w/e
#classic-discussion
worn maple
onyx grove
holy shit, I just realized they are cramming all these people who want to play the demo into 2 zones
nope, nty
single tagging LUL
worn maple
unless
they shard them
S H A R D I N G
I N
C L A S S I C
Watch them do it and try to sell it as an improvement
"THE TEAM discussed it and we felt that CRZ and Sharding were huge improvements to the game overall, despite wrong criticisms about the reduction of server identity and player reputations etc....so we decided to implement them in Classic"
onyx grove
gonna be one hell of a stress test without it
I hope the blizzcon physical demos are on a seperate server lul
worn maple
From an external perspective (I don't think I'll play much Classic at all) it's amusing to watch. Literally any track they go down has potential to be a trainwreck, because so many different factions in terms of what they want/expect from classic exist
onyx grove
theres a strong chance it will be my main mmo for a while
atleast during content droughts
Depends on whether it will just sit at the last raid tier of vanilla indefinetly
impressed that they hired people to downgrade the shaders to emulate a more authentic experience
worn maple
I'll play it some out of curiosity, but mostly I was there for it to begin with
so I don't feel a need to relive it
I don't want it to fail, though
hexed berry
I would like to see a way to get previously retired items and accomplishments and bring that progress to live in someway, it would have to be convoluted enough to not make it overly cheapen peoples' past accomplishments.
onyx grove
most private servers that reach naxx die within the year
until they launch a new server
drowsy phoenix
I had the idea in my head of an option to swap servers and hold a character in a certain expansion
hexed berry
Yeah, I think that's the way.
Then an entire guild could decide when they want to go to the next xpac and transfer over together.
Would give people the option to stay in one "time zone" without restricting people that want to advance to later content.
worn maple
I do wonder what their plan is
after initial launch
how far along they'll re-do expansions
hexed berry
I'm assuming that's what most of the delay was, how to make it an independently viable product, and applying modern backend and tools to legacy games.
If all it is is level to 60 and you're stuck forever, it is only ever a nice nostalgia trip. If there's some sort of progression path, it increases player engagement.
onyx grove
I wonder how long the error code was when they first tried to boot a server on modern machines
vocal hornet
I assume method will have a classic team and steam the classic raids for a race.
hasty tangle
no alt runs in the picture 😄
shut ginkgo
classic wont be that much of a race tbh
private server guilds will probably win the race
still ice
classic servers, either they keep all the class imbalances and people complain, or they try to fix them and people complain. Lmao.
frail terrace
your never going to please everyone someones gonna always complain
hexed berry
whatever... in vanilla could a warrior get to the dark portal at ~level 20? I don't think so.
although lets be real... with that level difference stealth means nothing.
I didn't play vanilla correctly.
quick bear
same night
stable wave
latent tusk
lol
silent pond
In classic channel 🤔
still ice
Classic rogue parry build? 
autumn tiger
maladath is one of my favorite weps in the game, I got it on my warrior
knotty kindle
I like the look of it, but find it hard to get decent mogs with it. Maybe now as horde in bfa with the whole aztec gold theme its possible 😛
void raft
the nightmare blade is same look, different color. Also very nice
knotty kindle
I like Quel'Serrar too 😃
fallow veldt
you only worry about mogs when you're raiding
gotta get those drops
otherwise you look like a clown
latent tusk
everyone is a clown
normal parrot
how 2 fite shadow priest
onyx grove
Rogue vs caster is like 9:1 odds
normal parrot
but he just fears me and his dot does like half my hp
lyric cradle
fallow veldt
yes dad
normal parrot
this is the classic channel yeah? it's in classic
psychic scream > SW:P and maybe devouring plague and i'm dead before i get through his shield
spiral portal
Are you opening?
autumn tiger
geared shadow priest is deadly but yah u can stunlock them with all ur CDs, helps if ur undead too
autumn tiger
cheapshot
tiny jungle
nayashot
fallow veldt
nop)
lethal spire
i wonder how much people will complain at the graphics looking like shit when they play classic
plucky nymph
u assume it's the same
normal parrot
it's not all that much worse
hexed berry
I mean, there are people that think that ☝ so...
autumn tiger
the graphics are a classic cartoon style of Warcraft
they rly haven't improved that much, the old graphics is much cleaner/pleasing to look at in my opinion
worn maple
You think low res is better?
Sincere question
So many of the textures were blurry/bad, I'm surprised anybody would find them preferable
fallow veldt
low textures = more fps?
autumn tiger
well I grew up playing Warcraft , it's always had the cartoony themed art design
modern wow tried to add all these effects and detailed textures that directly contradict with the original simple cartooned art theme
so u get this mesh of cartoony art and high detailed textures and particle effects that don't go well together
Visual diarrhea basically
mellow sequoia
Yikes
autumn tiger
@halcyon thicket Lol sup Corholi
called in sick to work, it may be Classic time lads
fallow veldt
fallow veldt
that orc mog though 
autumn tiger
t2 dragonstalker 👌
normal parrot
T1 chest
halcyon thicket
lol hey @autumn tiger
eager quarry
Priest or Mage for classic world 1st problems
halcyon thicket
idk havent gone there in a while
turns out talking about classic gets old after a while
autumn tiger
ye
that place is awful as well
not allowed to talk about private servers even tho blizzard developers talk/write about pservers 
untold canopy
Just roll fury warrior in classic
fallow veldt
ew fury warrior
once you get to t2. 5
fallow veldt
imagine voluntarily playing a warrior
untold canopy
Best fury warrior will do about 30% more dps than the best rogue
eager quarry
That grind to tho
untold canopy
It's not that bad
Just get herbalism
GG
I mean as a rogue in vanilla you have 0 pve mobility
Sprint is a 3 1/2 minute cd if it's talented
autumn tiger
rogues are top DPS for half of vanilla
warriors outscale them sure but thats the last 3 patches
normal parrot
Fury isn't even good until you get past bwl
autumn tiger
if they no life and get r14 its rly good
normal parrot
No life and get carried to r14
autumn tiger
the dream
runic phoenix
The real dream is to tank your way through r14 and stealth grab yourself fury gear and swap.
autumn tiger
how does that work? tank your way through r14?
normal parrot
Tank?
