did brd runs for like 2 days

stoic cairn Oct 8, 2019, 10:58 AM

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do we talk about gold

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https://i.imgur.com/B85FJyl.png

Imgur

maiden cave Oct 8, 2019, 11:07 AM

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we were mostly talking about Hickory Pipes, but you do you

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where are your Whipper Roots

stoic cairn Oct 8, 2019, 11:12 AM

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gonna start farming them before they remove layering. was busy with other stuff

winged crystal Oct 8, 2019, 11:51 AM

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that's a lot of devilsaur

heavy sage Oct 8, 2019, 12:06 PM

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@exotic trellis You'd go distracting dagger instead of Mugger's Belt?

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 12:18 PM

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@stoic cairn lol you just farm devilsaur all damn day?

stoic cairn Oct 8, 2019, 12:19 PM

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not all day but a few hours

maiden cave Oct 8, 2019, 12:22 PM

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just a few

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 12:24 PM

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lol just hve 12 pants and 10 gloves in bags and prob made alot more

winged crystal Oct 8, 2019, 1:14 PM

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screenshots like that make me realize how bad I am at this game

dusk crystal Oct 8, 2019, 1:45 PM

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How is it bad not having time to farm a lot of gold 🤔

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What are you gonna need all the gold for anyway

wraith parcel Oct 8, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Faps, lips and sappers i assume

hidden basin Oct 8, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Are there any new bis from Dire Maul?

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or at least pre raid bis?

vestal spruce Oct 8, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Bracers and rangs

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Bracers are bis and tarnished elven is bis for 1, pre bis for 2 if memory serves

marble dune Oct 8, 2019, 2:10 PM

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some ppl enjoy the AH/Economy game just as much as the game play

pale lark Oct 8, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Hickory pipe farm > Devilsaur farm

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 2:46 PM

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So is LBRS a good farm? Or should go somewhere else?

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Pick pocket wise

hidden basin Oct 8, 2019, 2:50 PM

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What about some other dungeon farm if you don't want to respec subtlety?

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like RFD or SM?

marble dune Oct 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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anyone have advice on tidal charm farming?

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Sacrifice goats.

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 4:29 PM

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Possibly children if you have any

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Or be lucky like bean

civic crest Oct 8, 2019, 4:46 PM

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On that note. A good brd route

pale lark Oct 8, 2019, 4:46 PM

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Legit, pray u see it dead

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so u can time it

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would rather see it dead then not see it

civic crest Oct 8, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Nearly hitting 60 and want to get my no brain farm on

vocal hornet Oct 8, 2019, 4:51 PM

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@stoic cairn thats more gold than I have on my main on retail.

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you rich

hidden basin Oct 8, 2019, 4:52 PM

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is fiery weapon OK for rogue?
instead of crusader as an alternative because i don't want to put crusader on thrash blade

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 4:53 PM

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You can get +4 Striking as well.

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+5 is basically the same as Crusader or +15Agility, +4 is probably what I would do.

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The cost difference between all of those Enchants and +4 striking is hilarious.

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vs

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hidden basin Oct 8, 2019, 4:59 PM

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looking good nice to see solid economic alternatives

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thanks for feedback

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 5:01 PM

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This reminds me to get it on my Mirah's Song for when I eventually have to use that damned thing again.

marble dune Oct 8, 2019, 5:03 PM

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i plan on leaving a lvl 1 alt near the spawn

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and check every now and then

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prob take me months

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i know it shares Dr with stuns tho, so does it share with CS or KS?

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 5:04 PM

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Don't recall.

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LUL

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shadow tapir Oct 8, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Used for twinks too so better get it before P2

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 5:17 PM

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ye

mighty hollow Oct 8, 2019, 5:30 PM

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@stoic cairn yeah we're talking about gold https://puu.sh/Eqftq/6bfb20338b.png

maiden cave Oct 8, 2019, 5:36 PM

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so many penises on display today

dusk crystal Oct 8, 2019, 5:41 PM

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ilvls in classic SucksMan

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 5:56 PM

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justbuygold:3

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dontfuckingdothat

marble dune Oct 8, 2019, 5:58 PM

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gold prices are insane ish

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$600 for 1000g

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 6:03 PM

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Ye

hollow marsh Oct 8, 2019, 6:07 PM

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did they nerf the droprate on the epic mage chest pattern? havent seen it in nearly 20 runs

pale lark Oct 8, 2019, 6:20 PM

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is that even worth farming

marble dune Oct 8, 2019, 6:49 PM

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i got mine on my 56th kill of pyromancer

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i usually only go at the end of a ubrs run since im already there

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and if youre geared enough, its efficient to kill 3 pyromancers in one run, as opposed to resetting after just 1 kill

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youll have to wait for vanish to come back up tho

raven snow Oct 8, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Is there any PVP focused build that's also ok in PVE?

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 6:59 PM

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Nope, maybe some dagger build?

raven snow Oct 8, 2019, 7:00 PM

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I reseted my talents to test the hemo build but it suck in pve

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What a way to waste 30 gold pepehands

plucky nymph Oct 8, 2019, 7:00 PM

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Yeah that wasn't smart.

pale lark Oct 8, 2019, 7:10 PM

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idk alot of ppl just play there pvp spec in pve lol

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if you have MC on farm w/E lol

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who cares

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if your farming dungeons still then ye then its a yikes

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 7:27 PM

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What’s the hit needed for pvp? 5%?

civic crest Oct 8, 2019, 7:32 PM

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Yup

sharp grotto Oct 8, 2019, 7:35 PM

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kk cool thanks

urban matrix Oct 8, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Phase one is memespec friendly anyways

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If your guild isn't full of mouth breathers

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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so has anyone gotten a BoE out of a lockbox? not just from the pickpocket itself

urban matrix Oct 8, 2019, 7:52 PM

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They are exceedingly rare in the junkboxes but they exist.

