how much dps do i lose if i just ignore this swing timer crap
#classic-discussion
broken pollen
drowsy phoenix
what's with eviscerate crunching low level mobs?
fair carbon
@broken pollen Depends on if you're using SS or not
Sword Spec*
It'll be a very large amount if you ignore it
And you are
drowsy phoenix
if you really dont wanna deal with it, pick another weapon spec
orchid plume
what's the swing timer stuff?
drowsy phoenix
sword spec extra swings
they consume your next auto attack and therefore set the time before the next one to full
orchid plume
so sinister strike right after your main hand hits?
drowsy phoenix
pretty much
broken pollen
damn gotta have spiderman reflexes
broken pollen
i need macro that does sinister strike .01 sec after my MH swing
broken pollen
so how the hell does rogue make big gold
i was gonna farm devilsaur leather on my lock but i swaitched to rogue. rogue can not solo devilasuars
rapid night
Updated my Combat Swords WA - would love some feedback if anyone is interested in trying it out for a bit. ♥
plucky nymph
boxboxboxboxbox
dull pilot
anyone know of an addon that restocks flash powder or poison reagents, or just reagents in general upon visiting a vendor?
got it to work with TSM
broken pollen
im hearing some people say PP was nerfed from actual vanilla not just pservers
if thats true that's BS, nerf lock/hunter solo'ing elites fo gold too
plucky nymph
If you're comparing numbers from private to retail you shouldn't take it as abject truth.
broken pollen
yeah im not sure if they are certain its just random reddit posts. i need someone trying on live but im 2 low lvl
err classic
onyx nymph
hushed laurel
pickpocketing wasnt worth shit in vanilla. never was.
echo junco
is weapon damage the sole factor in determining main hand? or if you have a way higher dps weapon is that better in MH even if its a bit lower weapon damage?
shadow tapir
Anyone ahve any good weapon swap macros? I can make one to swap weapons in bag slot but I have a tendency to spam buttons so it swaps over and over. Trying to find a way to stop that
signal ember
@broken pollen I soloed the devilasuars back in vanilla with no issue. Not going tribe tho, going for elemental this time
p;lo8k+/
wooden vale
this one seems ok
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast Sinister Strike
so you auto attack even if ur energy starved
somber hawk
Any other things to keep in mind other than trying to Sinister right after MH swings with sword spec?
versed cedar
dont spam out energy since interrupt costs energy 😉
glossy portal
new rogues have to learn, that if your energy is not overflowing you are not losing dps
north lintel
Any1 have a working expose armor cancel attack macro? Please share
mighty burrow
does that sinister strike macro work with backstab as well? @wooden vale
wooden vale
not sure, i'd assume so
mighty burrow
np, it's pretty much just making sure you resume autoattacking after you cast right?
north lintel
@mighty burrow it does.
wooden vale
mainly for when you're switching to a new target
so instead of standing there doing nothing
it will either SS or auto
mighty burrow
awesome, tyvm
north lintel
@mighty burrow Auto attack will start as soon as you use a spell. But if you change target without enery you cant use your ability = autoattack wont start, thats why you use this macro.
wooden vale
exactly
mighty burrow
oh okay i understand
north lintel
@wooden vale do you happen to know the expose armor stop attack macro? I can't seem to get mine working for classic.
somber hawk
do it like we did back in the day
expose armor from a really shallow angle
the radius for special attacks is wider than autos
north lintel
@somber hawk yea I know how to do that, but i prefer not needing to
north lintel
nah
glossy portal
why do you want to stopattack after expose ?
north lintel
So I can cast expose armor within qouge/sap without breaking cc
glossy portal
I remember thing with Garrot being that using angle was the only way not to break sap back when that was a thing
well, maybe not the only, but go to
aa was around 170 degree, special attack 180?
north lintel
Yea you can use the angle with expose to. But I prefer using the macro. I know it exists.
I just dont know how to make it work for 1.13 client
glossy portal
/cast expose /stopattack doesn't work ?
north lintel
no
late yew
Anyone here from Kirtonos?
shy turtle
anyone know how close daggers and swords are in dmg, mc/bwl?
cerulean idol
What’s best professions for rogues?
late yew
Eng for the added burst
swords are better leveling daggers are better late game/pvp if im correct
gloomy hawk
for the rogue class quest
at lvl 20
do i need high stealth level?
the mob keep detecting me
even though im behind him
verbal tiger
is this a good leveling guide? https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-classic/classic-rogue-leveling-guide
raven snow
i said no to a person that asked me to unlock a 225 lockbox for 3 Sil. am i cheap or is he?
verbal tiger
it says to level with swords and then use daggers when in a dungeon is that about right?
raven snow
^
verbal tiger
apparently you should equip daggers though when in a dungeon
for ambush and backstab damage being beter?
acoustic heath
why
porbably not no
depends how deep you are specced into combat I guess
but you blast through dungeons anyway
bitter talon
Does anyone have a macro for pickpocketing on an opener?
steel condor
Is there a decent lockpicking guide?
bitter talon
Idk how good this one is considering mine is only like 140 but it worked for me so far. Do keep in mind that on the guide the 75-110 lockboxes are reversed on horde side, so the 75+ ones are outside the mine not inside.
If you didn't do poison quest yet you can get it up to 125 for free by just deleting the item and re-opening it aswell.
robust moon
I dumbass did that quest before realizing that I can level my lockpicking
echo shore
The comments on it say you can go back and just use the lockpick spell to pick the lock
Haven’t tested though
night loom
Hi, so I hit level 50 and wanted to start my classquest "A Simple Request", but none of the npcs who are supposed to hand out the quest have it. What am I doing wrong or what am I missing? Thanks in advance.
bitter talon
Oh wow that makes me even dumber, I did the lockpicking at stonetalon
verbal tiger
how do i wield swords i went to weapon trainer there is no sword option
night loom
@verbal tiger The Sword Trainer is in Stormwind
verbal tiger
they're not all the same?
night loom
no, every weapon trainer teaches something else
verbal tiger
oh...
versed cedar
for horde you got swords at UC and maces at TB
winged crystal
i spent way too much time figuring that out the other day when a mace dropped in WC i could use
night loom
I wrote macros for every single ability
cyan vessel
LUL
tame geyser
/cast "mount"
/dismount
doesn't work?
bitter talon
does anyone know the expose armor macro without auto attacking?
