#assassination

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balmy condor
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optimizing prepatch weirdchamp

fleet whale
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shiv deals less damage than poison knife

proven moth
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WA aren't updated right?

balmy condor
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wa's have a 9.0 update

marble hemlock
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i think its more in reference to whether some of the WA compilations already have been updated to include stuff like slice and dice tracker now etc.

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best bet would be to check the last updated date for each of them

balmy condor
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ye

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the ones in the command aren't updated

marble hemlock
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dunno if @civic palm has updates his

proven moth
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I mean, the WA linked by moroes haha they aren't updated right?

balmy condor
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no

proven moth
civic palm
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I won't be updating anything until ~2 weeks after SL launch.

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There's gonna be like 200 WA updates by then I've no interest in messing with that.

marble hemlock
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makes sense

low girder
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the real optimization in prepatch is the new character customization

civic palm
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👆 make sure to look good.

marble hemlock
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Assa essentially plays the same, just without using TB and maintaining SnD

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For Sub its just changing the Nightblade trigger to rupture, and then add SnD

civic palm
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Yep.

marble hemlock
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Same applies to RtB

civic palm
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The only things I am changing are likely things that break from WA updates, as well as implementing COVs. cleanly.

marble hemlock
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So for the most part the old WAs work just fine, just get an extra WA for Slice and Dice and you should be set up

civic palm
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I think my Retail WAs have SnD in them but turned off > _> don't recall.

low girder
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mine still work, for the most part. i'm still going to take the opportunity to wipe everything and start over

marble hemlock
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ill just copy the stuff i adjusted for slands beta 😄

low girder
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beta pepehands

balmy condor
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beta is for betas

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its in the name

hollow bridge
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im not a fan of shiv change empowering in SL when we had it for the whole of BFA. Im not a fan of SnD at all. Also I want blizz to change sin energy regen away from bleed ticks to something more static, oh well 🙂

balmy condor
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I actually thing bleed ticks for energy is super characteristic

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and pretty interesting

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its just that the baseline is a little slow

marble hemlock
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yeah

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i still remember legion assa being much faster and while it played nicely on singletarget, it ultimately made it very difficult to scale the spec for aoe. with a slow baseline regen but the added benefit of more energy through multidotting on aoe, you actually scale into aoe fairly well without needing super high base-dmg on the aoe abilities

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there shoudl be a redesign at some point though, cause i feel that the bleeds essentially just functioning as an energy mechanism and not dealing meaningful damage by themselves is kinda boring

fleet whale
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i think blizz is too scared to overhaul sin

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like they really like the foundation of the spec, and don't want to screw with it

balmy condor
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they don't need to overhaul it

marble hemlock
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doesnt have to be a proper redesign

balmy condor
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just tweak some energy problems

marble hemlock
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just, you know, give us some temp-power that affects bleeds

balmy condor
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and redesign talents

marble hemlock
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talent choices that are similar to the sub ones, in that you either get more dmg on your abilities, or higher energy regen from them

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i.e. smth like ttk vs dashing scoundrel in talent form

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as in, one talent row that just adds functionality to envenom

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so one option for harder hitting envenoms for more burst, esp with shiv rank2, or one that just icnreases sustained dmg by increasing duration, or just one that gives energy for more damage while envenom is up, smth like that

civic palm
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Bleeds should just have more impact on SIN.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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We've had plenty of tier bonuses that function as such, but none of them have stuck.

balmy condor
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I personally want to see the rows have a exsang/tb choice

civic palm
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Other than getting a +3 on VR.

balmy condor
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so you can pick between poison/bleed/whatever

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on the row

civic palm
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Mmm, I am not sure that I trust Blizzard to make a poison and bleed "build" work.

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Rather them just hone in on the ST vs. AoE concepts.

limber kite
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yoy

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how is sin in raid?

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dog sht?

balmy condor
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behind sub

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but fine

limber kite
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crimson still a thing?

balmy condor
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definitely not

limber kite
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which build back to toxic?