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Though the amount you'd probably need to open

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I just haven't heard/seen anywhere, but i've known multiple ppl to get them off of picking

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one day

urban matrix Oct 8, 2019, 7:53 PM

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tbh seems like someting not even worth trying to farm, maybe you'll get lucky maybe you won't

dry birch Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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of course, just seems like the loot table might not be what we think it is/bugged, but who knows

urban matrix Oct 8, 2019, 7:54 PM

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I've done 100s of hoj runs with my pals... nothing... yesterday I swap to my other account mage and join a brd and what do I see

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and a 55 rouge beat the 60 rogue in our group for it lol

dusk crystal Oct 8, 2019, 8:00 PM

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he smart

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farm it when still levelig

signal ember Oct 8, 2019, 8:33 PM

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that's my plan, to do much BRD as possbile at 55.

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so i can focus on ubrs/lbsr/strat/scholo

hazy dune Oct 8, 2019, 9:15 PM

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@marble dune tidal charm shares DR with kidney shot

pale lark Oct 8, 2019, 9:42 PM

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how ya lvl wep skill fast

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isnt there some immune mob u can hit

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forgot

loud tree Oct 8, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Servants in Blasted Lands

https://classic.wowhead.com/npc=7670/servant-of-allistarj#comments

Wowhead

Servant of Allistarj

Servant of Allistarj is a level 54 - 55 NPC that can be found in Blasted Lands. The location of this NPC is unknown. This NPC is the objective of The Stones That Bind Us.

past arrow Oct 9, 2019, 12:28 AM

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anyone know if instant poison counts as a spell, as far as spellcrit and hit are concerned?

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 12:31 AM

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Fairly certain it does, yes

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Because even at hit cap it misses

past arrow Oct 9, 2019, 12:32 AM

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i might use the mara sword, with spell crit as a crutch

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 12:32 AM

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the spell crit one?

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Doubt it out values vanq

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Might idk

past arrow Oct 9, 2019, 12:32 AM

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inventors focal sword

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i leveled maces because i got super cheap midnight maces to level, about to get thrash

wicked aspen Oct 9, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Quick question, should I get the dagger or sword from the SM quest chain? Been leveling with slow main hand and dagger in the offhand with no points spent on weapon spec yet.

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 12:48 AM

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Unless youre swapping to daggers get the sword

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Unless you have a MH thats better?

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Which at that point is only like BoEs or the mace from Cath

wicked aspen Oct 9, 2019, 12:54 AM

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oh yea my main hand is not that good

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thanks

radiant steeple Oct 9, 2019, 9:10 AM

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I've scrolled up for like a weeks worth of messages, but couldn't find any info. The WoWhead BiS list for raid gear has a TON of +hit. Is that a complete BiS list? Or does it make sense to swap out certain pieces if you've reached the total +9% hit total threshhold?

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 9:14 AM

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The yellow "hit cap" at 300 weapon skill is 9%, as you said. At 305 weapon skill it is 6%, due to the lower difference between WS and the Defense rating of the bosses. Hit % beyond that is still valuable because it 1) improves your white damage, which is the biggest part of your overall damage dealt 2) increases your crit cap.

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So you should not avoid hit % gear just because you are above the yellow "hit cap" - you should simply use the gear that gives you the highest DPS boost, which can still be hit % gear depending on the items.

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I'm at 9% hit right now despite only needing 6% to "hit cap" and I will happily go for 10%/12% in raid gear if Truestrike Shoulders would drop + picking up 2x Tarnished Elven Rings once DM releases.

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@radiant steeple

thorn vector Oct 9, 2019, 10:46 AM

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when reaching 11-12% hit, you can also start working on agility&crit% instead as they will give nearly the same value and might outperform hit% alone.

versed cedar Oct 9, 2019, 12:48 PM

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but calculating if its a gain or not is difficult :/

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 1:17 PM

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shouldn't overthink it that much, hit % remains a fine stat regardless

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 1:17 PM

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https://www.wowisclassic.com/en/talent-calculator/rogue/KZf6t-n6vSp-10UjenOna/ cant tell if this is the pvp build i want to go

WoWisClassic

Rogue : Talent Calculator for Classic WoW + Top rated build

This is the Official Rogue Talent Calculator for Classic WoW. Create, share and post your build to the community. Check out the list of top rated build PvE & PvP for Rogue.

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maybe not take Imp sap but go Serrated blades

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Can anyone confirm if the runecloth turn in quest is 50 or 150 rep?

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wowhead says 150 but comments say 50

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 2:11 PM

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150 first time i think... but 50 rest of the time

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 2:11 PM

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mmm darn

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Was wanting to get a tiger for my epic mount but thats like 800 gold worth of runecloth

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o well

winged crystal Oct 9, 2019, 2:27 PM

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i want a raptor but same situation haha

hushed laurel Oct 9, 2019, 2:53 PM

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Yah, getting a cross race mount is real expebsive

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Gotta retrain as well

winged crystal Oct 9, 2019, 4:33 PM

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i will probably just wait for the pvp mounts

tough pilot Oct 9, 2019, 4:41 PM

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Pretty sure PvP mounts take way longer to grind.

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Yeah but you're also running AV for other reasons.

tough pilot Oct 9, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Yeah def a more productive grind

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Also FEELS better.

ancient phoenix Oct 9, 2019, 4:44 PM

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I've been farming Meshlok on my 52 rogue for chest while I wait on friends for BRD.. Finally find him on 16th reset and he drops mail helm SucksMan

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 4:44 PM

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😐

ancient phoenix Oct 9, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Wondering if it's even worth at this point lol

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Don't think I'd replace until SC though

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 4:55 PM

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Lol I hate seeing the drop in crit / AP when I put on 6pc sc over the 4pc + DS + eye + cad chest lol

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 5:40 PM

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10g from epic mount woo

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 5:49 PM

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you go girl 🙏

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 5:50 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/flattered-stop-gif-5439847

Tenor

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Forgot these had that on them.

