although probably not for MC and BWL
#classic-discussion
exotic trellis
ocean knoll
anyone have an addon or weakaura that shows whenever windfury or the extra hit from sword specialization procs?
worldly grail
wooooow
exotic trellis
GIMME THAT PERDI
plucky nymph
Both Sword Spec and Windfury have unique animations, and tracking them makes no sense.
exotic trellis
HOLY SHIT
worldly grail
cloth classes hate this rag
errant timber
If you're tracking swing timers sword spec resets it anyway
fair carbon
That's some good stuff
errant timber
f
sharp grotto
I got mine on first run lol wonât be going back
karmic viper
Took me 4, never wanna see the place agian đ
marble dune
tank died 5 secs into the pull and i tanked the rest, single handedly carrying these plebs
broken dock
Hi guys, any âwhat to doâ at 60 excel for us?
plucky nymph
wut
broken dock
I mean best instance/rep/ items to farm asap
plucky nymph
Get gear, it's everywhere, do quests that have powerful items.
https://shadowpanther.net/armor-sets.htm
The first "Starter" set has a bunch of items from quests that you might have/should have gotten while you were leveling.
Other than that, go get Mark of Fordgring from In Dreams!, an do the UBRS quest chain for Blackhand's Breath and the Onyxia Attunement.
sharp grotto
Just farm pre bis and get professions up
broken dock
Tyyy
cosmic surge
fastest way to grind gold for epic mount? brd pick pocket runs?
unkempt cove
Play the ah. Sell boes. Professions.
plucky nymph
ez4pc
tough pilot
Nice! I gave up trying to get the 6pc. Lol Ive had better luck with tier 1 so far then getting the shadowcraft PC's I needed.
sly valve
What are the good moneymaking gathering profs?
tough pilot
Skinning an herb
Devilsaur skins make super solid gold still.
And everyone always needs mongoose exlirs and once flasks become needed that's when big gold's roll in
tough pilot
But obviously you have to invest time. Devilsaurs are competitive on most servers. And herb nodes are random
But def gold to be made
exotic trellis
Problem is that devilsaur will eventually fall off in price cuz all the mains will get actual good raid gear
Iâm assuming that the pack is currently in their 40s/50s so they will start buying a ton of sets soon
tough pilot
Oh for sure. Could prob swap to mining if you feel the market is stalling.
plucky nymph
oh wait nevermind running towards 6pc
and yeah Devilsaur should be good money for a while.
Seems like Stalagg has gotten A LOT of it recently.
sharp grotto
You want all but gloves / pants tho I thought
plucky nymph
I want the pieces I can grab off the fucking ground.
Shoulders don't wanna drop đ
sharp grotto
Lol is 6/2 good?
hushed laurel
DS is only 2 pieces anyway, and its insane, and SC 6 piece is preraid BiS iirc, b7t not sure on that
plucky nymph
DS isn't that important since the Hit Rating calc. is broke.
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
It's like a 1dps difference even if you needed all the hit.
sharp grotto
well i ment more is 6 piece that good compared to the other pre raid bis pieces
plucky nymph
There's not a MASSIVE difference between 4pc and 6pc.
tough pilot
In a perfect world youd have devilsaur set with 6pc shadowcraft.
sharp grotto
over the other off tier pieces?
plucky nymph
Yeah but again, tiny differences.
tough pilot
Yup it's small
tough pilot
Eh. You get a lot of flat stats with shadowcraft and the bonuses are pretty damn big
40ap from bonus and the 35 energy Regen proc is just really good
plucky nymph
You have to to hit rating off of basically everything, things lose a lot of weight when you don't need 8/9% hit.
Mask of the Unforgiven is doodoo, for example.
plucky nymph
Someone else can find the paragraph.
Basics:
You need 9% hit.
8% with 305 Weapon Skill (to overcome over 10 level difference between your weapon skill and the level 63 targets defense (315))
6% because there's a fucking bug with the 5 weapon skill
So you need Precision + 1% Hit Rating.
plucky nymph
That's what the math seems to say atm.
Just hold onto the other 2% though it's hard to get rid of it.
sharp grotto
the other 2%?
sharp grotto
i mean hell you get 1 from neck, bow, ring,
sharp grotto
lol better to have to much than not enough tho
fossil steeple
still some more autos hitting
vestal spruce
So is shadowpanther aep math still accurate from what he had back in the day, or are pieces with hit really overweight?
Or is this just retreading the last 4 days of discussion and people just need to wait and see exactly how overweight white hit might be
plucky nymph
You need to get the hit you need, then drop it off the face of the planet unless you cannot.
There's still some value from Hit in regards to hitting more White Attacks but that's generally worse less than other options.
dry birch
@plucky nymph https://github.com/magey/classic-warrior/wiki/Attack-table#officially-confirmed-by-blizzard
and yeah, shadowpanther's hit value is after yellow hit cap
that's why he has rend > mask
etc
plucky nymph
That's a different thing entirely, in regards to +5 weapon skill giving 2% hit.
dry birch
it refers to both
plucky nymph
I mean if there's SOMEWHERE in that post that refers to it, sure.
Which is noted here
dry birch
just thought you'd want the evidence that led to the blue post, and it covers all the related issues
plucky nymph
Anyway, it's good that the SP lists present values after hit cap, makes things much easier.
dry birch
yupyup
plucky nymph
Which blue post talked about the -2% bugged table?
