Hey I get it, they just dont seem worth the trouble
#classic-discussion
shadow tapir
sharp grotto
🤷🏽♂️ on earthfury not a lot and our guild is doing well just wish they didn’t think I was a liar and idiot lol
But to shoot for 20% hit is dumb imho you lose all other kinds of stats chasing that
shadow tapir
Not sure its even possible
17 slots of gear, guess a few with 2% hit then it would be, DS too
But then that means HoJ sucks
Which we all know is a joke
marble dune
what i dislike about current classic content, is that it is so damn easy even trash players can breeze by and look "good"
harder to differentiate who is actually good at the game and who's an idiot
winged crystal
turns out classic isn't harder, we were all just dumber
marble dune
classic raiding requires more time/preparation as opposed to judge by awareness of boss mechanics of retail raiding
Time spent = skill in classic
plucky nymph
Also the trash is CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCER.
winged crystal
Im very much remembering I had to hit certain goals by certain deadlines or I wouldn't have the consumables to raid. whether it was gold or farming pure mats
marble dune
better stock up on fire pots while its cheap
cheap ish
will be even more demanding in bwl
plucky nymph
Eh, at the same time people will have more FR by then.
Well at least the guilds that are planning on raiding BWL will.
marble dune
fire pots going for 3.5-4.5g on whitemane depending on day of the week
plucky nymph
greater or?
marble dune
greater yes
plucky nymph
Sounds about right.
sharp grotto
Lol funny thing is all these people are “private server players for last2-5 years” so they know more than me since I played retail (I played vanilla in the day as well) but I’m an idiot 🤷🏽♂️
Oh well gab keep pumpin as a rogue
exotic trellis
Your skill in raiding=gear and gold for consumables
winged crystal
I truly do not believe private was close to classic in terms of numbers
exotic trellis
If the 50g per hour shit in BRD is true it should mean you can spend a few hours a week doing that for gold
winged crystal
I tried private servers over the summer, it was grueling to lvl. felt like a night and day difference to classic launch
shadow tapir
Private server values probably didnt match actual Classic
Rogue classic disc has the Nostalrius guide and doesnt mention the305 skill hit I dont think so it probably wasnt a thing
vocal hornet
@exotic trellis palmer did some BRD runs, said it was not a cool as he wanted.
50g/hr seems fine but I havent tried yet.
exotic trellis
I’d rather herb or something anyways maybe
Very little point for me to run a PvP build
marble dune
50g/hr pick pocket is fake news imo
vocal hornet
I think it was tombs with keys, not just picking pockets.
marble dune
those videos exclude clips of rogue getting resisted, which easily adds 5-10m+ per run
resisted means you gotta sprint/vanish and reset
then you wont have vanish for the next resist, so you either have to wait 5 mins or risk getting a resist and die
vocal hornet
bleh
marble dune
those videos take like a 15 min run, do a simple x4 and conclude omg 50g an hour!!
but adding in clips of resist, which will happen at least 5 times per run when youre pick pocketing 100+ mobs (5% chance)
that 15 min run turns into 25-30 min realistically
and now its down to 15-25g per hour runs
vocal hornet
and really boring
vernal aspen
What would you suggest is the best gold farm for a rogue?
old stone
I did azshara satyrs + herbalism
sharp grotto
Yea what’s in RFD?
vernal aspen
maybe its by level progression?
im actually only 38 though on the gold grind thing.
so i bet razorfen would be great for me lol
winged crystal
At 38 you can farm the shellfish off desolace coast
vernal aspen
for pearls?
winged crystal
Nope, the shellfish from the cages. Turn in 5 for 55s
vernal aspen
interesting
winged crystal
Usually get 1-2 at a time. Some random greys
vernal aspen
perfect
vernal aspen
nice
winged crystal
The quest is invisible but the dude is just chilling on the dock
vernal aspen
doesnt the fishing pole drop too?
winged crystal
And there are lvl 35iah mins in between so you get some XP while doing it
Yeah, i sold like 5 of them
vernal aspen
nice
winged crystal
Kinda boring but works. The cages spawn pretty quick. So find a route where you can swim back and forth between a few and good to go
vernal aspen
yeah im sittin on 20g rn a lvl and a half away from 40. lol
winged crystal
I did it when I got 40. Had like 30 or 40g. Was done in 2 1 hour sessions
signal ember
I got my mount at 41. After 40, you start to make good income
sharp grotto
It seemed like gold flew in after 40 lol
Quest gold and rewards started actually selling
daring kelp
Some pickpocket guides still think Rogues Diary sells for 40s. Don't bother with SM pickpocket for example, unless you're in dire need of pots and Rogue consumables.
round oriole
hey guys question. high end with raid gear as a human, combat daggers > swords?
plucky nymph
What phase?
round oriole
current phase or future i guess im curious to know when it overtakes overall
plucky nymph
o _O
round oriole
like in this phase with top end gear is swords > daggers? at what point will daggers overtake
i know daggers r pvp tho
plucky nymph
Depends on when there are good daggers
vocal hornet
and the +dagger mods become important.
plucky nymph
and TBH sword spec. with a Viskag or something that fucking blast people.
vocal hornet
are there any 2.8?
plucky nymph
Dal'rends is 2.8. Daggers? Dunno.
sharp grotto
Pre raid barman shanker is 2.00... like only one that slow
vocal hornet
not daggers. but swerds
vocal hornet
guess it doesnt matter how slow it is, if the dmg is that much higher. those are big numbers
plucky nymph
Yeah just want strong bottom end.
vocal hornet
I lol, but hate fast gif.
exotic trellis
Are there any good like level 50s daggers
Cuz I’m sittin here kinda sick of swords
Idk why cuz I likes me my rogues with swords
plucky nymph
exotic trellis
I bought the BRD BOE for like 5g
The sunken temple quest looks like the next one I wanna get
random kraken
ah
I kinda wanna go daggers, but I think thrash blade is just going to force me into swords
we'll see while in the other dungeons tho
exotic trellis
I’m sitting on thrash blade vanquishers right now
As soon as I get around the level to farm angerforge ima just go daggers
random kraken
angerforge is BRD right?
plucky nymph
ye HoJ boss
exotic trellis
But then idk if I wanna go back to swords as soon as I get mirah’s
plucky nymph
oooobbby
exotic trellis
Thrash mirahs seems way better to farm shit like bonescraper and shank compared to shit like a life force dirk or the BRD BOE
Crusade on them pieces
random kraken
enchants take the slot of poisons right?
random kraken
wait what
plucky nymph
not busy, state your query
random kraken
is it not worth it to use devilsaur stuff?