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shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 6:15 PM

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thats pretty

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Yup I can’t wait lol... prob helm/legs/gloves will be my 3pc

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I hope atleast

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 6:26 PM

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yeeee

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carmine lichen Oct 9, 2019, 6:32 PM

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Hey Guys, I've been looking around at some different builds people have been doing online. I've seen Sub being played in PvE with it being split between the Coldblood Hemmorage build and the 7/13/31 build. Not sure if this is where I should be asking since i'm new to the channel. But is anyone here playing Sub in PvE. I wanted to try something different then just Combat Daggers/Swords.

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 6:34 PM

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No.

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@shadow tapir WOOOOO

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Only 22 hours at 60 not bad

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Not many people will play sub in raiding and if they do its likely because theyre using it for pvp and not spending the hold to respec.

carmine lichen Oct 9, 2019, 6:38 PM

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Hmm okay. Our guild does World PvP for shit's and giggles untill the honor system comes out, and we are starting to invest into raiding now too. So I wasn't sure if doing a Hemmorage build with Combat would be better, or not.

winged crystal Oct 9, 2019, 6:39 PM

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you're better off going 1 or the other and not combining the 2

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otherwise you'll be suboptimal for both things, rather than just suboptimal for 1

carmine lichen Oct 9, 2019, 6:39 PM

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That's fair

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Do you know what would be the best talents to pick up for a sub build then?

exotic trellis Oct 9, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Just play combat daggers in PvP

fair carbon Oct 9, 2019, 6:44 PM

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2bluntz

exotic trellis Oct 9, 2019, 6:44 PM

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You kill someone every 5 minutes with AR

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LUL

carmine lichen Oct 9, 2019, 6:45 PM

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Lol

marble dune Oct 9, 2019, 6:48 PM

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so aids dueling warriors as horde

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bc every warrior is orc

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glad i dont have to face them in pvp lol

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anyone know if i prewotf a fear or seduce, will it still trigger DR even if im immune?

vocal hornet Oct 9, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Which one of you fuckers is this

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https://twitter.com/Crown_Mageiden/status/1181432875817869313?s=09

Mageiden (@Crown_Mageiden)

q8) https://t.co/gBwqujY1dr

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plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 6:56 PM

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I am me.

winged crystal Oct 9, 2019, 6:57 PM

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some rogue did that to me when I was picking up a quest item spawn

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then I chased and killed him

signal ember Oct 9, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I debated on doing that Noobe if I ever seen hordes that camped me while leveling.

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then I'd kill them after taking the leather.

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Bitches gonna learn to farm with their PVP trinkets on angery

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GANG GANG

limber pivot Oct 9, 2019, 7:53 PM

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any good resources or addon for hit and crit calc?

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 8:08 PM

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well that's the easiest thing to do in Classic.

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Stat calcs are fucked in game, countem up or look @ your attack icon for crit.

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formal cove Oct 9, 2019, 8:09 PM

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Did you go off a guide for cooking

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Yeah but it was just extremely basic stuff.

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Like I would look for the cheapest stuff to make and then make it.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 8:14 PM

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I should do that

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Probably makes good money if you buy cheap

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 8:23 PM

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There were some items that turned over to vendor fine, but it would have to be really low level stuff or very heavily farmed.

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Wait is that u in the video Noobe

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getting rekt

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 8:49 PM

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10:08 PM] Mizerok - Stalagg [H]: Stat calcs are fucked in game, countem up or look @ your attack icon for crit. mine seems fine tbh

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 8:50 PM

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They're not, hit calc for a lot of mods is very scuffed.

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This is most likely due to aura calcs. being fucked still though.

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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uhh

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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A rogue in guild has thought he has been missing a hit for last 2 weeks bc his addon says 8%.... but the admins don’t take weap skill into thought lol

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 8:54 PM

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they fixed the devilsaur bug if that's what you mean

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its been fixed for a while now

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its been fixed for a week exactly, the devilsaur and 2% hit items bug

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it does not happen any more

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 8:55 PM

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I've no DS.

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 8:56 PM

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What you run now miz

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 8:56 PM

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and even manually fixing the aura buff still made me "gain" 1% hit by removing Blackcrow.

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Same shit, nothing drops.

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 8:57 PM

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6 pc with eye/cad?

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Or what you got goin

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I’m just running 4 pc eye/cad/DS atm... I hate seeing how much AP I lose by swapping the DS shit lol

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Cad won't drop 😐

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Took me my 32nd run lol

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SC helm won’t drop for me

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AP takes a huge hit from dropping DS tho so it makes me worry haha... but I love eye / cad ... so I settle with all I use now

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:00 PM

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I will test 3-4 different stat displays in a moment.

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THESE SPRITE DARTER AREN'T KILLING THEMSELVES.

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Mizerok i dropped my SC 6 set now feelsbadman

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got 5 set NS

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 9:09 PM

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you poor thing

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:09 PM

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it was fun while it lasted

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the pog procs from 10 energy to 100

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 9:09 PM

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5pc NS before p2 begins, you're pretty set

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:09 PM

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y just need daggers now

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cba hemo

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 9:09 PM

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we've had 2-3 weeks of nearly zero rogue loot in MC

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v sad

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:10 PM

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all the rogues being sneaky going dagger spec to get prio on dagger

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cant do that cuz got viskagg lel

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Yeah spiking from 0 to 100 is O _O

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6% naked huh?

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hmmm

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requires a reload to "fix"

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what

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w u t

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Blackcrow seems whacky, Rune works fine.

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O_O ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Yeah likethat.

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Wacky.

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yeah same results every time, how weird

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seems to refresh the best, only requires a character pane toggle to be mostly right.

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and it's only being naked and trying ranged weapons that makes things really weird.

