I understand
#assassination
balmy condor
its 30% of the NEW dot
so if you pandemic a garrote to say 22 seconds
and it reaches 5 seconds again
lean marten
the difference is only a few seconds, for simplicity you could just have it do 6s for rupture, 9s for snd. and air on refreshing later. unless u really want to math it out
balmy condor
you're still only applying an 18 second garrote
if you're already making a condition to track pandemic
might as well math it out properly
primal turret
Them its hard to track the exact pandemic time unless i refresh on the exact same time everytime
balmy condor
its like 3 minutes more work
what
no its not
its <30
so garrote is <5.4
you can refresh at 5, 2, 0.5
doesn't matter
you don't have to do EXACTLY 5.4
5.4 is just the maximum time you'll get
primal turret
That in the case of garrote but rupture and snd Will change everytime doesnt It?
lean marten
refreshing anywhere from 0-29% of remaining buff results in no dps losses
balmy condor
it changes based on cp
so like I said earlier
rupture at 4cp is 20 seconds
so pandemic would be anywhere from 0 - 6 seconds
a 5cp rupture is 24 seconds
so pandemic would be anywhere from 0 - 7.2
so you would make one condition that says if I have 4 cp, and rupture is <6 seconds, glow
lean marten
unless u can query the remaining duration of SnD right after u SnD it seems really hard to do. becuase you'd have to keep a running timer of the buff in your WA code which sounds ass. similiarly for rupt
balmy condor
and the other one would say if I have 5cp, and rupture is <7.2 seconds, glow
lean marten
ideally you query the SnD duration just after casting it, multiply that .3 done
balmy condor
the same way your garrote one is if garrote is <5.4 seconds, glow
primal turret
I understand that but the Next debuff duration Will depend on the remaining duration of the last one, so Will be hard to track the 30% of the new one
balmy condor
why would you need custom code for something you can just do in 2-3 conditions
no
it doesn
its the NEWLY APPLIED dot
primal turret
Ooooooh okey
balmy condor
primal turret
You did i missed that line😅
lean marten
yeah it doesn't compound. so its like whyspr said
18s garrote pandemics at <5.4s
and a 22s garrote pandemics at <5.4s
only variance is when u cast rupt/SnD at diff C.P.
primal turret
Thank you @lean marten
warm parcel
And if you wanna put that (rupture) straight into custom code its
4 + 4 * (amount of cp) * ,3
balmy condor
^ that's for rupture btw, snd will be 6 + 6*cp *0.3
warm parcel
Right
barren inlet
guys, what do you think about crimson tempest in pre patch?
balmy condor
CT is huge
barren inlet
better than poison bomb? i mean, it seems better in m+ at least
grand osprey
I prefer CT over PB just because its consistent damage which is also not just on a small floor pool. Sadly PB is not what it was in Legion but also think itll never be that great ever again for M+. But im very curious on the stat weights of Assassination i cant find much about weights, just priority.
grand osprey
true true i sim everything. but with diminishing returns im curious to how and when we will drop to the next stat to gain as much as poss.
Like will people stick to no more than 34% to lose less stats or go full out and prio 42% for the 20% loss?
balmy condor
the dr has little impact on your gearing decision
grand osprey
Im just asking because if i start going above 42% on the crit it become less valueble to stack crit correct?
balmy condor
yeah
grizzled jay
Like will people stick to no more than 34%
fallow otter
Dat magik numba
grand osprey
it was just a qutestion going from the DR blizz posted. I was just curious how and when your no1 stat becomes alot less in value over the others im sure many others have done way more research than myself
fleet whale
stats were quite simple to understand in Legion
Mastery king, crit and verse usually close for second
haste dead
prisma monolithBOT
Pre patch: Versatility > Critical Strike > Mastery > Haste
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
balmy condor
sims for rogue have always been fine
tacit mural
Sick
north pewter
alright I have a question. Opener Garrote > Rupture > Garrote because of subterfuge, obviously, but like in that opener do you come out of stealth and use mutilate to get up to 5 CP and then SnD or is SnD priority over any of that?
like bleeds first then SnD, yes?
