mh is supposed to be slow
#classic-discussion
cyan vessel
drowsy phoenix
if slower = heavy hitter
vocal hornet
Correct.
drowsy phoenix
two weapons at same dps
slow = good
void meteor
if your group is in a dungeon and a chest is locked, does everyone still roll for it?
vocal hornet
We all fight over the unlocked ones. So locks are mine.
But we do train mobs across people as they open them.
To fuck up their cast.
cunning tiger
All of my groups roll
The loot ninjas that come and loot your chest while you are killing the mobs around it are super annoying though
shadow tapir
Anyone have a list of skills to not buy while leveling?
loud tree
parry for riposte, if you're combat
lime prairie
From what I understand, parry also incorporates weapon swing timer reduction when you parry
Does dodge offer anything like that?
loud tree
i think people call that parry haste, but i don't think dodge does that
lime prairie
and dodge only works in front of you in Classic as well?
loud tree
yeah
@shadow tapir
this seems like an okay list to follow. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vS7gvlw3Ap9os5J-Q5u5xas0uENsiHu3eTCTEtUMmyp_O-5kYqeCjAtv82ZqDbdrPKLvSOa_ARuDRUN/pubhtml#
only thing I would change is you don't need to upgrade gouge. doesnt increase the time, just a small amount of damage. same thing with kick.
shadow tapir
thank u!
loud tree
np
dusk crystal
lmao
kindred plume
loud tree
drowsy phoenix
nice
kindred plume
he was a private server player for a long time tho
and has his strats figured out
drowsy phoenix
figures lol
dire thunder
I was searching for this info, sorry if i missed it. Is there a rogue discord server for classic only?
kindred plume
@dire thunder don't think so, there are mostly realm discords
which have class channels
dire thunder
Ok, thank you.
tough tartan
goblin or gnomish engineer for rogue pvp in classic?
kindred plume
both have their things
tough tartan
i saw wowhead listed goblin for bombs
kindred plume
just check the list and see what you like best
kindred plume
gnomes have mind control cap
rocket boots
shield belt
net
quite a lot of stuff
battle chicken is also gnomish I think
tough tartan
death ray?
kindred plume
ya
noble belfry
does someone got a weakaura for tracking how many proccs are left in the posion ?
tough tartan
HMMMMMMMM, mobility and utility of gnomish engineering, or bombs from goblin...hmmmmmm 
kindred plume
that's the tradeoff π
tough tartan
oh
goblin has rocket boots too
hmmm but they can explode, which gnomish dont
AHHHHHHHH THE CHOICES
guess ill go gnomish due to safer + most mobility, which is a lack in classic
scenic dome
BOMBS
tough tartan
iknow but the goblin boots is too big of a hazard
scenic dome
buy gnomish boots then
vocal hornet
@noble belfry is the poison charge duration listed in the buff?
You can always show stacks of a buff and have it only trigger at <x. So say 10 charges left or whatever.
plucky nymph
moar
dusk crystal
just got over 1g
unreal spindle
@vocal hornet It isn't, I'm integrating a way to get charges in WA but since I don't have a rogue with them unlocked it's kinda hard to test.
In the mean time take care if you want to do a poison WA until latest release from yesterday it could completely crash WA.
brisk merlin
What quest do we train lockpicking on, lvl 19 now and donβt want to fuck it all up
plucky nymph
fucku
neat sun
Where do we get the Ravenholdt quest for Alliance? Supposed to unlock at 26 and I don't see it anywhere
drowsy phoenix
ask your trainer if you can "have it"
void meteor
does anyone have a macro to swap main-hand and off-hand?
plain moss
if u are going sword build and u have a sword and a dagger only. which do u put in as main hand?
errant timber
is there a way to make a poison wa yet
brisk merlin
@void meteor I have one I can post when I get home, itβs a bit convoluted though
@plain moss you put the one with the higher damage, you want a slow mh so your abilities do more damage
plain moss
alrighty tyvm
errant timber
pretty much only wanna use a faster weapon main hand if it's a gigantic upgrade
loud tree
broken pollen
anyone got weak auras for classic energy/cp
plucky nymph
Yeah there are plenty on WAGO
weak oasis
Hello guys.Can someone tell me, how to track poisons on weapons?Thank you very much:)
livid palm
what do you mean
broken pollen
so im a bit worried, almost every lfg posting is asking for an AOE farm class
is it like that at 60 too? for dungeons
silver cove
lfg is very like
filled with tryhard grindergroups right now
so people just want to kill things as fast as humanly possible
glacial lichen
is going instances as 10 ppl exploit? or just possible in classic
loud tree
it's legit
plucky nymph
Normal stuff, raid exp modifier.
signal ember
rip my rogue in 7 days
limpid blaze
what why
signal ember
Touch of Zanzil
limpid blaze
i dont know what that means
signal ember
Then you ain't no vanilla boi
limpid blaze
great convo thx
raven snow
how do you do Klaven's Tower quest? I pickpocketed the key off the deformed dude but I still can't open the box
errant timber
Whats your lockpicking at
tame geyser
errant timber
8 AP is way more than 3 agi
cyan vessel
and at what point is using a slow OH better than a fast one
like how big is the difference needed
cant wait for simming in classic lul
delicate stone
Aren't speeds normalized?
sand cipher
should i even bother using the appropriate rank of poison for my level? it gets more expensive to make
vocal hornet
@cyan vessel all signs point to no simming in classic.