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 9:20 PM

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i mean the crit % helps offhand to

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but dagger has better chance to crit

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if dagger spec in combat

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i would just use dags

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it crits more so more dmg

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 9:25 PM

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gotta get that bonescraper, Lez

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or distracting dagger next week ;o

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:26 PM

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heeeeeeeck yeah distracting dagger

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:30 PM

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huh

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why is your 6% hit weird

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you are combat no?

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Naked?

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:30 PM

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precision and wep expertise

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Nah. Because I can then refresh the window and have 5%.

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:30 PM

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ohy

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Some addons have sticky hit stat calc for some reason.

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:31 PM

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ye since the hit% and all of them isnt an ingame thing

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the addons are weird

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same with set hit bonuses like devilsaur and cadav

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:31 PM

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I've gotten up to like, 11% hit with Ancient Bone Bow and no Devilsaur.

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I do not have 11% hit. lol

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Some addons require a consoleRefresh.

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The last one I posted seems to be accurate after you reopen the Character Pane.

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This oddity is also ONLY in regards to the ranged slot.

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Like I can replicate it right now, even with the best addon I've seen;

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Tjat

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That's right

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That's wrong.

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That's right.

sharp grotto Oct 9, 2019, 9:34 PM

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i use dejacharacter stats

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it seems to be right

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all the time

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:35 PM

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You can do the above if you have Blackcrow.

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:35 PM

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y i use deja aswell

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:35 PM

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The ranged slot is just weird without refreshing.

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Deja and w/e the fuck I use now seem 👌

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CharacterStatsClassic

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I like the way it looks more as well > _>

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:36 PM

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if u did have 11% hit though

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kek

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if it was legit

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:36 PM

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That was with some extended character stats thing or something.

pale lark Oct 9, 2019, 9:36 PM

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wouldnt be bad to be around 8-9 anyway most of the time

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:36 PM

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Deja or CSS seem to work well enough.

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With CSS, in my opinion, looking better.

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Reminds me of the updated Character Pane Stats, I think.

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16%, ezpz.

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wraith parcel Oct 9, 2019, 9:44 PM

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I've seen 3 people today

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With perd in offhand

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And a blue in mainhand

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:44 PM

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As Swords 🙏 ?

wraith parcel Oct 9, 2019, 9:44 PM

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No barman shankers

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Oh haha.

idle cove Oct 9, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Extendedcharacterstats i believe is the one im using for stats. Seems good

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:45 PM

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🔫

maiden cave Oct 9, 2019, 9:46 PM

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@wraith parcel dear lord WHAT

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you've got to be kidding

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tell the fuckers they're doing it wrong 😄

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 9:47 PM

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Is Barmans MH only?

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o _O

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it is.

drowsy phoenix Oct 9, 2019, 10:30 PM

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need that perdy felstriker combo

signal ember Oct 9, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Got my ring from mara, 25g including 5g for tip, took 3 carry run

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I'd say it well fucking worth it because all pugs that I was in always fall apart right at Princess.

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 10:53 PM

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1hr to ONY buff on Stalagg.

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 11:00 PM

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Any insight on goblin vs gnomish engineering?

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Doesnt seem like theres a huge difference. Some utility trinkets vs different explosives but I might be missing something

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Gnomish to cap, reroll to cap for Goblin.

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 11:01 PM

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Then I gotta relevel it dont I?

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Cap is usable by any engineer so think Id just need to buy it anyway

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That makes sense though, goblin has the things Id need to keep making into the future

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 11:39 PM

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ONY Head 2min Stalagg

drowsy phoenix Oct 9, 2019, 11:40 PM

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stalagg fed ony head to master, no buff

terse goblet Oct 9, 2019, 11:41 PM

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Is it worth it breaking the devilsaur set to use core leather gloves if i'm daggers?

drowsy phoenix Oct 9, 2019, 11:42 PM

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honestly I have no clue how 2% hit is in comparison to +5 daggers lol

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 11:43 PM

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casual ORG

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terse goblet Oct 9, 2019, 11:43 PM

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Yeah that's the issue i'm having.
No idea how 2% hits compares to +5 daggers

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 11:43 PM

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+5 daggers is worth 2% hit if it's the first 5 added weapon skill.

terse goblet Oct 9, 2019, 11:44 PM

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so assuming i have no other +5 to daggers it's worth?

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 11:45 PM

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It will be worth 3% hit, 2% from bunk math, 1% from removing the hit suppression by being under 10 weapon skill difference from your target.

drowsy phoenix Oct 9, 2019, 11:46 PM

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so <= 10 under is the suppression range and not 15?

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 11:47 PM

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More than a 10 skill difference between your weapon and the target's defense gives you the penalty

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So a 63 target and 300 skill

terse goblet Oct 9, 2019, 11:47 PM

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What are the benefits to going over 305? if any

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Little bit of hit, removes some glancing blow damage

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Or rather removes some glancing blow deduction to your hits

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 11:50 PM

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308 reduces the Glancing Blow damage reduction penalty to 5%.

terse goblet Oct 9, 2019, 11:52 PM

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so does picking up the belt from DM (+5 daggers) and core gloves become less value?
Should i just stick with core gloves

shadow tapir Oct 9, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Pretty sure you can remove them altogether

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not positive though

drowsy phoenix Oct 9, 2019, 11:52 PM

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it's 2% hit vs +10 proficiency at this point

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although idk the stats on the belt

plucky nymph Oct 9, 2019, 11:58 PM

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General Math

10 Agility = 10 Stamina = 20 Strength = 20 Attack Power = 1% Crit

drowsy phoenix Oct 10, 2019, 12:03 AM

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guess it's close to cloudrunner, I cant figure out exact numbers with the hit stacking to 305/310

plucky nymph Oct 10, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Don't worry about it after 305, IMO.

terse goblet Oct 10, 2019, 12:06 AM

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@plucky nymph what's the mod you're using that flags items as p1 raid bis

plucky nymph Oct 10, 2019, 12:06 AM

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Atlasloot

terse goblet Oct 10, 2019, 12:06 AM

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oh is that you favouriting it?

plucky nymph Oct 10, 2019, 12:07 AM

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Yes

terse goblet Oct 10, 2019, 12:07 AM

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ah kk

plucky nymph Oct 10, 2019, 12:11 AM

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It's just a big item list now though

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odd siren Oct 10, 2019, 5:52 AM

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Any arguments either way for Nightslayer wrists vs DM ones?