I'm trying to figure out where it's priority is
north pewter
I am using 3x SS.
ok cool. I just wasnt sure if you wanted to build it up to 5 or do you just want to throw it on asap and get back in your rotation and then just refresh it at 5 when it's about to fall off?
balmy condor
just asap in the opener
otherwise 4-5
the 3cp rup/snd in the opener is enough to get you through it
and then from there you just piggyback the pandemic off of them
and you're rolling
north pewter
I started as combat, segued into outlaw when i came back about 2 years ago, and then decided to play a real spec
balmy condor
fallow otter
I love sin but outlaw the best spec atm for fun imo
fallow otter
Don't fight it bro
north pewter
I have so much fun as sin. Idc that "sub is da best meme loz"
fallow otter
Facts are facts
north pewter
outlaw is fun, but i enjoy the flow of sin so much more
plus i heard what they did to the dice.
rngesus just really sticking it to them
balmy condor
eyyyy shadowstrike on two gang
fleet whale
garrote is one for me too lool
fleet whale
for me it's garrote 1, Step 2, mut 3, env 4
balmy condor
you wanna hear something fucked though? rupture is on 4 in sin, and 3 in sub, and envenom is on e for sin, but 4 for sub
my muscle memory handles it quite well
royal lantern
Rupture on 4gang
fleet whale
rupture is e for me
royal lantern
Tbh,i put.same stuff always.on the same keys
balmy condor
I usually do as well
royal lantern
Like,interupt always e
fleet whale
interrupt is always f for me
balmy condor
but for some reason I can't play rupture on 4 in sub
royal lantern
Offensive cd always F2 etc....
fleet whale
and i like putting some type of mobility on 2
well i'll tell you something funny
for sin, rupture is e and snd is shift e
sub, it's reverse lol
royal lantern
I put snd on T for all specs
low girder
x is always my kick
fleet whale
x is vial for me
fleet whale
and i have a bunch of binds on my multi button mouse
fallow otter
You guys play wrong
@royal lantern you crazy, E is spam so it's mut, ss, sstrike
fallow otter
R is aoe
fallow otter
No
low girder
except as outlaw where it's gouge lul
fleet whale
there is no wowmeta list on keybinds... thank god
royal lantern
WE NEED WOWMETA KEYBINDS
low girder
lol
balmy condor
BiS keybinds when
royal lantern
somone screencap some random limit rogue next time we get a kil vid
fleet whale
unless you aren't doing dumb shit like actually trying to hit abilities on 8,9,0 on the keyboard
royal lantern
And show that as bis keybinds
royal lantern
6for me
fallow otter
Nope
royal lantern
But i have big hands sooooo
fallow otter
5 is cbf
royal lantern
6is still fine
fleet whale
i have average sized hands
fleet whale
if you have big hands, or you've just adapted to it
low girder
yeah i don't go past 5
but that's where snd is
idk if i like it there yet
even though we don't hit it that often
fleet whale
that's why i made it shift e for me
and i have stealth binded to z
vanish is mouse wheel click on all specs
royal lantern
Shift 3 stealth i/
fleet whale
it's funny since mop
i've added more and more abilities to my keybinds lol
so i've sort of "evolved" my game in a sense
royal lantern
My keybinds for all classes got more and more simmelar too my rogue binds
Like,mage invisiblity is also shift 3,ice block same key as cloak, barrier same key as feint etc.....
Helps when you allready have the musclememory for stuff
fleet whale
same lol
i just find it easier than finding some obscure ass bind for shroud
a button i barely press
royal lantern
Eh more like
Why bind it too a key
When the only time you use it is OUT OF COMBAT
fleet whale
cause it's on wowmeta.com's keybind meta
north pewter
that was my thought process
its not something im using as a reaction
so i dont need to gt to it quick
fleet whale
it's like when some people frown upon others using a pro controller to play smash instead of a GC controller
even though GC controllers are somewhat rare, and the pro controller is really good
north pewter
wavebirds or gtfo
north pewter
im wasd
fallow otter
vanish is mouse wheel click on all specs
@fleet whale same for both vanish and stealth lol
flat ocean
Who the hell has back peddle bound?
I use asd for movement
s being forward
And I swapped my tab and shift keybinds and I do recommend if you use a lot of high shift key binds like qwer 1234
low girder
Who the hell has back peddle bound?
