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gonna be rogue.
classic wowhead shows 2 different bonuses. +2 hit. and +1crit / 28atkp
sounds good.
anyone can wear but LW makes. sounds good.
Yeah the AP/Hit chance/Crit chance is too good to pass up
Hell even warriors use it
Legs have 46 AP alone
@vocal hornet You're going Warrior, right?
Ohh
Saw you said rogue
Okay, so - for farming gold.
- Always check the AH and see if it's profittable to buy cloth, convert them to bandages, and vendor them. (Don't look at AH price of bandages. You want fast cash)
- Take skinning. Doesn't matter if you go LW or not - leather is free money even if you're only vendoring it.
- Pickpocket EVERYTHING. Make macros to pickpocket the mob, then use an opener.
- Only buy instant poison + level 1 of crippling. Crippling poison is OP as fuck against murlocs.
- Don't run dungeons while leveling. Once you're 60, go back and clear all of the low-level dungeons up until you can't anymore for the free quests/gear.
- Clear the highest dungeon you can solo in a reasonable amount of time. For most, this will be farming SM GY, or Stockades.
- PICKPOCKET EVERYTHING. Remember how I told you to do old shit? Did you pickpocket it? Well, do that dumby.
- Make a bank character. All of the greens you get, send them to your bank. Level that character to 5 and get enchanting.
Without a ton of gear, you probably will have a hard time pickpocket farming in BRD. You won't be able to solo a dog or two if they aggro. So, you'll want to pickpocket in RFD (making sure to check for quests)
SM GY is great, though, as you get 1-2g per blue from bosses as well as chests. The Mithril Shield Spike can come from those chests, and those are ez money

I literally just typed that up. I'll make a better one when I'm at the house and post it.
Mages will probably be a bit faster as far as gold farming is concerned
but Rogues are right up there
If you aren’t going LW, Mining would be another source of income
Honestly, the key to goldfarming is always: Don't get bored. When you're tired of pickpocketing, go find things to farm. There are quests that require a leather chest to turn it in. They sell like hotcakes in those areas.
Then you could swap off skinning for Engi later
issue is you cant track herbs and mining at the same time
and i guess you lose time more than with skinning
Start a racket by selling the entire set of notes. Again - free money while farming for leather
Lose time, how?
skinning, my bad
It's not losing time
you already killed the mob, and you need to regen on the way to the next mob
Heavy leather vendors for 1.5s
Herbalism is ideal for rogues who are doing dual gathering
Most dungeons you're going to go pickpocketing in have herbs in them, as well as you can farm your own Fadeleaf
indeed
Alchemy is a fantastic passive money maker for alts as well
I'll probably spend the bulk of my time farming leather in STV. Those pages sell well. People love completing those quests and will pay 50s to 1g for each page.
skinning/herbing all the way till 60 for sure.
good $ making like you said, and its fast.
@neat sun what level do you recommend doing poison quest?
And what if solo?
Fair enough. So you think its better to rush poisons with a group if possible? Or is just grinding to 24-25 then solo poison's about the same?
I mean just ask world chat if there is anyone trying to do it
For sure. Yeah im sure there will be a bunch looking to do it.
Guaranteed there will be at least one
Mhm
Man, pickpocketing gamon is gunna suck, he's always gunna be dead
Just be quick
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@neat sun I'll copy this stuff and get back to you. In an online class right now.
I'm just getting on for the evening. I'll work on cleaning this up a bit.
herm you can do the poison quest as soon as you get it even solo
It'll just be a bit harder but yeah.
Depends on whether you are horde or alliance.
under 100 hours yall ready for some Stabby stabby
4 new servers for EU. who wouldve expected that :v)
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@tough pilot Poison quest line is easily solable at 22, should have a health potion in your bags by then too.
and assuming you're horde, drones are weak to ambush and will nearly one shot them, pats on the next level are weak to rupture (only need 1cp rupture to half health them), next floor after that are weak to evis, they will turn into slime that doesn't do a lot of damage, the boss on the top floor is weak to Ambush, you will take 50% health off with ambush, you will need 85 picklocking skill to open the quest, keep a dagger in your bags until you finish this questline (duh).