Simc/raidbots won't do it. Amr might.
vocal hornet
Mizerok WA kit has a cast bar.
when you kick, it doesnt stop casting but you can see the mob animation stop
pretty sure its that way with the castbar addons as well
junior wasp
Does quartz work for enemy castbar?
viscid nacelle
Is weapon swing timers still important in this version of classic?
hybrid zealot
Amr doing it is basically still no simming for classic
vocal hornet
@viscid nacelle apparently swing timers only matter once you get sword spec
worn cairn
kindred plume
hushed laurel
perfection
humble crypt
Has prolly been asked a million times, but is the contenet of lockboxes reduced? Wanting to do some SM pick pocket runs, but they nerfed that on all the private servers if i recall
ruby bridge
i think there should be a disclaimer that its loud
plucky nymph
@humble crypt Assume that nothing on pServers is reality.
humble crypt
Yea i know, but i dont actually remember if they mirrored a change that was actually made by Blizzard
And since I have experienced both on pservers i cant really figure out which one is correct. Was just wondering if anyone had given it a go before i respec for pick pocket
vivid stirrup
wowhead is down
plucky nymph
For a bit now.
vivid stirrup
is there a follow up quest after turning in 31 syndicate emblems at ravenholdt?
im lvl 24
vagrant lake
Whats the best alliance race for rogue
loud tree
gnome/dwarf for pvp. human for pve
vagrant lake
ok thanks
hushed laurel
@ruby bridge image of boomer sitting in chair next to 2 giant speakers? Loud is a pretty easy assumption to make IMO
ruby bridge
^^
kindred plume
tough tartan
wow
plucky nymph
Nice edge.
tame geyser
@kindred plume lmao
neat sun
I really need to find a guild on Pagle.. Just talked to a buddy while I was playing for a bit and realized how lonely it is to play solo
regal charm
can you buy poisons in desolace?
vocal hornet
@neat sun most of our guys play at night.
neat sun
I haven't seen anywhere to buy them alliance side @regal charm
kindred plume
not much tbh
karmic bridge
Is anyone here using Joana's guide
humble crypt
As alliance. Would you guys use Sword of Serenity along with Vanquisher's sword? They both have 2.20 speed which sucks ass, especially compared to horde Sword of Omen which is a lot faster
vocal hornet
@karmic bridge im just using azeroth auto pilot
sends me in some weird places at times, but I love it overall.
karmic bridge
Yeah I was just wondering if It's really worth grinding ~100 mobs
has it as a step in his guide
silver cove
you'll pretty much always run into spots that are like a choice between moving 500 miles and doing bad quests or killing mobs for a bit
the guides will always opt to do the grind cause it's faster
if you wanna adventure there's definitely stuff to do
karmic bridge
It's probably worth from a training aspect, I hit 20
silver cove
ah yea
silver cove
yea i think so too, if you follow a guide that's designed for speed leveling super strictly you'll get bored p quick
at least i did
i got to like 22 and was like eh this blows i'm gonna walk around like a moron
karmic bridge
I just get a little dishearted everytime I open guild tab and I'm the lowest level lol
But at the same time everyone's got way higher playtime than me
karmic bridge
I swapped characters too after spending 21 hours on one
silver cove
yeah you just gotta decide what you want i guess
a lot of people want to hit mc as soon as they can
but for me i'm like.. i really don't care
drifting wagon
kindred plume
elfin cove
ye im mostly leveling out of boredom dont really plan on actually playing pve
woke up at 6am no one wake to play anything 
karmic bridge
Yeah it's just filling in the time I would've spent afk in boralus
round oriole
guys i have the defias tower key
and it wont open the chest
anyone else experience this issue?
round oriole
how can i level up my lock picking
humble crypt
There is a guy who gives you a quest that takes you through it. He stands next to Mathias Shaw in Stormwind
tough pilot
tough pilot
round oriole
i was getting so tilted lmao
tough pilot
Yeah I could see that happening lol
karmic bridge
is there a way to make it so that when I right click from ranged on my hunter it auto shoots rather than pulls out melee weapon
vocal hornet
Can probably use clique for that.
raven snow
so, when do i wanna start using 2 swords? when i have at least a point in sword spec?
for the extra attack
vocal hornet
I bind right clock to flash heal on hpal.
raven snow
lol
neat sun
I thought you meant 2h swords
raven snow
how fast? i think most swords i find are gonna be 2+ in speed, prob my nexet sword upgrade is vanq sword then ill still have outlaw
neat sun
1.9 or slower
errant lava
I'm playing a rogue in classic and wondering if I should go combat daggers or combat swords. which one is better for pve and which is better for pvp?
humble crypt
@neat sun Does it make sense to go dual wield with Vanquisher's Sword (2.20 speed) and Sword of Serenity (2.20) speed. Or do i pick Black Menace dagger (1.50 speed) instead of Serenity? Does the sword talent make up for the shitty OH speed?
Sword of Omen is so fucking dope with its speed, but Serenity is just bleh with another 2.20
humble crypt
does it even make sense to go deep into sword spec if its not even a dual wield kinda situation?
if i do go for the dagger as OH isntead
humble crypt
Gonna try out pick pocket run in SM anyway around 40 for some extra mount gold. Swapping sub spec anyway for a bit
mental skiff
neat sun
I might grind 2 levels in STV just to make extra bank
I already have enough for my mount, so I'm not worried about that.
working towards epic now
humble crypt
what lvl?
neat sun
Probably 36-38, then smashing through quests to 40
humble crypt
Fuck how you got enough cash for your 40 mount already, man?
tough pilot
anyone know the name of the addon that shows vendor prices of items in your bags? thanks ahead of time.
nvm found it
tough pilot
yeah ive been selling majority of my BOE's but other random stuff i usually vendor, but youre right selling everything is most logical.
may just start doing that honestly.
neat sun
boes, crafted items, everything
I sell all of my cloth
At 35, every mob I pickpocket is 1s on average
signal ember
Cloths is huge $$$ atm
neat sun
yup
everyone wants it for tailoring and FA
It'll always be a fantastic money maker - for all of Classic
Farming cloth on a mage is stupid mone
signal ember
I will just level FA when I'm 60 and can solo dungeons myself for cloths
neat sun
I'm 150 and on silk, which is the easiest to level
signal ember
I'm just almost 22, so bleh. Having 4g kek
neat sun
Stack of silk is 60s on my server
signal ember
Don't know what I was doing with all my money at early level.