tanks
strange python
I love backpeddling
it's super useful to not have to stop moving while dps'ing as the tank is quickly kiting something and the mobs ai is too much of a fucking dumbass to actually keep up instead of randomly moving in tiny left/right increments
fleet whale
i just keep s as backpedal since it would feel awkward af for me to have it bound as a button. And using asd as my movement keys would feel even more awkward
and yeah backpedaling isn't even that bad in certain pve situations mainly in M+. You def shouldn't backpedal in pvp though
low girder
in pvp yeah never, but in pve there are definite contexts where it's very useful
fleet whale
besides even with s bound to backpedal i move with my mouse 95% of the time lol
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
pure moth
!wa
royal lantern
Taking backpeddling from your keybinds off is such a stupid pseudo-wannabe-eliteplayer thing
That doesnt understand that you make your life 10x harder for cleave stuff+fuck your musclememory in other games with WASD controlls
+tanks need too do it all the time
vestal wren
there is no real benefit from doing so, it can even be bad
grim jay
I wonder what keybinds most people use that go beyond the number of mine. I actually have difficulties thinking of new ones apart from my usual
1-6
alt 1-6
Q E R T F G X C V B
and 4 mouse extra buttons
tbf I only need many binds bcs of pvp tho
vestal wren
i prefere using shift over alt
grim jay
guess thats preference as I find it easier to reach alt with my thumb, the number with my ringfinger and still move with the rest. guess that really depends on hand-size and keyboard-size/layout
subtle drift
Alt 4-6 is hand breaking lol
grim jay
alt 6 is the last key I can reach with my index finger before I need to go off W
😄
alt 5 and 6 is stuff I rarely use tho
so I dont mind it being a tiny bit uncomfortable for a sec
subtle drift
Those are mine
Numpad = Extra Mouse Buttons
ANd rarely used.
Except of Num 2 for Shadowstep (Thumb Mouse BUtton)
wooden gull
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
grizzled trail
Just click everything obviously
old thistle
not having back pedal bound ,for when you want to cripple yourself
pure mauve
i click shroud
golden echo
bright lintel
what are all these cluttered keybinds and 
bright lintel
since I am questioning your choices, it would only be fair for you guys to question my key binds
bright lintel
it's the symbol for all essences
balmy condor
Oh what
bright lintel
cause it's the only lvl 4 i have
warm canopy
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
balmy condor
Sorry @bright lintel yes DD is back
balmy condor
Having mouse buttons on the side maybe
dry atlas
id assume the M5 keys etc are his mouse binds
balmy condor
Ye idk
dry atlas
F keys feel iffy too
royal kernel
I use qefxc and mmo mouse basically
royal lantern
somone said keybinds?
balmy condor
Default ui out
royal lantern
but ye, default ui, but using weakauras for everything
balmy condor
My brain very small
balmy condor
True
celest igloo
I always use the default ui 🙂
verbal mantle
crimson birch
tawdry bramble
verbal mantle
20cm fingers I assume
balmy condor
No issues touching his toes
verbal mantle
balmy condor
Doesn’t even need to bend over
They just drag on the floor behind him when he walks
verbal mantle
next level play actually
tawdry bramble
is my mouse with num pad
tawdry bramble
subtle drift
:D
subtle drift
Where is Q and E
hollow cloak
strafe left q strafe right e
floral shoal
that's the way. if you move with a s d you have baby fingers ;-P
balmy condor
Wait strafe on q and e
What do you use a and d for
If you’re about to tell me you’re a keyboard turner
I’m out
balmy condor
Strafe is what it’s supposed to be
subtle drift
A and D
balmy condor
Turn is a BIG no
subtle drift
TUrn with mouse
balmy condor
I would be fine if strafe qe and keybound ad
That’s fine
But having keyboard turning bound
That’s actually just wrong
verbal mantle
thats what i meant
hollow cloak
@balmy condor a shuriken storm/fok, d shadowstep
floral shoal
It's just fingers for movement a row higher because longer fingers
balmy condor
I’d fat finger shadowstep all the time
hollow cloak
i just enjoy more qwe, because its easier to reach some different binds, for me ofc
verbal mantle
if you got the habit to play like this then fine but it feels clunky
delicate bone
i remember i had a keyboard turner in a pug once, and he couldnt get past the electricty field in workshop LOL
balmy condor
That doesn’t make it good
delicate bone
the whole group was just flaming this dude for a solid 5 minutes
bright lintel
Sadge
floral shoal
I'm not saying keyboard turning is good, just noting that there is a guy timing up to 21s in pugs and carrying 15s for weekly chests without a healer.
delicate bone
i mean, theyre 21s, its not like its super tough to do them at this point though. So yea, while its possible, its not a suggested way to play by any means
fleet whale
i mean the big brain play is to obviously have 7,8,9 bound to abilities
but use the num pad to press them
and i wonder if there is any wow player these days who uses the arrow keys to move
balmy condor
@dire spoke actually macros /cast and randomizes the icons when he clicks
Special hidden tech
dire spoke
fleet whale
just look at all those assassination rogue changes this build!