loud tree
@night loom
From what I see, the lvl 50 class quests aren't in this phase. Not sure which phase they will be in either. Maybe phase 5 with the tier 0.5 armor?
winged crystal
i'm just super sad my azeroth auto pilot stopped working
mossy adder
Yeah mine broke around level 15 disabled it and have been using questie only now
winged crystal
i got to 24 somewhere in stonetalon. it just disappears haha. installed questie but that arrow guiding me was truly magical
orchid ledge
anyone knowing about a site where i can check all the sets with different races?
gloomy hawk
the bad thing about
using swords to level is that by the time you reach 60, your dagger proficiency would be low
then you gonna have to level those again
im thinking to just use sword/dagger to level but i'm not sure if its as good as swords/swords
winged crystal
its fine unless you use sword specialization
gritty goblet
what was the argument for using ss at the end of a white swing?
saw a discussion a while ago here
winged crystal
you use it right after you swing when you have sword specialization
gritty goblet
ah, why?
winged crystal
i believe it involves getting your swing timer reset, or it's to potentially get an extra swing after the SS, or a combination of both
shadow tapir
Sword spec procs reset swing timer so you dont want to reset it with SS right before your auto
gritty goblet
@shadow tapir ah gotcha
north vapor
So Im pretty new to rogue pvp. Using this build https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fhe0RxkZhZxMe0cGRo or basically any of the 60 pvp builds I was just wondering how you avoid being kited by hunters/mages wothout improved sprint
gritty goblet
imp sprint isn't a requirement, you can win 1v1's with those classes without it
also, you can have a pvp build that goes into imp sprint
e.g dagger pvp
for which cb is pretty much a waste
north vapor
I see. Might look into going for the dagger spec then. Still wanna play around with cb evis while its still in the early phases
sharp grotto
Dagger spec is fun for big hits on clothies with ambush and backstabs lol
winged crystal
CB is fun but the 3m cooldown makes it pretty meh outside of it. for 1v1 and world stuff it's a blast
sharp grotto
I’m not sure if I want to focus pve or pvp yet so idk what I’ll want to build later, but combat is fun atm... anyone close to my lvl or even 4-5 lvls higher I can best bc SS hits so hard lol...
I’m 33 and was beating a 40 lock lastnight that tried ganking me
1 SS crit would do like 30% of his life haha
sharp grotto
It’s even more fun when another rogue tries ganking you... and they are a true classic garbonzo player and you beat them when they are a few higher lol
cyan vessel
[Vanquisher's Sword]MH [Sword of Serenity] OH
pretty bad right?
what do i loose if OH is slow too?
winged crystal
4.5 lvls and I'm going hemo until dagger pvp at 60. that's my overall plan so far
sharp grotto
I use to love hemo back in vanilla, I loves mace stun build to
May go a blended mace stun / hemo type for shits and gigs
winged crystal
i'm leveling on a pvp server and want to do roguey things from the shadows
sharp grotto
I’m on pvp server and don’t even stealth lol just walk up and whop em with SS and they fall over... UD bis race in classic imo... locks and priest just can’t handle it
vocal hornet
lol my first attempt at a sap/pickpocket and dude RP creeps. gtfo.
no more sneeaky for me. Whoppem in the face.
winged crystal
I just like moving faster in stealth, sapping to kill mobs that are close, stuff like that
sharp grotto
Yea I miss sap and not coming out of stealth but eh combat so strong lvling
vocal hornet
lol at 5man boss damage.
Ill blame the +hit on higher level mobs, cause that was over and over again.
I get dunked on during AOE, but the ST is silly.
winged crystal
that'll happen when our only aoe is a 2m cd you have to spec into 🤣
winged crystal
i'm not sure how much pve i'm going to be doing. instances while leveling here and there but i'm not sure I'm ready to be doing 40m raids again
rugged patrol
finally got my gurubashi grand master quest done last night 😎
stoic cairn
@vocal hornet https://i.imgur.com/CZX2PYb.png
got both - leggins and gauntlets.. some big money incoming :D
sharp grotto
What lvl are you @stoic cairn I’m tryin to rush to get to farming those patterns to... 210 LW waiting on thick leather lol... only lvl 33 tho
stoic cairn
59 1/2
sharp grotto
Nice get it today!
winged crystal
dayum, i'm lvl 25 and my herb/alch are atrocious
should have went skinning/leather I think but I wanted to be able to farm that fade leaf/swiftthistle
sharp grotto
I’ll say LW is the easiest to lvl....
winged crystal
I was stuck in that end game mind set
sharp grotto
Bc basically every mob is your materials
winged crystal
LW would have been great for leveling
sharp grotto
LW is bis for pre raid items and shit is what I heard bc the devilsaur so I went that
winged crystal
yeah, I went with oh i'll replace it raiding and won't need it that long
sharp grotto
Money was on my mind to, bc there will always be fresh 60s wanting starting gear haha
winged crystal
meanwhile I can't even herb kingsblood or anything else outside of the barrens
and can't make better than lesser healing potions 🤣
sharp grotto
Lol! Get to farming
winged crystal
this thing called work, really getting in the way
dusk crystal
your work is in azeroth now
tough pilot
anyone know why classic aura durations/lib classic durations arent on Twitch? cant seem to find them for the life of me
or is it built into omni cc or something? cause i can find omni cc but not either of the other two.
sly valve
that addon is such a godsend
tough pilot
I can find it on curseforge, but not twitch addon. its odd as hell.
omni cc pops up, everything else pops up
but not the durations
really strange.
jade bobcat
What is the best Horde Rogue Racial for both Pvp and Pve ?
plucky nymph
🔮
echo shore
Before i get Sword Specialization , does it matter if i have a dagger or sword in my off hand?