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and master ass?

balmy condor
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subt

limber kite
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oo kk

ionic vault
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whats the rotation now?

north pewter
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do i drop exsanguinate and CT without all the haste from corruption

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and go back to the pre-mega haste rotation?

low girder
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drop exsang for alacrity, CT for poison bomb

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and yeah back to pre-8.3 but with SND instead of TB

balmy condor
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just do what you did before

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but without shiv

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and with snd

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take alacrity, take pb

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maintain snd

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don't cast shiv

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that's it

north pewter
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ezpz

balmy condor
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if you're gonna omega optimize

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reroll your ss stuff to dd/np/hod stuff

minor thicket
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What do you mean omega optimize

balmy condor
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trying to min-max for prepatch

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like a pepega

minor thicket
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Ah

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You playing SS or DD

low girder
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SS is probably fine in nya

balmy condor
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I'm gonna play SS

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cause I also do keys

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and can't be asked switching my gear or making a second set just for raid

ionic vault
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what is SS and DD?

balmy condor
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shrouded suff

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double dose

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azerite traits

ionic vault
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oh im 3 stacks SS

balmy condor
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that's fine

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just keep that

minor thicket
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It’s just pre patch

polar cape
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!wa

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balmy condor
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wa's aren't updated

civic palm
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Don't ask me for shit!!

balmy condor
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@civic palm got shit?

hazy iron
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whats the idea behind not casting shiv?

balmy condor
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shiv doesn't have r2

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therefore no tb effect

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therefore garbage

civic palm
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@balmy condor No angery

hazy iron
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Oh fair

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I have to put it in my old TB / exang spot purely out of muscle memory

ionic vault
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shiv rank2 only available at lvl 58

balmy condor
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56

north pewter
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that's what im doing. using the old exsang keybind for it

ionic vault
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whispyr shiv rank2 is 58

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snd is 56

balmy condor
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you guys don't have your snd keybind from wod?

north pewter
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lmao

ionic vault
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i have my snd keybind from wotlk

balmy condor
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oh I got the levels mixed up

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thank you

fleet whale
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SnD rank 2 still doesn't work lol

balmy condor
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yikes

low girder
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improved poisons r2 still broken too afaik

balmy condor
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ye

civic palm
hazy iron
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I can;t even remmeber my old SnD keybind, I think it was shift E

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it;s f now, because no more cape

balmy condor
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disappointing that shadowlands isn't as meme-able as beta for azeroth

low girder
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i just put it where CT was

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i'll put CT somewhere else

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now i'm agonizing over sub binds D:

strange python
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systemlands is pretty memeable

hazy iron
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lmao

bold ice
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how's the prepatch going boys?

balmy condor
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servers ded

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as expected

grizzled jay
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i just made SnD Shift-G for all my specs

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tokens are at 163k

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hoping they climb to 200k

low girder
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i've been in for a while

balmy condor
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wow you must be so cool

low girder
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lol

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just saying not every server is dead!

balmy condor
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alliance bias

low girder
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i'm horde though

balmy condor
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well

marble hemlock
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whats the server name? maybe its an alliance city or character

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:p

low girder
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zul'jin

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lol

marble hemlock
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unlucky

balmy condor
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zul'jin alliance confirmed

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well

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a52 is still fucked

low girder
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rip

bold ice
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how is assass looking?

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same as usual?

balmy condor
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worse than sub

safe nacelle
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😦

marble hemlock
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decent enough by the look of it

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but sub definitely has the edge atm

bold ice
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sub pretty hard to play tho right?

balmy condor
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yeh

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it'll be fine

bold ice
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or play optimally?

low girder
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not really

balmy condor
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sub isn't that bad

marble hemlock
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we dont really know how well the raid-tuning is so far, chances are youll still be more than fine playing assa in raid tho

bold ice
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im still undecided on class and spec lol

marble hemlock
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sub has gotten quite a lot easier with some of the changes, and more forgiving rotationally speaking

bold ice
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it's between hunter, rogue, and small chance of lock but i doubt that

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surv hunter if hunter

marble hemlock
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more complex than assa for sure tho

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do you have a guild that doesnt mind you playing sv?

bold ice
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yeah

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we aren't hardcore

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normal and heroic raids only

balmy condor
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whatever you find most fun then :)

bold ice
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i like pretty much all rogue specs...and i like BM and surv for hunter but BM gets boring fast

hazy iron
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I read that HoD is no longer a decent trait, but it sims well. Any opinions on that matter?

balmy condor
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its okay

marble hemlock
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i think SV has mostly been very playable and pretty decent, but it always comes down to whether your guild has a spot for it