The +1% requirement from having too high a delta is an old post that I knew about.
dry birch
oh i'm talking about the 8/9% cap post
and the 6 to 8 is info that came from this source
plucky nymph
Ye the new stuff hasn't had a statement from Blizzard yet.
dry birch
yup
plucky nymph
Well it's info confirmed by this source.
Either way, it's 6% with 305 weapon skill.
Love how weird that looks.
dry birch
also, just found https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/cz5d81/wow_classic_ui_scaling_isnt_pixelperfect_by/
thank god
dry birch
hashtagNoChanges
plucky nymph
This is weirdness with the current client, IIRC.
dry birch
ah, rip
plucky nymph
You can see it in my WAs even https://media.wago.io/screenshots/7x4moTjIj/5d7289dc2294c67d2e0ab5c6.png
left versus right
o _o
The idea that it's a fucked number like .77777777777888888888111111111 is hilarious though.
drowsy phoenix
which race gets fist wep spec?
because speaking memes a GM/HW fist player in that race could go to 316 proficiency with no extra hit
and do decent damage
jolly walrus
not sure which to wear, suggestions?
hushed verge
probably lycan?
gentle walrus
im using some custon pawn for classic
not sureif its 100% right
they will prob have a better vrsion later
shadow tapir
the 2% from weapon skill is a bug then?
jolly walrus
@hushed verge yeah I was thinking lycan, I'm not really sure how to value the other
ancient phoenix
jolly walrus
nice, cheers
desert swift
i've done several runs and from what i recall none of the bosses drop anything particularly exciting
do the related quests i think there might've been something ok from them, cant recall
noble sonnet
Hereâs a clip I got of Mizerokâs WA... with a smelly flare đ My rogues name is Fartbot so itâs fitting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBEJsjDBvcU&feature=youtu.be
red badger
Is Lord General's Sword MH and Thrash Blade OH worth it?
noble sonnet
Shadowpanther is still reliable for stat weights and shit, right?
plucky nymph
ye
noble sonnet
thx
shadow tapir
Are the blasted lands buffs used in raids?
Assuming not, seems like way too much work for 25 stat
dry birch
they are
old stone
I have 12% hit, no rugrats. One item from 2 mc clears so far
exotic trellis
meanwhile im still only level 45
fair carbon
When I hit 40 I was at like 4?
It brickwalled at like 44 cause ZF GY was really hard to get into
calm temple
but I took my sweet time
fair carbon
We have a really hardcore Devilsaur mafia on Herod
fair carbon
Like itâs actually insane if I went into detail
I figured the whole thing out when I was buying my set
Absolutely nuts
exotic trellis
needed on the ZF mace cuz it has a 2.7 speed and has a proc
forgot about weapon skill
proceeded to spend the rest of the dungeon missing the whole fucking time
maiden cave
haha, I mean, you didn't have to use it right away
but that weapon is awesome
I used it from ~43 to ~50 when I got thrash?
and you get to go around proccing thunderclap on fools
fast plinth
Best classic weak aura?
ruby bridge
well weakauras did not exist in classic
so the best classic weakaura is not using weakauras
for weakaura sets, wago did create a classic section
you probably want to use a weakaura that reminds you to apply poisons
worldly juniper
there a new pre raid BiS list with the new hit cap calc by fight club somewhere?
plucky nymph
Just use this but drop the Blackcrow for a high AGI weapon, and the Blackstone ring for something else.
Use the left value (AEP) for finding upgrades after being hit capped;
as there's no fucking way Truestrike are better after Hit Cap than Wyrmtongue.
another reason to do Strat Live O _O
sharp grotto
@plucky nymph this for al rogues atm? Or swords or daggers? Does it matter? My guild arguing with me lol
plucky nymph
It's stats... O _O
sharp grotto
They are arguing that this set canât be better than the true strike bis set list bc not enough hit lol
For OH dmg wonât be good enough with way more hit
calm temple
@sharp grotto http://www.mediafire.com/file/x3snc96eqssiz4f/RogueDPS_Bloodmoon_v.1.7.xls/file - to fix settings in google docs use:
File > Spreadsheet Settings > Turn Iterative Calculations On
Set it to 10,000
Threshold 0.05
Bloodmoon's spreadsheet works best with: https://www.wps.com/
simulate it yourself
and prove them wrong
plucky nymph
I would right after they stop using mediafire and having computational issues outside of WPS.
calm temple
it still works though
plucky nymph
That's nice.
calm temple
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
plucky nymph
People can still use it, I've no issue.
Get it off mediafire and I will refer people to it, as it is, it's a joke for being there.
ruby bridge
why not just upload it to onedrive?
plucky nymph
There's a hundred different hosts that aren't sketchy as fuck to link random people to.
ruby bridge
yes but hence its a excel document and onedrive supports such directly you could use it
if it works on gdocs thats more popular
plucky nymph
Yeah, there are some limitations that they mention about the reader.
Some calcs. break IIRC, reason they recommend WPS.
ruby bridge
also, i think the wps links could be seen as self adv./adv.
plucky nymph
Mmmmmaybe.
ruby bridge
is it view only or can you edit?
plucky nymph
Yeep
ruby bridge
so, nothing that would break the doc it seems
opening the doc without login in edge(so that i am logged out) seems that its read only, you know where to change the permissions?
plucky nymph
No I don't use 1drive for anything.