Human if it chnages it
fossil steeple
daggers are usually faster,so prolly more poison procs,other than that not sure if it matters
loud tree
@jade bobcat
https://shadowpanther.net/races.htm
plucky nymph
rain jacinth
i mean
i have 4 daggers
and need to know best of the 2 to use
all considred BSI at my lv
torturing poker, meteor shard, toxic revenger, and swinetusk shank
plucky nymph
Highest DMG MH, best stats+speed OH.
exotic trellis
that sounds like
some twink ass shit
how do I change my name only in this channel
sly valve
How useful is LW at early levels? I picked up skinning and herbalism since they seemed like easy moneymakers early on.
plucky nymph
You close your eyes and imagine a different name.
plucky nymph
sly valve
What level are you?
plucky nymph
taking donations
plucky nymph
Depends on what training you mean.
jolly walrus
Lads&lladettes, do we want deadly poison in MH or OH? in conjunction with instant poison
plucky nymph
Never Deadly.
jolly walrus
no? double insta?
drowsy phoenix
miz I mean whatever race you are mount training
silver walrus
guys i downloaded real mob health but it doesnt show the hp on the frame
any addons that shows hp in frame
?
broken pollen
best gold making method for rogue?
plucky nymph
@drowsy phoenix Yeah it's 72+18
worldly juniper
hey guys is it worth using SS during leveling i feel like its a dps loss
wooden vale
what else u gonna do with ur energy?
worldly juniper
SS and vis
plucky nymph
...
pallid tinsel
it worth saving matts for helm of fire while lvling?
unkempt cove
@broken pollen as u start leveling make sure to pickpocket humanoids if you're opening with an ambush. Other than that same as other classes. Just play ah and gathering professions.
Sell all greens on ah even if it's just a couple silver more than it would vendor for. Only time you wouldn't post is if the current lowest post for the item is not greater than the cost of vendoring+ah fee
plucky nymph
O _O
north vapor
So if there's ppm on poisons why does it matter if your OH is slow or not?
or fast rather
plucky nymph
Because weapon speed in proc formula isn't normalized and a faster weapon will net you more procs.
north vapor
So do you think Sword of Serenity or Speedsteel Rapier for OH?
exotic trellis
FIERY WAR AX
plucky nymph
Vendor for 2g oooor... hmmm...
wraith parcel
daring thunder
peepo
north vapor
SoS is 2.2 30 dps SSR is 28.7dps 1.8 speed but has 8 agil so probably better
for OH anyways
shadow tapir
stats and faster for poison procs so likely
errant timber
guy teabagged me after
yeah just proc windfury twice on the same attack
then pretend like i got outplayed 
plucky nymph
eh WF Weapon is +2 attacks after... some level... I think always actually.
ye R1 is +2
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plucky nymph
/clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap /clap
errant timber
kinda, you lose the ability to poison main hand
plucky nymph
oh nooooo
plucky nymph
That depends entirely on what you want the macro to do.
plucky nymph
#showtooltip
/use Instant Poison iii
/use 16
---------------
#showtooltip
/use Instant Poison iii
/use 17
Those are reeeeeeeeally basic.
or get an addon, though I dunno about those working atm.
Poisoner MIGHT be working > _>
will check
Weapon 1 (16)
/use [nomod] instant poison VI
/use [mod:alt] mind-numbing poison
/use [mod:ctrl] deadly poison VI
/use 16
/click StaticPopup1Button1
Weapon 2 (17)
/use [nomod] crippling poison
/use [mod:alt] deadly poison VI
/use [mod:ctrl] instant poison VI
/use 17
/click StaticPopup1Button1
Should also work, though you would have to update the ranks according to your current ranks.
Nope, Poisoner doesn't work as is.
gloomy hawk
thanks
dusk crystal
anyone know how to say go to retail as horde to ally 
plucky nymph
lol
errant timber
regens just a tad faster
old stone
blinding powder is from fadeleaf, flash powder is just vendor or pickpocket boxes
verbal tiger
for rogues is strength = 1 point of attack power?
exotic trellis
yes
bitter talon
You can get blinding powder aswell from pickpocketing mobs, sometimes it drops out of the lockboxes you can get from them
versed cedar
@verbal tiger rogue stuff vendor
verbal tiger
thanks, also is it like a one time use thing? will it disappear after i use it
exotic trellis
fuck, where should I go quest....
im like 32, should I go to Stranglethorn Vietnam, Southshore in Hillsbrad, Desolace, Stromgarde keep in Arathi...
im on a PvE server so im not worried about the trees speaking orcish
versed cedar
just take one and quest until they get to hard, then go to the next
guess you have to visit at least 2 or 3 on your way to 40
winged crystal
you get the tools from doing the lock pick rogue quest, it's free
tough tartan
how do i make a macro that swaps between two different commands each click I do?
I want to make a macro for my classic lock
with /petattack and /petfollow
in one
but idk how
or if its even possible
winged crystal
i'm not sure, but if I remember they would have to go in order so you'd always have to alternate them. I usually just set it up as 2 action slots with 2 keybinds, but make one of them a shift modifier
tough tartan
found something, might this work?
/petfollow [target=pettarget,exists]
/petfollow [target=pettarget,noexists]
/petattack [@target]
that macro seems to work if I dont have a target when i want to pull it back
vocal hornet
I only wear it for the mog. Already have better stuff at the same lvl
but my group was excited for me to get it. So i put it on.
ornate laurel
Hi, I am maining rogue in classic and have very little experience with the class. I am going combat swords. I plan to raid, but I would also like to learn pvp. Is combat viable for pvp if I want to succeed? Or do I have to go a dagger build to be competitive?
loud tree
while lvling you can totally do well in world pvp as combat, but at 60 the more bursty or rush down builds will be better
ornate laurel
Can those build use swords?
ornate laurel
How hard is it to switch specs often in classic?
vocal hornet
very expensive.
it runs up to 50g. as a Priest I would flip holy to shadow and back. Thats 100g
ornate laurel
Is there a build that is very powerful for pvp and pve
vocal hornet
rogues probably wont have to switch nearly as often though
ornate laurel
I have been learning combat and I enjoy the spec, but people keep telling me I cant pvp in that spec
loud tree
you can make it work, but it's not the best option for sure
there's not much of a dual purpose spec until seal fate really
winged crystal
you can be either the best pvp spec, the best pve spec, or a combination of both but they will not be the best
there isn't a way to be top dog in both at the same time, spec wise
ornate laurel
Understandable
loud tree
yeah, it sucks 
winged crystal
i'm dealing with it now as well, even for leveling
i want to go hemo/sub for some for some fo the advantages, but I also want to be outputting the most dmg possible.
ornate laurel
Well my guild.wants me on combat swords for.raiding, and I very much like that build. I guess my pvp dream is dead.
winged crystal
i'm not even planning to raid and I still can't decide if I want to drop combat
ornate laurel
I wonder what honor rank I could get using the pve build
shadow tapir
delicate stone
RIGHT?
ornate laurel
So if I am focusing on swords and i want to switch to a pvp spec without changing weopons, I could be competitive with a hemo.sword build?