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theyre absurdly close dps wise, is the stam worth wearing?

maiden cave Oct 10, 2019, 6:16 AM

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@odd siren I'll pick up NS bracers only for PvP with 5pc NS

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since they're so close

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definitely not something you should care too much about if you mostly want pve dmg upgrades

odd siren Oct 10, 2019, 6:23 AM

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i mean im sure we've all been randomly one shot by MC trash enough to value stam at least a little right? guess not for parsing tho

maiden cave Oct 10, 2019, 6:40 AM

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definitely value Sta, but also just a lot more careful on trash mobs lately, don't want to lose wbuffs ;p

odd siren Oct 10, 2019, 6:40 AM

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ive been shooting the 4 mob packs with my bow lol

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worth it for my harbinger parse this week tho

wind lantern Oct 10, 2019, 9:14 AM

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free Hong Kong

main mesa Oct 10, 2019, 9:48 AM

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hey guys quick question, my guildies told me that rog need more than the soft cap 9% for the white hit, while im sitting here with around 8% hit rate from gear and 5% hit rate from talent in total of 13%, is it the correct stuff that im doing? or jst aim for 9% hit rate total, currently doing pre bis gearing and only around 6 pre bis gear

maiden cave Oct 10, 2019, 10:08 AM

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@main mesa either approach is fine, as long as you're using pieces that provide you great DPS.

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also, yellow hit cap is 6% if you have 305 WS, 9% for 300 WS

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I'm at 9% hit right now despite only needing 6% to "hit cap" and I will happily go for 10%/12% in raid gear if Truestrike Shoulders would drop + picking up 2x Tarnished Elven Rings once DM releases.

main mesa Oct 10, 2019, 11:07 AM

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I see, i thought that i better look for crit chance/agi/atck pow gear if i alrdy have 9% hit cap

maiden cave Oct 10, 2019, 11:15 AM

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you should always just look for the best items, people get some weird idea that they need to avoid all hit % just because they're above the yellow hit cap, that's wrong

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but I'm not telling you to use rune of the guard captain over Hand of Justice

sharp grotto Oct 10, 2019, 3:06 PM

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I gave up farming HoJ... fuck that lol...

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And I’ve passed on last 3 pairs of truestrikes bc I don’t want them or care to have them really... rather use SC 4 pc, DS set, eye/cad chest.. I could manage to lose DS set to go 6 pc but I hate seeing AP take such a hit lol

marble dune Oct 10, 2019, 7:03 PM

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out of all the "pre raid bis" items to farm

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hoj is prob the most imporant

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everything else can be replaced easily by mc epics

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except hoj..

plucky nymph Oct 10, 2019, 7:08 PM

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and it's the dumbest.

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So.

hushed laurel Oct 10, 2019, 7:32 PM

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One of our warriors got a BRE out of a pug, so HoJ is bis for him until... TBC nerfs it

plucky nymph Oct 10, 2019, 7:42 PM

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someone made one > _>

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terse bronze Oct 10, 2019, 7:54 PM

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is there a way to decrease pickpockets chance of resisting? like hit or spell hit?

pale lark Oct 10, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Pog bag

bronze bough Oct 10, 2019, 8:44 PM

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evening

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is the fast offhand thing how crucial in classic? like, if i would get dalrends mainhand and use thrash blade oh for the proc or is the poison application so much more valuable ?

plucky nymph Oct 10, 2019, 8:51 PM

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OH poison procs aren't the end of the world.

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Go get Mirah's Song though.

bronze bough Oct 10, 2019, 9:19 PM

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yeah, i just got mirah's

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was just wandering about that thrash-proc how much is it worth

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i have 6pc shadowcraft and HoJ

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wondering even

civic crest Oct 10, 2019, 9:38 PM

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Is hoj that good for dagger rogues too? Or just really good for sword rogues

shadow tapir Oct 10, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Should be similarly good since it’s a flat chance to proc

formal cove Oct 10, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Think its better for swords cause sword specialization talent

tough pilot Oct 10, 2019, 9:52 PM

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is good for daggers as well, especially since there arent any better trinkets in p1

shadow tapir Oct 10, 2019, 9:59 PM

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Can it proc off of sword spec procs?

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Would make sense its better for swords then yeah.

fair carbon Oct 10, 2019, 10:09 PM

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It can proc off any weapon swing

shadow tapir Oct 10, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Hmm I thought they prevented weird infinite procs like that. Might have just been windfury though

fair carbon Oct 11, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Windfury can proc itself

shadow tapir Oct 11, 2019, 12:15 AM

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It can but it was nerfed at the patch classic is based

lilac pawn Oct 11, 2019, 12:42 AM

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hey, for combat sword rogue, in the offhand a sword for the sword specialisation procc or a fist weapon with 5dps more and a bit more max dmg

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?

signal ember Oct 11, 2019, 2:31 AM

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Your offhand with sword can proc passive talent, so even if its 5 dps less, it could still be better

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especially if your offhand sword is fast

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Mirah's Song is easy to get.

plucky nymph Oct 11, 2019, 2:33 AM

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Free basically, and very good.

signal ember Oct 11, 2019, 3:39 AM

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I don't know how 60s are so bad or classic rogue are just strong as f, I'm just killing 60s like nothing and I'm only 55.