I cant decide if i want to do rogue or druid, particularly cat. Cat will do less... but crowd pummeler being bis for the entirety of classic sounds hillarious
Yeah, hilarious.
You'll be able to tank 5mans easy
Also correct me if im wrong, doesn't that weapon have limited uses?
thats hardcore Kappa
Hardcore stupid.
That's hilarious and sad lol never knew that
at least the BIS helm is perm
The helmet is permanent for sure, the weapon doesn't seem to be, at least for PVE content.
Should also know that you will never have tier items basically.
Well, you will, after everyone else
the price you pay to play what you want
worth it maybe?
No the gear isn't worth using.
A lot of the power in the tier sets is through the bonuses, which Feral gets nothing from.
Oh right, I only know so much about kitty vanilla
Just get the shoulders and for the bragging rights
thats enough
Poor kitteh druids 
Its unfortunate, but if im gonna play a meme spec, i may as well do one thats easy to gear. And i since ive got a good chance at being one of the only druids, i can stock up on tier to switch if i feel like it
One of if not the*
The thing with the meme specs is that you really don't get "easy gear" other than the shit that no one wants in the slots that tier is in.
But some people ain't gonna want the tier until they have like 6-8 pieces anyway and you're rolling with them for off-set pieces anyway.
and then probably do poorly at the end of the day.
that's not bad for Elemental.
I saw a guild that was exclusively recruiting meme specs. Had a lot of members too lol
But you gotta go through a shit 3 piece to get to it.
Elemental might be the least "meme" spec.
of the meme specs.
What is Ret?
I meant because i have 2 bis that last the whole time, just need to refarm one from a soloable dungeon, and then a good chunk of bis still isnt even from the raid, only like 4 pieces. At least for phase 1
makes sense
now that's a stupid helmet.
It could be worse, like survival hunter

Most of Rets power comes from their burst and Hand of Rag or R14 weapons being a thing.
Past that they get their shit purged and swing like idiots until they die.
Ret does get the 2.5 set though.
yeah, i remember some of those rets. they were scary
actually good
Do ret judgements and excorcism benefit from int?
The 2.5 tier sets tried to shore of some of the meme shit.
Mana is a big deal in Vanilla.
Mana burn is a thing, and your spells are not cheap.
You also have no fucking SPI probably.
when did they get rid of combat ressing and drinking? remember that in MC. that was weird. you'd just walk far and get out of combat or something
pretty sure that was a thing
like mid-boss
Yeah there was no zone-wide threat table.
You could just never engage in combat and OOC rez people.
oh yeah, there were people that were just dedicated to stay out and rez somtimes. lol
i remember mostly on garr for some reason
Anything with bombs, Garr was probably from fall-damage.
Oh, actually, i really dont know this. Does windfury totem affect feral?
The way feral works feels a bit weird, and i think im just being dumb, but i have no clue if weapon enchants really work for feral
You probably just use +AGI, but if you're using MCPs have fun enchanting 1200 fucking MCPs.
$$$
Good point
Dunno if the can proc things though.
Its more about the windfury totem, because i will be horde
You also need 9% hit the hard way, as weapon skills don't influence Feral attacks.
Yeah, i saw that
Just sounds like waaaaaaaay too much work for the return.
Im ok with that. Part of the reason is i actually do want the flexabillity to tank or heal dungeons while leveling or the extra movement speed pre mounts. Ill take the pre-60 qol in exchange for more annoying end game prep
Thank you for pointing out the faults with feral though, i wanted someone to point it to my dumb face so i had to ask of i was ok with it
Yeah it's kinda butt, nice for PVP though as you still have your other abilities.
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Thx.
And hey, theres still solace in that people suck so i still might top charts once in a blue moon lmao
heh
Im just curious how many fire mages will forget that fire just... doesnt work for like all of phase 1
bahahaha
Remember fire resist gear I member
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@vocal hornet Guide didn't get made... I went to bed. lol
Was good enough.