balmy condor
huge rogue changes
balmy condor
we get a single S
boreal raven
i play with both hands on the keyboard no mouse
bags have been full for 6 expansions
fleet whale
assassination is king again now in sl
energy is broke, so you can only auto attack and cast vendetta
balmy condor
hmnmmm
fleet whale
for rogue specs
low girder
oh, lol
low girder
huge dam
odd flax
how to sim for m+?
vestal wren
only way to sim somewhat reliable is dungeon slice, no other fight type allows re-stealth
balmy condor
yeah
vivid summit
I've only played sin in BFA, does the loss of the SS/EB change the playstyle much or is it the same and just less efficient in Shadowlands?
fleet whale
for aoe/m+ you'll still multi garrote and put up some ruptures, and spam fok
so playstyle wise it's still the same basically except with snd thrown in
vivid summit
Yea ok, thanks. I do enjoy the current m+ playstyle so that's good news
balmy condor
should be noted that the cp from ss isn't coming back
so it'll feel a little worse
but the general idea still exists
strange python
I kinda wish the ss cp effect was baked in
jovial forge
hi guys, im wondering what is your cap for haste during prepacth ? im around 15-20%
balmy condor
not sure what you mean by "cap"
are we talking how much in combat, out of combat
is it a question on diminishing stat returns
low girder
yeah idk what you mean by that. but either way you don't stack it in prepatch
low girder
you don't really aim for haste in prepatch
balmy condor
that still doesn't mean anything
low girder
it's not "bad" but it's not what you gem
balmy condor
whats a "minimum of energy regen"
low girder
also that
balmy condor
there is no minimum haste
low girder
M+ build had like 4-5% haste and it was still good, even with corruption
balmy condor
haste is worse than vers and crit
indigo thicket
@tropic sierra
royal lantern
i always have the feeling that people think haste gives you 2x the energy reg
when the regeneration itself is boosted by 1 for 10%, and bleed ticks dont make a huge difference
cobalt gyro
bleed ticks only matter at insane haste values where ur getting an extra tick
in terms of energy regen
fleet whale
haste procs and effects on trinkets help too
since they usually give you a lot of haste
i would also propose mutilates energy being reduced by 5 to make it cost 45. I don't think it's damage justifies such a high energy cost
balmy condor
just take venom rush 4head
frigid kestrel
Just read the patch notes while taking a break at work...... Sin got some huge fucking changes this time around. Always good to see .
frigid kestrel
Better the nothing, ye
I still stand by my philosophy, if your not top 100 and play your class well nothing matters. However I just want to see a lil more
fallow otter
Top 100 what
dry atlas
World top 100 guilds he means I guess
lucid oak
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fallow otter
giga changes
@balmy condor where are they, am I blind
fallow otter
Rippers
bright lintel
I missed the s tho, glad it got added, you guys are just insatiable
normal olive
shrewd night
@balmy condor pls
I just read the notes
what happens if you NS echoing reprimand rupture
balmy condor
it functions like a 7cp ns rupture
balmy condor
not to my knowledge
but I don't have beta
so
if they changed it, its undocumented
balmy condor
ye
except it won't
cause tick damage is consistent across CP
so you're just making like a 50 sec rupture
gg
shrewd night
I mean
balmy condor
you can exsang it to a 25 second I guess
shrewd night
low girder
Need 34% crit
shrewd night
Talking about it here sounds like herecy
But can you even start to imagine
a 20cp evisc?
low girder
Lmao
balmy condor
a CT that I don't need to refresh in 3 globals? sign me up
shrewd night
What they change sepsis to again. Free use of vanish, or free use of stealth ability?
balmy condor
its a well designed spell tbh
just like the ticks are buffed, but not the ending pop
or some shit
I cba learning the nuanced of a broken beta honestly
balmy condor
something something whitelist something something
low girder
Blindside is cool
balmy condor
its just everything around it that isn't
balmy condor
didn't realize it was 2008
shrewd night
We'd be 2600 if I went resto
ember rover
I dont want to brag but... when essences came out bought some coke and got 50k honor in 2 days
Patch released Wednesday, on Friday I had BotE
shrewd night
Imagine not doing the brawl and quadrupling that amount in the same timeframe
balmy condor
ember rover
No brawl when patch released 😦
shrewd night
Big brains waited
low girder
I avoided it until I had to for zaqul
balmy condor
better than grinding pvp
ember rover
Why work smart when you can work hard?
balmy condor
I'd rather sit in a brawl for like 12 hours
than smash my face into bg's for like a week
balmy condor
gotta have my barf bag next to me whenever I queue into pvp
low girder
I'd much rather do bgs than arena, and even bgs took me until I needed it
ember rover
Didnt you say you were 2.6k?