I don't think prot pvp was a thing back in vanilla
You'd just do defensive stance with a sword and board macro
autumn tiger
everyone needs AV rep for raiding
grinding honor u gotta do the BG weekend for double honor
wsg premades are lit tho
im hoping for a good pvp scene for classic
normal parrot
Most people are gonna hate it lol
A ton of classes are useless without gear
And you're just just gonna get 1shot all the time by people who play 10x more than you
Not to mention it's actually impossible to get r14 if you have a life
autumn tiger
yah a lot of retail players wont like it im sure
the world pvp is gonna be good for everyone tho
especially while leveling
plucky nymph
We. Shall. See.
normal parrot
Love the people who wanted 1.00 classic
Because pvp is so fun without talents and diminishing returns
autumn tiger
https://classicwow.info they have a 1.1 talent calculator there
normal parrot
1.1
autumn tiger
yah 1.1 talents were pretty dumb but i feel like it would be cool / unique experience to be able to relive the true vanilla experience
normal parrot
Half the classes had basically placeholder talents
Like hunter survival tree with rend as the 51 point talent lmao
plucky nymph
Yeah there's a 0% chance we get anything that looks like Vanilla talents > _>
plucky nymph
Even then I dunno.
normal parrot
Dunno about what, it'd be pretty hard to change 1.12 talents
autumn tiger
yah its kinda part of vanilla, the devs specifically stated they liked how private servers use 1.12 talents
hexed berry
what would be the point of saying it's going to be on 1.12 if the talents aren't the same as 1.12?
pretty sure we can expect 1.12
normal parrot
Probably be the same stuff that's on private servers
But with proper fight scripting and such
plucky nymph
[Relentless Strikes]: This ability will no longer trigger when your finishing move does not hit your target.
pfft
normal parrot
Can't wait for vanilla rogue prep
autumn tiger
druid balance 31 pt talent was hurricane 🤣
rogue talent tree is actually one of the least changed ones
normal parrot
Druid had real shitty talent builds in vanilla
autumn tiger
rogues were broken early vanilla no doubt
normal parrot
Rogue had like several viable talent builds even in 1.12
autumn tiger
hemo is prob better but i always liked daggers
just for that moment when u 2 shot clothies while their drinking
normal parrot
I remember running hemo swords in early tbc, but didn't play rogue in vanilla so dunno
autumn tiger
normal parrot
Played hunter because they still had shit like instant flare
autumn tiger
with hemo u build CP so fast u can easily stunlock ppl
bright matrix
Rare if i dont play a rogue in classic will you still be my knowledge base?
normal parrot
Flare rogues right at the start of a duel
autumn tiger
@bright matrix i know about there all is to know about vanila
bright matrix
Perfect
autumn tiger
but especially rogues/warrior/hunter
bright matrix
I was going to sweat it out on a warrior, so thats good news for me
Prepare your dms for a beating
autumn tiger
they are kinda undeniably the best class in vanilla
normal parrot
Late vanilla maybe
normal parrot
MC and early BWL they were still just pretty good in PvE and trash in PvP
bright matrix
Im a big boi ill make it
normal parrot
If you're both pre-raid a priest could probably kill you before you broke his bubble
autumn tiger
in group pvp there one of the best classes
best tank
best damage dealer for most of vanilla
normal parrot
Also have to wear leather until AQ
Actually maybe even through aq
No tier sets for dps warriors feels bad
autumn tiger
tru
hunters and rogues are rly good at the start of vanilla
im kinda tempted to go hunter
normal parrot
Warlock too
autumn tiger
nah locks gotta scale up imo
they become unstoppable around AQ tho
but fear in general is pretty broken in vanilla
autumn tiger
@normal parrot horde or ally?
normal parrot
I played both in classic, mainly ally though
Didn't particularly matter to me since I didn't play paladin or shammy
fallow veldt
I think the main reason people don't make it past the leveling phase is because they're trying to speed-level
then get burned out
bright matrix
I sat and farmed raptors for 14 hours making the gold for my mount in private servers 😂
normal parrot
I was always skinning and mining on my characters to make money
Did a crafting profession for the first time in legion
eternal thunder
Maybe good after a couple weeks months but leveling to get mount at 40
prob just want to vendor stuff
fallow veldt
it'll be worse than the beginning of an expansion
eternal thunder
Yeah v curious what it'll feel like
I started playing wow around when AQ40 war effort started, so def already established economy.
fiery cape
Is classic legit cancelled?
plucky nymph
Yes.
fiery cape
can you link me to the vid?
autumn tiger
LOL at all of the people here who think that Classic is now cancelled and WoW will recieve massive overhauls in the coming weeks.