It's pretty simple though - always take skinning, AH everything if you are thinking long term, vendor everything if you're thinking short term
I'll more than likely go skinning/herbalism and then just make an enchanter/alchemist bank mob
I doubt I'll even AH profit much off of the herbs. No one will need them and I'll probably vendor them. But, once I can start getting things like fadeleaf and Swiftthistle, it's free money
I got into TwitchRP yesterday, D3 is tonight... All are getting neglected. lol
Classic wow subreddit seems to be in an uproar about that new addon
which
The LFG one
does it use a chat channel ?
The classic WoW subreddit is always in an uproar
that seems neat
it's a stupid addon imo and that's only the start
Didn’t something along those lines exist back in vanilla
It’s a fine addon if people want to get to grouping faster
the alternative is just yelling into the void isn't it?
manually making and searching for groups is already in the game
this is fully automated quite literally
Spam trade chat and hope for the best
i can't really see any issues with it
The only type of lfg system there should be is the fundamental initiative to actually converse with everyone on a fair playing field no socially constrictive clique formed into a drop down list of numbers 🤔
We don't need an add-on to be team player do we? 🤣
Imagine talking to people 
Everytime
Is sim craft releasing a classic version?
On live I have a stealth macro that doesn’t knock me out of stealth if I’m spamming the key. Is there something similar for classic?
I haven’t been able to google anything that seems to work
@soft hornet looks good to me.
@lavish berry yeah /1 60 Rogue LFG UBRS, promise I dont suck. (repeat for 30mins until I log out)
if that's what ya wanna do
What's the point of that macro if I may ask? Did you have trouble with queuing destealth? Pretty sure you can make a one way stealth macro tho
@mellow sequoia
My guild has 0 rogues so far, its weird. We are super ranged and healer heavy
Quite anti meta then
I always accidentally unstealth because I spam the key so much @fallen panther
Is there a hemo spec talent guide?
The classic rogue discord had a bunch of guides for weird builds.
can you shoot me a link to there?
I don't vouch for the credibility. But lots of content.
Protip, put stealth on your bar but dont have it in the same spot on your stealth bar. Spam it to your heart's content
Good tip.
Well....they're rogues...
@ruby bridge I saw one site claiming that the BIS dps for classic is Ele and Shadow priest.
combat and fury were dead last.
so I closed it.

I really was hoping that raidbots or someone would support classic content. but no one is in position to take the subscription fees. they are hedging that enough people wont actually be playing raid at 60
not sure if classic will be supported by simc anytime soon
not really needed imo
Man this whole addon crowd vs non addon crowd already tells me this classic experience is gonna be rough.
Society just ain't the same it was 15 years ago. So much outrage and divide already
most people (imo) are against automated grouping addons, just the minority who would prefer having it talks about it
for classic anyway
dont need live wow systems for classic
i mean, you will likely have a guild for groups
what race (hord) and professions are you guys rocking for classic?
Orc or undead. Want engineering but not sure if I will take at first. Itll slow down my leveling, but that may be fine since I'm leveling with IRL friends whom I expect will level relatively slow
Warlock btw.
female orc or male ud
ill probably subscribe to whatever supports classic. +hit vs +crit vs extra swings, +dagger vs human with swords. still too many variables for a spreadsheet imo.
Yea. I love female orcs.
i think male orc looks a bit better maybe its just me. i like the big shoulders depending on the set youre wearing
Female orc laugh is BiS
Warlocks are evil. And women are more evil. Female orc warlock fits the RP
true hahah
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Undead or orc for lock?
orc so you never lose to rogues
Hm lol
Cannibalize seems like it would synergize well with a lock
But triggering rogues seems fun
Man, old dungeons for gold farming isn't worth it... lol
Nope.
I'm putting together info for running old dungeons for farming gold.
Other than for maybe some random BoEs that are zone drops.
Really doesn't seem worth it at all until you're running 35+
Dunno about that though.
Drop rates on most of that stuff is extremely low as well.
yeah
For example..
Deadmines - Total value from a bad run and full quests: 1g 56s
So, unless you just REALLY need the 500 SW rep and a few other things, Deadmines is worthless to run at 60
And that's a 18-20 dungeon
I can see it being worth it if you are selling lockpicking level kits or something, lots of humans there.