plucky nymph
Not @ 15g a piece.
random kraken
what about 10g a piece?
random kraken
but with layers being removed soon won't the price just go up?
random kraken
what is TS+Cad? I never played vanilla before
plucky nymph
Check the pins
plucky nymph
Some of the pieces are pretty good even just in the case of stats.
random kraken
I think I'm going to grind out shadowcraft instead of devilsaur then
plucky nymph
I was gonna get it for Tier .5 anyway.
random kraken
what is t .5? Phase 2?
worldly juniper
is it worth putting up an expose armor in WPVP against plate wearers?
shadow tapir
Cant say for sure but I know of people who Sap>Cheap Shot and cancel attack before breaking it and then restealth with EA up
worldly juniper
that bloodmoon spreadsheet says cad chest + TS shoulders + 6 peice is less DPS than Devilsaur + 6 piece
shadow tapir
by 1 MAEP
plucky nymph
shadow tapir
Stat weight values basically
worldly juniper
ah
shadow tapir
Shadowpanther shows the two are very minor difference
plucky nymph
Says at the bottom of the list.
shadow tapir
Does the spreadsheet say otherwise?
plucky nymph
Yeah that's about right.
vocal hornet
we arent fretting over 0.4% are we?
shadow tapir
Well, not when the .4% costs 250g
worldly juniper
nah i had all the pieces so i was interested to see what is the best until i get Tier
plucky nymph
Farm Shadowcraft, ezpz
vocal hornet
ugh. I still dont have flying in retail. guess i should chip away at the mech rep
worldly juniper
yeah ive got the private server full BiS and 8pc shadowcraft
plucky nymph
w/e that means
vocal hornet
i didnt think 8pc was bis
worldly juniper
its not i just collected it all
plucky nymph
atm 7pc is better for me than an off-piece, need TS shoulder though.
worldly juniper
isnt combat daggers suppoused to be higher dps than swords , plugging in the gear into bloodmoon seems like a hefty dps drop
vocal hornet
is vendetta a thing yet?
karmic bridge
cata
plucky nymph
neat
round oriole
gl
plucky nymph
I don't want it.
exotic trellis
I heard that the second dungeon set is like phase 5
worldly juniper
anyone know how P2 Diremaul will affect our gearing
im guessing those Tribute rings arent going to be BiS
exotic trellis
You get stuff from diremaul instead of BRD, maraudon, or the endgame dungeons?
The agi ones aren’t unique, they’re better than blackstone
worldly juniper
how about painweaver
oak estuary
This guy is telling me HoJ is a waste of a trinket slot for pvp because auto attacks are worthless in pvp for rogues. Is he just trolling me or just very misinformed?
exotic trellis
well I mean sometimes ya just kill people off of the HoJ proc, sword spec proc, and a cheap shot
wait ur not running sword spec in pvp
stuck peak
Anyone here use elvui? I can't seem to find how to put in combo points on my targets unit frame
unreal flicker
Not sure if you can make it part of your target. You can detach it from your frame though ElvUI > UnitFrames > Player > Classbar > Detach from Frame (Enable) > move with toggle anchors
stuck peak
Ah, so i can't have them on both my and the targets frame? just 1 or the other
unreal flicker
Think so, I use a weakaura for mine instead of Elvui so I don't really know
unreal flicker
Can I check that I'm reading the sheet on Shadowpanther right? Am I correct in saying that "Phase 1 6Pc Shadowcraft (B)" would be pre-raid BIS?
shadow tapir
yep yep
However consider the (A) is very similar in value and doesn't need Devilsaur
quaint barn
Aight boys, so which consumeables stack in Classic:
-Winterfall Firewater + AP Juju?
-Strength Juju + Elixir of Giants + Elixir of Brute Force?
shadow tapir
Not positive but this might help you
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MsDWgYDIcPE_5nX6pRbea-hW9JQjYikfCDWk16l5V-8/pubhtml#
quaint barn
Would love it if anyone actually tested it ingame tho. Trusting private server or vanilla experience seems to never work for me this time around 😛
pallid valley
I'm going combat swords, I wanna know if it's worth to sacrifice a few points on the assassination tree to get Opportunity to use backstab on bosses?
I also got Improved Backstab
exotic trellis
So you’re gonna
Take daggers AND swords in raids
And kinda scuff ur talents
Just for that minor of a dps increase
pallid valley
I mean the talents I will change will be Lightning Reflexes for Improved backstab and Ruthlessness and Relentless Strikes for Opportunity
Don't seem that big of deal
Like this
exotic trellis
Why would you 5/5 lethality and then not use relentless when you’re using such an energy intensive builder like backstab
I’d have gotten the other sprint talents, not the maneuverability one but that’s me
exotic trellis
Don’t worry about it
Just use SS and the Normal build
It’s not even a DPS Increase
spark raptor
Lethal potato, true hybrid specs are terrible dps wise. Skipping relentless strikes is madness. However, for bwl ists smart to spec standard combat swords spec and remove points from parry/endurance/improved sprint to spec into improved backstab for the vaelestrasz fight.
Even if your dagger is worse than your sword its worth to backstab there (use sword in oh)
Something like this
cyan cliff
I'm kind of new at rogue-ing so I may be missing some important aspects, but how good of an idea would you consider this build:
In a few levels it'd be https://classicdb.ch/?talent#f0xZGcVb0VzZV0xc
And by 60 it'd complete into https://classicdb.ch/?talent#f0xfoZGcVb0yz0bZV0xc
On the paper the stealth speed and the crit chance to ambush sounds really good, but I may well be mistaken
tough pilot
@cyan cliff in all honesty. There really isn't a point in trying to create your own talent set up. It's a 15 year old game. Best builds have been known for awhile. If you wanna go combat dagger (which really isn't good until later in the game in first place) I'd go something like this https://classicdb.ch/?talent#f0xfoLZMIVbbEz0boV
If you wanna do your own set up for fun, go for it by all means.
But just know it's not gonna be near as viable.
cyan cliff
I mean I was googling a lot about what the combat dagger talent build entailed but I didn't manage to find anything 😄
tough pilot
There's a lot of decent vids on YouTube. I found this set up from a private server post.