but I decided not to get any backstab, feint, ambush and gouge(Have level 1 for CC wise)
neat sun
yeah
around 25, you get a lot more money
Make sure you're pick pocketing everything
You can get 1.5s to 4s per humanoid
plush perch
about pickpocket
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/cast Pick Pocket
/cast Sinister Strike
im using this macro for it but doesnt seem to work at all
plucky nymph
Why would it?
vocal hornet
@neat sun did you watch any of Jokerd talk about shard hopping?
he kills 3 elites in an area, gets invited to someone elses group, and poof they respawn. kills them again
gets recipes, greens, blues, and gold. reset do it again
drowsy phoenix
yeah idk why two GCD abilities would work in a macro
unless it's a cast sequence and idk how to do those
round oriole
now im doing /lay down for doc in SW and hes not checking me out smg
drowsy phoenix
are you doing it at him or just doing it
worked for me first time when I had him targeted
round oriole
umbral rune
should i only be applying instant poison to the OH?
neat sun
Naw, I don't do shard hopping. I'm not a fan of that.
hushed laurel
If its broke, don't fix it.
vocal hornet
@neat sun vendor greens, DE, or try to ah?
my bank toon has ench for de. but lose the mail fee
neat sun
I AH everything
Worrying about DEing is a waste of time IMO
I don't care about leveling an enchanter, and I don't want to be in the enchanting mats business
vocal hornet
there is no deposit cost on the mats on AH. whereas a weap is
vocal hornet
sounds good
neat sun
I don't want to be DEing and all that nonsense
That's time I could be doing something else
hushed laurel
I vendor most of my greens, give some away to guildies. Most of it is awful suffix trash so its not worth the time and effort to AH it.
limpid blaze
same
tough tartan
asked before but didnt much response, so asking again to be sure
attack power or agility on weapons in classic?
*daggers
exotic trellis
I think the ratio is like
Take the agi unless thereβs twice as much AP on the item as agi
Also nice Use Your Illusion PFP
hushed laurel
1 agi is 2 AP iirc
tough tartan
ah ok
neat sun
@hushed laurel Stop vendoring them
drowsy phoenix
neat sun
If nothing else, install Auctioneer and use that to AH them.
If you're 40 and can't afford your mount, it's your own fault.
drowsy phoenix
I need to find the recipe for swiftness potion
hushed laurel
Take skinning, sell skins. Don't buy all your abilities, don't waste money on minor upgrades.
stray whale
sell skins to vendor pogU
hushed laurel
@neat sun random of the whale mail and the like AHs for very little of anything above vendor value. No reason to waste time smiling to an alt to AH and hope it sells for an extra 3 silver or whatever.
neat sun
Shrug, I've found the complete opposite on my server
hushed laurel
@stray whale naw, AH is fine on most servers skin wise. Heavy leather goes for 10-15s a pop on my server, more on others I'm sure
neat sun
And an extra 3s on everything you sell is hundreds of gold over the next two months
tough tartan
while that is an optimistic way of selling, especially early in classic people dont have much cash, and will just go for the cheapest auction, even if it means more work
neat sun
I have over 400 gold
So ...
I've sold over 600 Hillman's cloak for a 30-50s profit each
People aren't buying level 3 greens, sure. In the 20s and 30s, they are.
tough tartan
ok lemme rephrase; "most" people dont have much cash to spend xD
might depend on realm too tho tbh
neat sun
In the 20s, 30s, 40s - people will buy things. Gaining an extra 50s a day from AHing greens could be the different between getting your mount or not.
raven snow
where do i get instant poison rank 2? my trainer doesnt have it
is it realted to poison level?
tough tartan
@neat sun as i dont have anything to compare to, any recommended price to sell the one ring for?
neat sun
If it's not on the AH at all, throw it up for like 1g.
My default is 300% vendor value, though
drowsy phoenix
if im thinking of dropping skinning for alch later, should I even train in artisan skinning?
4g 50s is quite a bit atm
hushed laurel
Depends on when you want to drop it. I think you'd make money if you took it to 60. Specially if you manage to get some devilsaur leather if your group doesn't have a skinner.
drowsy phoenix
is devilsaur high vendor price or will I just be auctioning it
hushed laurel
Auction/sell it. Used in some of the best LW recipes endgame
silver cove
so, basically auctioning exclusively
hushed laurel
And if you're playing a rogue, you want the devilsaur gear anyway I'm pretty sure
drowsy phoenix
yeah, still dont know whether I want alch or LW though
currently skin/herb just for vendor moneys
hushed laurel
Eh, with engi pick it up at 60 and level it through the AH.
kindred plume
yeah, it's a bit too convoluted to level during leveling
drowsy phoenix
prolly gonna have an alt do engi later down the road, unless there's items I need to be an engineer myself to use that are very good
silver cove
most of them have engineering requirements
drowsy phoenix
a a a a
kindred plume
if you aren't too keen on speedrunning your way to 60 - mining is a good proff
you can save up enough mats to level engi by the time you hit 60
hushed laurel
So much bag space T.T
kindred plume
so if you want to maximize gold - level skinning/mining then drop both of them for engi/bs or something
drowsy phoenix
gentle notch
is using downranked instant poison for more procs a thing
drowsy phoenix
I dont think so
kindred plume
no
sharp grotto
i have the seal of ravenholdt but when i talk to the guy it shows i dont?
how do i fix
hushed laurel
and rag is dead
plucky nymph
Well you hit him, until he dies.
hushed laurel
APES did it.very good pserver guild
gentle notch
@sharp grotto need detect trap
gentle notch
u stealth to the chest with that and it succeeds
sharp grotto
got ya lol thanks
gentle notch
can learn it at the raven guy
sharp grotto
yea
gentle notch
i derped and ran back to uc t train π
vocal hornet
RIP rag.
plucky nymph
Pretty sure Evasion doesn't work o _o
nimble rampart
Guys, are you all still putting points in sword spec? even though a lot of rogues are using a slow mace as their main hander while lvling?
drowsy phoenix
im not even sure any specialization is the way to go during leveling
exotic trellis
not a lot else you could put your points in though.