Can't see it from this side through the doc either.
ruby bridge
wired, given it says you can edit, but i assume you need to login to onedrive to do so?
maybe not best option to share if you need to do that
plucky nymph
Yeah it's useless if you cannot make a copy and edit it yourself.
sharp grotto
Lol I love how much they keep saying how more hit is more important
ruby bridge
ye, i thought its less restrictive
plucky nymph
When it comes to the sheets functionality I believe them entirely.
ruby bridge
well 
worth a try
plucky nymph
I mean the host can still change > _> just needs to hold the document.
Put that shit on Mega or something.
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
ruby bridge
uff its not working in gdrive in currrent format even with mentioned changes
ruby bridge
ill try importing it instead, lets see if i can fix it
maiden cave
its supposed to work in google sheets
I just used WPS personally, even if I'm not gonna use WPS for anything else
but yeah its silly that it's such a pain to use for a lot of people
ruby bridge
ye, using the import feature instead seemed to fixed it:
play around if you want:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PgC1r3LfrWVpiLqbFaPAsbuWulzJjkZq-3gIIKSysZI/edit?usp=sharing
plucky nymph
The host is my only issue, I get that features/formulation might be scuffed elsewhere.
worldly juniper
just scrolled up 6 pc shadow craft is that highly valued?
worldly juniper
crit / AP pieces
maiden cave
6pc SC is good, I can't get most of the shit to drop so I'm just gonna stick with the mixed gear that has good values, will make it easier to replace with NS at least
plucky nymph
It's a trade-off considering AGI still gives both of those things.
Are there no editing restrictions on this doc @ruby bridge
ruby bridge
no
plucky nymph
or has Google changed how sharing works?
ruby bridge
i wanted to do the same for onedrive(what obv. didnt work),
but you got full edit permissions on the linked google doc
plucky nymph
Course.
Still valuing hit pretty well.
Well either way I made a copy just in case.
calm temple
the spreadsheet is from the Rogue Classic server, I didn't upload it myself, WPS works just fine for it
plucky nymph
Yeah, other than having to DL something extra, it's working as intended.
But it also, works as a googledoc.
WF is almost 10% DPS O _O"
marble dune
i thoguht it would be more than 10% tbh
shadow tapir
But warriors out scale us đŚ
sharp grotto
@plucky nymph that info I was asking about earlier with the hit and all... is that based off lvl 60-63 targets or only the lvl 40 beta?
shadow tapir
The 9% hit and 305 weapon skill reducing it to 6% is based on a lvl 63 target
marble dune
rogues outscale warriors imo in later tiers
our tier set is dps
theirs is a tank set
its harder for them to find plate dps pieces (with no set bonus)
the top logs right now are 30-40 sec kill times
with warriors popping recklessness and getting insane parses
sharp grotto
Ah nice tawney
wraith parcel
They dont need plate dps pieces
They just snatch all the mail&leather pieces that are good
shadow tapir
Yeah, unless something has changed or I misremember warriors and mages stay ahead of rogue when theyre geared. Not that its a big deal, not like we are Enh shamans.
sturdy ferry
as undead, can i buy mount for orcs?
shadow tapir
Need to have the reputation with orgrimmar
wraith parcel
Yes its exalted
sharp grotto
But when we are geared they may be ahead in pve... it we will 2 shot mages! Lol
shadow tapir
Yeah pvp is its own beast for sure
unkempt cove
@sturdy ferry it's exalted
sturdy ferry
thanks
marble dune
whatever dps pieces they snatch up, is not gonna compete vs our tier sets
i raided in a top 10 world guild all throughout vanilla as a warrior (World first Broodlord, world 3rd thaddeus)
i had r14 gear too so i was smoking rogues in bwl->mid aq40
but once rogues gets their 2.5 tier set or naxx tier set, i didnt stand a chance
hence why i rolled a rogue this time around in classic
scaling on seal fate dagger rogues are insane in later tiers
70-80% crit on backstabs fully buffed
quaint grotto
So I've been looking aorund for some questions I have but have come up short, so here goes. When levliing up and then later when I'm lvl 60. When choosing a weapon what do I go by?
Weapon DPS, Weapon damage range, Weapon speed?
And in what hand should my fastest /slowest weapon be
main mesa
hey guys, is it better for proc weapon than a stat weapon? currently leveling at lv 34
shadow tapir
Just depends, damage range is probably more important
bitter pike
is there an assassination build for classic? I've done some looking but I'm not finding anything.
fair carbon
Youâre gonna have to wait for Seal Fate to get good for that
bitter pike
What do you mean, I'm not understanding.. wait till I can get that deep in the tree or wait till the ability is better?
tiny parcel
you need about 30% crit for it to start being good
bitter pike
ah ok, that makes more sense.
sharp grotto
Could we stack crit gear and make it work now? Or just not strong enough yet?