But most stuff is just cookie cutter at this point.
cyan cliff
I realise that it's not as viable, but I get this distinct feeling that for wpvp ambush is a very good tool
tough pilot
It just depends what your goals are. If you're strictly going PvP I wouldn't even go either specs both of us listed. And I'd go for prep hemo build.
cyan cliff
That's the thing, I'm not really trying to specialise into anything in particular, though it may well be a huge mistake in itself
Just something to level with and do the occasional pvp in. I am aware that there are more swords available during leveling etc (I am specced into combat swords at the moment) but daggers seem a lot more aesthetically pleasing and open up ambush and backstab
tough pilot
I mean beauty of rogue is you don't NEED PvP talents to world PvP. I wpvp in combat sword raid talents cause I'm cheap lol and I still do pretty well. Obviously a PvP set up would be superior tho
Yeah if you think you'll enjoy dagger style more then go for it.
Don't have to play the game to be fully optimized at every damn second lol
Just gotta know in some situations you may not shine as hard
maiden cave
levelling as combat dagger* and doing pvp with it sounds horrible
cyan cliff
I know and I'm trying to avoid optimising too much, but I was still curious if improved ambush only sounds good, but costs too many talent points, effectively fucking me over in the longer run
maiden cave
combat dagger you tend to spec at 60 when you grab a good dagger
cyan cliff
Yeah, core hound tooth and the dagger from Rag
tough pilot
Its not really horrible since I'm still a rogue that brings cheap shot, kidney, blind, vanish, etc. (Thought ya meant combat swords)
And I'm popping off huge evis if crits go my way
cyan cliff
At least that's how it looked like to me that once you get MC daggers it's daggers from that point onwards
tough pilot
Like I said it's not as good. But by no means is it horrible lol. Still a rogue at end of day :)
Just depends if you get mc daggers or mc sword/ony sword
cyan cliff
Okay so if I am using stealth a fair bit, then camouflage and improved ambush might be reasonable?
but still keeping main focus on combat?
tough pilot
Up to you. Seems like you're really all in on your ambush combat build. Try it out. Worst case is you end up not liking your kill times leveling and change.
Play how you wanna play just know there may be better ways.
cyan cliff
Yeah I'm probably trying to talk myself into it, but just clapping around with two swords makes me feel like I'm just a more graceful warrior 😄
tough pilot
Yeah lol we're a poor man's fury warrior 
cyan cliff
Actually good point, I will get some decent daggers by 48, respec and see what happens
tough pilot
Yeah youll be fine! Just enjoy the climb. 👍
cyan cliff
If it's not fun, I'm smarter but 6G poorer 😄
Thanks for bouncing the ideas, I appreciate it
tough pilot
No problem! Good luck !
winged crystal
doesn't weapon swapping incur a GCD?
sharp grotto
Not if you swap in a gcd
Like have daggers, ambush and swap to swords right after
Won’t be a gcd
exotic trellis
Wait
Who’s shitting on combat daggers
Why does that talent setup linked above have dodge instead of improved gouge
winged crystal
i believe they were saying how a combat sword/dagger hybrid with swapping isn't ideal or worth it over just picking 1 vs the other
exotic trellis
Oh
Yea don’t do that shit itbisnt worth it
If it was worth it, people woulda done it for the past 15 years
quaint barn
Is ambush without improved and oppurtunity a better opener than sinister strike with swordspec? I havent a clue really lol
winged crystal
why not just CS?
shadow tapir
Probably raid boss
sharp grotto
Imp ambush just improves crit chance right?
quaint barn
"just" 45%, yea
sharp grotto
Lol wasn’t down playing it, more of confirming it. I wish I could get it in combat dag build I am
quaint barn
I dunno what to say if I get option of CHT + Perds
Combat daggers seems so horribad for pvp
winged crystal
if you have the gear to not worry about having to gouge and BS, i'd change. either CS BS or ambush into a KS BS killing mobs, doesn't matter anymore
combat daggers yeah, but there are other dagger builds that are great for pvp
sharp grotto
For sure I won’t stay combat dag for pvp
neat sun
I'm hoping to get Perditions so I can swap to combat daggers
All of the rogues/warriors are going after swords. Seems a lot easier to get daggers, I just need them to drop
Still trying to figure out what our best gold farm is as rogues, though
vast forge
any idea when they going to fix vanish?
plucky nymph
Never, there's nothing wrong with it.
shadow tapir
Whats wrong with it?
vast forge
doesnt drop combat half the time in dungeons
they say spellbatching? idk
how do you pickpocket? 3 rogues n my guild syaing the same thing
plucky nymph
So they don't know, but are claiming a bug, OK.
vast forge
what?
shadow tapir
Would need to post the video, I havent had issues outside of normal vanish crap
Which is just how vanish has always worked
plucky nymph
That's nice, it's also a bug yeah Blizzard changed something.
vast forge
the animation goes off anfd they still attack you
plucky nymph
Ye.
vast forge
how isnt that a bug
shadow tapir
Can you link this video?
plucky nymph
It is a bug, but substantiated claims tend to hold more water.
Either way, it is dropping combat but not clearing threat.
neat sun
I mean ... Are you surprised?
vast forge
uhh ya?
neat sun
There's been like 4 patches before Wrath that Vanish actually worked properly
vast forge
its only 15 years old i mean
neat sun
#nochanges
plucky nymph
Vanish also worked fine last night.
vast forge
lol
neat sun
I've vanished and still had hunter pets attacking me
neat sun
It is a bug, it's just an expected bug, because Vanish never actually worked properly.
vast forge
zzzz
neat sun
There were patches where they actually fixed it, then it broke the next patch
plucky nymph
That also has nothing to do with this, maybe.
neat sun
I don't know. Maybe, maybe not.
I assume mobs, and hunter pets, attacking you through stealth would be a similar bug.
I also assume since is was basically broken the entire time in vanilla, they aren't fixing it in Classic.
vast forge
it wasnt broke like thsi lol
plucky nymph
That's not related, specifically to whatever they changed within the past 24hrs.
vast forge
idk where you get that from
plucky nymph
or more-so, it might be related but they shouldn't be trying to fix the pet thing, as it's effectively intended at this point.
vast forge
feign death seems to be having issues aswell
plucky nymph
Makes sense.
maiden cave
haha, that video is great
double vanish, dropping combat, stealth and still the mobs keep going
shadow tapir
lmao
neat sun
So, what is looking like our best gold farm right now? Tyr's Hand pick pocket farming?
BRD doesn't seem great money-wise
vast forge
no duh since vanish dont work lol
plucky nymph
Just worked.
But I shouldn't have generated any threat over the fight so that might have been why.
opal wagon
how do i remove poison from mh?
fair carbon
You can’t
neat sun
You can overwrite it, but you can't just outright remove it.
opal wagon
bahg
sharp grotto
Ain’t there a macro to take poison off? I’ve been meaning to look for it I hate having poison on then get sham in front
Group*
maiden cave
nope @sharp grotto
fair carbon
Just use spell power gear 
dry birch
if there wasn't always 1% miss, no doubt i'd get a piece lol
sharp grotto
Missing and dodging are different right?