low girder
Cns I just made without
balmy condor
I literally only hit 1500 for cns
ember rover
What rogue spec is that? 
balmy condor
Mata ->
low girder
Rip
grizzled jay
that's what he gets for imitating the best Support player
low girder
i've had my name long before he was a thing, just not this shortened version
drifting light
I see a preheat x preheet situation here
gentle locust
does Exsanguinate speed up bleeds on all targets, or just one target ?
subtle drift
Just your target.
gentle locust
ah.. that's weak
subtle drift
Doesn't work without a target
gentle locust
thanks
jolly comet
NOV 23rd release date 
grim jay
wish they would release their stuff on fridays
marble ruin
Slice and dice breaking stealth when spec'd into subterfuge and elaborate planning.. This is a bug right?
jolly comet
bro we cant have you preparing to do elite levels of damage with an attack speed buff from stealth
its just too much
warm canopy
Yeah I remember SND not breaking stealth back in the day unless I'm totally wrong
fleet whale
this issue is fixed btw in beta
i was using snd in stealth in the recent beta build, and it doesn't break it anymore
minor thicket
So now that SL is announced do you think the tuning for rogues is done before patch?
SIN being the lowest ranked spec I didn’t think that would happen.
crimson palm
there will be class tuning after hc week
they're balancing within the specs themselves atm
placid dawn
the class tuning after hc week is usually garbage, I have lost all hope on that
fleet whale
find a weird interaction for assassination, like the FoK build in antorus
and that will cause blizz to buff the spec lol
vestal wren
do you think the tuning for rogues is done before patch?
no
but i don't expect huge changes
minor thicket
So the meta will end up being subltey this expansion likely?
fleet whale
maybe
delicate bone
noone knows
fast nacelle
funnily enough i think outlaw is better for the last 2
delicate bone
sub was meta at the start of bfa ;D
vestal wren
So the meta will end up being subltey this expansion likely?
no
picking a spec from beta balance was always the best way to shoot yourself in the foot
minor thicket
What are your thoughts @vestal wren
minor thicket
Gotcha
vestal wren
assassination is currently undertuned, but it won't stay undertuned
and with decent tuning you will probably have use for all 3 specs
fast nacelle
i still have no idea whats the average dps they aim for
vestal wren
i feel subtlety/outlaw are in a good position
fast nacelle
is it on assa level and ol/sub just too high?
is it on ol/sub level and assa just way too low
is it above rogue level
i still see hunter and mage and think ok wtf is going on
vestal wren
i don't think they want to go as high as some caster specs
fast nacelle
especially in cleave/aoe
vestal wren
but that's pure speculation, they will just aura adjust specs before release
fast nacelle
i hope they buff some stuff for assa
dmg breakdown seems weird but thats maybe due to nature of start of expansion
vestal wren
agree, best case is to have all 3 specs competitive
assassination does not need to be #1 in dps sim to become the default pick for raids
whole cypress
the raid looks more cleave than st
strange python
I honestly don't understand how some sin rogues are whooping my ass so bad on warcraftlogs
Top guy has 200 more all star points I don't know howwwwwwww I'm pumping my heart out
willow vine
U just gotta press ur buttons harder than them
strange python
Im pushing them so hard
marble ruin
@fleet whale the issue is certainly not fixed in beta, it only happens if you are spec'd into subterfuge and elaborate planning, everyone needs to report this bug, it's super annoying
vital haven
@strange python go to the top logs
look at their gear setup
watch the replays
look at the cast timelines
all of these things will give you a better understanding of what they are doing
strange python
I'm like #14 overall though I feel like it's probably kinda similar
For some reason I'm having a hard time getting compare to work, every time I select myself in the report after they are selected it just shits out
Maybe it's my browser idk
fallen marlin
Hey guys, new aspiring rogue and haven't been able to follow anything recently. Which spec will be highest DPS for M+? Won't raid at all, just M+.
balmy condor
outlaw or sub
fleet whale
wow you have a pink name now
grim jay
somehow fits you tho
balmy condor
crimson palm
Hi new rogue here, what is best covenant for rogue
strange python
kek
fleet whale
the one that deals the most damage
nimble tartan
i miss kingsbane
strange python
I miss Legion PB
nimble tartan
i miss smokebomb
grim jay
I miss the hard hitting envenoms
nimble tartan
tb at 5
strange python
"PB! TANK DON'T MOVE THE MOBS!"