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and I only gank if provoked.

civic crest Oct 11, 2019, 3:48 AM

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I just figured because a weapon swing from a dagger is less strong then one of a sword. Making the trinket a bit less good

old stone Oct 11, 2019, 5:41 AM

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Yesterday was a good day, a random druid whispered me for 3 man angerforge stealth runs, HoJ dropped on the 2nd run and I won, on the 4th one another one dropped and he won it. 2/5 HoJ is pretty outrageous but finally got it

wraith parcel Oct 11, 2019, 11:19 AM

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Iirc windfury cant proc on itself in 1.12

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It can however proc of other procs, so you can go wf > hoj > swordspec > wf, but not wf > wf

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But im not 100% sure as im not playing horde atm

fair carbon Oct 11, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Ah I see. It has an internal cooldown. Eleem is right

winged crystal Oct 11, 2019, 11:43 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/shame-pity-reload-shotgun-gif-5160379

Tenor

main mesa Oct 11, 2019, 12:57 PM

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guys better belt between the cloudrunner from ubrs or cavaderous belt from scholo? saw both being a bis in several different site

shadow tapir Oct 11, 2019, 1:00 PM

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Damage wise probably cloudrunner

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But you lose 14 stam

rare venture Oct 11, 2019, 1:01 PM

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I guess it probably depends but if you're low on hp, I'd probably go with cadaverous tbh. If you're dead you can't do dmg 🙂

main mesa Oct 11, 2019, 1:18 PM

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ic thanks guys

vocal hornet Oct 11, 2019, 1:21 PM

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@signal ember re pvp vs rogue. i recall.. spell pushback, and low armor value of cloth. Our warlock got beat by a naked rogue with maces. so yeah, enjoy making people cry. Wish i was there with you.

molten grail Oct 11, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I was talking to a buddy and he said picking up Improved poisons is worth it for a sword build. Is it?

sharp grotto Oct 11, 2019, 2:40 PM

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What would you drop to get it

maiden cave Oct 11, 2019, 2:56 PM

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@molten grail don't agree

molten grail Oct 11, 2019, 3:32 PM

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He was saying to drop Lethality but yeah I thought it was a odd choice, figured I'd ask here

sharp grotto Oct 11, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Lethality IMO is huge dmg

shadow tapir Oct 11, 2019, 4:09 PM

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So I was looking at classic rogue disc's pvp daggers build here
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fGx0oxZGcM0bZVMjcc0R

But I wanted to see about getting CB too. So like this.
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fGeboxzZGcZVMjcc0o

Giving up Dirty Deeds, Precision, and Imp Sprint for Murder, Ruthlessness, and CB. I dont feel like Dirty deeds or precision are that huge assuming Im hit capped from gear however Imp Sprint sounds iffy. Thoughts?

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Figure Id open with Ambush a lot so DD could be less useful

tough pilot Oct 11, 2019, 4:46 PM

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I always tell this to people about talents. You can set up your own stuff how you want. But due to the game being as old as it is, we know the most viable talents already. So it comes down to do you want to be viable to the max, or play how you wanna play.

fringe spindle Oct 11, 2019, 4:46 PM

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herm

tough pilot Oct 11, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Oh snap what up lol

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Also tawney no improved Sprint in PvP sounds like self torture just fyi

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You can also go passed hit cap, it's actually not bad.

shadow tapir Oct 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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For pvp? Dont think its that important

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Imp Sprint is definitely the big loss there

tough pilot Oct 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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I mean would you like to hit more white hits?

shadow tapir Oct 11, 2019, 4:53 PM

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In a vacuum? sure. Thats not what this is though

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Im not saying its bad

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Person who made the build even specified its unnecessary if youre at cap. Other talents are definitely more valuable

halcyon wadi Oct 11, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I am lvl 40 switching to a mace build from daggers... https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/30502-32005501000401 looks right?

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not mace specific, just happens to be a mace in my MH

plucky nymph Oct 11, 2019, 7:05 PM

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No you're level 40 get AR

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Weirdo.

signal ember Oct 11, 2019, 7:07 PM

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@vocal hornet I was mainly fighting rogues/warriors/druids.

nimble seal Oct 11, 2019, 8:46 PM

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There is no reason to not have the fifth point in OH damage, instead of Sprint CD reduction, or removing impairment effects (LOL)

outer dirge Oct 11, 2019, 8:48 PM

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imp sprint is way more valuable

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im guessing you dont play on a pvp server

plucky nymph Oct 11, 2019, 8:49 PM

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The minor increase in OH damage will never be seen /shrug

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Even for PVE breaking nets and shit is worth it.

outer dirge Oct 11, 2019, 8:50 PM

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100%. so many nets and novas etc. imp sprint is amazing

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(LOL)

marble dune Oct 12, 2019, 3:00 AM

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it’s pretty much which classes do you prefer to have an advantage vs

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One could argue cold blood is extremely helpful early on Bc low health pools

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you would absolutely rekt priest and warlocks with cold blood (also imp sprint doesn’t do much vs them)

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but get owned by mages without imp sprint

spark raptor Oct 12, 2019, 8:19 AM

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Reminder priests pvp trinket breaks stun

cyan cliff Oct 12, 2019, 9:51 AM

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which profession would you consider better for making money and general usage alongside engineering - mining or enchanting?

dense aspen Oct 12, 2019, 11:46 AM

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I'm considering dropping Herb for Enchanting just for the DE mats

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The competition picking herbs is rife and most are worthless

spark raptor Oct 12, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Enchanting is decent if youre lazy

dense aspen Oct 12, 2019, 11:51 AM

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Not so much lazy, but not got the time just to go out farming herbs really

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Black Lotus isnt really selling much and I found ONE in my entire time in the zones which spawn them

spark raptor Oct 12, 2019, 11:52 AM

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Did you try ghost mushrooms in maraudon?

dense aspen Oct 12, 2019, 11:52 AM

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I've seen the Mara Ghost Shroom farms but at least DEing I can do while farming BiS/Other gear

spark raptor Oct 12, 2019, 11:52 AM

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On private servers you could enter (dont remember which entrance), gather, reset repeat