I’m curious
I have round 14% hit and my BS just was dodged lol
fair carbon
Yes
sharp grotto
So there is just always a dodge chance?
maiden cave
that video is 👍
urban matrix
any reason why you don't see Lord General's Sword on pre raid bis lists
wraith parcel
The proc overrides battleshout
urban matrix
lmao
Is the proc up fairly often tho?
@wraith parcel acutally looking at wclogs it does not look like it killed the buff, but wclogs could be wonky.
maiden cave
its worse than thrash blade
so no reason to include it in any list, you should be using thrash blade instead
errant timber
that melee mechanics video is informative but confirms my thoughts that classic mechanics are silly
somber hawk
it is what it is
plucky nymph
What's so silly?
exotic trellis
Parry Haste, glancing blows, crit suppression
compared to retail where its just hit, crit, and parry if you're attacking from the front
plucky nymph
Parry Haste is the only WEIRD thing in that list.
Like hard weird thing.
Don't have Crushing Blows either.
errant timber
glancing is only silly cause of its function
and that you apparently can't score a direct hit 40% of the time behind this giant boss monster
exotic trellis
you gonna equip it?
plucky nymph
Wanna use Mirah's for a few months?
shadow tapir
Nah selling that bad boy
Like its amazing and I want to use it
but epic mount
Krol blade isnt better than dalrends so I dont think its worth it in the long term
shadow tapir
But need to farm 350g : /
Although I do feel bad its such a cheap way of buying the mount
signal ember
Tbh I'd keep it
exotic trellis
if I wasnt going daggers id keep it
shadow tapir
Well thats the thing, Ill be wanting daggers for pvp come p2 anyway
+dal rends being better
+valuing epic mount more, just not worth equipping for me
I wasnt able to get epic mount in vanilla and so does feel bad that it was just kinda handed to me lol
1/3 of it anyway
sharp grotto
anyone know the proc rate for 6pc SC
daring kelp
I've read 3%, don't have the numbers to back it up tho.
Oh you mean PPM by "rate", no clue.
urban matrix
if a krol blade dropped for me I'd def equip
make plenty of money just farming dungeons
plucky nymph
Meh.
urban matrix
althought
I could sell it and use the money to buy an invite to a group and maybe get a dal rends
sharp grotto
Lol what you trying to get?
civic crest
Now I wonder how many nagas I’ve killed. Literally grinding my way to 60 🙄
maiden cave
@sharp grotto thats for elemental fires
oak haven
I don't see it in the pins, is there a consensus 'best' combat swords build?
it's something like 17/34/0 if i recall?
actually it's probably 19/32/0 ?
maiden cave
its 19/32
hidden basin
Can you solo the unforgiven in strat live?
it's very annoying to kill that boss not drop and then having to go through the entire dungeon because you can't leave it's rude
plucky nymph
No.
hidden basin
😭
plucky nymph
You can get to him by yourself, but you also have other helmet options.
So spread yourself out a little.
hidden basin
yeah i'll do other stuff as well, i'll burn out if i just do that
till i get that mask
lost it three times and had to go through entire dungeon
tough pilot
Just get t2 off ony 
plucky nymph
Eye is probably better anyway.
hidden basin
yeah eye is sweat as well
vale lark
is there a consensus on what's better for non-poison immune mobs, Instant poison or ele sharpening stone?
hybrid cloud
Guys you think 1h sword from Baron is better than thrash blade?
maiden cave
if it is, it's very very close and probably barely makes a difference
because thrash is so good
I imagine fully world buffed + full consumables, thrash is probably better
with fewer buffs, Skullforge better
hybrid cloud
I got no luck to get the mh from rend and thinking to buy kroll but damn it cost way much gold
maiden cave
just stick with thrash for now imo, pick up skullreaver if you get the chance, its still an upgrade for non-worldbuffed
plucky nymph
Baron sword is better than Thrash.
maiden cave
again, not when fully worldbuffed in a raid because the Thrash proc is superior, but until then it is better DPS
drowsy phoenix
should I ignore specialization when selecting an OH?
vocal hornet
right
my goal would be to have the highest dps without needing any consumables or effort. what spec is that
ss snd ss .. . . . . . ss . . . . . . . . ss. . . . . .
grats dps
drowsy phoenix
I think I know a spec like that in retail but it's even slower
plucky nymph
Yeah there was a moment where he was going to Stalagg.
and we were like, pffffffffffffffffft.
plucky nymph
lol
plucky nymph
aha
vocal hornet
what, is the toxic pvp + que too much?
lol que is too vanilla for me.
Pagle has been full since the beginning but only que for the first few days really.
robust moon
are there pre-quests for Mirah's Song?
plucky nymph
The quests before it
robust moon
they are also dungeon quests?
plucky nymph
They are the ones right outside the dungeon
sand cipher
do we pop BF on single target boss fights?
plucky nymph
Sure.
wraith parcel
Yes, you want 20% increased attack speed even on singletarget
cyan cobalt
bronze jewel
precisely calibrated boomstick vs Blackcrow
what do you people think?
exotic trellis
world drop BOE vs a drop from LBRS that is relatively uncontested as long as you dont bring a hunter to ur group
copper belfry
question about rogue weapon damage. I have brutality as a MH and rend OH. would Losing 14 dps by replacing my MH with Rend main hand and replacing offhand with brutality blade be more dmg. essentially losing 14 dps mh for 78 OH
vale lark
You should probably use brutality mh/mirah oh
bronze jewel
get mirah, easy to get.
icy falcon
can someone help me complete the horde rogue poison quest ?
stoic cairn
yo guys if you play with sword spec are you aiming for double sword or going for fast OH für IP ticks (if its the same dps sword vs dagger OH)
i mean you should be able to proc sword proc with mh and oh, right?
shadow tapir
yes, double sword preferred
stoic cairn
hoj also just interacts like a sword proc right
it resets your mh swing
and it also can proc off oh hits
shadow tapir
Im not positive about OH although I would assume. Yes to the mh swing
bronze jewel
https://gyazo.com/79fccc0748adbc79260af4775ce677ff current stats with zero buffs
as swords
maiden cave
congrats? 😄
regal junco
Hey I got felstriker. Is it good for pve at all or is it mostly just a pvp weapon
raven snow
Is there classic sim dps?
regal junco
There's some spreadsheets to do the math or something like that
exotic trellis
you are such a lucky bitch btw
Yes, its Pre raid bis for combat daggers
if you dont have dal rends already, go farm a bonescraper off of baron rivendare and go combat daggers for raiding.
regal junco
I tried it for awhile as combat daggers, idk about it. I think swords is better.