I suppose sprint and evasion CD
Sword spec is REALLY strong though, and you wont be able to start putting point in it until 31 anyways so,.
you'll start having access to a ton of good swords at that level
like the scarlet monastary quest
drowsy phoenix
thinking of memeing into ghostly strike now that I have blade flurry
just while I'm leveling
exotic trellis
you alliance or horde?
drowsy phoenix
ally
exotic trellis
oK so
fucking cruel barb
is there any like alternatives to it until level 29 for the gnomeregan sword
Because I ran taht dungeon 5 times and I didnt even see one drop.
exotic trellis
Cuz I know that horde has a quest for outlaw sabre to do BFD
I ended up just buying a green sword with strength and agi with 14 DPS off the AH cuz I really needed an upgrade and I was kinda banking on a cruel barb dropping.
drowsy phoenix
I wonder what im gonna do with the 2 points I would have put into weapon expertise with swords
exotic trellis
doesnt it give skill to maces and daggers as well?
or is it fist weapons and daggers
drowsy phoenix
nah just sword/dagger/fist
bc mace spec increases hit chance
by that I mean +1 point in maces per rank
exotic trellis
aggression idk
drowsy phoenix
c a m o u f l a g e
exotic trellis
I think levelling spec for combat just only puts 1 point in aggression
god I want sword of serenity though
pallid vigil
so, do I want a high dps weapon or lower dps weapon for mh?
18.9dps (2.7speed) 35-67 damage mh sword, vs 21.2dps (1.7speed) 21-39 dmg,.
I assuming use the second one in the offhand
jade zephyr
is it worth it to rank up kick to rank 2 while leveling? ive just noticed a lot of stuff resisting the kick
plucky nymph
it's just more damage
jade zephyr
thats what i was thinking i just wanted confirmation thanks!
opaque musk
how important is the offhand in classic?
plucky nymph
Not VERY important, but still important.
But that's mostly because there are actually weapons of varying speed unlike retail.
opaque musk
k thx
nimble rampart
how good is the gnomer sword? seems a little fast..
plucky nymph
Tanking weapon really.
slender storm
@pallid vigil 2.7 speed, top end damage, will hit much harder on SS, Evis
βDPSβ only matters for white damage
dusk crystal
evis doesn't scale with weapon correct if wrong
that's how the naked rogue pvp vids
tame geyser
u gonna be casting SS 99% of the time so yeah
pallid vigil
What weapons should I be looking for around level 33-34? Iβm still using sword and mace from brd and wc?
exotic trellis
At 34 you can in theory do the scarlet monastary quest
loud tree
at level 35 I did this quest: https://classicdb.ch/?quest=662
you just have to make use of sap/blind and not fight any of the lvl 40 naga mobs. water breathing helps a lot also, but not needed when you know where the items are.
jade zephyr
@tough tartan it says Equip: +22 Ranged AP so it wouldnt impact ur melee but the hitchance would i believe
tame geyser
does distract have any effect vs players?
cold citrus
I think it doesn't really have an effect when they use their mouse to run forward, but my first experience with it was in tbc, so classic might interact differently
If they are on auto run they will start running towards the direction of the distract, same if they hold down w without steering with the mouse
Otherwise they briefly turn towards the distract and they return to the original direction
tame geyser
ok thought I had seen it work like that but wasn't sure
could you interrupt casts by distracting at the end?
cold citrus
In AV you could distract people of of the bridge, because a lot of the time they were on auto run
Not sure about that
tough tartan
i used it a ton in bfa. even after they nerfed it
i heard of its original use that it could turn mounts etc
but even just being able to (in bfa) cause someone to stop running is really funny
errant timber
it still turns people
compact cedar
is there a working "missing poisons" wa for classic? didn't found one on wago
flint silo
Yo guys, do u have macros that will put ur dagger in main hand when you ambush / backstab but put your sword in main hand when you sinister strike?
nvm i figured it out myself
orchid ledge
is fast offhand dagger with lover dps better then slow sword as outlaw? just for the poison apply?=
void meteor
cant get invited to sm farms feelsbadman
west pewter
Whatβs the name of an add on that has a bar for auto attacks
compact cedar
WeaponSwingTimer or quarz
west pewter
Ok thanks
pallid vigil
What weapons should I be looking for around level 33-34? Iβm still using sword and mace from brd and wc?
robust moon
lackpicking max lvl is 400?
there will be more quests later on yes?
cuz atm im leveling it to 100/100
west pewter
Iβve only found one energy add on and it doesnβt seem to have a 2sec timer?
copper forge
anyone else having trouble gettting close to the dude you are supposed to pickpocket in for the poison quest?
hidden basin
what do you think of grinding 4 lvls by just killing mobs vendoring stuff to afford mount?
talking about grinding killing mobs from 36 to 40 lvl
west pewter
nothing wrong with dungeon grinding
unique oriole
Weakaura for energy bar with energy tick timer is the best option
There are some good ones on wago
hidden basin
not dungeon grinding, mob grinding in the open world
desert atlas
@copper forge I didt it by going directly behind him with sprint up, spamming pickpocket. I managed to get it before he attacekd me out
vocal hornet
@sharp grotto mizerok WA kit is pretty good
desert atlas
But he WILL turn to u and attack u even tho ur directly behind him
desert atlas
Is it possible to have it attached to the "personal resource bar" even tho theres no personal resource bar under ur char
copper forge
Thanks, I had a higher level druid buddy distract him
ruby bridge
i can make a !wa for this channel if we got a list with good/complete auras
vocal hornet
there is a pinned message with link to generic WA. Could just add it there.
but w/e
that one is very good. so far anyway
cast bar on it is great
@plucky nymph blew my mind when i kicked a mob then gouged a mob then kicked again then gouged again. both 10s cd is bonkers.