fair carbon
Not enough
It probably wonât be worth until like AQ
And even then itâs still a combat build
sharp grotto
Ah, yea I just love daggers as a class fantasy for rogues instead of swords lol
fair carbon
Just with Seal Fate
sharp grotto
In combat daggers now tho
sharp grotto
15/31/5 or whatever I am lol
fair carbon
I wanted to run that but then I realized it would be hell to use in solo content
sharp grotto
It actually isnât bad, Iâm 58 and honestly my SS hits fine but I have stronger opener with ambush lol
raven snow
can someone help me make a adrenaline rush + blade flurry macro
sharp grotto
Yea I decided I was close enough so I went away from lvling talents and went my spec I wanted
They are both on GCD canât really make a macro
Youâll have to hit it twice
And still track them separately bc the cds are different
I even specd out of riposte and shit
sharp grotto
Yea lol
fair carbon
Itâs not like people have a lack of keybinds
sharp grotto
In retail yea maybe... weâll before BFA lol but with everything on GCD just make blade furry 6 and AR shift 6 or something
fair carbon
Plus you wouldnât always want them together anyway
sharp grotto
Yea I barely use AR unless itâs a boss or I just was van die if I didnât kill quicker LOL
drowsy phoenix
rep bar exp no longer bleeds through map or shows at all times for me đ
fair carbon
sharp grotto
Lol I left herod when I got into a 9k que and waited 6.5 hrs
Said nope fuck that
Waited that long to play for 2 hours
noble sonnet
Hasn't been like that in maybe 2 weeks
sharp grotto
I left maybe 2-3 weeks ago maybe on first chance
noble sonnet
yeah lol it was bad at first
luckily I primarilly play in the mornings, so I'd just use remote to stay logged in đ
sharp grotto
I had to have a keyboard macro to keep my character moving so I could play lol fuck that
And then if restarts or something I got dc and have a que when I got home I cried
noble sonnet
lol
drowsy phoenix
I had no idea queues still existed
exotic trellis
Yes?
hidden basin
because atlas loot shows another trinket
instead of that one
so i got confused
it shows this one https://classicdb.ch/?item=11810
from general angerforge
exotic trellis
I think it also drops from Thaurissan on 1.12
fair carbon
Fun fact, keeping yourself logged in with Remote Desktop is a bannable offense according to a bluepost
But you can use it to get into queue
sharp grotto
Oh I know thatâs why I just moved instead of using a macro lol
fair carbon
Yeah
sharp grotto
Me and my buddies just wanted to play
plucky nymph
Classicdb is based on pServer data.
karmic viper
I've seen HOJ drop so it's in the game
edgy pond
yea on general & thaurissan
clever kayak
im grouped with a rogue that equipped vanq in offhand and sword of omen in mainhand 
name and shame
civic crest
so I have a question. which starts witha story. ever since I planned to play classic, I planned everything for P2, just to pvp, now Im not a great pvp'r and don't have unlimited time to grind rank 14, so i set out a goal for myself to at least hit rank 10. a little bit for the mount, but mostly for the full blue pvp set. Just now I looked at atlas loot and it shows the epic set as P2 but te blue set as P6... which got me thinking why in the world? and then I compared the blue set pure armor stats to the P3 (T2) armor stats to see if they really maybe were stronger then the T2 set, and they seem they are.... am I just making myself crazy right now or is the blue set really not coming out until P6?
plucky nymph
ooobby pixel accuracy
plucky nymph
lol
exotic trellis
I thought undead was more popular anyways
clever kayak
orc is better pve and pvp and looks better
heavily regret making my rogue undead
you only go undead if you really hate priests/warlocks
wraith parcel
A lot of them are chains which require you to run the instance multiple times
And you're not gonna do brd 1 single time, especially not as a rogue
plucky nymph
@worldly juniper Looks like
which is old as dirt.
There's even another step in-between
With this being what you assumed was "pre-raid bis"
There's also this option which skips Devilsaur
worldly juniper
so is that spreadsheet wrong for the DPS?
plucky nymph
No.
or well, it might be, but I've no way of telling.
The shadowpanther lists are using weights and does not calculate DPS in any way.
exotic trellis
still dont know if I want to go 6pc or 0pc shadowcraft
plucky nymph
6pc
sharp grotto
prob which ever you can get actually lol
plucky nymph
woop
plucky nymph
Nay.
exotic trellis
sooooo if yall were to level a warrior would you go 2H fury or 2H arms...
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/-55000005025012051
https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/023050213525100011
I think these would be the talents setup youd go up to 40 for both specs?
clever kayak
i would go 2h arms
the arms warriors i see all kick mega ass
top dps while tanking
exotic trellis
this is a pve server so dont consider wpvp circumstances
clever kayak
depends what u wanna do i guess, arms u can dps or tank, fury is just dps
but is slightly better i guess
near wagon
I have been looking for a weapon sswap macro dagger to sword any ideas?
sharp grotto
bc lower lvls as a warrior sucks ass and you have to bounce in and out with a 2hd for swing tmers and shit....
its actually better lvling till 40
daring thunder
You don't consider dual wield fury until you get blood thirst
But you're better off playing arms really while leveling
Stance dancing and sweeping strikes is a lot better for leveling, especially in dungeons
shadow tapir
Arms and tank dungeons with a 2h
Keep your weapon up you can kill things fairly quick
Most warriors use Heroic Strike way too much and apparently thats a big no no after 20
clever kayak
arms is pro
clever kayak
would you guys use sword of omen offhand or
for comparison
(vanq blade is mainhand)
shadow tapir
Omen
clever kayak
i heard dagger is better even if a bit worse, for poison proc rate
shadow tapir
I dont think Id call that a bit worse
Less dps, no stats
But I have no way to know for sure
nimble seal
@clever kayak for sure sword of omen
clever kayak
we need dat simc
worn wasp
Hello guys
I d like to add to riposte to this build fresh 60
Which point should I remove to add riposte?
plucky nymph
None, don't use Riposte @ 60.
plucky nymph
I mean SURE.
shadow tapir
Wonder if I could work a deal with someone who cant solo and help farm devilsaurs
Really dont wanna shell the gold
karmic bridge
I think I know the answer but can I train weapon skill on a dummy
shadow tapir
Like an engineer dummy?