shadow tapir
Master of Cheese probably knew about it all those years!
winged crystal
that's where I was leaning. I'm combat sword lvling only 26 but was thinking to go hemo at 30 since i'm on a pvp server. but with no battle grounds to do i'm not even sure it's worth it
i'm using MH sword/mace OH dagger so i'm lvling each of the weapons pretty evenly. don't have sword specialization so not missing out on that
plucky nymph
Taking Sword Spec early is a big ol fat nono
winged crystal
yeah it's not even in my leveling path, I was just being clear lol
ornate laurel
I dont think there are multiple bar pages on classic.either. so I would have to.change all my ability hot keys each time I switched spec as well.
delicate stone
Hemo was viable in pvp with something like 4k attack power iirc.
plucky nymph
There are pages that you can scroll through.
winged crystal
i'm basically leveling on my own, occasionally with friends. I just don't want to spec into hemo/sub and have it be more difficult, more downtime than what i'm doing with combat
plucky nymph
But nothing contextual.
ornate laurel
Maybe I should just level 2 rogues
Or just learn another class for pvp
Because I am certain I want to raid with combat rogue
loud tree
doo itt! i'll have two rogues eventually
winged crystal
is anyone out there leveling without combat? going into sub or is literally everyone combat?
loud tree
my next rogue i'm gonna go slow and mess around with sub probably
winged crystal
i really miss actually using stealth effectively 🤣
ornate laurel
Should I just make a second orc for my pvp rogue. Or undead?
loud tree
same lol stealth is just fun to me
winged crystal
the increased speed, proper sapping, increased stealth and better detection
that's why I want to but I know not to at least until hemo bc LOL at 45cost SS while leveling
loud tree
orc or ud are both good for pvp
https://shadowpanther.net/races.htm
plucky nymph
UD > Orc :3
winged crystal
i went UD 
loud tree
fem orc
winged crystal
does anyone know how much the first 2 respecs cost? like if I went sub and for whatever reason back to combat? If it's not too much I can justify it
loud tree
garona wannabe
winged crystal
it'll be awhile before i'm 60 and specing again
errant timber
1 g and then 5g
winged crystal
oh shit...
loud tree
better get to gold farmin
ornate laurel
I want to make pvp work with the raid build somehow.
winged crystal
you just can't. you can have a build that is decent at both, but not exceptional at both
winged crystal
i'd rather expose armor than SND in pvp
vocal hornet
when you talk about Raid/pve, gotta think about the debuff cap.
rip garrote or rupture or hemo or Expose.
leaves us with mongo white swords snd with sword spec and snd. still big damage
winged crystal
i have that advantage of I don't plan on raiding lol
vocal hornet
then do what you do
get a nice sub build and no one will care in dungeons, as long as your st is still good
i personally cba to stealth for quests, Busy pulling with knife throw and SS their faces.
winged crystal
it's so handy for caves and stuff
but yeah... that's why i'm back on the fence about specing
ornate laurel
Im also on the knife throw SS strat xD
sly valve
Same
gloomy hawk
the throw knife
ability
felt so clunky
cause it has cast time
i miss bfa instant throw knife lol
which 1 is better late game
knives or bows ?
loud tree
crossbows and bows
plucky nymph
heythatworks
They both work -
Poison Application Mod Macros
Weapon 1
#showtooltip
/use [nomod] instant poison
/use [mod:alt] mind-numbing poison
/use [mod:ctrl] deadly poison
/use 16
/click StaticPopup1Button1
Weapon 2
/use [nomod] crippling poison
/use [mod:alt] deadly poison
/use [mod:ctrl] instant poison
/use 17
/click StaticPopup1Button1
i hate how it counts by charges
but i guess this macro helps
is there an addon that could show combo points on top of health bar ?
plucky nymph
Counts by charges and time, can always turn off the bits you don't like.
I just use my own trackers as I want to know when the shaman is fucking up WF totem or not.
brokenConsumable
plucky nymph
Instants unless you have WF in group
plucky nymph
Windfury Totem from Shaman.
Instant on both for DPS, only on OH if you have a 32+ Shaman in your group.
bold prawn
okay thanks for the info!
winged crystal
deadly breaks gouges and in raids takes up a valuable debuff slot
i'll throw on crippling sometimes if I'm fighting a bunch of mobs that have a tendency to run, but obv that's not going to add dps
bold prawn
how do u deal with the level 20 rogue quest do u just do it later?
seems like u cant solo this shit
winged crystal
it's easier at 22, or you need help
winged crystal
at 22 you get distract and vanish
guy at top can be killed with 2 ambush attacks
so when you get vanish at 22 it's much easier. or 2 rogues can each hit and kill him
winged crystal
yeah when I did it there was another rogue, so we each helped each other. 1 ambush from each of us and he was isntantly dead
bold prawn
ah
winged crystal
it's not a dps number, it's like a hidden mechanic that he dies in 2 ambushes. I don't think it matters how much it hits him for
dusty raven
can rogues tank low level dungeons?
bold prawn
@winged crystal would this technique work solo?
winged crystal
problem is the only way you can get 2 ambushes is with vanish at lvl 22
apparently he has a grace period after you vanish that you can get a 2nd in, think it's meant that way for the fight
shadow tapir
He should be vulnerable to backstab also according to the journal
winged crystal
if you can get the gouge off, ltos of mobs that much higher than you will resist them
or bring a buddy!
latent summit
Nice Weak Auras linked, will import em when I get home tbh.
does anyone know a method of setting up icons for cooldown abilities so that the icon is visible with cooldown counter if a) the spell is on cooldown (used) OR b) player is in combat (just to hide stuff away when running around).
latent summit
I couldnt get it to work, displaying when used and cooldown counter but when I go into combat and ability is NOT on cooldown for whatever reason I just get it to show a black box with red "?"...