brisk merlin
For training lockpicking at the tower, when the quest becomes available you are only level 20 with a max picking skill of like 95, does the lockpicking guide assume youβre not going to train poisons until level 30+ when you can actually get 175?
real totem
outlaw sabre
fringe spindle
horde only. disgusting
devout trout
Heyho leatherworking or Alchy on Rogue?
chilly coral
Yea those, blind, and vanish all require reagents
poison making is a prof you have to level
which requires mats that are mostly herbs iirc
devout trout
well i guess alchy is good
chilly coral
the potions have saved my life now and then
devout trout
Potions are pretty good
native heath
guys how weapon attack speed works in classic do i need a slow main hand at sword spec?
neat sun
Hmm, chinese food or pizza
sand cipher
can you buy thistle tea anywhere? the actual consumable? or do i have to make it
chilly coral
at level 20 you get a quest chain that after completing it rewards a recipe to make it as a cooking thing
native heath
anyone knows ? π¦
sand cipher
yes you want slow hard hitting mainhand
native heath
thank you
sand cipher
@chilly coral i have the recipe, but i want to know if an npc sells the consumable so i dont have to cook it myself
chilly coral
@sand cipher Dont see any mention on wowhead of someone who sells it besides the ah
plucky nymph
@vocal hornet Yeah the energy requirements are a little silly but the power is O _O pretty nice.
tough tartan
k
novel sinew
Hoy Im a lvl 27 rogue and I just started going in neutral zone, I played classic mainly for pvp and I'm getting absolutely rekt by anything moving even tho I get the open ( playing sword spec ) anything I can do about it ?
pallid vigil
in pvp or in pve dustice?
novel sinew
pvp
pallid vigil
depends on the class
tough tartan
reroll warrior if u gonna go swords imo, if ur into pvp as rogue go daggers. ambush
novel sinew
Idon't mind playing dagger spec as long I still can atleast do quest
but feels like daggers are so hard to find
tough tartan
im questing as dagger rogue atm, easy
i do have blacksmith in my guild tho
he just made me a couple sweet upgrades too
the pearl daggers
robust moon
whats the dmg of it?
pallid vigil
i'm playing swords. get the MH from WC at 17-18 from the quest.
Then get the BRD quest in low 20s
Wingblade from WC, and Outlaw Sabre from BRD
dry birch
ally sword options are so pitiful compared to horse QQ
plucky nymph
Ehhh, allies have some bonkers 1handers, doesn't have to be a sword.
pallid vigil
good daggers are hard to find
tough tartan
literally just buy some off the ah or have a blacksmith make some
ive not had any issues so far
becomes even better with poisons
pallid vigil
I think after level 20 you're going to start struggling to find daggers
you can get one in gnomergan and one in sm gy
just play whatever you enjoy tho
novel sinew
I don't know what to go for talent with daggers as lvl 27
plucky nymph
work towards ImpBackstab
errant timber
mine so far https://i.imgur.com/8zg1YZD.png
pallid vigil
@errant timber thats a sword build?
errant timber
yes
plucky nymph
Then get your hit and sprint for daggers.
errant timber
i'm a hooman tho
plucky nymph
Then it's awkward because dagger spec and Malice are equal weight.
your MH dagger should be slow as fuck as well as your killing dmg comes from ambush and backstab.
high dps is useless
errant timber
ya you end up with a low dps MH sometimes
drowsy phoenix
tough tartan
any reason to take dagger spec over malice?
pallid vigil
malice is a dagger spec?
tough tartan
i mean if u had to choose
errant timber
why not improved SS
drowsy phoenix
d o d g e
plucky nymph
Malice == DaggerSpec
errant timber
i mean sure but u would rather parry more for riposts
plucky nymph
In the end you will want both but it's important to plan where you are going.
The bottom of the Combat tree isn't very interesting for daggers for leveling though.
drowsy phoenix
nah lol I wanted the dodge chance
pallid vigil
for what?
errant timber
It feels bad, tbh
pallid vigil
are you taking that much dmg?
errant timber
like most of my talents don't mean too much
drowsy phoenix
however much damage im taking, it's less
plucky nymph
this is just better for daggers than going further in the combat tree for leveling
dusk crystal
but why go daggers for leveling 
errant timber
if ur doing dungeons daggers isnt terrible
plucky nymph
100% crit with Remorseless
drowsy phoenix
reflexes also makes evasion rank 1 like 20% better
plucky nymph
well like, 90%+
pallid vigil
daggers and swords are almost equivalent when leveling
in groups, daggers is probably even better
plucky nymph
No β
pallid vigil
swords is a little better than daggers for leveling
errant timber
I mean i just wanna be able to hit more buttons tbh
plucky nymph
in groups I have threat 100% of the time and being daggers would be booty
errant timber
WTB faster nrg regen
pallid vigil
if you play daggers well you wont notice much difference
drowsy phoenix
yeah lol SS is kinda slow to come by without improved rank 2
pallid vigil
@plucky nymph feint?
drowsy phoenix
but idc I got the dodge
pallid vigil
how do you have agro on 5 mobs as a rogue?
pallid vigil
blade flurry hits 1 mob
errant timber
c o l d b l o o d
plucky nymph
and I have threat because tanks cannot keep threat and I am peeling off healers usually.
So, I have threat.
novel sinew
I bought some daggers at the ah and took that tree https://i.imgur.com/WKT7Wlj.png , tried duelling I feel like I'm stuggeling even more in pvp
plucky nymph
Dueling o _o
errant timber
but yeah it feels weird like I need to spec into subtety for stealth to not suck massive ass
pallid vigil
you might wanna find yourself a little stronger tank miz
drowsy phoenix
no ghostly strike in pvp?
nah rub I rip aggro all the time when there's more than 1 mob
novel sinew
idk it's just frustrating to get rekt in pvp when I went classic for that And I took random stuff
tough pilot
Yeah no ghost strike? You should def check some basic guides out
plucky nymph
There's no stronger tank, they can't generate threat at low levels.