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rogue is always solid in most types of content due to the toolkit we have, so as a rogue you never have to worry about not being viable or sitting at the bottom of the meters

hazy iron
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I'll just have to hit a dummy and see what happens lol

balmy condor
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probably won't notice a difference

minor thicket
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I don’t want to learn to play sub lol

hazy iron
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it's not overly hard once you've got it's tempo down, IMO

marble hemlock
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its not that difficult. might seem daunting at first because people still picture it as this massively complex and unforgiving spec, but its really not anymore

bold ice
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@marble hemlock exactly. i'm leaning rogue just because of that

minor thicket
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Is sub going to be the go to for slands

balmy condor
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as of now, yes

minor thicket
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For raid or everything

hazy iron
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it honestly won't matter unless you're pushing top progression, they're all good for a general player

balmy condor
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for everything

minor thicket
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Damn lol

balmy condor
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but sin is so far behind

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they'd be trolling if they didn't tune it

marble hemlock
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no one knows yet whats best/the go-to for shadowlands

hazy iron
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I'm old, man. I like the slow play style of mut.

marble hemlock
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we still dont have a release date, plenty of tuning is being done every week, so things could change at any point

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@minor thicket

fleet whale
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envenom deals more damage on my level 50 on live

minor thicket
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Ok cool

fleet whale
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compared to my level 59 on beta lol

hazy iron
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lol

marble hemlock
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kidna normal cuz mastery is a thing :p

civic palm
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wut R stats?

white igloo
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Hey, guys. I'm a new rogue and was wondering how assassination was doing at the prepatch? Still pretty good to go into>

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?

minor thicket
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So if I’ve only ever played SIN and outlaw what’s the best way to learn Sub

hazy iron
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hit a dummy for 10-20 minutes

balmy condor
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sin is fine @white igloo

fleet whale
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i mean fundamentally none of the rogue specs are drastically different from one another

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regardless of what people tell you, it isn't that hard to transition

harsh tusk
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sin is still good for prepatch raiding

white igloo
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Sin was my favorite but a lot of people kept telling me to play Outlaw. Saying it was better and that sin was shit now.

balmy condor
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you need to talk to new people kekchamp

white igloo
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I didn't know if I should believe them or not - because I hate playing Outlaw.

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Ha, Thank you for the help!

balmy condor
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np

peak jungle
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Welcome to the assassination channel!

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Where we haven't learned how to be pirate

balmy condor
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fuck outlaw

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I can't stand it lmao

fleet whale
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There's a sin rogue using CT for maut

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so far he's the second highest rogue parse on that fight

civic palm
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😐

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newPatchFriend

peak jungle
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CT was good in all circumstances with corruptions

minor thicket
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@balmy condor so you’re playing SIN with SS build until SL and than switching to Subltey

peak jungle
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For raid

balmy condor
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its literally been like 3 hours since the servers are up

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and you're looking at parses

fleet whale
balmy condor
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bruh.jpg

fleet whale
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people like to experiment

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during these times

balmy condor
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yeah but like

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can you wait

civic palm
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Experiment against what O _O

balmy condor
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more than 3 hours

civic palm
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Look how GOOD this is!
Nerd there are 10 parses...

marble hemlock
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So if I’ve only ever played SIN and outlaw what’s the best way to learn Sub
@minor thicket play the spec in different environments

balmy condor
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dude

marble hemlock
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sub isnt that much different to assa, you have a bunch of maintenance spells, low-cd burst windows etc.

balmy condor
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someone played Exsang CT on heroic nzoth

minor thicket
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Ok sounds good

balmy condor
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rank 2 parse

civic palm
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SWITCH SPECS NOW!!

marble hemlock
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that you need to set up properly by making sure you go into them with as much energy/cp as you can without overcapping

balmy condor
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OUT OF TWO PARSES

civic palm
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📈 CT ON THE RISE!!

balmy condor
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HES THE WORST

fleet whale
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the person i linked is using crucible major too

balmy condor
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good for him

fleet whale
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sad to see no blindside parses yet though 😦

balmy condor
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if you walk up to heroic xanesh

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and use shiv

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and then die

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you'd be 7th

minor thicket
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Who cares about the parse

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It’s prepatch

balmy condor
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^

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not only that

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THERE ARE NO PARSES

minor thicket
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I could fart a better parse

balmy condor
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there's like 15-20 people

low girder
balmy condor
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on each fight

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who the fuck even cares

civic palm
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AGO

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HAHAHAHA

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Yeah right... hahaha...

hazy iron
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need thousands of more parses before any trend can be seen

civic palm
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no.

low girder
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TIME TO UPDATE

marble hemlock
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i miss ago 😦

fleet whale
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i don't

marble hemlock
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i loved being able to switch poisons depending on whether i wanted to aoe or do prio/st

fleet whale
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hated how your opener could get really scuffed cause of AP taking too long on a pack

marble hemlock
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yeah thats true

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it was mostly the procrate being dog that was annoying about it

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but for m+ i loved it

fleet whale
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20% base proc rate

marble hemlock
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switching to ago for bosses, deadly on aoe to proc PK etc.