He’s President of whole company now, guys, not just WoW stuff. He has to manage the corporate beauracracy now, he’s not going to have any time to get involved in game development.
I’m beginning to wonder if anyone here even knows how a corporation works.
fiery cape
Oh, i thought they themselves said classic is cancelled
autumn tiger
they would never cancel their greatest upcoming new release
Allen Adham, Blizzard’s original founder and lead designer of World of Warcraft, will join the executive team while continuing to oversee development of several new games. The knowledge and experience that Ray and Allen bring, in addition to the talent already on the leadership team, will be indispensable in helping move Blizzard into the future.
if I understand the structure correctly, this is mostly a change in who has to deal with Activision's effort to ruin blizzard, moreso than the impact on how any specific game works.
plucky nymph
MM more than likely had little say on anything design or development for a long time.
hexed berry
yeah, it is most likely a position that involves people in suits talking to people in suits about how to get better suits.
plucky nymph
Yo a good suit is important.
hexed berry
a better suit is better tho
hexed berry
wait a minute... who's taking over their old roles? or is this a "for show" promotion where basically MM got pushed out, some people got bumped up, but their duties will basically be the same with Activision creeping in greater control over the company?
head of WoW and head of Overwatch both got promoted.
worn maple
The fear is that Ion will step up
into Brack's position
I'd be willing to bet that if they didn't give it to Ion, he'd leave Blizz and go to another gaming company
a la GC etc
autumn tiger
“I am also excited to have Allen Adham, Blizzard’s founder, who rejoined the company two years ago and Ray Gresko, Blizzard’s Chief Development Officer, join Blizzard’s executive leadership team". Not saying it means anything, but interestingly Mark Kern said that Allen was the "Steve Jobs" of the vanilla wow team.
Glad to have Allen Adham back in a leadership position
What I should have done was just take a sabbatical. I’ve been eager to come back for a decade now." As of late 2016 Adham is working on new projects, or as he describes it, "cool new stuff".[1] Some of these projects are new IPs
Pretty sure he's been working on classic for the past two years
autumn tiger
@ebon grail 3
ebon grail
months till they fixed final boss of a raid tier?
autumn tiger
Cthun is one of the best raid bosses ever made
it's fun to listen to Kungen talk about killing it and all the hard work that went into it
Sad when I see retail raids cleared in the same week they come out, doesn't make it feel epic
autumn tiger
yah cuz it's the first raid to last longer than a reset in how many years?
ebon grail
ToS lasted almost month
autumn tiger
cuz of bugs right?
normal parrot
Kungen straight up killed cthun by accident
autumn tiger
Look up four horsemen, no bugs it lasted longer than any other unbugged boss . Raids used to be hard and epic with 40ppl
normal parrot
Since it got ninja hotfixed
ebon grail
horsemen lasted long because you had to gear 6-8 tanks with 2 items per boss on 40 man raid
autumn tiger
u don't have to
autumn tiger
^
normal parrot
If you fuck up a swap you die
autumn tiger
maybe not 4 but 6 tbh
autumn tiger
and ur thinking of 4 piece set bonus and ZG trinket
so yah u had to work hard to defeat the boss
ebon grail
I hope you enjoy your game, I wont be shitting on it. I'm better than that. Don't ping me here tho with your edgy comments Rare. I dont care.
normal parrot
Of course, but there are like, what, 50 guilds that did 4 horseman or something
I think Yogg0 is technically the least completed fight while it was current though
Only 1 guild completed it in release state
autumn tiger
it took my guild like 20-30 attempts on private servers I hope it's harder on classic
on 4HM
normal parrot
Well it was a lot harder to get a naxx-capable 40 man in classic vanilla
The mechanics were easier, sure, but there was not really any room for screwing up on a lot of the fights
autumn tiger
Yah and each attempt takes a long time to recover from
worn maple
- players were far worse at the game
- the game was imba af
- encounters were straight up broken
- little to no resources
That's why the bosses too a lot longer in the day
novel grove
I remember wanding to get mana back in AQ
Don’t remember much else. I was a wee lad.
normal parrot
The existence of mythic-dedicated groups will make first clears of raids much faster
But we'll probably see the same average % of people clearing the raids
Also the average player will take just as long to clear content as it did in vanilla
Keeping a group of 40 decent players together is way harder than 20, and most struggle at that
autumn tiger
don't come in this channel with lies plz go to #off-topic thx
Longest living bosses in WoW:
Ouro - 87 days from the Twin Emperors' death. 26th April 2006.
C'thun - 86 days from the Twin Emperors' death. 25th April 2006.
tied Chromaggus - 74 days from Ebonroc's death. 25th September 2005.
tied Ragnaros - 74 days from Majordomo Executus' death. 25th April 2005.
Yogg-Saron, Alone in the Darkness - 70 days from One Light in the Darkness. 7th July 2009
High Astromancer Solarian - 59 days from Magtheridon's death. 24th April 2007
The Four Horsemen - 56 days from Gothik's death to D&T's kill. August 25th 2006
only cthun was bugged
but yah the main difficulty was keeping 40 dedicated players
the pserver record for server launch to rag kill is 8 days
normal parrot
They had to cheese yogg with warlocks too
Since you could dps as a warlock without looking at your target
runic phoenix
I came for rare
fallow veldt
mean
worn maple
@normal parrot Yogg was a crazy fight. Honestly think Ulduar was the pinnacle of wow raiding.
normal parrot
Yeah the implementation of hard modes in Ulduar was by far my favorite too
lyric cradle
^
worn maple
I do understand why they couldn't continue that
Like, of all the excuses Blizz has given over the years, that one made sense. "We can't just keep putting buttons in, and balancing a single fight around two modes in the same instance is challenging and we'll run out of gimmicks to "activate" through."