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Just do less damage 4head
errant timber
basically my experience with pvp
otherwise ranged make you their bitch with their endless cc's and kiting lmao.
tough pilot
And rogue doesn't just auto win in PvP. People think rogues are op because a few montages from ages ago.
Rogues only become beasts with gear. And that's not for awhile.
drowsy phoenix
might need crippling to win pvp more
tough pilot
Locks, mages, hell even hunters all have easier time with no gear
dusk crystal
locks 
tough pilot
Fear you to another planet then dot you up. Just wait til they get gear. Locks become ignorant.
tough tartan
why the hell would you duel as dagger rogue
entire reason im going dagger rogue is for ganking
tough pilot
Dagger is fine for duels once you get...good daggers which isn't for awhile.
Like the daggers we are able to get atm are dooodooo
errant timber
Shit like vanish not giving any immunity to being revealed is HELLA annoying though
plucky nymph
Yeah but you get the trade-off of Vanish disjointing projectiles @errant timber
errant timber
i also never picked up more blinding powder 
vast elm
should i rush to riposte or skip it for now and snag stacks in precision?
drowsy phoenix
riposte good
tame geyser
100% riposte
plucky nymph
4000% Riposte
vast elm
i assume i skip sword specialization while leveling then and respec to pick it up after capping?
plucky nymph
Yeah you respec @ cap out of Riposte anyway.
tame geyser
there's a talent guide in pins, I think it's good
plucky nymph
and there are too many very good maces while leveling to trap yourself into just swords.
robust moon
40 charges on poisons dont seem fun π¦
in dungeon u gotta reapply it quite often π
how is rogue aoe/cleave later on?
what lvl is needed for it
tame geyser
30 u can get BF
tough tartan
or just train twohanded and get ravager 
robust moon
what I've noticed while doing dungeons
when you switch the target - your character stops aotoattacking
is that a classic thing ?
tough tartan
no, its that u havent attacked the target again
u dont notice it in bfa because ur spamming abilities left and right
robust moon
i hate it π
tough tartan
its like 90% of combat in classic tho
robust moon
did u mean right clicking with mouse?
tough tartan
no
robust moon
or u still have that "attack" icon on ur actionbar? π
tough tartan
^
robust moon
meh π
ruby bridge
so, whos the highest in here on classic?
tough tartan
i dont do drugs so idk
plucky nymph
Not me, only 31.
vocal hornet
Only 20
hoary sluice
whats the best questing addon?
i cant keep looking googling where to go for this. its so frustrating lol
tough tartan
classic π
plucky nymph
What are you googling?
Locations of things? Questie is pretty good at solving that, though buggy when picking up quests sometimes.
requiring a ui reload (/console reloadui) to have things display correctly.
plucky nymph
Yeah Questie basically does that.
Though reading the quest text tends to solve that issue as well.
hoary sluice
yeah sometimes its fine. others its just vague as well
lost star
That is all part of the fun
plucky nymph
Ye
gentle walrus
hey guys i need a macro for ambush / backstab that equip a dagger and switch back to my sword after
anyone know one ?
somber olive
Pre much just insta deadly poison does more dmg but only if the mob lasts the whole duration
errant timber
Deadly does more over time than instant, but is a dot, and most things will die before it ticks out
You probably won't be able to use it in raids either because it takes a debuff slot
somber olive
Its also terrible in pvp cause it ruins your gouge sap and blind
gentle walrus
anyone have the macro for ambush backstab?
plucky nymph
o _O
drowsy phoenix
lolwut
plucky nymph
looks at energy
looks at the cost of ambush and backstab
drowsy phoenix
looks at GCD
hushed laurel
as in check if youre stealthed, ambush if yes back stab if no?
plucky nymph
It's called normal gameplay.
drowsy phoenix
can just have ambush and backstab in the same spot on your actionbar
errant timber
^
plucky nymph
That macro? Sinister Strike.
gentle walrus
tried /equipslot [stealth,noequipped:Daggers] 16 Thornblade
/cast [stealth,equipped:Daggers] Ambush
/equipslot [noequipped:Swords] 16 Cruel Barb
no working
plucky nymph
ambushes
switches weapons
triggers GCD
stands around not attacking, having wasted a GCD and probably his time
plucky nymph
A LITTLE AGGRO ON THE ZOOM
errant timber
Idk sinister strike doesn't hit as hard as ambush but it doesn't waste a gcd swapping back
drowsy phoenix
but you do lose bag space for partaking in such tricky trickster tricks
plucky nymph
have to stealth to ambush, not worth the time O _O
lean pendant
idk if this has been posted yet but
old stone
How are people going about getting their mounts? I have 70g at 39 and ill just probably keep questing until I have enough
lean pendant
lean pendant
questing alone should get you close to 100g for mount but thats if you're not disenchanting or buying gear/mats from the ah
skills cost a lot tho so only learn what you need early on
daring thunder
wtf is that shadow
lean pendant
ETTU
idk free shit
also mfw i see all these mages from level 30-40 without their class wands and im sitting here 31 about to turn in the quest and get mine 
daring thunder
i see like
level 32 warriors with whirlwind axe
wish i had people to carry me through that quest
drowsy phoenix
my main hand I bought from trade 8 levels ago
lean pendant
i just need to find a 5man group for scarlet library so i can loot the fuckin book i need
but everyone is doing it in a raid group
drowsy phoenix
gnomer got any maces?
drowsy phoenix
ughhh
drowsy phoenix
it's a hell of a lot of priests and mages for some reason
so I bring ST they bring AoE
hushed laurel
mages make things great
void meteor
no more sm 10 man farms
limpid blaze
yep thank heavens
vocal otter
Got my hands on the skull mace, how long should it be good for?