karmic bridge
Oh are target dummies not even a thing yet 
karmic bridge
I forgot, didn't they go immune? or just unkillable
plucky nymph
đ đ đ
plucky nymph
I might actually farm something tomorrow for the remainder.
exotic trellis
im fucking only 70g
then again im 46
idk if I wanna buy devilsaur set
or if i want to buy a dagger instead
shadow tapir
Ive played AH a bit but slowed down after mount
shadow tapir
Can probably just find a good dagger drop though
exotic trellis
Heartseeker is definately one of them but
Alcor's Sunrazer? Felstriker? Lobotomizer?
probably not lobo
bonescraper ooh that looks good.
plucky nymph
The drops are strong enough.
fiery perch
So is 6pc shadowcraft with 2pc devilsaur the way to go?
fiery perch
I have devilsaur, along with most other bis pieces. Just looking at the source in the pins it looks like its score is a little higher. But i feel like trading the true strike shoulders and mask of the unforgiven for shadowcraft isn't worth because the hit rating they give.
sand cipher
oh sorry i was responding to crazy muffin's earlier message
shadow tapir
Finally!
sand cipher
in terms of pre-raid bis, the stuff in oto's rogue guide is the way to go. https://forum.elysium-project.org/topic/24333-otos-rogue-guide/ ctrl+f "bis"
@shadow tapir grats! i spent 3 days at mara for that beautiful ring lmao
exotic trellis
I dont like his choice of pre raid daggers
lobo takes up a debuff slot, electrified isnt out yet, felstriker is a fucking meme
calm temple
debuff slots are not an issue if its from a weapon
exotic trellis
no mention for heartseeker or the scholo dagger whatever the fuck its name is
wait hm?
calm temple
people are worrying too much about that
yeah, there's a system behind it
let me find it
shadow tapir
Bonescraper OH?
exotic trellis
yea that one
calm temple
best pre raid bis dagger setup is heartseeker/bonescraper
exotic trellis
yea
calm temple
or felstriker/bonescraper but thats not doable
read this if you're worried about debuffs from weapons
exotic trellis
ok so in classic they changed the debuffs to be a priority system
exotic trellis
and certain debuffs were put on higher priorirty
calm temple
correct
I think I'm going to be a dagger rogue
no competition whatsoever
but only once I get the gloves
exotic trellis
ya dont need ACLG I thought
since weapon expertise
and you only cap out at 308 weapon skill
calm temple
it makes daggers more convenient though
pallid valley
So I started with the combat tree and got weapons expertise is it worth now to go to the subtlety tree just for hemorrhage and serrated blades?
Like this
calm temple
if you're into world pvp, yes
it will gimp down your pve experience though
i wouldn't recommend
calm temple
git rekt
karmic viper
If you're getting Hemo for PVP you're better off going with cold blood as well. For PVE don't tho
broken dock
Why riposte
sharp grotto
I wouldnât run riposte at 60 at all
calm temple
this is the pvp spec i'd go
but this is useless right now
just go combat swords or daggers
autumn mortar
Guys what should i use in my shieldhand? mainhand is thrashblade https://i.imgur.com/hLJFhN0.png
Addon tells me to use the dagger
exotic trellis
How much is heartseeker normally on a server?
spark raptor
The dagger is shit, stick to the sword
dusk crystal
@exotic trellis I'd be mad too, fuk ret
spark raptor
You gain like 3dps from your dagger offhand, sacrifice offhand sword spec and stats for it, reasonable
sharp grotto
Well just was saying itâs not bad at all.... I would use dagger over sword. Iâm also combat dagger
And itâs 4.2dps better and also 1.5 vs 2.3... figure the poison proc alone would out dmg the sword just hoping for extra swing
vocal hornet
plucky nymph
Why does it require a login o _O
plucky nymph
7g in 25min pickpocketing ehhh
dry birch
i still feel like tyr's hand is a great farm. feelycraft as I haven't actually tracked my gph, but yeah
twice have been asked to help someone get a black lotus spawn and they give me 15g lol
plucky nymph
Whatcha farmin? Just kills?
dry birch
yee, just the 53-56 elites, pickpocketing too of course
dry birch
pp brd routes were making me lose my mind
sharp grotto
Yea I need to start pick pocket farming more.... I hadnât done shit
plucky nymph
2 in a row O _O i dy
dry birch
xD
atomic sigil
abt to make an alt, was wondering if dagger spec would be better if i'm leveling with a warlock (that has the tank pet out)
plucky nymph
The pet can't tank the warlocks damage, let alone yours.
atomic sigil
and i won't be leveling this one solo at all
ah
so sword it is then? or is dagger doable?
neat sun
IMO, you should focus on going into BRD with as many quests as physically possible.
I did like 9 BRD quests last night
And yes, it was a 6 hour run. lol
tender canyon
dry birch
yeah :*( there's another spawn inside the solo tower up the little hill
plucky nymph
Haven't seen it yet, think there might be another rogue around.
2 mages as well but they're staying out of the buildings.
shadow tapir
Wheres this place? EPL?
plucky nymph
Tyr's Hand ye.
shadow tapir
cool
shadow tapir
Not as chill Im sure
plucky nymph
Yeah this is pretty straight-forward, not even killing the mobs just picking.