But for a moment let's compare C'thun to, idk, G'hunn
Do you think one fight was tougher from a design/mechanics perspective? Where is the challenge derived?
normal parrot
A huge number of vanilla fights were just straight number checks
Actually all of them probably
The only real mechanics in cthun were spread for eye beam and dodge the big laser of doom
normal parrot
Viscidus is actually really unique
Thaddius was pretty unique for the tjme
I liked Ossiran and Buru's kiting mechanics
Fankriss got a bit wild too if you were kiting the adds around
autumn tiger
yah there's a lot of good fights in nilla
vael is really fun actually
the original guild killer Lol
worn maple
Twin Emps was rough
autumn tiger
warlock tank was pog
balmy horizon
Shit some of the trash was as hard as some bosses in AQ40 lol
autumn tiger
o God I forgot twin emps trashs gives me nightmares
the mechanics rly weren't hard but 1 dumb person out of 40 can wipe the whole raid in 3 seconds
cloud wren
Idk if this is allowed, delete if it's not, but Mute who made world of roguecraft has his movies up in a doc now, after years of them being muted to shit on YT. Check pinned comment on this vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1t0A1cqGcw
For shits n giggles
autumn tiger
👌
worn maple
@cloud wren Why were they muted?
normal parrot
Unlicensed audio
autumn tiger
fallow veldt
LOL
autumn tiger
vanilla wow worgen models 
normal parrot
Blame the furries
autumn tiger
tiny jungle
°-°
quick bear
tepid trout
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOAFpWVxZfU&feature=youtu.be&t=100 Wow Classic is TOXIC you guys
autumn tiger
wtf does classic have to do with gamergate???
lmao
i wonder why they deleted that vod 🤔
quick bear
cringe
normal parrot
the dude on the right looks like that guy from the show Silicon Valley
weary island
why do people be like this
novel grove
Because nice things aren’t meant to be had.
ebon grail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwLjJH8LXfc&list=PL49Ga_-r7iKkxrbckm9CkUhWzxqrOnw-n&index=2 ran over this recently
quick garden
autumn tiger
I'mma make one so I can get thunderfury tbh
crimson scarab
Lmao gl using joanas lvling guide, ive been to over 10 fresh vanilla servers and realm first 60 is never from any guides cause ppl using guide clogs the hubs
Its faster to grind mobs than quest
autumn tiger
Depends on the class, usually questing is faster. The record on pservers was a hunter who quested a lot
crimson scarab
Qyesting once he reached uncontested hubs *
nostalrius had 2 rogues and 1 hunter contending for realm first 60 on its launch
autumn tiger
o u mean if ur stuck in the zerg , ye grinding is good in that case
crimson scarab
ur always stuck in zerg, troll/orc is chaos
if u get first sarkoth tag you have 40% chance for realm first lol
autumn tiger
I been practing my 1-10, if u can play for 30 hours on launch it's pretty easy to get ahead of the zerg
crimson scarab
i mean, on nostalrius the zerg was thick untill lv 40
10 ppl same hub = nightmare
crimson scarab
Getting to xroads first and buying the spirit gear is super clutch aswell
autumn tiger
haha I didn't know about that tip, which gear is it?
I imagine saving ur gold would be better generally tbh
crimson scarab
Theres a cloth xhest with like 6 spirit and some other goodies
10 spirit vs 0 is huuuuuge while levling
Pure spirit gear beats any other for solo lvlin
autumn tiger
normal parrot
Can't wait to level my priest and slowly wand my way to level 20
autumn tiger
until 60 lmao wand is bis
there's a lot of rly good weps on 24 or 48 hour cooldown for low level rogue and warrior especially
normal parrot
Can you level as prot in vanilla
Didn't play warrior until wotlk where prot leveling was nice
autumn tiger
u can but it's not ideal
normal parrot
I'm usually hunter because leveling as BM is easymode
glossy portal
with vanilla demo coming out we will atleast know what kind of beast it is
i wouldnt be suprprised if its something totally different and fucked up, nothing as it was
but hope for the best
autumn tiger
🙏
worn maple
So Rare's been talking about getting some sort of Classic duel tourny going. What other stuff would you all think could be fun for the demo?
novel grove
Lol
fallow veldt
Hogger raid 
tepid trout
novel grove
If it’s just the chapel I think there would be a genuine riot.
simple oak
I think Classic will shock those that did not live in the days of having to eat/drink after pulls constantly... (And when I say pulls, I mean pulling quest related monsters)
lyric cradle
hunters buying ammo, warlocks needing bags of shards, almost all buffs requiring some reagent, etc
raven snow
Can't wait to stun lock noobs
autumn tiger
^
drowsy phoenix
how are DRs in classic?
autumn tiger
they exist
autumn tiger
thats a good question, we will have to see how blizz handles it in classic. IIRC they were introduced in patch 1.4
private servers all had to write their custom DR code as well
normal parrot
can't really do roguecraft, it's slightly nerfed in 1.12
rogues still super strong 1v1 tho
raven snow
1.12 still lets me stunlock bitches till dead lol
blissful locust
return of the ´´rogue with a lvl 1 dagger killing other people´´?