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m'eh
I'm not counting pickpocket or what you get out off of normal mobs
Simply quests + boss loot
You MIGHT get 5g on a run .. You might even get super lucky and get 10g on a run
But, it's not sustainable
Even RFD
Or, doing SM GY runs
Depends on the class though, too - this guide is helpful for everyone.
Not just rogues
I'll eventually make a Pally to sell power levels
But yeah some classes will have issue making money compared to some classes > _>
eh
Pallies, Mages, Hunters, Rogues are all great
Total value from Quests: 66s 03c
Total value from Worst Boss Drops Possible: 66s 45c
Total value from Best Boss Drops Possible: 2g 65s 97c```
Not bad.. Probably 5-10g a run once you factor in all of the vendor crap
I still think SM GY is probably the best to run for mages and shit
P1, maybe. After P2 it becomes DM.
Though if you have a tank friend, Strat live side runs are worth bank if you reserve first orb
no, you can't count "reserving" things, and random dropos
You can run the entire thing and get none, or 4
You have to count what is repeatable
If you're a pally, you can probably come close to cracking 50g an hour running SM GY
ret aura + shield spike + conc against a bunch of undead... GG
Plagueland bats are easy and worth something as well. Though they aren't instanced so it varies a ton. Same with that crypt in WPL
I'll be bouncing between EPL bats, BRD/RFD pickpocketing, and SMGY
iirc, doesn't GY have a debuff that can hurt? Might be misremembering
nope - you can stealth run it
My buddy and I used to run stealth runs (dual rogue) for the rare boss
And we were only like level 30 or so
Yah, that makes sense. Was referring to masspulling the place mostly.
Ohhh
Just farm SFK and hope shadowfang is still worth super bank 
SMGY you're looking at 5g in boss loot + the potential for Mithril Shield Spike recipe
Nothing will have value for at least a month
farming liquid gold is the best bet
Yah, ive been assuming the AH will he dead for the first 2 or 3 months, or at least be completely off value
yup
People will make money off of it
But I'm not working the AH a few g a day
Fishing will be dogshit for raw gold
So is first aid.. At least first aid is basically required in Classic
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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Fishing is kinds important early for raiders, need your summer carp
Holy /disc was horrible for gold farming.
Couldn't pick a weed without agro trouble
And it was super expensive swapping shadow and back.
ye
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I gotchu fam
also on wowhead now
picture of paladin in the park > wow logo
Mine is a copy/paste from bornakks post in the classic discord, mines more legit obviously 
mine is copied from wowhead news channel in RH, im more powerful than you
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Saved all their good realm names for classic I see wats going on 😄🤔🤔🤔😉😉😉
Classic could very well be blizzard brezing them selves irl
Could be a fresh start
Do it right this time
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So is everyone going #noaddons?
would the cure for the poison part of your rogue classquest be worth doing for the xp or is it more efficient to just find a druid to not have to do the quest?
but it's a fun quest line
that's a decent non-answer answer
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at least it's decent
now whether or not the xp from said quest is also decent 😛
I do not have an answer for that 😄
so i cant really remember but is it worth having herbalism for poisons/thistletea/vanish powder?
im already going skinning early for some cash towards first mount and general stuff
I want to go alch/herb for leveling and endgame but I’m worried about making the devilsaur gear. Is it hard to get the gold/mats on a fresh server? (Hopefully no mafia stuff going on)
Early devilsaur leather will most likely be used by the group that gets it, prolly guilds hearing up their warriors/rogues. Doubt much will end up in the AH for awhile. If you want devilsaur, take skinning/have a guildie or friend who does and kill some of them
wait, i thought the point of classic was to have more chilled raids
if you dont play a human rogue, you dont get into our raid 
😂😂😂😂🤣 this
can i be a compatitive melee hunter?
When will the first reddit posts complaining about class stacking rogues warriors and hunters happen is what I want to know
@ruby bridge if you can compete with other melee hunters
i think there was an item that makes melee hunter possible even
but overall, spamming 1 button seems very 
I still can't think of what class to pick
melee hunter does not spark your desire?