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was really nice variety and dynamic gameplay

fleet whale
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you must like one of the three rogues who miss AP

marble hemlock
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i dont miss ap itself, but i miss having more poisons

low girder
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yeah the idea itself was cool

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just didn't work out like i wanted it to

fleet whale
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yes sin needs more poisons that i agree with

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they made sin a "poison master" in legion

marble hemlock
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there was a lot of stuff that sucked with ap

fleet whale
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by removing poisons from sub and outlaw lol

marble hemlock
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but it was a nice idea to have more non-lethal poison options for different encounters

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and for the first half of legion it carried the idea of assa having 2 individual build options that you could choose to play

civic palm
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Bring back preBuff AP.

marble hemlock
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that had vastly different gearing and talenting choices

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with bleed vs poison

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in bfa they just mixed it all together and the resulting cocktail tastes bitter

fleet whale
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I kind of want blizz to just go all in on the poison fantasy for assassin, rather than trying the whole bleed vs poison thing, but that's just how i feel

molten trellis
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!wa

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balmy condor
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@civic palm got shit?

main forge
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@fleet whale agreed there... that's what always drew me to assassination, with mutilate, and envenom....

molten trellis
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!plater

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Aw 😦

balmy condor
civic palm
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Don't ask angery

stiff pike
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so im in search of what i want to play for shadowlands and i think im wanting a good throughput class, something that's consistently high damage as long as i'm sticking to my target

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and in said search i've come across assassination rogue as a possibility

balmy condor
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that's basically every dps in the game

normal plover
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human/night elf for race still?

balmy condor
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racials don't matter

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vulpera currently highest

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orc high too

normal plover
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oh okay, just wondering if I should unlock specific ones before shadowlands

balmy condor
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nah

civic palm
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The prettiest one.

balmy condor
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the difference in races is minimal

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play what you want to

stiff pike
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i mean i guess that's fair though, i'd just rather my damage be steadily rising or something rather than burst phase, downtime, burst phase, downtime, etc

surreal solar
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thats not rogue at all

marble hemlock
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so im in search of what i want to play for shadowlands and i think im wanting a good throughput class, something that's consistently high damage as long as i'm sticking to my target
@stiff pike assassination seems to fit that bill quite nicely for shadowlands, yeah. its tuned very badly atm, but you can expect some changes to that before SL releases so it will most likely be in a good spot

balmy condor
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yeah you're not looking for rogue

surreal solar
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rogue is only burst/down/burst/down

marble hemlock
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SL assa isnt

balmy condor
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SL assa is less so

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yeah

civic palm
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They removed Vendetta ay?

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: |

balmy condor
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but its still vendetta peaks

normal plover
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yeah I've been out of the game for a while, but a lot of tuning usually happens in the first couple weeks after an expansion, not sure you can count on which spec is best right now

marble hemlock
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peopel are just too used to the giga-expedient/exsang/vendetta burstiness of assa, but thats an outlier

stiff pike
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is there a better option?

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i'd also looked at feral druid

civic palm
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For a class that does the same damage over the entire course of a fight?

marble hemlock
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all classes have one or multiple cooldowns that they use to have higher dmg for a period of time

surreal solar
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if you want "steady building" go look at warlocks or something

stiff pike
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i just want to feel consistently powerful ig

marble hemlock
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assa is probably still one of the most "stable" in that they only have 1 major cooldown and its just a flat damage increase

normal plover
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is assn still going to be a large damage spike in the opener and then somewhat consistent thereafter?

marble hemlock
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but theres no such thing as consistently powerful

stiff pike
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obviously yeah

marble hemlock
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if youd be consistently powerful, youd be consistently op. most classes operate on a burst-downtime sequence as others have pointed out

civic palm
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or consistently mediocre.

balmy condor
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yeah ^

marble hemlock
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or that, yes.

civic palm
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Since it's constant and "reliable", the damage would be less.

small radish
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Or consistently shit...

civic palm
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Less likely, but possible.