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Yeah but once you have the gear, how many dungeons will you be running

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For boe you can justmake a lvl 5 disenchanter

hollow halo Oct 12, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Question for everyone regarding hit/crit cap in pve. Does improved backstab suffer from crit cap restrictions? i.e. do you require hit above 6% (with 305 weapon skill) to take full advantage of imp backstab? I'm curious if hit above 6% would still be worth stacking because of this or if it would be better to take agil/ap/crit.

maiden cave Oct 12, 2019, 3:17 PM

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yellow attacks don't glance, so they're very hard to be crit capped on - the 6% hit you are talking about is about not missing yellow attacks, not necessarily crit cap

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its fine to still have hit % beyond 6%, it improves your white damage

ember verge Oct 12, 2019, 5:28 PM

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So for Classic PvP, i'm stuck between dwarf or gnome (Alliance)

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Any thoughts?

cyan cliff Oct 12, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Dwarf

tough pilot Oct 12, 2019, 5:34 PM

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Dwarf and it's not even close.

sharp grotto Oct 12, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Gnome

rapid night Oct 12, 2019, 6:34 PM

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Could someone give me a tldr on the approach for combat swords MH swing timer? (The general rule for timing/waiting)

Doing some research and want to ensure I understand 🙂

plucky nymph Oct 12, 2019, 6:36 PM

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Don't use them as a Rogue, ezpz.

The general idea is that the Swing Timer is used to make sure you are resetting your MH swing timer as close to the beginning of your Swing Timer as possible so that you spend less time winding up your swing.

Anything that will proc Sword Specialization will reset your Swing Timer.

ember verge Oct 12, 2019, 6:37 PM

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So then I'm assuming the general consensus for best Alliance PvP rogue race would be Dwarf then (I hear this online as well as on here and logically it makes sense since Stoneform enables easy restealths)

plucky nymph Oct 12, 2019, 6:38 PM

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That entirely depends on what you are doing and who you are fighting.

We've solutions for what Escape Artist does as well, but cannot remove the DoTs like Dwarf can.

How important this is also depends on what kind of content you are doing, as re-opening on a target might not be feasible in certain cases.

sharp grotto Oct 12, 2019, 7:05 PM

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I’m horse but if I was alliance I would be gnome 100%... roots and slows too strong

red badger Oct 12, 2019, 8:11 PM

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When I get mirah's blade should I still mainhand thrash blade with that in the oh? or vice versa

maiden cave Oct 12, 2019, 8:12 PM

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thrash + mirah, yup, thrash MH

dense aspen Oct 12, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Thrash and mirah until the end of time

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Getting depressing now!

minor sandal Oct 12, 2019, 8:28 PM

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SC4 piece ( boots, belt, wrist, helm ) vs mask/eye, cloudrunner, dread wolf boots and deepfury bracers?

split ore Oct 12, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Whichever is easiest to get tbh

minor sandal Oct 12, 2019, 9:01 PM

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But i have both

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so i was just thinking

fathom bloom Oct 12, 2019, 9:13 PM

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Anyone know how to make a macro for casting Blood Fury and Blade Flurry at the same time?

gritty goblet Oct 12, 2019, 9:46 PM

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/cast blood fury /cast blade flurry

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ecks dee

stable wave Oct 12, 2019, 9:46 PM

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probably a stupid question. if im playing swords but get a dagger with better dps, is it worth putting it in OH?

gritty goblet Oct 12, 2019, 9:46 PM

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nope

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i mean it depends on how better

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but the difference should be really significant

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for the dagger to be better

stable wave Oct 12, 2019, 9:48 PM

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so i got a 18.9 dps sword , a 13,9 dps one and a 17.7 dps dagger (lv 30 gear)

gritty goblet Oct 12, 2019, 9:49 PM

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it doesn't matter then since you don't have sword specialization

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so use a staff in the oh for all you care

stable wave Oct 12, 2019, 9:51 PM

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ok, thanks

shadow tapir Oct 12, 2019, 11:29 PM

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Wonder if two geared rogues could two man General Angerforge and sell HoJ drops

dense aspen Oct 12, 2019, 11:37 PM

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Rogue and Druid can do it easily

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Potentially 2 rogues sharing Evasion tanking and blowing CDs

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Drop rate is too low for sell runs IMO though

shadow tapir Oct 12, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Yeah true about the drop rate

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Dagger options are so slim in this phase

drowsy phoenix Oct 13, 2019, 12:14 AM

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perdy felstriker just rip it

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 12:15 AM

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lol i wish

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 1:16 AM

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perdy CHT

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 1:18 AM

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Not really raiding unfortunately

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Maybe will find a pug one day

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Shadowfoot stabber/Bonescraper might be decent

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Barman's/Bonescraper

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or Barman's/Distracging

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 1:31 AM

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I think Barman's is too big of a liability in pvp

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All Im worried about

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 1:35 AM

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then drop 600g on a heartseeker

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LUL

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Yep lol

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Guess Hemo sword is the best option til I get Perd

manic hound Oct 13, 2019, 3:16 AM

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If I'm in combat and have combo points on a mob, and then distract another target not in combat, I lose the combo points on the current target. Is that the intended interaction?

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 3:20 AM

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Not sure but I assume its counting you as attacking them. Pretty annoying.

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 3:35 AM

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You have to "target" the thing you are distracting.

manic hound Oct 13, 2019, 3:35 AM

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Interesting! Thank you for confirming!