No
In fact, I am considering hunter in general
Wanna play something new to me maybe
Mage, hunter or rogue most likely
If you don't think these items belong on a hunter, then you obviously don't play a hunter. Stick to playing your class please.
Every weapon that hunter can equip is a hunter weapon
well, unless you pvp armour doesn't matter for anyone but tanks, right
@fuu#7750 The melee hunter weapon is Nightfall. Its super awful because you just spam wingclip. You're a group support
Usually you just have one of your warrior tanks use it on fights they aren't needed
Some groups use Paladins or shamans as nightfall bitches, but they don't really have a way to proc it, so it's a warrior thing mostly
ah ye nightfall, well melee hunter is good for that weapon
Yerp. If you're bringing enough like its real stronk
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Judgement works iirc, so more consint than enhance
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soon 
Has anyone made a good rogue guide for what talents to take and whatnot?
Yeah there's lots, from 2004 to 2019.
Thanks appreciate the help
lmao that one guild trade chatting the other guild that tried to recruit
Doooooooooooooes anyone remember what patch zone-wide threat was applied from boss encounters was added?
- something
n11 or human ? 😄
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what poisons would you use in a 5 man setup? 2xinstant outdoors and 1xdeadly / 1xinstant for dungeons?
3 rogues, warri tank, holy pala
deadly is useless for 5man imo
stuff dies fast
crippling is better for mobs that run away
good point
Deadly is still viable for raid tho? Just instant for lvling and dungeons?
you cant take up a debuff slot by using eadly poison
instant poison or you get the boot
is undead better than orc for rogue?
I mean are you gonna do any amount of pvp ... I like undead for Will of the Forsaken, but a case can be made for stun resist from orc so go with what you can stand looking at for a million hours
Orc is great. UD is good. Breaking fears is strong but its honestly not as loks still beat the fuck out of you. Its great against intim shout, but, eh, not worth losing the stun resist
Will there be a classic rogue channel for gameplay etc stuff instead of a misc channel?
there is a chance there is a classic rogue discord
also this is just that. It's not reallya misc channel atm
Well thanks for the infos gonna dig through it
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spec is a bit less defined in classic and the "spec" you lean into more will depend on your prefered type of content
but I don't think you ever focus sub for most things but not rogue player in vanilla so idk
Such a broad question. Is the combo for leveling? Raiding? Pvp? Like... Come on lol
This is not like retail where you have cookie cutter stuff for all content.
Also sub is good for pvp and isn't bad for pve once you get good daggers. But that doesn't happen for awhile due to swords being so much better for first tier
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you don't farm mats for poison
you go to a vendor
you buy and craft
For blind you need fadeleaf
If I really want to be a sweaty tryhard and get better racial in classic do I go undead or orc rogue for pvp in classic?
stun resist very good against many
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In 5man to avoid peeling. Do you keep SnD up and tab target to spread out the St?
Our prot pally is gonna make me work for my dps.
Prot pally 
That's not the question. He is more stubborn than I am. So I'm going to make it work.
Looks like I can tab out ruptures. Then move on.
Just make sure you don’t swap before spending CP
Riiight. Cp is on the target. ..
Yep
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combo points dont go to a new target when you change targets in classic
you will have to tab to a new target before starting a new set of combo points
right.
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quick questin whats the best class for rouge in classic (Horde)
i assume you mean race, but UD or Orc
ohh yeah xD
orc better for pve
ty 😄


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/sw 210
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damn
O W N E D
See u on herod
We're going home bois!
Btw, anyone know where I can see stats for faction balance for classic servers?
Fairbanks squad square up 
Cause I wanna know if stalagg is more horde or ally
Lol
just play normal or rp realm boom not an issue
I bet ull quit if u pick wrong @gray patio
Nah, there's no way i'm quitting classic man
It's gonna quit you 
😂

@gray patio the classic subreddit has some polls up, but thats about as mcuh as youll get. blizz isnt going to release statistics, and if its not a full realm, theres litereal no way to know. plus people will quit as the game goes on, so the realm might lose a bunch of one faction anyway
Ah thank you. I shall check out the subreddit, thanks for the info!