normal parrot
Rogues had so many viable specs in TBC
pearl basin
As opposed to live man smh, my class shit now dawg
fair carbon
tfw people complain about rogues being OP now
I just show them one of those old pvp videos and they just shut right up
autumn tiger
i never got to raid in TBC really 😦
i played warrior in arenas a lot, good times - but I'd love to see some of the raids beyond Kara
normal parrot
Rogues in TBC were probably the most powerful they ever were compared to the other classes
Maybe mages too, tbc frost mage was pretty wild
autumn tiger
druids were the most broken imo
raven snow
Fuuuck druids in tbc
Boom druids could stack healing gems and just lay into you while getting hot healed for 5k/second
It was dumb as shit
normal parrot
Oh yeah I remember that shit
They didn't have infinite mana back then though, you can get them with a drain team
Burn all their mana, get innervate, then burn it again before innervate is up
quartz tide
PoM Pyro mage? Disgusting
normal parrot
half the classes can one shot each other, especially if you're attacking people that aren't raid geared
aimed + multi shot crit from a hunter is almost always instant death on a non-plate wearer
or ambush crits on clothies
or seal of command + white crit
or priest putting SW:P on you
autumn tiger
🤔
novel grove
Shadow word pain was pain
eager quarry
Can't decide Mage or Priest for vanilla
lime arrow
Rogue. Duh.
normal parrot
rogue is annoying to play
enjoy being sub but without shadowdance
it was nice that backstab/ambush actually did damage back then instead of being fillers though
autumn tiger
rogue is super fun to play and incredibly strong
normal parrot
in pve?
dunno, though i don't really think any class is all that fun to play in vanilla raid environment
autumn tiger
I thot u said you didn't play vanilla
normal parrot
raided as hunter so you didn't even have to look at the screen on some bosses
me? i don't remember ever saying that
i played vanilla-mid tbc, some of wrath, then came back at the end of legion
autumn tiger
that's just wrong man, hunters have one of the hardest rotations in vanilla
normal parrot
yeah because it uses 3 buttons instead of 1
but it's a straight up 12 second rotation, which means you can just commit to muscle memory and not even have to look
autumn tiger
rotation depends on the weapon , you gotta micro manage your pet as well
did u get past MC?
normal parrot
yeah, all the way up to naxx
what micromanagement of your pet are you doing
on something like lucifron you just sit there and shoot him
autumn tiger
Dodge all the melee mechanics homey
normal parrot
no micro necessary
normal parrot
well yeah, it's not every boss
but there are plenty that you just sit there and shoot it for 6 minutes without moving
have to pay attention on rag for the phase changes and everything
but like golemagg after the hounds is just tank and spank
autumn tiger
after the hounds?
u don't kill the hounds
but yah MC barely has any mechanics everyone knows that
normal parrot
dunno, as a hunter vael was pretty uneventful too
his buff doesn't actually change your rotation at all, which kinda sucked
autumn tiger
dagger rogues op on vael
normal parrot
yeah literally everyone else gets huge buffs on that fight
infinite energy and rage
infinite mana
normal parrot
and need to tranq chrom
but hunter was probably the only class left out of the buffs
on the vael fight
normal parrot
huh i forgot hunters were actually there to kite things back in the day
i did the worms on fankriss
blissful gate
I was a mage through vanilla. Strange looking back. Must have thrown a billion frostbolts.
I think the main reason I would want to play rogue would be to get my hands on thunderfury.
novel oxide
loved hunter in bwl on first boss
desert flax
Can't wait to 'bush some grey in stranglethorn 
worn maple
STV arena 
marble dune
the only thing i remembered about vanilla/bc hunter is that they had a billion key binds
marble dune
i played warrior/dk/rog/hunter back then and hunter def had the most overall key binds
it was tediuos
normal parrot
You want auto, aimed, multi, sometimes serpent
autumn tiger
ye I miss having more than 8 abilities 😖
marble dune
5 different aspects
normal parrot
FD, and sometimes cheetah
marble dune
5 diff traps
marble dune
well, you would still need to keybind it regardless
autumn tiger
a good hunter uses a lot of abilities in dungeons
never use serpent sting in raids lol
normal parrot
Yeah shitty debuff
marble dune
pet commands/aspects/traps/+ actual dps stuff i remember running out of keybinds to use lol
autumn tiger
I wonder if we get 8 or 16 debuffs
marble dune
compared to warrior which was like 1/3 of the buttons
normal parrot
Warriors need their sword and board macro and defensive CDs
marble dune
so pretty often
normal parrot
Mana regen?
autumn tiger
not in vanilla
normal parrot
Viper wasn't tuntil BC
marble dune
well i did say vanilla/bc in my comment earlier
autumn tiger
use monkey if u get aggro 
normal parrot
Hunter in BC had the least buttons of any class
autumn tiger
and fd resisted
autumn tiger
compared to retail tho every class has so many abilities in vanilla
marble dune
but you def had the most
more abilities isnt always good tho, its just a clutter
some abilities can be combined
like that dazed shot thing, forgot what its called
normal parrot
You used more abilities, but your entire dps rotation could be mashed into a macro
And then you just had utilities otherwise
Dps rotations were still as boring back then as they are now though
autumn tiger
i disagree i think the increased abilities adds a lot to the game and class fantasy, you may not use them often but they are used
warlock has a ton of abilities
normal parrot
You have a ton of abilities now that you have to use in stuff like m+
Granted it's a bit less than in legion
But in terms of attacking a raid boss it's not all that different
autumn tiger
they started pruning class abilities in wrath or cata?
normal parrot
After cata I think?