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 3:54 AM

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its the same as you BF'ing another mob

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actually

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thats not the

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weird as shit

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if you dont swap targets

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idk

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TOTALLY sounds like a bug or an unintended interation

drowsy phoenix Oct 13, 2019, 4:00 AM

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BF is a single-target short-range AoE spell

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therefore you get to keep combo points

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 4:34 AM

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If the target you have CP on is in the Distract then you dont lose CPs

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is odd

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 7:15 AM

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I lost combo points using Iron Grenade on another pack of mobs while focusing one (that didn't get naded) too

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kinda annoying, heh

heavy sage Oct 13, 2019, 9:38 AM

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@shadow tapir Tried two-manning it with another (mostly) MC geared rogue (I've got like 6 raid pieces, he has 7). We got a few kills but not consistently, though all wipes were sub-10% so a bit more gear would do it. Only problem is HoJ droprate being 3% or whatever so sell-runs wouldn't be worth it, as you'd have to charge a ton to make the time investment vs droprate worth it.

radiant yew Oct 13, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Hello and good evening everybody, i've been farming the Cadaverous Armor chest for a while now and it wont drop whatsoever, today i got a leather piece from Scholomance again the last boss chest piece called Tombstone Breastplate, im currently equipped with a 24 agility 5 strenght greeny and i was wondering if its worth replacing the green chest for 2% crit...Greeny is called Traphook Jerkin, any thoughts?

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 12:29 PM

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@radiant yew I'd use tombstone over that green, sure

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but don't stop farming for Cad chest or SC chest

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(if you want 6pc SC, since it's very good)

radiant yew Oct 13, 2019, 12:30 PM

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I do have molten core pieces, just that i havent gotten any decent chests yet.

radiant yew Oct 13, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Thank you tho @maiden cave

tall current Oct 13, 2019, 2:18 PM

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How long is the Devilsaur set BiS for? Is it worth buying if I'm raiding already?

calm temple Oct 13, 2019, 3:00 PM

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depends on the price but its a pretty good dps increase

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if you get the t1 gloves/legs already it doesn't matter much then

drowsy flare Oct 13, 2019, 4:10 PM

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t1gloves+t2legs beat devilsaur out, but not by much

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 4:15 PM

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yeah its only when you have both that devilsaur loses

ocean parrot Oct 13, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Is a fast dagger in off hand bad?

signal ember Oct 13, 2019, 6:02 PM

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Not at all

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You ideally want a fast OH with high dps on it

ocean parrot Oct 13, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Perfect thank you

clever kayak Oct 13, 2019, 7:31 PM

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Keep in mind if you are sword spec you lose some dps tho

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Because your offhand won't proc mainhand double strikes

drowsy phoenix Oct 13, 2019, 8:18 PM

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I thought OH could only proc OH strikes

tall current Oct 13, 2019, 8:39 PM

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I currently have Dire Nail of Power in my OH Slot. A gutgore ripper just dropped.. is that actually an upgrade or do the lack of stats make it trash

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 8:42 PM

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Gutgore has like TWICE the bottom end...

tall current Oct 13, 2019, 8:45 PM

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13dps more

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but 22 less AP

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 8:46 PM

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its a massive upgrade for you

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for mainhand

wraith parcel Oct 13, 2019, 8:47 PM

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14 AP = 1 wdps

sharp grotto Oct 13, 2019, 8:48 PM

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how id OH dmg calculated? do we need more hit for it to be better or how does it work really

tall current Oct 13, 2019, 8:55 PM

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It'd be for my OH. i have Ironfoe in my MH (lol)

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 8:57 PM

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wtfareyoudoing...

tall current Oct 13, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Dinged 60 yday. Gotta go with what I get, right? 🙂

fair carbon Oct 13, 2019, 9:31 PM

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omegalul

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Thrash Mirah’s

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Should have had that by 60 already

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Yep.

hushed laurel Oct 13, 2019, 9:34 PM

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Wonder if anyone else needed ironfoe in the group PepeHands1

tall current Oct 13, 2019, 9:55 PM

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nope. FFA roll

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 9:58 PM

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what's the hard hit cap for humans?

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when hit is becoming useless?

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 10:02 PM

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@robust moon the "hard hit cap" is like 24-25% at 305 skill, not something you will get

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the yellow hit cap is 6% @ 305

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 10:03 PM

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so extra hit rating is kinda always useful?

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 10:03 PM

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sure, it improves your white dmg + raises your crit cap, bu don't take it over an equal amount of crit %

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balance your stats

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 10:04 PM

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im just thinking if its worth buying devilsaur set

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(crafting)

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 10:04 PM

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its pre bis

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 10:04 PM

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ikr

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 10:04 PM

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so like

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 10:04 PM

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its the best set before you start raiding - whether you think thats worth the gold is up to you

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 10:04 PM

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and you can get it whilst levelling

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its only like 200g on my server

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 10:05 PM

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and it needs both BF pants + NS gloves to replace (1 piece is not enough)

exotic trellis Oct 13, 2019, 10:05 PM

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100% worth it

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 10:05 PM

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im just waiting on good moment.. cuz atm on my server AH flippers go nuts

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~500g for set and 24g per 1x devilsaur hide

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gonna wait few days

maiden cave Oct 13, 2019, 10:06 PM

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yeah dont bother for now then

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thats nuts

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 10:11 PM

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Hows shadowfoot stabber as a MH for a pvp dagger build?

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I know its no heartseeker but only 30g

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 10:16 PM

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does anyone know Shadowcraft 6set bonus proc rate?

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Skip Devilsaur, ezpz

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 10:19 PM

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nah, I'm gonna get it as soon as devilsaur leather prices go down

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all im missing is just 14x leather

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Just don't, there's not point, you don't need 4pct hit.

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Does respecing cost cap?

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 10:20 PM

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50g I think.

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or 100, whoknows

shadow tapir Oct 13, 2019, 10:20 PM

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ugh

robust moon Oct 13, 2019, 10:20 PM

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25g afaik

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is cap

plucky nymph Oct 13, 2019, 10:21 PM

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SC 6pc returns from Strat_UD - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/494574420854308884/628032328740110387/unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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AEP = Raw Stats Calc.
MAEP = Pure DPS Calc. (Stamina removed from weight)

calm temple Oct 13, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I'll pay about 180 for my Devilsaur set