(trying this in WA to customize with other stuff I have)
want it for a lot of things, like adrenaline, will of the forsaken, gouge, sprint etc.
winged crystal
I have mine setup currently to show evasion/sprint as normal color when ready to use. When I use them I get a timer for the duration, when they finish it turns grey and has a CD timer. I'm 99% sure I could also tick "show in combat only"
latent summit
ok maybe try that just that I love WA for other stuff... but maybe 1 addon more couldnt hurt 😉
winged crystal
it functions very similar, I used this before I discovered WA
just setting up WA sometimes it's really a lot. like you can setup a ability timer but not a cd timer so you make 2 of them and put them on top of each other to get the final result
but i'm going to get it for those poison ones above
sly valve
@bold prawn I didn't kill a single enemy in that quest. Just pick pocket the dude outside, then stealth through to the top, sap the boss guy and loot the chest. Then just jump down and run out. Doesn't really matter if you get killed at that point. I did the whole thing naked.
sharp grotto
I mean the quest you had to kill a couple tho?
shadow tapir
You don't have to kill anything, Alliance side at least
sharp grotto
The lvl 20 one for horde, you have to pick pocket a guy, kill 2 guys at bottom of tower, kill 3 mid way through tower then get the thing out of the box iirc
shadow tapir
Thats how it is for Alliance but it doesnt tell you to kill anyone
Just to get the key and open the box. You have the option of pick pocket or kill
sharp grotto
There was ones we had to kill on horde side
shadow tapir
That sucks : /
latent summit
horde poison quest is stupidly hard at lvl 20, you can do it, but not for your average or casual player at all.. requires help, doing it later or really pro playing.
sly valve
Ah didn't realize there was a difference for horde
The log you get mentions the enemies are all weak to backstab and ambush though.
I didn't have a dagger though, just swords.
So I elected to sneak instead
shadow tapir
Its pretty hard for alliance too, pick pocketing is rough since he just sees stealth. I've heard of people just sprinting in to pocket then running though
Was easy for me but I was questing until 22 before I went and did it
sly valve
Yeah, I had to be quick
I did it naked because I knew I'd die a couple of times at least
red badger
How does sub do in casual dungeons at 60? I don't want to constantly farm money to swap specs all the time so I want a decent pve spec that can hang in pvp, I'll probably be mostly pvping
plucky sparrow
@sly valve 😂 naked, that me chuckle
exotic trellis
Vanilla isn’t a hard game, hemo spec does like 60-70% damage of a combat rogue in raiding but for dungeons that doesn’t matter
Honestly you can still kill people in PvP with a combat sword spec cuz ur a fucking rogue
tough pilot
Yup I've had honestly 0 issue with PvP lately as sword combat. (51 here)
slender storm
Hemo is just fun as shit and “good enough” for most dungeons
turbid orchid
Is it still hemo swords or w daggers
exotic trellis
you can do either.
swords for dungeons, daggers for pvp
i dont think you take a specialization for swords, backstab, sinister strike, or daggers anyways
turbid orchid
I think imma do the swords build then, I’m having a blast.
sly valve
Doing a little grinding on my future twink rogue on my work pc and it looks pretty good!
I should just be happy this dinosaur runs the game period. Haha
exotic trellis
THAT'S A LOTTA POTIONS
sly valve
yeah, they seem to be attracted to me
orchid jacinth
Hey, Could anyone tell me the best leveling spec for Rogue?
errant timber
i need to gold farm for my mount zz
idle cedar
I was actually gonna ask if there were any rogue-friendly farming spots to farm ~38-42 for gold
bold wharf
questing honestly
or dungeon grinding.
could also respec subtlety and go and pickpocket RFD or something
red badger
I'm definitely not going to have enough gold for my mount at 40
winged crystal
i'm 26 and have 6g rofl
jolly walrus
how much relative value does agil give in weapon dps? To rephrase, how much dps increase is required for a weapon to be better than another that has agility?
jolly walrus
so in almost every case weapon dps will be valued higher?
jolly walrus
nice, I take it there's no way to sim or get stat weights yet?
exotic trellis
stat weights KINDA exist
Vanilla gearing is a lot easier because no TF and BiS lists exist
so people can just tell you what shit to go get
cerulean elm
dno if this is allowed here but couldn';t find anywhere else to post on the server, im playing the panther build https://www.twitch.tv/twitchingjeff
idle cedar
the complicated part comes down to maximizing non-bis item usage
#rogue-streamers probably, though I don't know how they feel about classic-specific streams and all
cerulean elm
yea wasnt sure either :S
jolly walrus
@idle cedar which is why I was asking 🙂 just general rule of thumb things to go off of when deciding which piece is better than another
idle cedar
oh yeah, just agreeing, don't really have too much input on it though, haven't delved into classic simming just yet
Is combat swords optimal dps through MC (yes, I care, no, I don't know why)
there's some really easily accessible +dagger skill items, and there's none until bwl/naxx for +swords, so I'm wondering if it still comes out ahead without access to maladath/hungering cold
or is making glancing blows fuck off not really that high of a priority?
plucky nymph
No no no no Yes No No, the swords and the talent are better.
idle cedar
Shame - kinda like the daggers playstyle, but best is best (and I don't hate swords or anything, just high crit backstab feels good)
exotic trellis
you can play combat daggers in raid and do almost as much as sword rogue
and not wasting the dagger drops like core hound tooth and perditions from MC
and then end up doing more damages than the rogues still in pre raid
drowsy phoenix
m a c e s
exotic trellis
yea just steal ironfoe off of a warrior
idle cedar
That's true - who else is really gonna use daggers
warriors can use them for threat gen weapons early on, and then others for stat sticks, but that's about it, right
plucky nymph
Just because someone else doesn't want daggers doesn't mean you should use them even though they're weaker.
They do look nice though, and you can just weapon swap the opener.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
idle cedar
I mean I'll have loot priority in the guild I'm in currently
but y'know, optimizing drops for everyone
drowsy phoenix
ironfoe more like
plucky nymph
o _O
drowsy phoenix
grand marshal's punisher
night crag
reads “who else is gonna use daggers” and hears a hunter laugh in the distance
fossil steeple
all weapons are hunter weapons
plucky nymph
Except daggers without stats or AP.
silver cove
plucky nymph
imagine being in range of totems O _O worse things have happened I suppose
sly valve
Agreed, all weapons belong to hunters: https://i.imgur.com/L2Ya8nE.jpg
errant timber
disgusting
plucky nymph
woop
plucky nymph
Females do flips.
shadow tapir
Males rock n roll
clever kayak
revive shadowcraft for classic
red badger
Is there a one click poison macro somewhere?