Just respec'ed so I'll see if I like my damage more as swords or not
the constant agro from massive backstabs and constant crits is rough
exotic trellis
vanish 4Head
regal junco
5 min cd
exotic trellis
if its one mob in like a dungeon then like
meh
also I mean again unless you get dalrends or the raid weapons you're gonna do better damage as daggers
perdi and CHT are easier to get than Viskag and BB anywas
regal junco
yeah I'm just going to spec w/e raid weapon I get
exotic trellis
classic rogue class fantasy fits daggers more than swords anyways
regal junco
While you're not wrong I think playing as a human I have an advantage using swords till AQ
but I will play whatever weapons I get
exotic trellis
didnt know you were a human
maiden cave
@raven snow the rogue classic discord has a link to the DPS spreadsheet by BloodMoon
http://classicsim.org/?C=M;O=D is a thing too, but it's very early stages
(I've played around a lot with the spreadsheet, I am a fan)
sharp grotto
I would shit a brick to have felstriker.... the proc rate is ass but still it’s great
Damn I ran with a rogue lastnight that had 6pc... almost every damn trash pack he was gaining 50-100 extra energy from just the set lol... huge
silver portal
Can anybody help me? what would you recommend for my belt slot (while leveling) Beastmaster's girdle (51 armor +5 Agi +5 stam) or Windsong Cinch (52 armor +5 stam +12 Attack power) thanks
maiden cave
@silver portal dont worry too much about it, but I'd use the +12 AP one
12 AP > 5 Agi
plucky nymph
Too many middle steps.
fast spear
anyone chose riposte over endurance/imp. sprint for a 60 pve build which involves a lot of dungeons?
fast spear
in raids yeah, I can see some use for it in the world/dungeons
fast spear
guess so -- I'll skip it
maiden cave
endurance + imp sprint is super nice in pve too
and imp sprint is a lifesaver in random pvp
tepid trout
how many of you is playing with swing timer addons?
plucky nymph
Probably like, 3 people?
fair carbon
I have a swing timer built into my WA UI
sharp grotto
^
fair carbon
Before that I had WeaponSwingTimer
sharp grotto
Never really pay attention to it but it’s there
plucky nymph
lol
fair carbon
But I never really bothered with it
fringe spindle
do you get 2ap or 1ap from 1 agi?
fair carbon
1
drowsy phoenix
in terms of raw damage, I believe it's agi = str = AP
but agi provides dodge, crit, and ranged damage
plucky nymph
They're all equivalent in some way.
midnight dew
anyone know combat dagger rogue spec
the one on icy veins is wrong because murder is trash in MC and the pinned message doesn't have a talent build or im just blind
plucky nymph
MC isn't the only content.
fair carbon
Unless you like respeccing every day keep Murder
midnight dew
what do you think about 3 points in lethality instead of 5 and 0 in murder but i grab relentless strikes and ruthlessness
turns out thats what classicwowhead says to do, hmm
plucky nymph
evengoingtoIcyVeinsO_O
dusk crystal
fair carbon
2500 in retail
Doesn’t mean shit in Classic where you’ll just get memed into oblivion 
shadow tapir
I think he’s just asking for help about talents...
outer dirge
ruthlessness on dagger's isn't good at all, you usually go 1/1 relentless and 4/5 lethality as combat daggers
shadow tapir
The rogue classic disc has some talent builds, can’t send a link atm though
drowsy phoenix
I'm not even stepping past 8 points in the sin tree without playing sub/sin pvp build
I just memed 11 points into ghostly strike
outer dirge
do you not pve?
drowsy phoenix
it's actually good for when boss forcibly takes itself off tank
I push past 100% combined dodge and parry on my hit table
but other than that it was jokes
outer dirge
x)
hushed laurel
BC dodge rogue tanks are BiS
drowsy phoenix
my new ambition for getting GM is being able to play right hand blade/claw of the frost wyrm lul
covert oxide
Hoi guys, I have a bit of trouble understanding the hit softcap in classic as a human rogue.
To my understanding, you need 9% of hit not to miss special attacks on a boss when attacking from behind. 5% of them comes from talent so you just need 4% from gear right ?
exotic trellis
3% from having 305 weaponskill which is from weapon expertise so only 1% hit from gear
covert oxide
I even have 310 because human, but 310 from 305 does not change much no ?
plucky nymph
If the target is a mob and defense minus attack rating is 10 or less:
MissChance = 5% + (TargetLevel*5 - AttackerSkill) * 0.1%
Also, why people are having ton of hit on their gear ? Like devilsaur, condemned mask I think I saw many rogues with > 10% hit on gear
plucky nymph
Because they follow lists and it doesn't matter.
covert oxide
you mean it does not change much if you overcap hit ?
plucky nymph
I mean it doesn't matter.
plucky nymph
Just get 24% 4head.
It still have value, but other things do as well, and there's basically no gear that JUST has +Hit on it so the differences between the items doesn't matter so long you are at or above the special cap.
rancid nova
Would u go agi/str/AP/crit 100% once u reached 9% hit?
For example the 2%green shoulders would give me 11% hit. Would my 12str/12 agi shoulders be more useful?
plucky nymph
You should drop as close to the hit cap as possible.
10 Agility = 10 Stamina = 20 Strength = 20 Attack Power = 1% Crit
Guidelines.
Tanking is the only thing that is strict.
wraith parcel
Wdym tanking is the only thing that is strict?
wraith parcel
wat
plucky nymph
Other than that, fuckin... DW tank all you want.
Early example: Get enough FR, no more Rag knockbacks, strict requirement.
wraith parcel
Not really, you can just charge back in
wraith parcel
And you still get hit with the knockback a lot of the times even at cap
plucky nymph
But that's still an example of an interaction with a strict requirement.
o _O
Gotta be a very low % chance.
wraith parcel
I think its like 25%
exotic trellis
29%
plucky nymph
@ 315?
wraith parcel
Ye
wraith parcel
Fire res is mostly to reduce damage taken, but on rag especially its not nearly as important as it was on private servers
Since rag is like 50/50 fire and physical damage
plucky nymph
Ye
wraith parcel
Whereas on private servers he would do 100% fire damage
We've been tanking him with like 230-250 fr buffed, cba getting ubrs buff
plucky nymph
We've stopped as well, fucking obnoxious.
exotic trellis
so, is it possible to eliminate glancing blows, therefore making 308 weapon skill the softcap and 305 weapon skill being the realistic cap you're gonna get, or can you eliminate glancing blows with 310
plucky nymph
310 is glancing cap reduction removal
exotic trellis
wait: so you can remove glancing blow damage reduction? I thought it was capped at 95%
plucky nymph
I've only seen the math up to +5, guides say +10 has you doing full damage.