They pruned talents in cata
Wraths massive talent trees went a little bit too far
autumn tiger
i never actually played wrath
missed out
but it introduced so many things i hate about the game
normal parrot
It's the expansion that introduced catchup raid mechanics
autumn tiger
LFD
normal parrot
Not only LFR but 5 mans dropping better gear than raids
autumn tiger
i actually hate transmog as well
normal parrot
Transmog was cata I think?
Since I still remember everyone running around in furious gladiator shit in wrath
lime arrow
@autumn tiger i agree cata is worst
autumn tiger
i no lifed cata hard
stayed up for 72hours for the first time ever
then i quit a few weeks after
lyric cradle
my guild fractured so hard that expac
went from 25 man, to two 10 mans to one 10 man
lime arrow
Cata literally broke the game
wotlk was peak imo
the changes in cata were too much at once
autumn tiger
ye most people say wotlk was peak
but i do think mop was a really good xpac looking back
lime arrow
tbf I really enjoyed legion more than most people
I feel like there was a lot of quality content added
m+, story was good, lots of hidden/extra things to do
autumn tiger
yah once the figured out legendaries a bit it was good
but i got screwed early rng legendary made me quit
blissful locust
they never figured put legendarys?
they where always a pain in the ass until you got lucky and got the right ones
lime arrow
eventually u just got them all
autumn tiger
they made them easy to get
blissful locust
the´´easy too get´´ was in the last 2 months lol
autumn tiger
i do think m+ is one of the best things added to the game ever
blissful locust
legendarys where a gigantic shitshow early in the expac
autumn tiger
all legendaries? lol
autumn tiger
i did as well
lime arrow
tov
autumn tiger
yah tov i had 2
lime arrow
lol
autumn tiger
and they nerfed outlaw so hard i was still salty about that cuz the AP grind was long at the start
lyric cradle
i didn't have much fun in legion, probably cause i got screwed with legendaries
but i really did enjoy mop outside of the rep dailies
felt like venturing into the unknown again vs enemies we didn't know
worn maple
I thought WoD was worse than Cata tbh. But class design was better
Don't forget
Cata gave us Archaeology
blissful locust
dont go against the circlejerk don
worn maple
which circlejerk tho
I see like
12
discord itself is just a massive circlejerk rly
blissful locust
people allready forgot wath made WoD shit and always say ´´it was not that bad tbh´´ now
blissful locust
everytime somone says that bfa is the next wod, im not sure if they remember that we had 0 content in wod at all
blissful locust
like, remove m+, remove wq, remove anything you can do in the world and no more patches after 8.1, that would be wod
novel grove
The timegates in wod annoyed me a lot.
Like “you can craft this but only with a resource gotten once every x hours from your garrison” with no farmable alternative.
I also hate the garrison mission things
worn maple
tbh I forgot about that because crafting profs have been in rough shape for so long
tbh
one thing I would like
about Classic, and/or TBC
is for crafting profs to be useful again
outside of alchemy/chanting
¯_(ツ)_/¯
novel grove
I like to be able to farm my ass off and get rewarded for it. Or be able to pay and use someone else’s cooldown (example arcanite transmute in vanilla).
blissful locust
yeha, people always say that crafting is in such a bad state
but it was never in a good spot lol
blacksmith/leathearworking was always ussules after raidtier 1 etc...nothing new
outside of classic/BC ofc
marble dune
the problem was back then, some professions (eng) were so good that it almost became mandatory
and those that werent those professions couldnt compete
novel grove
Been an engineer since forever lol
marble dune
engineer was mandatory for pvp back then
novel grove
Yep
marble dune
for the disorient grenades, rocket boots
enough people complained, now all professions are useless and only provide small perks
novel grove
In wotlk I loved having to work in sarnoite bombs
For pve
Although right now in BGs I find the sheep bomb to be hilarious
And the knockback tinker
No one seems to expect getting hit off of a tower by a rogue
blissful locust
engineering is live
free glider+nitro boost
everyone is herb+alchemie, wich means you can sell the engineering stuff really good when a warfront is comming etc....
autumn tiger
every single profession in vanilla is useful and you need at least one person in ur guild/raid to have them all
leatherwork make nature resist gear, onyxia cloak
normal parrot
no profession to make bows 😦
normal parrot
hunter and priest ones yeah
gotta make a priest just so i can run around in shadow form with anathema
you get arcanite reaper and dawn's edge from blacksmithing
normal parrot
can't wait for literally everyone to be running around with this shit
normal parrot
bonereaver is only off rag isn't it
everyone's got that oeb because it drops off like half the bosses in mc
normal parrot
that and unstoppable force is usually what most people end up with
took me 11 games of AV to get my ice barbed spear in vanilla
novel grove
Is the token system still around during the patch they’re using for classic or did they axe it at the end of vanilla?