stiff pike
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if not "consistently powerful" maybe more of an engine builder

normal plover
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rogues historically are good boss damage, not fantastic at huge add fights, at least compared to other classes, but I mean it all depends on what specs are good I guess

marble hemlock
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SL assa works like you described. it has one major cooldown that doesnt give any meaningful amount of resources or changes the way you do your rotation, its just a flat 30% dmg increase slapped on one target. the gameplay is the same inside and outside your cd windows

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historically rogue has also been the melee class that is least likely to be sent on add duty for the same reason

normal plover
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haha yes, thank god

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also rogues are typically assigned mechanic duties in fights

balmy condor
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that is, if cloak actually works on it

marble hemlock
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you just hit the boss as if its a targetdummy and oftentimes that means youre the one doing the bosskilling while other people take care of adds or other smaller mechanics

normal plover
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or at least I always was 😂

balmy condor
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which it has been less and less

normal plover
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that's true

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guess I'm just on bitch duty now because I'm a bitch

balmy condor
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scaling is fucked lmao

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welcome to prepatch

civic palm
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Pretty much.

normal plover
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I'm logging on for the first time in months, just want to get things set up for shadowlands I guess

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maybe I should wait until all the addons are updated though, lol

fleet whale
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chances snd rank 2 works by SL launch?

drifting cosmos
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how do i see io? updated addon and nothing

balmy condor
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not working atm

drifting cosmos
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not used to using ambush

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suddenly one more button to press!

fleet whale
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so how hype will you all be when you get the well placed steel conduit?

balmy condor
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0

fleet whale
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like even the envenom duration extension part of it makes no sense

drifting cosmos
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and details not working neither?

fleet whale
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since your gonna clip envenoms in your shiv window anyway

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there is a sl version of details that works for beta

marble hemlock
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does it even work that way?

fleet whale
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haven't tried it for live though

marble hemlock
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the way i understood WPS is that it extends envenom when you use shiv

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not make it so your envenom lasts longer while shiv is active

drifting cosmos
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lol its like we playing blind

marble hemlock
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which is even worse, cause you pool before shiv so youd not have envenom running going into it

balmy condor
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^

fleet whale
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recount works, as since dps numbers are lower

balmy condor
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that's how I understand it as well

fleet whale
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it won't be as much as a resource hog

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and regardless, it's a bad conduit

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idk how it got past the drawing board

marble hemlock
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same as tiny toxic blades

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cause someone thought shiv is an interesting ability

fleet whale
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imagine building a spec around shiv

marble hemlock
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mostly because we dont have any other cooldown ability

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compared to most other classes

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who have atleast 1 rotational ability with a CD

fleet whale
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honestly i would rather have them baselined Toxic blade and keep shiv as utility

low girder
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blaspheming myself here but

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kingsbane would've worked better in that case

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rather than TB

marble hemlock
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wouldve been even worse

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since kingsbane is an even more boring CD than TB

fleet whale
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idk, i don't think one is more exciting than the other, KB is just a bit more thematic

marble hemlock
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which is quite hard to accomplish

low girder
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they're about the same for me

fleet whale
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they are both basically poison colossus smash

marble hemlock
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but i agree

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i said it before, ill say it again

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Change well placed steel to increase shiv rank2 damage bonus

surreal solar
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i'd rather have KB personally

marble hemlock
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change tiny toxic blades to apply shiv damage bonus in an aoe at 30 or 50% effectiveness

fleet whale
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yeah that's a good start

marble hemlock
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so by running both you have the synergy of boosting poison dmg in aoe

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for a short duration

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or just have big envenom shiv burst windows every 25sec

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if you just run WPS

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if the bonus starts at 20% and gains like 3% per WPS rank or smth

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you could hit 50-60% bonus which is quite significant. 20% is just awful

fleet whale
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Tiny toxic blade would have amazing synergy with poison katar in that case

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could give assassin some good burst aoe

marble hemlock
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yup

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i mean it still wouldnt be huge damage if its like 50% effectiveness or smth

fleet whale
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Assassin seems more focused poisons in SL, so those changes would fit SL really well

marble hemlock
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dunno if it could compare to dashing or so

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but yeah, it'd open up some burstier aoe gameplay on a low cooldown if thats what youd like to run

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yep

low girder
#

might be decent with MA too

#

the talent

marble hemlock
#

there'd be a lot of synergies for it

low girder
#

rather than just making us taking subt all the time in those situations

marble hemlock
#

id also like it for st

#

cause it would make proper pooling/preparation of shiv windows much more important