Unless there are lone Archmages.
old stone
Herbalism doesnt seem to bring in that much money, not many spots to grind during my playing hours either. Gonna be a few weeks before I get that 250g I need
plucky nymph
Correct. There's a thousand people smashing those spots.
old stone
killing some winterfell furbolgs for rep / a little bit of cash
sharp grotto
Iâm 57.5 and canât find quest! Lol
Feel like Iâve done all but there may be 1-2 quest in each zone by then just dungeon spamming would be best?
signal ember
Miz, how's the f are you getting all those golds
and you may as well try get your pre raid bis loots from dungeons or just kill mobs
exotic trellis
so if yall had a choice between going for pserver bis or 6pc shadowcraft
which one would yall go for
exotic trellis
well considering how shadowpanther is 15 years old, sims arent out yet, and pservers list their version instead of the 6pc.
plucky nymph
What's their version?
exotic trellis
mask of the unforgiven, truestrike, etc
exotic trellis
WELP
plucky nymph
SC 6pc is EXTREMELY spikey as well
exotic trellis
i remember reading somewhere that like
the 6pc was bugged and procced more than it should
plucky nymph
Maybe.
exotic trellis
thats mainly where I asked the question about.
sharp grotto
Which is okay for me till they âfixâ it
Of course got to get the 6 pc first lol
plucky nymph
I do not believe it to be true however.
exotic trellis
kinda wish we had more sample size instead of going off of 15 year old websites and private servers.
plucky nymph
The math hasn't changed in 15yrs though
sharp grotto
Math is math
plucky nymph
Even the error in hit rating doesn't change anything because those pieces are so good stat wise that you would use them anyway.
and white hit is still important.
SC 6p from time to time feels broken though
sharp grotto
People see âadds 2% critâ and think stuff is better.... but it has 0 agi or anything but stam...... then SC is pumped full of agi.... my guild donât realize that
exotic trellis
how much cancer would it be to farm the set...
plucky nymph
I have been 60 for not long
the bracers are butt
It's much worse trying to get Cadaverous or something
exotic trellis
I was just gonna buy the bracers
plucky nymph
I might after mount.
sharp grotto
Run whatever 6 you can till you get the perfect 6 and then 2 devilsaur lol
plucky nymph
To be fair I am not sure how good DS actually is.
Can run the numbers after this Strat.
sharp grotto
Vs what? High agi pieces? Like SC or what
plucky nymph
sharp grotto
Ah TS and cad
My thought process is Iâll farm@for the tier and If I only get the other pieces then whatever.... lol
exotic trellis
I wish I had friends to raid with
plucky nymph
Find a guild > _>"
sly valve
Any pro pvpers here know of any good resources for gitting gud?
sharp grotto
Playing more
Sry if bad advice but best thing in pvp is just to play
And learn each class and what to do and when
Itâs the same on retail
sand cipher
can our offhand proc weapon specialization?
plucky nymph
yes
atomic sigil
is it worth learning and using bows while lvling early on?
is sacrificing the quiver slot worth it?
fossil steeple
if you get one with stats on it,think its worth learning just to get those stats
atomic sigil
ah right that makes sense ^
so just keep it on me for stats i guess, cuz gonna need all the bag space xd
shadow tapir
You dont have to have a quiver to use ranged weapons
The quivers and ammo pouches just increase attack speed. Just make sure to have ammo or arrows in your bags and equipped in character sheet.
@atomic sigil
plucky nymph
O _O
shadow tapir
15 more!
hidden basin
what's better, devilsaur gear or epic mount?
dry birch
mount first imo
atomic sigil
@shadow tapir cheers!
undone rivet
@gentle walrus I saw that you're using Pawn for classic, could you share your string, please?
or anyone that is using as well, could share, please?
broken dock
@plucky nymph did u farm brb pickpocket for golds?
clever kayak
thoughts on my combat WA? still deciding what to add:
the best part is the dynamic cooldowns on sprint/evasion based on talents and the color changing bar for various energy thresholds (25, 35, 40)
but thats hard to show
maiden cave
looks slick! I'd personally have it a bit less crowded around the middle (have the skills a bit lower), but that's preference
signal ember
ftw when two of wirt's third leg dropped within a hour
I really want to switch to mace now
worldly juniper
did blood moon delete his spreadsheet?
maiden cave
huh?
worldly juniper
clicked on the link further up and it said its deleted
worldly juniper
how do i import it into google sheets and make it work?
maiden cave
to fix settings in google docs use:
File > Spreadsheet Settings > Turn Iterative Calculations On
Set it to 10,000
Threshold 0.05
worldly juniper
thank you đ
calm temple
Mirahs OH
Skullforge is alright
but you want to go for Rends anyways
Not sure of that
Thrash Blade seems to be better
you need to think about it
it drains 60HP over 30 seconds
shadow panther uses fixed stat weights
you should just put it in the spreadsheet and simulate it yourself
sharp grotto
Can you have 2 skullforged? Or is it unique
Would be cool having 2 in your back lol
exotic trellis
So with heartseeker being a 500-600g NOT worth it investment, felstriker not existing, and bonescraper being really fast for a MH
Whatâs a good pre-raid MH for raiding
Wait I forgot Barman shanker
Itâs so fucking ugly though...
noble sonnet
Proc takes up a debuff too.
exotic trellis
Well, luckily classic has a debuff priority system where like procs like deep wounds or weapon procs (except nightfall) get pushed off first
So youâll never push off a curse of elements or something with a barmanâs
noble sonnet
oh cool. didnt know that
tropic karma
barman shanker is easy to solo farm
sharp grotto
Yea I love it to
maiden cave
@viral tusk you're perfectly fine going skullforge + mirah tbh
maiden cave
and you get the swag factor
sharp grotto
Is barman shanker basically the best MH for biggest hits till raid daggers?