I don’t remember when it changed
autumn tiger
token system?
novel grove
Yeah when you won a match of say wsg you got 3 wsg tokens. Losing awarded 1. https://www.wowhead.com/item=20558/warsong-gulch-mark-of-honor
Was it even vanilla when they were a thing? I don’t remember at all
autumn tiger
ye it's in classic
fathom gale
oooooey can't wait for honor among thieves sub rogue yaaaaaaaay
steel peak
What's best way for rogues to farm gold in classic?
autumn tiger
I liked mining rich thorium veins in the silithus hives
two rogues can duo tribute runs
novel grove
I used to use dampen magic as a mage and you would take 1-3 damage a hit from wind elementals
I don’t remember what they dropped though
In silithus
normal parrot
skinning + mining
you can goblin the AH in vanilla too, though dunno if there are proper addons for it
weary island
farming in tyr's hand for cloth, money drops, and boe epics as well
worn maple
shadow tapir
@novel grove essence of air
novel grove
Ah that sounds lame AF now lol
forest raft
novel oxide
lol
"so you can step back in time and experience these zones as they were originally designed. You’ll be able to search for Mankrik’s wife"
@blissful locust
warm oasis
So every raid, including Naxx will be out at launch?
novel grove
Naxx race gogo
onyx grove
Naxx trash farming race
warm oasis
Yea if all the raids are available at release get ready to see some naxx bosses killed early
plucky nymph
Depends on rep. grind/gold econ, we shall seeeeeeeeee
fair carbon
Hey guys, Naxx is out?
worn maple
I don't think it will be
tbh
that would really upset the feel/flow/balance
and all the have to do is just turn on the instance portal later on for later raids
autumn tiger
AQ and Naxx have huge events before they are released
it's gonna be progressive content 100%, just MC and Ony at the start
warm oasis
Well that's a relief, I feel like the content is already going to be blazed through, last thing they need is everything to be open. Was simc around in vanilla?
autumn tiger
No hahah I Wish. theorycrafting was very basic back in vanilla, it only truely started in tbc. The private servers use advanced spreadsheets for their theorycrasfting but I'm sure simc will eventually work for classic
warm oasis
Curious to see what weird spec/gear combos come out of simc in classic.
eager quarry
I don't think anything really.... just same old goodness!!
normal parrot
the only super complicated part of vanilla gearing is how hit and crit interact with the attack table
where if you build enough crit you can ignore hit entirely
weary island
there were def rudimentary spreadsheets in vanilla
its one of the reasons why cloth shoulders were BiS for holy pallies
raven snow
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
normal parrot
cloth shoulders were BiS because plate shoulders are for tanking
weary island
wat
plucky nymph
statsbruv
crimson scarab
Dont forget to get a spirit gear outfit!
tulip halo
Why do people choose undead rogue over orc rogue for classic pvp?
Fears aren’t as deadly as getting stunned right?
lime arrow
Iirc it didn't DR with trinket back then I could be wrong but wotf was meta
autumn tiger
@tulip halo orc is better against warrior, paladin, rogue - undead better against priest, warlock. I think Orc is better but it's a matter of preference kind of. Orc is better for pve tho. I think a lot of people choose undead for looks, but canabalism and wotf are nice active abilities where as the stun resist is rng
normal parrot
Because undead rogues are more MLG and have cooler animations
And you can BM people by eating their bodies
Also it might be leftover from how overpowered WotF was at launch
autumn tiger
cannibalize after ganking is the best bm ngl
pine valley
plucky nymph
autumn tiger
glacial lichen
@lime arrow ur correct it Didnt
normal parrot
lmao adrenaline rush 5 min cooldown
rogue lightning reflexes gives 5% dodge
but hunter lightning reflexes gives 15% agility
🤔
eager quarry
Eww hunter
weary island
expose armor hello
weary island
It's in the wowhead bot channel
proven nexus
its relevant to classic so i thought id post it xo
weary island
for sure
autumn tiger
demo soon
autumn tiger
someone tell me how it is i didnt get it 
spiral portal
Shared sub
latent tusk
wonder if the launch will be a classic classic launch 😄
hexed berry
it's majestic
fallow veldt
fallow veldt
autumn tiger
type /lfr
worn maple
hahahahaha what
warm oasis
Looks like they're either on the fence about it or haven't had the chance to take it out
fallow veldt
worn maple
Sorry, not trying to crap on it, but that's a really bad call
fallow veldt
there's no dungeons you can queue for
worn maple
Well not on the demo, no
warm oasis
Also has no corresponding button
autumn tiger
they just forgot to remove the command for it obv
plucky nymph
ezpz copy paste
autumn tiger
but its hilarious
worn maple
I thought they had to re-build classic tho
worn maple
plucky nymph
Much easier than rebuilding those databases.
bright matrix
fallow veldt
shaman is popping
worn maple
can't remember if you could frost shock tank in that patch
or if it had been broken by then
or rockbiter or w/e
autumn tiger
they can tank all the dungeons
plucky nymph
Yep
unreal spindle
It's legion client not bfa afaik
autumn tiger
they have good threat
weary island
its just a bug, calm your tits
plucky nymph
It's more than likely just a shortcut to use a nicer bit of UI before cutting it up for further use.
Better than using w/e fucking vanilla window they might have.
plucky nymph
Classic or not you can't have 100 people in once place with current hardware without the game becoming a mess.
autumn tiger
you can on the 1.12 client
weary island
that is an issue for sure. can also be blamed on the fact that they're probably running these on legion server architecture that hasn't been told that "this isn't legion"
autumn tiger
it does it based on party groups not even on the number of people around you
so yah hopefully its removed, i imagine thats prob the hardest thing to remove from the modern client
plucky nymph
Depends, I imagine this demo is pretty old stuff.
autumn tiger
"One of the tenets of Classic WoW is none of the cross-server realms and different [server] sharding options that we have available to us today. There’s a lot of desire on part of the community that this is something that they don’t want."
plucky nymph
and if there are serious compromises to make, it might not be worth it =\
Just make the game annoying so few people play it so there's less strain on the servers.