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here be ye update
Still wish they put regions on the server list 😐
No I meant like server loc.
ah
yeah not being able to tell if realm is pacific/eastern
and bam you're three hours into the weird zone
I've made my ooooown list!!
They had it in the server announcements, as well as each new server had it announced
Bigglesworth 
Blizzards list also has the Time Zones all fucking jumbled up.
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As a lock, are soul shard bags worthwhile?
Can't decide, UD or Troll for Rogue. Focusing on PvE and PvP equally. UD obviously has WotF but I've always been a troll boi.
is WotF worth enough in PvP to change that though? lol
It’s very good
But if you’re minmaxing PvP you’d go Orc anyway
I swear people care too much about racials 
ahaha true true
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I mean depending on the circumstance vanilla is the true racial difference on opness
people complain about stuff now
depends on the class
for instance the difference between orcs and human racial for warriors in terms of pve is a lot
correct
1 more try
I'll try again later lol
I do not believe that SIMC will be retrofitted for Classic, though.
it wont.
There are plenty of WoWhead sources @ classic.wowhead.com
I've my branch of RAWR but you can't have that.
Well there's another rogue discord getting big for classic which is why I was curious.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
There are going to be A LOT of discords for the classes, you can at least trust this one.
was nice to talk to seli about combat dagger
❌
with +dagger mod. just fine
Ye it's fine.
Just not for leveling or early on as threat is going to be whack more than likely.
Which spec are you guys going in classic?
Fooooor...
Combat Swords for leveling;
Combat Swords or Daggers depending on what drops.
Seal Fate Daggers after AQ.
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What realm do I choose? Does it even matter? Also i am still torn between orc and undead rogue just for PVP,
pvp
escape artist or idk if you pvp
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will i be looking toward a legendary as a rogue in classic at any point in time?
thunderfury most likely
are there any other obtainable legendaries as a rogue in classic?
I dont think there are that many legendaries in game at all. thunderfury and sulfuras
and was there a mage staff or something? I really cant recall that one
atiesh, yeah i'm torn between playing a rogue, warrior, mage or a priest for different reasons 😛
i'm so torn between undead and orc rogue on a pvp server
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undead better?
there is also an obscure legendary only used while making atiesh usuable inside stratholm a one handed sword
if i remember correctly
yea but thats a conjured item so it kinda doesnt count
it would be like counting the legendaries you get during tempest keep for BiS on TBC 
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There was also a mistake legendary necklace, but I highly doubt blizz snuck that in. Not worth the shitstorm it would cause.
And yah, thunderfury will be obtainable in P3 (but bindings in P1), but it's a tank weapon. Really helps with threat. Casual guilds might give it to a rogue, and its great on rogues but it's usually just tank prio 5ever
does anyone know if classic has pandemic buff/debuff timers
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so, anyone aim to do a classic 24h stream or similar?
What race would you pick as alliance if you want to do both pve and pvp on the same char? Kinda torn
Human, live the best life
that perception on those pesky rogues
That sword mastery
Guys im running horde in classic what is the best race for rogue :)?
PvE or PvP? Orc for pvp, troll for pve, but orcs are still very good.
Tauren rogues have unbeatable stealth though
Im looking to do both, but mostly pve 🙂
Orcs a pretty safe bet, good in both
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I would, but I have a class tomorrow morning T.T
If you're a horde player and care for racials, there is only one race for you and it's not even close.. orc
GL soloing what you are killing, won't be healing you 👋
if I go for a combat swords build do I use a sword in both hands?
Just MH.
whats the reason behind that?
You want poison procs from your OH since it's not normalized yet.
and a faster weapon leads to more procs.
I heard faster weapon does not lead to more procs
Would improved feint help? @plucky nymph Seems like a 10sec CD i could just use it twice instead of sub tree
I dont want to be sitting on my hands staring at omen in 5s.
You use Slow/Fast the entire way through Naxx.
but nothing buffs rupture except way into sub
@waxen iris the fast/slow offhand was "normalized" in current content. It was not at that time.