#

whereas right now its kinda w/e whether you fit 2 or 3 envenoms into your shivs

#

but with a 50 or 60% dmg bonus shiv that woudl be quite different

low girder
#

yeah

marble hemlock
#

on the other hand id prefer if they just gave us a rupture conduit instead

#

i want multi-rupturing on cleave/aoe to be for more reasons than just energy

#

but as it stands its damage on aoe is insignificant

#

same as it was in legion and bfa, which is sad

low girder
#

yeah definitely. rupture's had basically nothing for a while, even blood of the assassinated was fairly strong at first but kinda fell off

#

and you didn't really play around it

marble hemlock
#

yeah

#

its a bit sad, i really like the multi-dot melee gameplay

#

but you mostly just do it for energy and on extended encounters its not even worth the energy to use CP on rupturing multiple targets for more boss-dmg

balmy condor
#

at least garrote got some time in the spotlight this expac

marble hemlock
#

yeah but only when cast from stealth

balmy condor
#

true

#

better than nothing

marble hemlock
#

made using vanish for utility a bit of a feelsbad moment

balmy condor
#

bleeds have sucked for so long though

marble hemlock
#

thats ultimately my issue with stuff like this, you should feel good for using something, not feel bad

#

loot was the same for the most time. you werent happy you got a weapon or trinket drop, you were sad cause it didnt forge/have a socket or good corruption

balmy condor
#

yeah

kind haven
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
north pewter
#

are those actually working

balmy condor
north pewter
#

my weak auras is only showing cds rn

balmy condor
#

they're not updated

#

so

#

doubtful

north pewter
#

I just have to pay extra attention now that my crutches have been ripped away

low girder
#

for sin at least most should still work as normal

balmy condor
#

I couldn't get my wa's to work personally, and now my characters don't exist

#

so

kind haven
#

the author i want is there and has SL auras working

north pewter
#

one of my guildies had no toons for a while

#

but it fixed

balmy condor
#

yeah I was in for a while and then it broke

drifting cosmos
#

i felt there is no fun to play this shit, no wa, no details

balmy condor
#

details works

north pewter
#

it's certainly spicing up keys a bit

low girder
#

yeah i have a few guildies who's characters have vanished

balmy condor
#

wa's work as well

north pewter
#

details works if you dl the shadowlands one

balmy condor
#

just have to update

low girder
#

they'll come back though, it's not the first time i've seen this lol

north pewter
#

I expected some level of this at first.

#

nbd

balmy condor
#

ye

#

expected outcome

north pewter
#

I have to actually play my class now though. Annoying.

low girder
#

8.3 had similar issues

#

on launch

balmy condor
#

so will shadowlands

#

and every patch after

low girder
#

yep

surreal solar
#

i think almost every prepatch/huge patch i've seen has been wonky like this

balmy condor
#

that's cause it's always like this

#

:)

#

you're not wrong

ionic vault
#

ok so this might be a dumb question but what do you all bind your ruptures/snd to? I'm just trying to optimize my keybindings

low girder
#

4/5

balmy condor
#

personally rupture on 4, snd will be on t

ionic vault
#

you guys have big hands or long fingers lol

balmy condor
#

4 and t are pretty close

low girder
#

you hit snd every 30+ seconds

#

doesn't need to be close

balmy condor
#

I might bind snd to shift e tbh

ionic vault
#

tahts very good point mata

low girder
#

i put ct there when it was bis on ST

#

that was harder

ionic vault
#

ya'll don't use q and e to strafe?

balmy condor
#

shift e is an open key for me atm

#

wat

#

no

low girder
#

i have a and d for strafe

#

q and e are binds

balmy condor
#

do you keyboard turn

ionic vault
#

I mouse turn

balmy condor
#

wat

ionic vault
#

a and d are useless indeed

balmy condor
#

then what do you have bound on a and d

ionic vault
#

I should rebind strafe to a and d

#

and use q and e for actions

low girder
#

the one time i've ever keyboard turned while raiding was to run perfect circles on m azshara

strange python
#

do we use shiv in prepatch?