nimble tartan
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Pre patch: Versatility > Critical Strike > Mastery > Haste
**Shadowlands: ** Haste > Versatility => Critical Strike => Mastery
crisp sluice
Dumb question
I missed getting the ghostblades in mage tower. Impossible to get now right>?
balmy condor
yes
forest vigil
there never will be that one tho 😦
forest vigil
fair 😦
fleet whale
lol i still either use Shard of Azzinoth or the Nightblade as my main trasnmog daggers depending on what set i wear
some of the new SL daggers do look quite nice though
strange python
yeah there's nothing like the ghostblades sadly, if it makes you feel better though I missed the CM WoD daggers which triggers me still
about the closest you can get is picking a skin you like and using the ethereal enchant
shadow tulip
Or the void enchant?
strange python
the void doesn't make them transparent or anything ghostly is all, they stay very solid and defined
shadow tulip
uh huh, allright
strange python
kinda a disappointing enchant imo
shadow tulip
Got berserking on my fangs
strange python
looks really good with some mogs though
strange python
I hate that I missed out on those, but WoD just didn't do it for me - I wish CM gear would come up on the BMAH tbh but ah well
Better leave this for a different channel
shadow tulip
Well, I can see where you're coming from
WoD was a disaster
Leveling very solid, raids are kinda good, CM fine, but it still felt soooo empty
strange python
hurt for me since I actually managed to get the mistwalker title in MoP on a fat server
but even if I had done CMs back then in WoD it probably wouldn't have been on my rogue so -shrug-
shadow tulip
Doesn't matter
Later on they made so that you got all weapons in an Ensamble if I remember correctly
strange python
Well... oof
I completely quit the xpac shortly before tanaan came out after I had some disagreements with a raid lead back then, came back to the game in legion and landed on rogue, never looked back
strange python
DS was the only xpac I completely missed, so fkn burned out after LK back in the day. I did manage to go back and get the fangs even though I never saw them in action at the time.
strange python
wasn't it all about daggerombat back then though? Or did we sin with the fangs?
I played hunter when I did the MoP CMs - Not too bothered since I'm more about the pirate mogs than the ninja mogs
shadow tulip
I feel pretty embarrassed that I put in 630 days played in the character since DS
strange python
simpin for that world of roguecraft
strange python
I was going to make a rogue related joke but saying "in real life" at the end of that sentence didn't feel very social media friendly
fleet whale
i have all the mage tower rogue skins... but tbh i'm actually not a huge fan of the ghostblades lol
idk why... can't put my finger quite on it
dry atlas
Too small and subtle, non solid blade doesn't feel right
marble bramble
missing out on the MT skins for rogue is a massive regret :(
i only got them on "the classes i played" in legion ... i play none of those classes now
pure hornet
Hey Guys... checking raider IO and i see top rogues going full Crit/Versa on gear. but when i sim (8 x Patchwerk - 1 Min) i get crit behind mastery and versa.. should i adjust my sim? ignore it and go crit? or just follow what it says?
this is for M+
signal kayak
Everyone stats will be different based on how they sim. Also you could tell us what your main avenue of play will be as the stat weights will also be different. Not sure what you're looking at on Raider IO but m+ will be crit/versa without a doubt. You could also check the pins and see that M+ general stat weights are crit/versa > everything else. Simming patchwerk for M+ isnt going to give you your best answer either.
regal cloud
Hey for sim m+ I usually use raidbot + like 1.5m to 2m fight on 4 to 5 target is Dat a bit accurate?
Or is there a more accurate way?
pure hornet
Thanks i just figured Patchwerk x 8 for 1 min would be a good sim for M+ pulls.
regal cloud
N'a
Don't put 8 target too high
I mean idk what key lvl you do but 1m look very short to me
Especially à 8 target pull
pure hornet
what would be the ideal parameters to set for M+? Dungeon slice doesnt seem to be accurate
i mean i could set it at 5x Patchwerk and 2-3 mins
pure hornet
@signal kayak i play M+ mainly these days. not very high keys i do 18-20 keys.