In raids you're not using Rupture or Garrote to begin with.
sure. Im talking about 20-59 dungeons.
as Horde you don't even use a MH poison as Windfury is too powerful.
live yes
In reality I don't think it matters that much in Classic either.
You're gonna use a fast OH unless there are some serious stats that overcome the proc chance.
You don't have to use swords in both hands.
There are no good daggers out the gates that compete with swords
so thats the main reason?
Not true, Scarlet Kris is a excellent OH.
then I dont see why I cant just use Sword/Sword
hm okay
But as far as mh it's gonna be sword for awhile as far as most optimal goes
yea
Still gonna want Dalrends
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah Combat Dagger isn't a thing without Distracting Dagger, and not until at least MC.
Seal Fate isn't a thing until AQ.
You can use sword sword dax but like stated faster oh is better
It's in numerous rogue guides as well if you don't believe
no i believe you, I thought PPM was a thing but it seems its not
I was also there the first time 👋
It's a thing but not like it is NOW.
The formula is different.
Slow/Fast
and its important to always weave in autos inbetween abilities right?
I liked fat spirit and 5 second rule. Felt more dynamic game play. turns out, math says I shoulda just stacked int and had a bigger mana pool.
weave in autos? like wait for swing timer before hitting SS?
yes
It's more important to clip energy than wait for autos, we're not hunters.
Might change though.
whats that mean
It's in there
and yeah SPI was a neat idea but INT was bigbrain at the time for most specs.
SPI/MP5 was bonkers when you could get near your OOC regen - https://i.imgur.com/ktRqP.jpg
Is there even a way to tell accurately atm? I guess streamer servers might skew that?
not accurately but ye by ppl talking abt it is the best way to "assume"
dunno if there are any eu pvp streamer going alliance tbh
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I imagine there might be some hoping on the first few days as well if queue's are bad.
O_O
soon, shazzrah boys
Hey guys is there any addon similar to Stunwatch out already for classic?
Yeah it's called STUNWATCH, probably.
Ah yes ofc only from 2006 🙂
The real question is what you need it to do, haven't looked into nameplate stuff yet and that's probably the easiest solution if it exists.
is consumables important for rogue classic pvp?
Extremely.
where do you get consumables? Just but them from vendors?
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buffs including consumables
yea do you buy them from vendors?
what professions do you guys recommend for a Dwarf Rogue? I will probably go skinning but idk what my 2nd will be, leatherworking or maqybe another moneymaker like herbalism?
aight, thanks
Herbs will be hard to get early on. I'll be skinning to vendor until later.
I will be going LWing for Devilsaur stuff, skinning is ez money.
@shadowpanther has some good stuff on the topic.
No one has money at the beginning.
You use a little, vendor rest.
Goal is to have mount money at 40
or hoard for when people do have money.
how much g for mount lvl 40?
80g with revered.
Apparently you vendor early herbs. Stockpile fadeleaf and something else.
Ill have a bank toon to mail stash to.
how does that work?
Make a toon. Lvl to 5 for ench. Mail shit to them to stash herbs etc in bank. And DE boes
That's all next week stuff though.
That shadowpanther site is all i need to have optimal pvp gear?
this for leveling
Big list.
If i ever get past that it can be vendored.
You glad to be rogue? Or gonna miss enh?
540 thick leather FUCK
holy fk
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I look forward to running from you in wsg.
this release time, i tried so hard to sleep the past 2 hours so i can grind on release ofr a whole day, but i just cant sleep 😄
i play female dwarf rogue because noone plays them 😛
you go like this
Ew
consumable buffs dont work in BG's ?
Cdew is gonna pump the ele crowd. The wombo combo was real.
Watched him round on a guy full to dead in 1hit.
that broken
Cdew is gonna get focused so fucking hard he will cry o _O
The grand irony of Vanilla PVP videos is that they were;
- All with pocket healers.
- With Berserking.
- Extremely cherry-picked
Not a sane person wants to be on the 20/80 side of a pvp server.
Yeah that's why I am edging towards a PVE server.
No fucking idea how pop. is going to be.
and the last thing I wanna do is spend an hour trying to get inside MC.
I was a pocket healer that followed 8/8 naxx warrior. Had mage Hunter and hpal support.