low girder
#

so i just used arrow keys

balmy condor
#

no

low girder
#

no

balmy condor
#

shiv is dead in prepatch

strange python
#

got it

#

ty

normal plover
#

man, the return of slice and dice

molten harbor
#

Any ideas on how to fi Details? Was working for a bit, not it seems broken

balmy condor
#

use a shadowlands version

molten harbor
#

I got that and still bugging out

balmy condor
#

wait for a fix tomorrow

fleet whale
#

use recount lol

#

it works well enough

visual belfry
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
molten harbor
#

reinstall in tiwtch seemed to work it out

delicate trench
#

anyone had a chance to do a key ?

balmy condor
#

people are smashing keys from what I hear

#

I've been too busy fixing my ui :P

marble hemlock
#

Tuning seems to be way too low, same as it was in BfA prepatch

balmy condor
#

yeah

marble hemlock
#

Stuff that oneshot before is now tickling for half hp

delicate trench
#

as assas ? we still doing good dmg ?

marble hemlock
#

Enraged thug in ML28 charging, doing 50% hp in damage. Kekw

balmy condor
#

@warped temple cough was saying that 20-21 bosses are dying super quick

delicate trench
#

lol are you kidding xD

#

kekw

#

#hyped

#

what are the affixes ?

marble hemlock
#

assa seems to be doing fine in prepatch

balmy condor
#

fort sang quake

delicate trench
#

what a week

#

should be fun

molten harbor
#

feels weird that auto attack is my best skill xD

burnt siren
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
spring iron
#

What's our talent build RN?

#

has it changed from the pinned?

balmy condor
cobalt gyro
#

Pretty much the same

#

Minus toxic blade cuz it doesn't exist until 58 anymore

balmy condor
#

yup

spring iron
#

is that the M+ build?

grizzled jay
#

M+ would use CT

balmy condor
#

that's just the build

fleet whale
#

it probably is still fine for M+ tbh

spring iron
#

for sure

cobalt gyro
#

Meh wouldn't even bother changing it for m+

fleet whale
#

just have SS and EB traits

spring iron
#

I like the blender build

cobalt gyro
#

Subt is nuts for m+, alacrity is just OP

whole orbit
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
spring iron
#

is that guide updated?

fleet whale
#

if you're pulls are consistent

cobalt gyro
#

Pb Is meh but it's meh single target too

fleet whale
#

alac should have close to full uptime in a dungeon

cobalt gyro
#

Even if it doesn't tho

#

Hard to argue with it

balmy condor
#

yes that guide is updated

fleet whale
#

Nelf night fae rogue dream

#

get 9 garrotes off

cobalt gyro
#

You mean 12?

fleet whale
#

yeah it actually can be 12 lol

#

duration would run out on some of them though

cobalt gyro
#

G g g vanish g g g meld g g g

fleet whale
#

sepsis vanish

#

ggg

low girder
#

what are target caps anyway

drifting cosmos
#

i was kinda hoping we can stop this ggg business in SL

fleet whale
#

well for dots

#

none

low girder
#

ye

drifting cosmos
#

guess not

balmy condor
#

8 targets

fleet whale
#

idk without G G G

balmy condor
#

for both CT and fok

low girder
#

was making a joke

fleet whale
#

were dead in m+

low girder
#

my b

cobalt gyro
#

For dots the target cap is how many you can apply before they start falling;ff

spring iron
#

Do we not care abotu shiv?

fleet whale
#

not until we get the perk

cobalt gyro
#

Normally it's 3 for garrote

fleet whale
#

which is at level 58

drifting cosmos
#

need to buff some poison shits to replace this ggg business

spring iron
#

got it

cobalt gyro
#

Nah the poison spec is worse at poisons

#

Unluck

tidal gorge
#

Apart from talents, what traits are people using so far for prepatch?

drifting cosmos
#

same

fleet whale
#

HoD, DD, NP, SS

#

mostly the same stuff

balmy condor
#

the same as usual yeah

fleet whale
#

one of the minors should be crucible

#

main change tbh lol

tidal gorge
#

Fair enough. My old haste corruption gear simmed about the same as a NP focused build so /shrug

#

Hadn't tried other combos yet

drifting cosmos
#

do we use beams in m+ now?

balmy condor
#

bote still good

#

but beam is fine

low girder
#

EB still exists

fleet whale
#

i mean

balmy condor
#

yup

low girder
#

not as good but

balmy condor
#

eb still exists

fleet whale
#

you could always beam as assassin

balmy condor
#

and lookin pretty good

fleet whale
#

in general BoTE is better though

balmy condor
#

you definitely could always beam as sin

#

but with EB

#

you'd be trolling to

fleet whale
#

but does beam have a target cap?