Or would I be better off DWing cruel barb?
neat sun
Holy fuck ... People need to fuck off to another game already so I'm not in queue
daring thunder
should've picked a better server 
neat sun
I'm on Pagle. This is the first time I've ever had a queue
daring thunder
oof
neat sun
It's only 30 minutes - I'm just watching GTA RP on Twitch anyway.. Not really a big deal.
I'm more curious to see if I have more than 100g in my mailbox from my posts this morning
hushed laurel
Pagle usually has a queue on prime time
neat sun
Yeah, if it stays like this I'll probably just reroll
I don't want to play on a server that has a queue every night, but hopefully queues will die down when people quit playing
chilly coral
just use teamviewer to remotely keep yourself logged in at all times
chilly coral
just use teamviewer to remotely keep yourself logged in at all times
hushed laurel
yah, the pagle queue has dropped a lot over hte last few days. was 2 hours or so on release, dropped to 1 1/2 up till the other day, been 45 minutes since
neat sun
We'll see
I already have enough money for my epic mount so I really don't want to reroll, lol
drowsy phoenix
how do you have 900 gold
neat sun
I made over 300 gold selling Hillman's Cloak, about 75g selling Barbaric Shoulders, etc.
I've found like 9 blue boes that I've sold for 2.5g minimum
I sell everything
I ground out 35-36 in STC humanoids, made like 40 gold doing that.
Literally, sell everything you can. Even if it's for 3s more than vendor. It all adds up
daring thunder
meanwhile im sitting on 11gold
silver cove
queues on the eu realms are l ike.. slowly dying down
as in i could login to gehennas at 11pm without a queue
should start trending downwards pretty hard tomorrow and onwards
neat sun
You're both clearly not "selling everything"
If you haven't made at least 50g on your profressions yet, you've already missed the bubble.
silver cove
sell your body
daring thunder
im not really fussed on making gold
neat sun
Hillman's Cloak went from 1g each to 35s each overnight
daring thunder
rather enjoy the game first
silver cove
being broke is part of the fun
drowsy phoenix
^
drowsy phoenix
also im not wasting my time on productions before wasting my time getting to 60
neat sun
I mean ... that's up to you. Queuing up crafts in TSM and then doing them takes all of 5 minutes
Meanwhile, I don't have to pick pocket for 20+ hours at 60 now
vocal hornet
I got auctionator data to work with tsm.
neat sun
Good job
They fixed Auctioneer and added a manual scan to TSM
So you don't need Auctionator anymore, lol
vocal hornet
Damn.
neat sun
Yeah, I just saw it before I got into the queue
vocal hornet
It was broken on vendor search anyway.
neat sun
Yeah, that's because vendor search relies on the AH database
And that doesn't exist in Classic (although I think there's a lightweight addon for it)
vocal hornet
There is a spot to repath the source for vendor, just doesn't work with the Atrvalue
Nbd. Just glad to see ah vs vendor prices to decide to sell without mailing to my bank toon.
Some stuff is just dirt bottom below vendor value
plucky nymph
Also, debuff tracking is whack.
plucky nymph
Nah, retail debuff tracking is perfect.
WHEN it exists.
To be tracked.
It's fucked in Classic.
Rupture WA 0's out, 6 seconds still on Rupture.
_>?
woo
drowsy phoenix
I cant imagine classic on pandemic timers
plucky nymph
Thankfully that's not a thing.
karmic bridge
I find myself refreshing dots around their pandemic timers just out of habit
drowsy phoenix
yeah I tried doing that with snd for a small bit
plucky nymph
EXTREMEWASTE
drowsy phoenix
yeah no kidding it;s like wasting 20 energy p much
plucky nymph
and a lot of TIME.
unkempt cove
So I have an 1.8 speed dagger with higher DPS than my mace 2.8 speed. Which do I put mh vs oh
drowsy phoenix
why do we sometimes get 21 energy after a tick
silver cove
magic
sharp grotto
just hit 30... do i ever get quest at raventholdT? or have to do anything there? or just main cities
somber olive
Hey can anyone give me there thoughts on how good my talent build is?
drowsy phoenix
so it looks like I'll have 3 extra talent points to use until I get AR after finishing my mace spec
gonna fill up improved SS or gouge maybe
hushed laurel
man, i kinda feel bad for you. cant wield 2 handed maces for maximum mace stun
drowsy phoenix
well I have two maces to regular stun with
are there any 1H maces with light stuns?
hushed laurel
2 maces are almost a dark iron pulverizer, but not quite
i dont think so, but there might be some shite early level one or something
drowsy phoenix
I could use empyrean to speed things up for more chances but idk
hushed laurel
man, getting empyrean off a tank would be rough
drowsy phoenix
ironfoe perhaps
hushed laurel
ironfoe would be sick since its an extra chance to stun, but also, lolironfoedroprate
think it was a 2.75% proc chance or something like that, not sure if we 100% know yet though
also, IMO imp gouge is the way to go
1.5 seconds of extra incap is pretty huge
drowsy phoenix
honestly I think the timer increase beats a bit of energy too
esp in pvp which is what im going for as well
silver cove
you can restealth off a 3/3 imp gouge can't you so probably super valuable points if you're just gonna be pvpgaming
drowsy phoenix
I've heard seal fate is lackluster until a certain tier
im not too sure about this, maybe putting some of the utility into malice and 2/3 snd
also not too big on aggression
outer grail
any decent weak auras around?
somber olive
Well what if i took off seal fate and got master of deception would that be a good idea or would seal fate be too good
royal crater
So question about the WA's. Tried to use a few of them to monitor the poisons however none of them seem to be recognizing the poisons. I attempted to change the name to like instant poision II and update, but it was like the WA was still not detecting the buff on the weapon and completing the triggers. Tried a few different WA's pinnned here. Any ideas what i am doing wrong?
fringe sail
does anyone have a link that image that shows which spells/spell ranks we don't need to buy while leveling?
plucky nymph
Poisons aren't an aura.
Any list of spells should aid you enough in you choosing what you do and do not want.