His flag carrying was like a god.
Like in prepatch you're not killing anyone with a Naxx geared shaman's Earth Shield on someone while he purges everything in the instance.
It's like the only heal they need and they can RP walk the entire fucking way.
when levling what consumables do I always need to have on me in the early game?
Just stuff I can buy from vendors?
Level Bandages asap.
what do you mean, I need something to regain health with no?
First-Aid > _>"
I dont wanna learn that
Too bad.
Yes.
You need it at 60.
why
Cooking as well.
first aid babeyyyy!
If not, play a druid.
imagine hating first aid
I was gonna level leatherworking and skinning
Lol
Things are going to cost more money then you will ever have, gotta make things yourself.
You get first aid. Fishing. And cooking.
You do EVERYTHING you can to get an advantage.
so you can have those + 2 other proffesions?
lul
Reminds me why I wanted rogue. Don't want to be tempted by all the respect from resto druid.
I would love to say no, but you get 2 primary + secondary professions still.
Would love if Fishing were a Primary, haha
I havent played in 7 years im sorry I dont play every day, laugh as much as you want at my dumb questions
Apparently we are to fish every oily pool you come across.
Fishing is pretty shit in the beginning.
Become a true fisherman
Free action pots print gold.

Other than oils and tmog.
them alchies need blackmouth oil
so in total you have 4 professions?
5
5
Hype is too strong. I haven't done any work since Thursday.
it's always been like that besides the addition of archaeology
2 main ones + fishing cooking and first aid?
Ye
Yes
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Yeah never complain about first aid. It will save you countless times from 1-60
HYPERS
I haven't played in 7 years how am I supposed to remember all this lol @drowsy phoenix
My bad
I only played Vanilla once and I remember it 😛
good for you
Better to get the questions out of the way though.
I logged on my priest and did a 5man. Still 62 in full tier 2 with benediction.
Made me lol.
lol
WHERE IS MY GREATER HEAL
I was only 11 when I played vanilla so ofc I dont remember everything
Wtf. Disc took my bubble.
libraryBrain is here forya 👍
yoink
I was 25ish.
Miz LibraryBrain 
so bandages is the only healing im gonna use 1-60?
No
lol

food is a consumable
I linked a GIANT list of consumables.
those are end game consumables no?
Mage food, and cooked food. And bandages.
Food, health pots, bandages
And if you are out of them, take a nap with spirit gear on.
lol
and food and health pots are from vendors?
No
EQ Mana Regen was the major lol.
Pots are drops typically
Can you pickpocket potions?
and food?
Yes
food is also drops?
And vendor
Vendor or cook your own food from meat drops.
Food is dropped, vendored, or made
Pots are dropped, pickpocketed, or made
Bandages are made
what do you need to make bandages and what level is required?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
¯_(ツ)_/¯
imagine the amount of money they make tho, asmongold will have like 100k+ viewers for weeks im guessing
maybe a little less
yeah true, but still like 60k afterwards
He's gonna play classic like a month and go back to retail
streamers are gonna ruin the fun for people that kill them and accuse them of stream sniping
it's gonna happen to someone
and i love it
Do you think the servers are even prepared?
Seems like they always underestimate the amount of players
i mean they told us that some servers are way too crowded and we should expect 10k queues on high pop servers, they even made new servers and told people to switch
so its gonne be bad
¯_(ツ)_/¯
What spec is everyone running to level?
the spec
combat
i wll go combat with double swords since i will mostly level solo
I heard someone said double sword is bad @half hearth
sword in mh only is recommended
I’m going to be playing with my brother (priest) so I was thinking I should probably go sub
But I’m catching up on everything a little late so I wanted to make sure I’m not making a mistake lol
sub is pretty bad for levling
i heared its way harder to get good daggers than swords early on, thats why i will go double sword and put a high DPS one in MH and a fast autoattack speed one in OH
but i never played classic myslefe thats just what i got from watching guides and stuff
hey guys to start i was planning on going herb/skinning. then dropping one at 60 for a crafting profession either alchemy or leatherworking. Is it worth it to go LW?