@regal cloud so i should make it 2 mins for 5 patchwerk i guess
pure hornet
also in the pins i see we should go Poison Bomb. from raider IO and my own experience i found CT do outperform PB
signal kayak
yea run CT.
minor thicket
is it normal on ST right now for prepatch that SIN is doing better than subltey?
changed havent happened yet right?
balmy condor
Pins say CT, not sure where you’re seeing PB for m+
M+ is only crit Vers if you’re running eb
If you’re not running eb, crit mastery would be better
Dungeon slice is accurate, but if you really really really want to sim Aoe, you would do 1 min 5-6 target
Also @minor thicket sub is ahead single target in prepatch, not sure what changes you’re referring to
minor thicket
hmm I seem to be doing alot more ST in SIN than Subtlety
changes I meant more so the tuning they are doing
balmy condor
You’re probably doing more in sin because of downtime or playing sub wrong
I didn’t have a dedicated gear set for sub and it still sims like 500 higher
And if you look at all the bigger single target fights, sub rogues are dunking on sin like 80% of the time
minor thicket
I am new to learning Sub but legit following everything on the wowhead rotation stuff and IV
mind if i send you my SIM for Sub? any chance you can run what you see?
balmy condor
Sure
balmy condor
and I get that for your sin @minor thicket
(although I didn't go too hard on the sin)
balmy condor
yup yup
minor thicket
haha
balmy condor
raid in december
so imo
that's the real release
cause they'll tune from heroic week
and m+ doesn't exist until then either
quest content isn't really anything to write home about
minor thicket
thats very true, i gues no point in doing a 15 minimum before Slands right?
like on Nov 22
balmy condor
won't give you anything
onyx crane
@balmy condor I like questing/leveling the first 2 maybe 3 times.
balmy condor
Sure, but it doesn’t have any bearing on balancing
Specs can be omega unbalanced during leveling and no one will bat an eye
So in terms of actual balance and what spec ends up being better
Questing is completely irrelevant
The actual expansion starts in December
onyx crane
I suppose in that regards the meat and potatos get served then
deft patio
so iam having a hard time choosing covenant for assasin rogue, what do you guys think will be best for singel target?
deft patio
i dont like kyrian tbh, i was hoping for night fae but maybe its not good anymore after the change?
pliant apex
hehe i hope kyrian stays no 1 for SL
i like, the art style, aesthetic, mount and pet
the pet so cute
white goat
balmy condor
night fae is okay
pliant apex
i mean worse case, itll get to no 2
night fae aesthetic, too fairy sprinkled pixel dust for me tbh
nice mount tho
hey can you get the mount on another alt and use on mian
or covenant mounts tied to the toon?
deft patio
ive always loved forest and the elf feeling, thats why i love night faes, sorry i got no clue how the system works for mounts
pliant apex
ahh hmm, well zuzz, kyrian isnt that bad, wait till you see
and night fae should be solid too im sure
its the venthir, necro, ugly bloated yucky aesthetic i dont like eww
necro armor is an arm hanging out from shoulders, not cozy AT ALL
kyrian is all pastel and relaxing, night fae too
deft patio
yeah the best looking is nightfae and then kyrian
deft patio
i havent seen it
grim jay
@pliant apex I guarantee you you wont be using any of the mogs for a long time anyways
dry atlas
Every time you fall into water
royal lantern
river/ocean water is not clean
fleet whale
i mean i play a nelf
tulip canopy
Heey all
I'm new to the as a assa rogue I have a hard time witch rotation to follow anybody has tome tips for guide video?
fleet whale
they smell like trees
24/7
and i imagine whenever a healer heals us
we are also getting cleaned up
balmy condor
@tulip canopy have you read the guides?
tulip canopy
@balmy condor I have but can't find something about rotation(sorry if I have missed something or that it's not allowed to ask here)
tulip canopy
@balmy condor thank you!
balmy condor
np
paper hatch
So is it better to use Vendetta after I have slice and dice and rupture on the target so I can utilize the energy gain from it and have faster attack speed with the damage boost?
balmy condor
You want all your damage up before you vendetta yes
That’s why every opener listed puts up garrote rupture and slice before using vendetta
I’m not sure about the “utilize energy gain from it and have faster attack speed with the damage boost” part of your question
Little confusing
But you want to do the most damage in your vendetta window, and having all your dot/buffs going is usually the way to go about that
Plumage is strong in part because it lines up with vendetta
Same with Galecallers in 8.3 omega buffing your exsang garrotes and lining up with vendetta
jagged axle
Venthyr lookin bad still
chilly marsh
i wish we had some passive to give SnD on openings "after leaving stealth gains snd for 10 seconds" would making openings feel way more comfortable
fleet whale
so you want premed for sin
balmy condor
dunno, kinda hard disagree with that
for the same reason wod snd was mad stupid
having an ability just for it to be auto-cast is bad design imo
but I also don't think the openers are uncomfortable to begin with
chilly marsh
yea for others spec is not really a problem but for sin...