Done.
EZPZ.
warm oasis
Guarenteed the phasing is a demo thing, just like the increased health regen and crit hit
Also can anyone confirm that frontstabbing is not possible in the demo?
autumn tiger
rogue regen is wonky af https://youtu.be/oIyASNSgzs0
past arrow
i remember in BC i used an addon that let you know when your nrg ticks where so you could open before a regen tick
onyx grove
is rogue vs orc as messed up as I think?
autumn tiger
fallow veldt
yeah so
I could get maybe 3 SSs out before I was out of energy
could barely get one finisher off
before mob died
jade niche
sad
watched a couple streamers
only pallies warriors and druids
: (
any rogues playing classic demo rn?
fallow veldt
I just logged off a few mins ago
hexed berry
energy regen in the video seemed right.
drowsy phoenix
I dont like how CPs build on enemies instead of rogue player
fallow veldt
that's how it was forever
plucky nymph
Yeah and then you got the ability to TRANSFER CP WAOW
fallow veldt
I think it was around the same time hunters were able to use ranged abilities in melee
that pissed me off so much
plucky nymph
Deadzone might have been even earlier.
lime arrow
Late wotlk or cata I think was when it changed
But ya it was per enemy for a long time
And no aoe until fok came out
weary island
redirect was a big QoL and it was an extra button you had to press to apply cps to your next target
then when cps became attached to the player, WAOW
autumn tiger
drowsy phoenix
although attaching them to enemies could make for a nasty multi-target ST burst
weary island
or just gouge 🤔
eager quarry
Classic WoW best WoW
hexed berry
combo points on the enemy does actually make more sense, the idea is supposed to be that you're getting a series of attacks on them which allows you to do a more powerful attack against them.
twilit palm
items didnt have crit or haste or hit rating. they just had primary stats, attack power/healing power/magic power and some higher ilvl pieces then started having "increases your crit by 1%" or "increases your chance to hit by 1%". those stats were later (at the end of TBC with the WotLK prepatch) converted to the rating system we still have today, where for example 1% hit chance became 14 hit rating, to allow for a smoother item progression by allowing items that only had 10 rating, or 20
autumn tiger
we won't have it
twilit palm
😦
autumn tiger
it will be the 1%
twilit palm
what about other "dead" stats like magic power/healing power, mp5, spirit etc.=
so the "1crit rating" item is a fake? 😛
autumn tiger
it will be normal vanilla stats, they just forgot to remove them for the demo
latent tusk
hello friends
eager quarry
Yea
latent tusk
It's a legit question
latent tusk
Twitter
weary island
iTs a leGiT qUeSTiON
latent tusk
sharding ftw
twilit palm
if youre creating healthstones by using up soulshards as a warlock, youre sharding
autumn tiger
Really enjoyed the panel today, restored a lot of faith in the Classic project. Ion is doing good work here
ruby bridge
i hope there will be no transmog
rocky scaffold
LOL
weary island
There won't be transmog lol
plucky nymph
hexed berry
Welcome to the world of Warcraft.
drowsy phoenix
what's that? no leashes?
worn maple
Yeah this was before they added them
I remember in tbc kiting invincible terokk to Adal
For endless massive brawl in shattrath
hexed berry
when I play classic I'll have to recreate the 2 most memorable things I did in vanilla:
walking my level 20ish rogue to the dark portal (I died a lot), and swimming a level 1 undead all the way around EK.
I've always played the game wrong... I played it really wrong back then.
autumn tiger
that's how the game should be played, that's the beauty of Vanilla - you guide your own exploration and adventures, not some arbitrary achievements decided by people who don't even play the game themselves
they added leashing to world bosses in vanilla
weary island
not sure when it was fixed but you used to be able to drag a mob anywhere and everywhere as long as you did damage to it in a specific time frame
"leashing" only existed when the mob's focus target stopped doing damage to it, there wasn't an arbitrary range for every mob in the game no matter what was being done to it
its why you could kite kazzak to SW, dots, pet kiting etc
rares nowadays can't be kited more than a few hundred yards even with dots and spamming scorch :/
wraith parcel
Back in mop you could kite some of the rares from timeless Isle to shrine
You needed priests though to grip you up some walls
worn maple
@autumn tiger Yeah they didn't leash Terokk in TBC until much much later tho, because he was not techniaclly a "world boss", but he was invincible if you didn't click his totems etc
it basically took a GM intervention to stop "The Battle of Shattrath" whenever it occurred
sacred hawk
Was there respeccing in vanilla? I forget
I assume there would be because it sounds insane that you couldn't change something once you chose it
lime arrow
It wasn't free like it is now :(
eager quarry
You can still have it, called BfA 😝
hexed berry
maybe they'll bring back vanilla style spec changing, personally I'm a fan, the idea that I'm a pirate in the trash fights, and suddenly I'm a ninja when I get to a boss... doesn't even make sense.
signal ember
Yeah but do you really want to waste time going back to town to relearn spec for every pull?
plucky nymph
No but I will go back to town to spend all my money to learn spells.
Then go to bed, wake up, and wonder where all my money went.
latent tusk
money in classic lol