Meaning you deal as much damage from a Glancing Blow as you can.
maiden cave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLD12oUwJoE covers most of these things
maiden cave
except it has timestamps and it lays things out very well
maiden cave
by being as slow as usual?
plucky nymph
Because it's in a pinned message that requires you to see more of the message to find them.
maiden cave
wait, are you having trouble clicking "read more"?
maiden cave
do you need assistance?
plucky nymph
Yeah please, could you get a moderator to get this person that feels like lambasting me with insults out of my face?
Put the index in your video, it's not hard, it's a slideshow to begin with.
maiden cave
that's not my video, you seem overly fragile
plucky nymph
Fragile for being called "as slow as usual".
Coulda just put it in the Description I would think.
But maybe I am bit too slow for that as well.
@ 309 weapon skill the boss starts giving you damage as a refund.
exotic trellis
ok so yea 308 weapon skill makes minimum glancing, so it is capped at 95% reduction
plucky nymph
Ye.
exotic trellis
so why do people go crazy over the human racial on rogues
plucky nymph
Free damage without the added threat generation.
exotic trellis
no for rogues specifically because of weapon expertise
fair carbon
Oh that
exotic trellis
I know for warriors its not needing to grab edgemaster's
also why people are recommending getting like 310 or 312 weapon skill on like a dagger spec by using ACLG for example
probably some fucked up pserver data
maiden cave
I don't see people recommending 310 or 312, I see people recommending 308 if possible (so just get 1 rank of Weapon Expertise if human using swords)
dump the extra point in Assassination
maiden cave
the meta build for combat swords is 19/32
plucky nymph
2pts in dodge BWAAAAHBWAAAAAAAAAAAH
maiden cave
plucky nymph
o _o
maiden cave
don't strain your brain too hard
exotic trellis
OK so: one extra point into fucking IMPROVED POISONS
maiden cave
I said that was the meta build, Mizerok, try to keep up
hence why you'd drop 1pt if you were human and wanted 308 weapon skill
plucky nymph
Yeah +1 in psns.
signal ember
Better off moving points from Dodge to imp gouge IMO.
maiden cave
@signal ember again, that's just the raiding meta build, it's fine to go 3/3 imp gouge over the dodge, it doesn't matter
shit's the same
signal ember
Because if trash/boss are going to hit you, you probably will die if no vanish.
exotic trellis
This is the build I just looked at so.
exotic trellis
Doesnt really matter to me anyway cuz im going daggers
maiden cave
doesnt matter
exotic trellis
but I just want to like
signal ember
Imp gouge is superior in world pvp.
maiden cave
then you'll just be 15/31/5 or so
signal ember
Because frankly you're going to be fighting at some point anyway
exotic trellis
prove all the people wrong who fuking say that sword racial for rogues is SO FUCKING HUGE and that you ABSOLUTELY NEED IT
well, pve server btw so actually no.
maiden cave
@signal ember I have imp gouge too, its such a small thing to care about though ;p
signal ember
Well what the fuck why would you even roll on pve server.
plucky nymph
I mean it's free damage > _>
exotic trellis
because my retail guild unanimously agreed to roll on Pagle
plucky nymph
Sure it's not huge damage, but it's free.
maiden cave
because he's Crazy 2 Jointz Muffin, did you expect him to make a smart decision @signal ember
exotic trellis
I was voting to roll on Whitemane.
signal ember
Especially as rogue. You know, the class that typically gank?
plucky nymph
¯_(ツ)_/¯
exotic trellis
dude, I told you, retail guild chose to roll on pagle
plucky nymph
Just /pvp and wait.
maiden cave
retail guild 
signal ember
Playing with retail people
plucky nymph
Yeah imagine playing a game with people you don't hate.
signal ember
exotic trellis
Abandon my guild that I've been raiding with for well over a year now, and got my first cutting edge with.
plucky nymph
WTF is this moronic gatekeeping
signal ember
I legit rolled on a server that I don't know anyone. It's a throwback to vanilla.
exotic trellis
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/548298396423815179/591092616997896230/unknown.png
Like, this moment right here is more fucking important to me than anything I couldve possibly achieved in classic.
signal ember
Now I'm legit becoming a popular LW because I get few messages and mails requesting for crafted gear.
But you go do you. As long as you're having fun, that's what matters.
hushed laurel
its really funny to see how vocal people get over pve servers. its absurd how nearly all of them act the same and say the same shit.
plucky nymph
People just like hating on people for making choices different than there's, it's a Vanilla thing.
exotic trellis
the people who roll on pve servers or the people who make fun of people who roll on pve servers?
plucky nymph
It's usually PVP > PVE and Horde > Alliance.
hushed laurel
the second one
we end up banning like... 90% of them over in the classic discord just because they just start name calling
exotic trellis
I told you, if I had my choice, I woulda rolled on Whitemane
plucky nymph
WHY WOULD YOU ROLL A ROGUE, AND ROLL ON A PVE SERVER?!?!?! PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT
hushed laurel
lets be honest, its rouge in this case
plucky nymph
M A D N E S S
hushed laurel
a lot of the horde > alliance started later in the classic hype train, up until the blizzcon demo, horde was shit on constantly. After the demo and more info started coming out horde popularity skyrocketed.
exotic trellis
retail community
cuz most of the retail community is horde
except for the RP'ers and a lot of the PvP'ers
hushed laurel
eh, even the pserver crowd started focusing more on horde. I think a lot of them were burned out on alliance after playing F R E S H 
warriors and 
priests 7-10 times.
plucky nymph
Can see that.
exotic trellis
I think the MIN/MAX EPIC RAIDER pserver community annoys me the most more than anyone else
exotic trellis
HAVE to roll human/orcs for melees, HAVE to roll gnome for casters, HAVE to be dwarf priest
hushed laurel
imagine not being a troll for melee, what a waste of a spot
plucky nymph
Complete waste.
exotic trellis
Yea even more than the LFM BRD NEED TANK Ironfoe/HOJ/Savage Glad reserved
plucky nymph
lol
exotic trellis
and the advert is coming from a warrior
plucky nymph
Course.