The 2.00 speed and higher dmg range
I mean I still was getting 1600 evis in a dungeon lastnight with a dagger lol
calm temple
that may be
Felstriker is higher and also not raid
but impossible to get
droprate is so low
sharp grotto
Itâs higher what? Dps? I thought it was fast wasnât it
calm temple
range is higher than barman
sharp grotto
Ah damn I didnât think that! Barman highest one Iâll get then haha
calm temple
wait, you mean regular hits?
calm temple
why do you care about big hits?
sharp grotto
Well Iâm not paying 500-600 gold atm either
sharp grotto
Yea haha
calm temple
lol well
calm temple
never looked at it should be a lot cheaper
sharp grotto
Figured right now the prices on the bars and thorium and all that being high everywhere?
sharp grotto
Price it on yours and letâs see, Iâm curious
sharp grotto
Yea lol
Krol blade ainât worth but 150g
But I think itâs like 12 arcanite bars for the dagger which alone is what? On crazyâs server 600g?
Thatâs just the arcanite
tough pilot
Delil what server you play on out of curiosity.
sharp grotto
On earthfury (xfered from herod lol) itâs going from 125-200
1 guy been tryin to sell it for 200g for 2 damn weeks lol
shadow tapir
Booty bay gazette letâs you look up server prices
plucky nymph
@broken dock No.
languid juniper
Hey guys, does classic rogue have its own discord?
ruby bridge
there is a splitter discord for classic but this channel is also fine
languid juniper
I'm just collecting, can i have a link to the rogue class discord? :>
shadow tapir
plucky nymph
poorboitime
daring kelp
Hey guys, I need some advice. I got lucky and won a Core Hound Tooth and am now officially running a Combat Dagger spec. I'm in dire need for a decent OFFHAND part to my newly aquired Epic. I'm thinking Scarlet Kris, but there are none available on my server at the moment and I don't know how much to pay for one if I DO see one. Also, what would be a decent alternative? Bonescraper looks pretty decent. Sunrazor and Heartseeker are out of the question as I don't have my mount yet. Would you guys rock the Tooth in the mainhand for now as it has the best damage values out of all the daggers I own? Thanks in advance, please @ me or send me a DM if you can, any help is deeply appreciated.
sharp grotto
Where is new money amount screenshot @plucky nymph lol
timid sluice
@daring kelp the only daggers you should be putting in your MH before CHT are Perd or Gutgore. Instant attacks use the attack damage value (57-107) of your MH and the attack power contribution is normalized by speed. So not only will CHT give you stronger backstabs than the other daggers, but it will also give you more dps contribution on white attacks in your MH.
Hey guys, I'm a warrior and RL and wanted to do a bit of research into rogues so I can understand gearing and loot prio for melee better.
Since combat gets free 5% hit and +5 wep skill, why do rogues still aim for so much hit after yellow cap? I understand poisons and your OH hits giving energy goes into this, but wouldn't crit be a lot better after yellow cap?
And this brings me to my next question: When is Band of Accuria BIS until for rogues? As a tank, I use BoA for all of vanilla except for some rare moments where max mitigation would be used.
daring kelp
@timid sluice Thanks, my man. So Bonescraper would be the only Offhand that's worth getting for me at this point? I'm stuck with a Fright Talon and I'm ashamed of it.
plucky nymph
alright poorboiNow
hushed laurel
Poorfastboi?
plucky nymph
poorJetBoi
hushed laurel
I'm at 220ish gold, but I need to buy edgemasters before superfastundeadwarhorseofloveandjoy
plucky nymph
mmm, "need".
hushed laurel
I'm a 
warriors, weapon skill is BiS 5ever
hushed laurel
Tanking as arms seems like the worst possible option XD
hushed laurel
Decent on neff too
plucky nymph
Yeah.
hushed laurel
In in it for the consistent front flips though. Every 2 handed special besides fist weapons is a front flip slam
*1 handed
plucky nymph
Heckye
If I could do flips on my horse - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/627596279496835080/unknown.png
I would.
Hmmm, spreadsheet is throwing DIV/0's now.
thanks
lol
hushed laurel
People are astonishingly bad at making working exceel sheets
plucky nymph
They can be wonky.
hidden basin
How long does it take to grind the devilsaur armor by yourself?
plucky nymph
Works now, even with no new variables, just enough refreshes.
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
Devilsaur depends entirely on your class and server.
hidden basin
a highly populater server and i'm a rogue
like crazy queue shit
it's better now tho
one hunter told me it's a hard grind
and i'm here thinking if it's a hard grind for a hunter imagine a rogue
so i might just buy it
lol
hidden basin
and they are plus elites right?
drowsy phoenix
halfway to mount
plucky nymph
woo
drowsy phoenix
although that doesn't even matter! I'm still neutral with wintersaber trainers
hidden basin
is there an alternative for devilsaur armor?
like spend the gold on epic mount instead
hidden basin
what was SC? đ
plucky nymph
Shadowcraft đ
plucky nymph
What... yes.
drowsy phoenix
reject devilsaur, embrace dodge chance
hidden basin
ok cool
thanks
nice i might go to for the set looks sweet
two parts of it at least
plucky nymph
aaand the sheet broke again, great
sharp grotto
scarlet kris worth paying 60g for?