Seal Fate is shit you have no crit.
royal crater
So what would their triggers be @plucky nymph Do I have no way of detecting it with a WA?
drowsy phoenix
whenever you look like you're casting a spell that's your poison lol
royal crater
I actually was trying to get a WA that monitors them so I dont forget to put them on Mace
plucky nymph
I think the only way to do it is make a WA that saves that you have successfully cast a poison, then whenever it sees procs it reduces the stack count.
royal crater
Like been trying to use Phonis WA and a few other.
plucky nymph
But I ain't programming that.
royal crater
okay thanks.
plucky nymph
They're not a normally stacked aura so there's no easy way.
There are a lot of old addons that manage poisons though.
Will tell you when they've faded, etc.
royal crater
Ahh okay, sucks. Maybe an addon will come out later on that will help out I havent been able to find an old addon that works.
plucky nymph
Yeah it's fucked atm.
royal crater
Alright thanks alot for the information. I will wait for an addon
brisk merlin
I used to have a power aura for them back in wotlk but I donβt think they had charges back then
plucky nymph
Co-rrect.
round oriole
question if i just did the ravenholdt quest to talk to fahrad
do i go to durnholde and get friendly?
or is that the end of rogue quest
glossy portal
why does every single dungeon group look for mages, when we do so much more damage ?
civic crest
Water probably
glossy portal
who doesn't like free stuff, right?
drowsy phoenix
got aggro from something and killed through unpathable wall
the "difficulty" is kicking in
vocal hornet
aoe and wont take weps from the tank
exotic trellis
tank should be levelling with 2H and their mainhand doesnt need to be great for tanking levelling dungeons whereas rogues always need to have 1h swords or daggers
Therefore I will lay down the claim of "ROGUE LOOT"
errant timber
I mostly greed unless there's a hunter
Then it's need cause you know that bitch will.take it otherwise
lucid sedge
is there any WA or addon to just display a simple CP above enemy nameplates?
versed cedar
pale echo
Anyone else addicted to classic or just me
errant timber
It's fun
glossy portal
I can't wait to get home from work
frosty rover
I was like "i will play classic as casual", I almost only play classic now :3
exotic trellis
Doing my professions was kinda fun
Idk why
Going around to all the major cities to grab recipes for cooking
sand cipher
i have outlaw sabre, sword of hammerfall, and a 14dps dagger that has +10 AP. should i use the hammerfall sword in MH, and outlaw sabre in OH, despite the fact that its slow asf?
or should i keep this garbo green dagger in OH since it's fast and gives bonus AP
have these 3, how should i orient them in which slots?
exotic trellis
I think 1.12 has a PPM system in place
So it doesnβt matter how slow your weapons are for poison application
Man I wish I could get outlaw Sabre on alliance
half geode
quick question, when you start getting into sword specialization, do you basically only use 1 ss then wait for your main hand swing especially at the start when you have a lot of energy, i can see doing that later since it's a bit slow at regen
raven snow
As a Herbalism rogue, which herbs do i have to save? Mageroyal and?
exotic trellis
Fadeleaf is used for blinding powder and Swiftthistle is used for thistle tea
raven snow
oh got it wrong with Mageroyal then, thank you
obtuse tide
Hey guys, having a good time in classic so far except for one thing: CPs. They seem to be desapearing any time I change or unselect my target (without applying new CPs to that other target). I had the impression it was not like that back in vanilla but wasn't sure so I checked on reference video of the good old days and it corretly keeps the CPs:
- https://youtu.be/k1t0A1cqGcw?t=950
- https://youtu.be/k1t0A1cqGcw?t=1018
- https://youtu.be/k1t0A1cqGcw?t=1407
- https://youtu.be/k1t0A1cqGcw?t=1441
Do you also experience this problem?
@raven snow You can gather Swiftthistle "in" Mageroyal (and Briathorn if I am not mistaken) so it is worth focusing on those.
errant timber
obtuse tide
Thanks! So it should deseappear until BC is out in 2.0.3... :p
(but not when unselecting them as that was patch in 1.4, I will do some testing tonight to check)
tiny gyro
can the thistle tea quest be done at level 20? struggling with being able to pickpocket the mobs outside the tower
also does the master of deception from subtlety tree help with this?
tame geyser
ye can be done at 20
sand cipher
i think so too @exotic trellis but shadow panther advises a fast OH once you unlock poisons
@tiny gyro same, i could not pickpocket the foreman after many attempts. i just killed him instead and got the drop
tiny gyro
oh you can kill it too? damn
chilly coral
Yea but it doesnt matter since the key doesnt actually open the chest at the top
Still need your lockpicking to be at level 70
tiny gyro
leveled it to 100 already anyway π
leaden moon
how does hemo stack up vs backstab for pvp?
gloomy hawk
shadow tapir
No
hidden basin
No just health
frosty rover
subtely ftw
chilly coral
yea expose armor if youre getting boosted by your friends in a dungeon and you want to somehow be useful (like i did when i was taken to deadmines at level 15 π )
desert atlas
Having hard time having 100% SnD and doing 5 CP evisc
slim crane
i dont think its possible to get !00% SnD and 5CP evisc until you get to put points in improved SnD
gray stream
Thoughts on combat dagger vs. combat swords ? Daggers are way more fun imo.
stray jay
It's ok but you won't do as much damage until you get a lot of crit, which is around naxx
vocal hornet
@gray stream if you get the +dagger skill items, combat dagger will be fine.
gray stream
I see. How much dps loss would you estimate ? Or rather, how much better is combat swords during the early phases ?
vocal hornet
im not playing anything backstab due to solo or peeling in dungeons. Human so I use sword /mace if possible.
and stealthing around is silly when I just run and slash stuff in the face.
riposte hits really hard as well.
vocal hornet
gl.
gray stream
3 shotting a mob doesn't need luck π
vocal hornet
saw some builds that use ambush or bs.
its not luck, just seems slower.
i stealth like 2x a day probably
gray stream
Camouflage ftw