exotic trellis
Warriors are definately the most entitled class right now in classic
hushed laurel
i got the 1st and 3rd gem in 1 run, the 2nd gem dropped by someone else won it T.T
exotic trellis
I think even more so than mages
plucky nymph
Warriors do seem so.
hushed laurel
in dungeons, yah. in open world, fuck mages
so many shitty mages trying to aoe farm and just failing and training mobs onto someone else before running off to reset
exotic trellis
Rolling rogue is hard lyfe, cant tank the run, cant host your own runs, nobody wants to take you cuz you take the EPIC WARRIOR LOOT from them
If I see a warrior rolling need on felstriker (assuming I even ever see a felstriker drop) I'm gonna actually strangle them.
hushed laurel
lol
plucky nymph
I HAVE BAD NEWS FOR YOU
exotic trellis
The one pre raid item that is most definately rogue loot.
was there a rogue in the group when you saw it drop?
plucky nymph
I am certain someone in the group needed it more than the hunter that won it.
plucky nymph
I HAVE SEEN SOME SHIT
exotic trellis
I woulda reported his dumbshit ass as a ninja
plucky nymph
Eh that's not fair.
plucky nymph
Being an asshole is different than being a ninja.
exotic trellis
How does this benefit a hunter
hushed laurel
look, felstriker is top tier option for my dual wield tanking set, i need it more than some sneaky rogue who takes my dps warriors gear
exotic trellis
NO STATS
plucky nymph
Yeah but it's Epic.
exotic trellis
DUAL WIELD SO HE CANT EVEN ENCHANT IT
plucky nymph
So, he Need.
hushed laurel
does the buff last throug ha weapon slot?
plucky nymph
2 steps removed from Hunters rolling on Dal'rends.
hushed laurel
gotta slap it on, proc it, then swap to nightfall obviously
exotic trellis
Yes but
im specced daggers
and going for shadowcraft, as should most rogues
they dont even take ur gear anymore
you get ur truestrikes all you want
plucky nymph
The number of people rolling on Truestrike is TOO FUCKING HIGH.
drowsy phoenix
I was allowed to roll core leather gloves for offspec in a pug lol
exotic trellis
i mean
drowsy phoenix
not even a competitor
exotic trellis
its only used for dagger rogues
plucky nymph
OS is open season.
drowsy phoenix
if perdy comes up I might go burst spec
exotic trellis
just play combat daggers
plucky nymph
You mean Corpse Spec.
hushed laurel
eh, some tanks use it for the dagger skill, but yah, the gloves are weird and should just go to rogues for awhile.
exotic trellis
and enjoy uncontested loot
hushed laurel
plus edgemasters exist
drowsy phoenix
I mean... that fat resist value, im never getting rain of fired again
exotic trellis
do people even play combat daggers in raid?
plucky nymph
Yeah sure.
drowsy phoenix
im not playing combat if I have daggers
exotic trellis
no i mean like
dagger spec in general
cuz the raiding spec until like AQ is combat daggers
plucky nymph
yeah we've a dood with gloves/perd/cht
drowsy phoenix
I've seen one (1) dagger rogue out of atleast 20 rogues
exotic trellis
wait
Perdi blade is mine
unless a pug needs on it cuz" my pvp weapon"
ON A PVE SERVER
drowsy phoenix
I actually clarified that my daggers would be for pvp maybe later on and they were just like "ok roll it lol"
maiden cave
we have 2 dagger rogues out of 8, probably a 3rd if we get more daggers to drop
dagger is stupid good
and it gives you far more options for pvp down the line
plucky nymph
Sure is less competition than Viskag 😐
exotic trellis
and doesnt combat daggers do more damage than swords anywyas
plucky nymph
Just stay out of Hanbi's raids.
exotic trellis
with perdi/CHT compared to Viskag BB
plucky nymph
Time is important here, daggers > swords for almost anything.
Most fights just are not long enough atm.
hidden basin
how much do enchanters usually require for crusader tip on your server?
plucky nymph
Tips by their nature are not required.
drowsy phoenix
assume this person wants to be nice
hidden basin
it's 10 gold tip
do you use enchants on your leggs and helm?
from that npc in burning steppes
i don't know whether it's worth the gold
daring kelp
If you win a decent Tier piece over any other player in your Raid and DONT enchant it, you're a piece of shit, straight up.
wraith parcel
The amount of people i see without leg/helm enchants
When i expect randoms in IF is disgusting
hidden basin
yeah you have a point about that, when i get a tier piece i'm going to enchant it for sure
however i was wondering whether to enchant the devilsaur leggs and mask of unforgiven with that
but i guess not because i checked the book on ah and it's 60 gold..
shadow tapir
Distracting people off the chain into lava in Blackrock Mountain is the best way to gank
plucky nymph
yeeeeeee
shadow tapir
Esp priests cause you see them panic to stay alive
shadow tapir
Do people ever do the 5 man Kite Drakk strat with a hunter now?
cursive ridge
daring thunder
You have a better chance of getting into raid as a sub rogue than a fire mage currently
So there's that
shadow tapir
Just dont throw on Hemo and no one knows
raven snow
so, a friend talked me into levelling an alt on his server, i want to level with the positives of sub for easier pick pocket runs, but also as combat for the extra damage + hit chance
is this spec any good? https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/005-320055210005014-5002530003
raven snow
Pick pocket is spell hit tho not hit rating
maiden cave
@raven snow has that been confirmed anywhere? I've seen people guess that it may be spell hit %, but I don't think anyone has actually tested it yet on Classic
exotic trellis
it is tested
mighty hollow
hi, was wondering if I should stick with combat swords or go backstab dagger in pve, I got pre raid bis-ish. My swords are Krol blade + mirahs song, daggers are felstriker + heartseeker. I got the +5 dagger gloves from mc yesterday so thats why im wondering what i should do
maiden cave
@exotic trellis ok, where?
@mighty hollow imo, just try combat dagger - with the gloves + those 2 daggers, you'll perform well
mighty hollow
I will try it, open world I guess it's really lackluster (for obvious reasons) - just hoping it feels more fun to play in dungeons/raids
maiden cave
it does make open world a bit more annoying compared to how well regular combat swords performs grinding
mighty hollow
not to mention killing devilsaurs takes ages now
comparably
but is swords always superior given same gear or can you pull ahead with daggers?
maiden cave
they're really close tbh, especially once a dagger rogue picks up ACLG
mighty hollow
whats a aclg? i havent really played much classic
versed cedar
aged core leather gloves
mighty hollow
oh im stupid, im not that familiar with acronyms D:
so since i got those gloves they should be pretty close, cool thanks!
exotic trellis
It should be ahead of swords if you have that, perdi, and CHT
versed cedar
but only for combat dagger right?
hows seal fate comparing to combat dagger and combat swords?
versed cedar
yeah i know that so far, but the question is, how far is it behind at the moment?