plucky nymph
search for poison macro, posted stuff up above
verbal tiger
apparently the tower in westfall is best to level up your lockpicking during the poisons quest? but if you complete it then you cant do the lockpick leveling
is it worth completeing asap just to get poisons tho
shadow tapir
maybe? The redridge place is where I would go though
verbal tiger
my lockpicking is 100 atm
shadow tapir
Dont need lockpicking for poison quest anyway
YEah then definitely just do the quest, redridge and wetlands can level it more anyway
verbal tiger
alrighty ty
ivory carbon
is there a way to remove poison from your weapon?
jolly walrus
what would yall take, a flat 6agil ring or the seal of wrynn (3str,3agi,4stam,4int,3spirit)
ivory carbon
i put poison on mh and then a shaman joined the party
jolly walrus
right click the buff
ivory carbon
doesnt work
loud tree
gotta let it fall off via time or charges
steady ridge
hi guys ... is it worth following the completionist guide on shadow panther
for alliance
quest completionist guide
loud tree
if you want rep/gold or are just taking your time leveling, sure
steady ridge
how important is the rep ... have not really played vanilla only started in MoP
steady ridge
oki.. then I will just do the zones as I progress
dont fancy running to teldrassil atm
loud tree
😄
humble crypt
Has anyone tried farming Pick Pocket in SM for a little extra mount cash? It worked on some pservers but not others, so i dont actually know what is actual vanilla. Some servers had lockboxes contain little and others had them contain a decent bit of cash
civic crest
latent summit
I would invest 20-30m in googling for various grindspots and methods of making gold while leveling, I’ve made 200g+ from just selling engi-made blunderbusses and mithril casings that is required for 2 quests... it’s all about working things like that into your daily playing for me and avoid a 5-10hour mindless grind-session ”only” for cash.
ruby bridge
the amount of players should let you easy make gold
verbal tiger
@latent summit is it too late to make gold off that method?
latent summit
Nope just depends on the server if its used by others or not
exotic trellis
so anyone feel like fishing is just
not making as much gold as it should?
idk how Oily Blackmouth only going for 1 silver on my server rn
I was gonna rely on fishing to get my mount money but it looks like nobody got any money at all so looks like I gotta generate that gold in-game
shadow axle
Has anyone experienced a bug where NPCs are missing items and just missing in general for Touch of Zanzil?
verbal tiger
yes i had to buy my tube thingy from AH
apparently it only spawns onto the npc ocassionaly
layer hoping can help
cyan vessel
where should I level lockpicking if I already did the poison and redridge quests? im at 88 lockpicking atm
loud tree
cyan vessel
ye this guide fked me
Battered Footlocker 70 Stonetalon Mountains [map]
i went here
and i cant open any of the chests
exotic trellis
Zoram Strand near BFD in Ashenvale from 70-150, or durnholde keep from 110-150
bitter talon
Kazogue the 70 and 110 chests are reversed on the guide
The 70+ ones are outside the mine, 110 inside
bitter talon
4 str 4 Stam leather belt
exotic trellis
AAAAAGH
exotic trellis
OOOOH UUUUUH
lilac pawn
hey, does someone know how to setup a weak aura for missing poisons on my weapons?
severe ice
hey
AHHA HAHAHH
i have been missing so many skills cus i didnt realize i ahd to scroll down in the rogue trainer
cyan vessel
following these lockpicking guides and i was wondering why shouldnt i stay in the same place and lockpick to level it the item is still yellow
all the guides say from this level to that level, but the item is still yellow when the guide says i should be going to the next spot
night crag
okay guys, I just pickpocketted a Lucky Charm last night. I google'd it and there's talk that it MAY improve drop chance. Neither confirmed nor denied (doesn't affect random rolls at all, I read that at least). What are the thoughts? Anyone with some of them that maybe probably sort of experience better "luck" on drops from mobs and such? It sounds really far fetched but, shortly after I got one, I also got my first two random lock box drops from mobs nearly back to back. Coincidence? XD
verbal tiger
how is it that my mainhand poison runs out quicker when its a slow 1 hander
cursive ridge
Because instant attacks are also attacks
Is Garrote -> 1pt Rupture -> Sinister Strike -> 1pt SND a good opener for grinding mobs while leveling?
latent summit
@cursive ridge Personally I just Ss/evis, goes so fast.. maybe if you kill mobs above your level..?
I’m usually not bothering with stealth unless I risk downtime to eat, then I stealth and cheapshot
ornate laurel
If you never plan to raid and only want to focus on pvp, wouldnt you lose to.people who have raid gear?
cursive ridge
pvp gear has a lot more stamina than raid gear, arararararagi san
although probably not enough to override the added damage from tier gear
(and raid weapons)
ornate laurel
I am having to make a second rogue for.pvp since my combat rogue wont be able to pvp. But I'm concerned with how I would gear my pvp rogue without raiding
latent summit
Depends, itemization is fairly basic, itemlevel is important, naxx drops for example is better than pvp rewards for most/all slots a bit depending on class and spec...
If you want to min-max you need both.
ornate laurel
I would have never mained rogue if I knew my pve spec is not viable at all for pvp. Makes.me sad
latent summit
MC spec wont last that long though tbh
ornate laurel
?
cursive ridge
What do you mean by MC spec
latent summit
Combat/swords
cursive ridge
Wasnt that still strong in BWL
latent summit
Bwl+ dagger time
latent summit
Also what is viable really... you can go green daggers in MC and be fine, if you want a full MC-clear in sub 18 minutes.. probably not though
Well pre-MC gear you go swords or dual epic-ubrs daggers which just isnt very likely you can get... so it’s swords.
After MC you both have good daggers and can chain-spam backstab on 2nd boss which is the DPS-check... and you have more bosses that murder works on going forward
sly shuttle
latent summit
Almost any build “works” it’s all about what you want and how you play... if you run with a 5-man group daggers is awesome, if you solo it’s slow, but it’s fun to ambush 1-shot stuff as well and maybe you prefer that 😉
Combat is the beast for quest/ grind efficiency combined with lots of good swords available from quests and drops.. so it just works better, but it may be boring and you prioritize fun.. or you mainly want pvp-effectiveness and “whatever works” for pve whatever rocks your boat man 😉
ornate laurel
I want to go the best version of pve raid combat swords and still be able to do well in pvp
latent summit
If you haven’t played much vanilla/private server rogue I think a good suggestion could be to respec a couple time even if it’s expensive...
ornate laurel
How much would cost to respec between each raid every week
latent summit
Caps out at 50g/respec
latent summit
It goes down every week but not if you keep respecing
It would honestly be a better idea to have 2 chars :p
ornate laurel
That brings me back to my original worry, if I have a rogue just for pvp its gear would suck
latent summit
Still there are no problems going dagger-specc in pve raids, except maybe first few runs of MC..