chilly marsh
we already need to sustain garrote rup
balmy condor
sin opener is already way easier than sub
so your problem is that you need to sustain snd on top of garrote rup
and not that the opener is uncomfortable
chilly marsh
not telling its hard but i fell kind of bad wasting opening only putting buffs up while sub is doing tons of damage
balmy condor
that's sin at its core though
grim jay
its a dot spec
balmy condor
sub SHOULD be doing tons of damage
that's all it has
sin bursting harder than sub is called 8.3 exsang with 250% haste
and don't get me wrong, that playstyle should be viable
chilly marsh
yea i knwo i lvoe sin spec just dont liek the extra snd
grim jay
as good as it felt when we played with big envenom hits, sin should be mainly about their dots and snd actually plays into that dot/poison/bleed stuff
so I think its fine
balmy condor
but burst shouldn't be the identity of sin
grim jay
fantasy-wise it should. burst damage with posion/bleeds to finish the job. that would be what it should be like by the name tho
but ye
chilly marsh
maybe i'm being picky but don't know just likes older opening more i guess
bright lintel
The essence of sin is 40 apm. Everything more or less is heresy
balmy condor
The real dick measuring contest in this channel
Is how low the apm can go before you can’t handle the spec anymore
Chads will play sin at 40apm
But can you do 30
balmy condor
Crit corruption on st is >40
You’ve been un-chad-ified mata
Go take your blue name and leave
balmy condor
Getting 4cp every mut speeds it up a decent amount
silent fossil
i mean personally i’d play a spec at 10apm if it pumped. almost zero chance for mechanical failure surrounding dps and boss mechanics 
balmy condor
But would you play sin at 10apm over any other spec in the game that does equal damage
silent fossil
if it was something as exciting as putting up some omega bleeds and poison dots samurai style from ff14 sure why not
balmy condor
Luna uber-chad
silent fossil
raiding with a million haste is starting to become difficult for my gradually growing boomer brain
have a hard time finding the right number for my spell batch queue
fleet whale
vanilla enhance shammy is like 16 apm lol
paper relic
sorry for the bad quality: https://imgur.com/a/DjAiM9w is this a shadowlands thing? I can cast cheapshot and ambush out of stealth, without subterfuge. It's def not lag either because the ambush damage is adding up on details..
paper relic
Reloading and restarting doesn't fix it, guess I'm stuck like this
I just faction changed, probably has something to do with it
balmy condor
might be
maybe you logged out in stealth or something and then faction changed
and the game still thinks your stealthed
dunno
🍝 code
paper relic
Yeah no idea. I want to fix it but at the same time I don't
inland lintel
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inland lintel
Hey do you guys use a macro for vanish+garrote instant cast
balmy condor
No
Depending on talent choice, you don’t vanish into a garrote
So that macro is sketchy
grizzled jay
I do not because there are times you may not immediately open after Vanishing, so the macro removes uses
balmy condor
That too
paper relic
Ok so dying fixed my character, no more ambush spam 😦
low girder
I wonder if that's at all related to the sepsis thing that cheap shot doesn't consume it
Prolly not
paper relic
I could cheapshot / sap / ambush out of staelth
balmy condor
sounds like sepsis
paper relic
What's that
balmy condor
its a covenant ability
paper relic
Oh I see.
fallen flicker
Ah sorry
balmy condor
happens fairly often XD
dark crag
Can you shadowstrike?
spare pumice
Its been like 2years since i played it
spare pumice
OOhh
spare pumice
True
sharp mauve
Btw i heard compendium of storms (caster trinket) is really good now even for us
Is it try?
civic hatch
slice and dice used from stealth breaks stealth atm, bug?
civic hatch
fkn annoying
balmy condor
in sin
civic hatch
omg
austere grove
if im taking CT in m+ now? do i still try and rupture targets too? or just spam knives into CT?
austere grove
okay thanks
halcyon grail
Dontcha wish CT gave energy back too?
shadow tulip
That would be awesome!
sand otter
i would like to thank the sin masters of this channel, and a particular shoutout to @balmy condor for showing me the errors in my rotation, and helping me become better
umbral rapids
sand otter
seriously all the help, especially reading logs because im still learning to comb through them.
a month ago maybe more i was under a 35 for most fights
the pre patch has helped a ton, because the rotation feels so close to Lich king, and it just feels right.
i truly hope going into SL, while not a mythic raider, i can try to be as best as i can
fading wigeon
Great attitude narokuu
marble ruin
@civic hatch make sure you report it has to be a bug because its only the combo of EP and Subterfuge that breaks it. You can use any other combo and it doesn't break stealth. Hopefully if more people report it it'll be fixed.
bright path
!guide