I know you need a lot of crit for it to be viable
sharp grotto
Seal fat is better round 30% crit I saw someone else say
versed cedar
Thats also my last stand
But there seams to be no one who knows how much worse (roughly) it is
e.g. someone caluclated the difference between combat sword pre bis vs. 6pc sc armor to be around 11dps better
sharp grotto
And to be honest, I haven’t had any problems in solo content as daggers.... it seems to roughly be the same for me so far
sharp grotto
Combat dag
sharp grotto
I went dagger build at 54 when I got barman shanker
And now I have shanker and scraper... and so far I’ve been able to put dmg any sword rogues in groups... could be more them not knowing how to play right or something but I enjoy dags
versed cedar
I am just afraid of dagger build being shitty when solo leveling, cause you SS dmg is much weaker
sharp grotto
Honestly it’s not, weapons are close till epics.... I still evis for 1700+ Crits and 500 SS.... but now I can start with a 1k ambush and can gouge + BS or kidney BS
But even as dags I don’t even usually do that I just ambush, SS and evis. And it’s over lol
quaint barn
If I had Perditions or Felstriker I would go dagger spec in a heartstrike (pun intended)
Barman shanker chance on hit would trigger me too much (atm using Skullforge, and im losing my shit)
sharp grotto
The proc on shanker doesn’t really bother me any bc just hit and kill, not many times I have to cc any
quaint barn
I died once to a mage who slipped away with skullforge debuff after my blind (even ticks every second to make things worse)
also un-fun fact: ranged weapon chance on hit can proc on blind cast. My WC bow had Chance on hit nature damage and broke my blind plenty
sharp grotto
That’s why I love daggers... BS Crits for 1100 right now and I’m not super geared lol... mages don’t expect ambush to break barrier then wam bam BS to almost kill them
quaint barn
PvP to me nowdays is Un'goro centered, but geared mages just dont die in Ambush/Backstab (especially with consumes/engineering)
I wouldnt pride myself on killing green geared mages in 1-2 hits, though it has its charm for sure 😛
sharp grotto
Lol yea for sure, yea that’s why I said almost kill haha... it def chunks them. And I’m not running a pvp build yet till I get perd / CHT...
quaint barn
Same, but Hemo 😛
quaint barn
I would love to play daggers together with a hemo stunlock partner tho
I feel like the situation i can ambush is mages, even then forcing blink can be important
sharp grotto
Honestly feel like your going to grab a blink pretty quick with ambush...
quaint barn
If the mage is ready it even feels like getting a second attack in is hard, they can blink before the global cooldown
ambush gouge must be a strong opener tho
sharp grotto
so 5/5 lethality or 4/5 and 1/1 relentless..... as dags
i feel the 1/1 is nice ?
or is that 6% crit dmg just way bigger than the 25 energy?
feel like it makes the SnD free so you get straight back into BS
spark raptor
Never skip relentless strikes if you spec 11+ assa
maiden cave
yeah always relentless
sharp grotto
yea i havnt been using it and was thinking about trying it out
just to make SnD free basically
but BS crits so hard lol
wet birch
This has probably been asked here a thousand times, but does anyone have a google doc or something for all BiS items for Rogue in Classic?
maiden cave
the rogue classic discord has decent suggestions - you either go with a mixed set of gear, or you go 6pc SC
6pc SC has been confirmed to be quite strong on classic
to give you some ideas: https://classic.wowhead.com/gear-planner/rogue/orc/AjwQAFMjEF8CQAUgIAUBUCMf8AE0XAI8MwMyfwU5LQYzxAc61ggxCQkzQAo61wszKgxFMQ0uJw42jQ80HBAyjBEyixIINA and https://classic.wowhead.com/gear-planner/rogue/orc/AjwQAFMjEF8CQAUgIAUBUCMf8AFBQwI8MwNBRAVBUQZBSQc61ghBRwlBRgo61wszKgxFMQ0uJw42jQ80HBAyjBEyixIxaw
but you can change that up a lot, many items are quite close in how good they are
for example, https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13118/serpentine-sash is pretty close to https://classic.wowhead.com/item=13252/cloudrunner-girdle
and because its not on any "bis lists", its often very cheap on AH
wet birch
Thank you very much for this!
wet birch
This is awesome, just what I needed! Thank you very much 🙂
maiden cave
shadowpanther has very, very weird stat weights
https://shadowpanther.net/armor-pve.htm has random greens competing with the pre-bis blues
which makes no sense at all
calm temple
how so?
I know some of his stat weights make it difficult for people to choose gear, especially weapons
but those greens are pretty fine
maiden cave
using regular stat weights the greens do not remotely compare
and using them on the DPS spreadsheet or in the game itself, they will provide significantly lower damage than the blues which they have an equal score to
using 1 AP = 1 EAP 1 Str = 1 EAP 1 Agi = 1.75 EAP 1% Crit = 22.5 EAP 1% Hit = 17.5 EAP as an example, Mask of Unforgiven completely shits on the greens that he has listed at an equal value
so that's why I argue he has wonky stat weights
if you ignore the greens, sure, it's not a bad list
maiden cave
yeah but they don't...
calm temple
they do, lol
maiden cave
they do not remotely compare to eye of rend/mask of unforgiven
did you just ignore the part where I said they're significantly lower damage and yet they're listed as equal?
any proper stat weight system would not have them listed as equal
it's really simple to see why mask/eye would completely outperform those greens
green: 18 + (18 * 1.75) = 49.5
mask: (17.5 * 2) + 22.5 = 57.5
eye: 13 + (22.5 * 2) = 58
maiden cave
oh my god you cannot be serious if you're gonna link wowhead
tough pilot
You're looking at pve starter set which only includes items that are 'easy' to obtain...
Hence why it has greens
And not 1% drop items
You need to read the part where it says pre pve
maiden cave
...the point is that it's ranking items as equal despite them being clearly superior @tough pilot
what.
on shadowpanther the green with 18 agi 18 str is listed as EQUAL to eye of rend/mask of unforgiven
that is WRONG. they are significantly INFERIOR in DPS.
tough pilot
Pve starter set*
maiden cave
it has nothing to do with how easy or hard they are to get
calm temple
not true