Also stating it would “suck” comparing r14 rogue vs naxx-geared is a bit extreme as well
Most rogues i’ve talked to that state dagger-spec is “so bad in MC it wont work” also cannot use their mount pre-raid cause they have so may buffs the mount-effect doesnt have space in the system-limit 😉
ornate laurel
I guess I just wont pvp
cursive ridge
Should I grab Improved Eviscerate while leveling early on
or go straight for Dual Wield spec
I can start getting that next level (currently 24)
latent summit
Personally I go DW and grab BF
wraith parcel
I mean, if you're gonna go for big pve damage
You're gonna need to spend big $$$$ on consumables anyway
trail zephyr
what about a combat spec with some of the sub pvp telents? 
I'm starting to level in contested zones and that's what ive been considering
like taking master of deception, camoflage, imp sprint
trail zephyr
what level are you and main spec?
it's worth it to use up the last few at a higher level
verbal tiger
25 going deep into combat
trail zephyr
yeah not worth it til you already gone deep combat
latent summit
Again personal choice, constantly having +40 crit on openers aint bad tbh
cursive ridge
I look forward to farming a lobotomizer
torpid stream
anyone know if i need to have a certain ravenholdt rep to accept the 52 rogue quest?
sharp grotto
do we have to get rep for them? lol
i hadnt messed with them
im only 35 but still
torpid stream
gives sexy blues
hushed laurel
P2, with DM
I don't remember if every class quest requires DM, but they should all be P2 to keep it consistent
sharp grotto
how many of these emblems do i need?
restive horizon
is stat weight a thing in classic
gloomy hawk
everyone is combat swords right now for leveling
;p
kinda want to go dagger
but im fkin human!
tropic crater
Guys what do you think for oh https://classicdb.ch/?item=4090 or https://classicdb.ch/?item=10761 ?
vocal hornet
@gloomy hawk once you get the +dagger mods fire away.
sharp grotto
How are people building for pvp? Dagger wise
I’ve built like 4 different ways and can’t decide
gritty goblet
i live for big numbers on my screen so obv imp sprint daggers
sharp grotto
And ambush builds
gritty goblet
@sharp grotto you can't decide between dagger specs?
i always go imp sprint since i go into combat for imp backstab anyways, sub into prep +dirty deeds, and rest into assa for relentless and lethality
but i think that's standard
sharp grotto
like you going imp SS or dodge in combat tree for dag spec since wont really use SS haha
also some builds i take MoD in sub and some i dont
gritty goblet
dodge imo, you're gonna pull for backstabs alot anyways while chasing for their backs
gritty goblet
so there's no fear of overcapping
gritty goblet
yeah mod/camo tradeoff is meh
sharp grotto
and do you go imp sap? sometimes i do sometimes i dont haha
gritty goblet
i ignore mod and go imp sap ye
sharp grotto
its nice for when theres muiltiple people but then it dont matter when just 1v1
MoD is more important in 1v1 imho
lol
gritty goblet
maybe, i remember playing on pservers and it only mattered vs rogues tbh
gritty goblet
druids 
sharp grotto
what do you think about hieghtened senses?
of course its only good against rogues also
gritty goblet
yeah pretty much, i dont take it
gritty goblet
players too
but you can even pick imp expose if you do cs/expose openers on warriors for instance
sharp grotto
eh i never liked that to much... against wars i played the bleed out game
gritty goblet
yeah, idk how alot of ppl say warriors beat rogues in vanilla
sharp grotto
https://classicdb.ch/?talent#fhxb0xtZhfZqMfczhk thinking about this
may swap that MoD to 2/3 of sap
gritty goblet
looks ok but i doubt 1 point in mod makes a big difference
might as well use it somewhere else more impactful
like sap
sharp grotto
yea
sharp grotto
well you cant have CB with that
and just 10 cheaper is nice
20 is better but 100% crit is better than 10 energy
gritty goblet
yeah, if you wanna play cb that's fine, personally i play imp sprint no cb
i have been rolling with this alot https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/005320105-302302002-05025302030012
and it never betrayed me
sharp grotto
you dont like serated blade?
gritty goblet
nah, that's a bit of a waste
sharp grotto
eh it is against mages mainly
gritty goblet
idk, i just feel with this spec and the amount of crits
i never lacked dmg
for me to go into more ap
sharp grotto
yea like we said at the start theres literally SOOOO many ways to play rogue lol
red badger
how good are the more pvp oriented specs at dungeons? I feel like I'd rather be more a pvp oriented spec, but I'm still going to end up doing some dungeons
gritty goblet
depends what you mean pvp oriented
red badger
like hemo I guess. Or the spec you linked
gritty goblet
hemo/combat is a thing that works ok in pve although not as good
if you wanna go for a pvp oriented spec, it should be dagger imo
red badger
yeah I'm thinking about going cold blood hemo but I don't know how terrible that would be in pve
gritty goblet
sounds pretty bad to me 😄
red badger
I figured as much
gritty goblet
i can see imp ambush with double/triple ambush openers fine (prep), definitely a thing i rolled with in dungeon spams on a pvp server
works well on smaller healthpool bosses from dungeons
raids i always respecced for pve but then i again i didn't raid too much
like a couple of casual clears
red badger
yeah I don't want that respec cost haha
gritty goblet
imo if you're not min maxing it shouldn't really matter
play whatever
pure pve specs are ahead but never by too much
red badger
yeah I just wonder how far behind something like that would be
gritty goblet
well from memory the combat swords rogue was about 60 dps ahead of me in MC, me showing up to raids as prep dagger lmao
i'd beat his ass on smaller duration bosses
with triple ambushes
brisk merlin
How much is the second respec?
broken pollen
SO i'm hearing conflicting reports, maybe a vanilla original rogue can confirm
Is PP on Classic nerfed from Vanilla or just nerfed from PServers
plucky nymph
@gloomy hawk It puts whatever modifier that you press "first".
delicate stone
Any advice for soloing at lower levels? I just got Rupture, but barely see a chance to use it. Most of my CP's go to keeping SnD up since most of my damage comes from white hits.
sharp grotto
i hate blizzard servers.... lol just getting wrecked atm
dont use SnD
dont use rupture
just SS /. evis
lol
next hound
servers back down?