plucky nymph
Probably not.
sharp grotto
kk
plucky nymph
It's very good though.
sharp grotto
yea i was thinking about offering 50
signal ember
There's so many trib on my server so devilsaur set might be cheap soon
so I'm going elemental for that reason
plucky nymph
Grind for warbear, people spamming me for it đ
signal ember
Eh, I don't want to grind all those leathers and wildvine for trib
Got everything for elemental
pale lark
scarlet kris is 250g on my realm
lol
id buy it for 50 if you dont have bonescraper
if your running a pvp spec
exotic trellis
I woulda thought dragonscale was better so that you could supply the hunters something
shadow tapir
HoJ on 4th Angerforge kill, woo
shadow tapir
Yeah pretty lucky
rolled a 100 and the other dude a 94 lol
Anyone know how Lord Generals sword stands up to Thrash Blade?\
plucky nymph
There's a website for this.
exotic trellis
when's someone gonna make an APL for simc/raidbots for classic.
spark raptor
added new sim durations: 20s, 30s, 45s
plucky nymph
!!!
rapid night
https://i.imgur.com/AzaH3MP.png This a decent OH? (Would be replacing Vanq Sword OH @ 54)
rapid night
Cheers - is there an up to date spreadsheet available someone is maintaining for reference? Tempted to fork the old Shadowcraft repo =X
plucky nymph
There are nearly no interesting interactions other than what weight Hit has past the cap, so a chart does perfectly fine.
kind elbow
any big time classic rogue pvpers here?
ideally with r14/private server xp? had a few questions about builds
drowsy phoenix
leave it to horde mages to not learn block
neat sun
RIP - just lost eye of rend to a warrior
dusk owl
tryhard ST build as a mage in MC patch 
shadow tapir
? Isnt that what we do too?
dusk owl
don't think it counts when we don't have a choice 
shadow tapir
Definitely does, if you had to choose AR or a defensive for raid everyone would choose AR
dusk owl
i'm mainly talking about locking himself into that particular spec, there's an effective ST build that goes deeper into frost talents to gets most of the AoE plus ice block aha
dusk owl
ik but it's not that far behind and doesn't destroy your dungeon damage
shadow tapir
If defense was a concern to DPS we would consider stam more on gear then suddenly BiS is different
sharp grotto
Lol yea lvling I went mainly stam
frosty rover
I'm raiding with hemo pvp spec
fck it
not like dps was a concern for Ony/MC anyway
exotic trellis
People gonna fucking complain about you doing half the DPS of your other rogues, thatâs for damn sure
You wonât even have hemo applied because fucking deep wounds from some fury warrior is gonna drop it off
bleak yacht
Anyone using pickpocket macros with their cheapshot? I feel it works 50% of the time
/cast Pickpocket
/stopcasting
/cast Cheap Shot
like this
maiden cave
/cast Pick Pocket
/cast Cheap Shot```it works 100% of the time for me, sometimes you just have to loot the mob twice
because it doesn't get the loot in time, but it's still there, just gotta loot twice
bleak yacht
so the stopcast isnt needed?
thought it was for making sure I actually get the loot and not go into cheap shot too fast
maiden cave
I've had no issues with this, just got used to looting twice
with LTP you loot fast anyway
bleak yacht
LTP ?;p
exotic trellis
Leatrix plus
bleak yacht
isnt auto loot enough then? đŽ
I dont think the pocketing is working everytime still. do I need LTP?
hmm not many pickpockets actually go through
past arrow
anyone have any luck with mouse over blind macro ?
sharp grotto
Do any of yâall have macros for most abilities? I was watching some dude that had like 10k+ viewers lastnight and he had a macro for almost all abilities. Were they start atk macros or what
hidden basin
what's better reach 60 go LBRS/UBRS or go as you lvl?
daring kelp
You'll likely have an easier time finding groups for it at 60. It's hard enough as it is with that much competition as everyone needs drops from there.
plucky nymph
@bleak yacht The looting with Leatrix's faster looting enabled is almost unusably fast.
hidden basin
Yeah you are right skytzo i'll just focus on questing
daring kelp
@hidden basin it's also nice to do the rest of your questing, if you still have many quests left, at 60. They give a decent chunk of gold at 60. So if you're able to grind out the last levels you're missing you might have a decent "money making" option. Quest zones seem to be pretty contested on Sundays, so it might be worth considering.
hidden basin
Yeah that's what I was thinking. Rather quests and make gold then do dungeons.
I see i'm doing a nice amount of gold while questing
Even if slower the gold is nice
neat gulch
is there a pawn string for classic outlaw? im new here dont know where to look
clever kayak
classic outlaw đ¤
candid dragon
pawn strings D:
willow kayak
Is anyone here leveling with daggers? What talents do you use
I love to world pvp but swords arenât that good at it so I want a decent pve and good pvp build
neat gulch
so thats a no then
willow kayak
Outlaw doesnât exist in classic
clever kayak
nor do pawn strings
willow kayak
Pawn strings arenât a thing
clever kayak
for plebs
willow kayak
Oh mb then idk. I didnât think a pawn string is needed since classic is so simplistic especially combat swords
plucky nymph
For idiots, not plebs.
ruby bridge
haha, just port simc to classic
plucky nymph
that escalated FAST
OI, everyone check your AHs for a Bottomless Bag recipe, large servers only.
o _o
12 epic mounts INC
karmic bridge
did you get your mount yet
dry birch
ez gem