delicate stone
Is that word of mouth or was something tested?
sharp grotto
im lvling and dont use either... no use in it
hell most guilds tell you to not even train it atm
by the time you have cbs for rupture you could just kill them with evis
delicate stone
Hm. I'm kinda suspicious about that. Where are 'they' getting that from?
delicate stone
"hell most guilds tell you to not even train it atm"
sharp grotto
and only reason i ever use rupture is if i pull more than 1 mob... then i get 5 cb rupture on a target then swap
i ment guides*
delicate stone
Which guide are you referring to?
sharp grotto
says "start using SnD after rank 2"
plucky nymph
blizzard/region getting ddos'd
ihatetheirservers
sharp grotto
which is like 40
@delicate stone https://www.wowisclassic.com/en/class-guide/rogue/leveling-1-60/
says use after rank 2 in the 40-60 range
and only tailer in SnD depoending on fight length
plucky nymph
Just EVI things.
plucky nymph
Especially later on when you get higher ranks of EVI O _O
sharp grotto
but wasting the cbs is pointless
delicate stone
Finding an energy ticker and swing timer are next on the list.
sharp grotto
the WA ones are nice
plucky nymph
If you're not 60 or Sword Spec I wouldn't bother with a Swing Timer yet.
sharp grotto
atleast sword spec... but even then i dont see any difference in havin git... i cant tell a single difference
plucky nymph
Without more testing I wouldn't write it off entirely.
noble belfry
do you guys think the stormshrouds gear is worth farming?, got no agi so im not sure if its good
plucky nymph
I mean it looks nice and it's good leveling gear.
delicate stone
I mostly want the swing timer to get experience using it and finding a good position for it later. May as well start now.
plucky nymph
Plenty of WA that do that then, and 1-2 popular addons.
errant timber
you can very easily make a swing wa
delicate stone
I found this wonderful mp5 WA for my Priest that's just a shiny bar that travels up my mana bar during each tick and resets when I spend mana. Ideally I'd like something similar for Energy. I'm WA illiterate, but I might be able to convert it or tweak it to fit Energy.
subtle parcel
I can't get into the damn gam
worldly juniper
anyone have any expertise which build would be better for general leveling https://classic.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/325200105-3200550100050150231
plucky nymph
fuckthisquest
exotic trellis
the talent build with only one point in aggression looks better to me.
idk if I'd go remorseless
i'd skip out on remorseless and go improved SnD
plucky nymph
stupid fucking quest
noble sonnet
For leveling combat swords, is it worth having a weapon swap macro for using Ambush in stealth or is Garrote / Cheap Shot generally better?
plucky nymph
CS probably better
turbid orchid
garrote/cs depending
can you make combat work for pvp or is sub daggers the go to
Maces wasnt busted yet iirc,
hidden basin
do you guys sell medium leather on ah or nah just vendor it?
plucky nymph
vendor
turbid orchid
my buddy wants me to roll on his pvp server for premades at 60 when they roll out. Im not sure if i wanna go lock or rogue blah.
plucky nymph
What.
turbid orchid
sorry if that came out weird, english isnt my native, My friend wants me to roll on his server for a dps slot for bg premades when they go live
spice moss
is there a consensus on which sword goes in MH highest dps vs highest top end dmg?
trail zephyr
- Make bank alt #1
- Send items you unsure about
- When you bored relog to bank alt
- Check AH price
- If negligible then vendor
- If not then list and forget
- Relog to main
- Cast SS
- Repeat
wheat gyro
Is there a Tell Me When profile I can import?
plucky nymph
bestquestrewardever
verbal tiger
which is better questie or zygor questing addon
hushed laurel
picked up the ravager on my warrior today. man, dont care how bad it is it feels friggen great
loud tree
spin 2 win
hushed laurel
the proc rate seems much higher on classic than it was on pservers, and the range is absurd. its like... not better than WWaxe, but when it procs in larger packs the dps is stupid
plus it can proc itself, so i regularly have 18 seconds or so walk off and do other things while i do damage
daring thunder
its better than ww axe for dungeons outside of st bosses
and bonebiter is better than ww axe
sharp grotto
Ayy got 38 on rogue lol...
plucky nymph
the pickpocketing is worth iiiiiiiiiit
errant timber
what lvl picking is that
plucky nymph
What level what?
Was from a chest > _> but I got it while leveling lockpicking.
aaaaand we're done for now :3
plucky nymph
the price increase O _O
loud tree
that immersion is expensive
plucky sparrow
Trash blade + windfury
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GargantuanAdvancedHammerkop-size_restricted.gif
hidden basin
For a raiding rotation, do you keep rupture on 100% of the time like it was in TBC?
fossil steeple
you dont use rupture cause of debuff slot limit
same reason you dont use deadly poison
worldly juniper
hey guys is sword spec proc main hand only?
drowsy phoenix
main hand is the one that's affected by your abilities
offhand can just do offhand things and if it procs it procs
winged crystal
so i log in just now and i'm not able to move my unit frames, default unit frames UI
sharp grotto
@plucky nymph where you lvling your picking?
winged crystal
it's very tempting to buy weapons from the AH, but is that a decent thing to do? is there like a cutoff where you say that's ok and worth it vs that's too much to spend while leveling?
latent summit
Depends on your gold-income ability but tbh I dont need weapons when leveling due to quests and dungeons... but some random gear-pieces wouldnt hurt.
sharp grotto
Just go LW and improve your gear as you lvl and dungeons / quest will give weapons and rings and shit
verbal tiger
where can i buy throwing weapons in stormwind
cerulean idol
I switched to dagger spec for leveling. Mistakes have been made. Now I can’t afford respec! Fml
cerulean idol
I’m only level 16 I’m sure it gets better with ambush and what not
gloomy hawk
yea
dark lion
Energy pool>gouge>backstab works at low levels
latent summit
For efficiency: combat but maybe weapon-swap macros for backstab/ambush...
For fun: whatever rocks your boat but your 1-60 time will suffer if that matters for you.
sly valve
I leveled up doing gouge/backstab until I got decent swords. Worked really well.
plucky nymph
@sharp grotto 150 - 220 was here
neat sun
Bah.. I was having fun, then DDOS happened. RIP
plucky nymph
NO FUN FOR YOU
neat sun
Oh well, I should really be cleaning anyway, but the wife took a nap so I had time 😦
plucky nymph
ha