drifting cosmos
#

not for now?

low girder
#

neither do afaik

balmy condor
#

ye I mean bote instant damage fucking blows

#

so whatever

#

but you're not gonna pull more than 8 usually anyway

#

if you're pulling all of TD beach, sure, spec into beam, beam it down, then spec back to bote

fleet whale
#

luckily this isn't the outlaw channel or else this would be a three hour debate lol

balmy condor
#

ye its pretty easy with sin

drifting cosmos
#

also how good/bad is snd in m+ anyway

#

just put it up on boss?

cobalt gyro
#

It's free damage

balmy condor
#

snd is incredible damage

drifting cosmos
#

not free, you use combo points where it can be other dmg skills

low girder
#

you don't drop it in aoe like sub

#

it's the highest dmg finisher

#

of the 3

balmy condor
#

^^

cobalt gyro
#

Nah in aoe it's still massive

balmy condor
#

its the strongest finisher

fleet whale
#

unless if you're pulling a metric ton of mobs just keep it up it's easy in aoe

#

one fok gives you like 5 cps lol

drifting cosmos
#

yea ok

fleet whale
#

bring back deadly momentum though

#

for qol in open world

low girder
#

replace VR with it

drifting cosmos
#

so thats one more buff to maintain

low girder
#

unironically

#

yeah

fleet whale
#

if you liked Wotlk Sin this is kind of similar

balmy condor
#

it's like 45 seconds long

#

so it's fine

fleet whale
#

except we have vendetta instead of hunger for blood

#

eh when leveling in shadowlands it would be nice

fallow otter
#

Whisp what's a good sin sim getting to for ST 3min

halcyon grail
#

Why 3 min and not 5?

low girder
#

most fights are closer to 3

#

atm

balmy condor
#

idk bout 3 min

#

I'm running some sims atm

low girder
#

have you encountered the random dps inflation again

#

i haven't since the one i linked you

balmy condor
#

no

low girder
#

wonder if something broke and it got fixed

balmy condor
#

well @fallow otter I'm simming for ~4.4

#

on 2 min

#

I'll sim 3

#

~4.2 on 3 min

#

and I'm nowhere near BiS

#

so I'd say if you're reaching close to like 4.5+

#

you're probably pumping

low girder
#

i'd feed you mine but i swapped all my shit to sub

balmy condor
#

that's fine

#

I can un-sub it

#

hit me with the dm

tidal gorge
#

For comparison what's your 5 min Whisp?

low girder
#

yeah just re-running

balmy condor
#

@tidal gorge ~3950

#

probably not fully optimized either

#

so

#

I'll push mata's sim

#

and then we'll see

tidal gorge
#

Ok, sitting at 3840 myself without any changes other than putting in default talents so I guess I'm not horrible

balmy condor
#

yeah that's basically what I did

low girder
#

i think i was around 4.4

#

without swapping anything but talents

#

and azerite

fleet whale
#

i'm at 3.9k myself but i think i can hit 4k with some more stat optimization

balmy condor
#

yeah

#

I'm double nav as well

low girder
#

yeah i should say that 4.4 was at 3m

balmy condor
#

no gale force

low girder
#

sub i've gotten to 4.9

#

ish

tidal gorge
#

wut, gale force?

low girder
#

and my stats are shit

balmy condor
#

yeh

#

gale force is sick

low girder
#

yeah force multi/gale is bis

balmy condor
#

gale force increasing attack speed

#

on top of snd increasing attack speed

#

omega poggers

low girder
#

every spec is force multi/gale now

#

kinda funny

#

rogue spec*

balmy condor
#

ye

#

and force multi is pog cause agi

tidal gorge
#

This is what I get for taking 3 weeks off after we killed mythic n'zoth. This game is completely new again!

balmy condor
#

is pog

fallow otter
#

@balmy condor anyone getting close to 5k?

balmy condor
#

demon hunters

low girder
#

BM is smashing

fallow otter
#

Lol

low girder
#

at least in logs

balmy condor
#

5k on sin is impossible

#

5k sub might be doable

fallow otter
#

Yeh sub doable

low girder
#

i've seen 5.2k for sub

#

so far

balmy condor
#

yeah

low girder
#

WV though

balmy condor
#

sin probably not happening

low girder
#

my 4.9 was with clf

balmy condor
#

I got mata to 4570 on 5 min

#

in sin

low girder
#

that's pretty close

balmy condor
#

without doing like gems and shit

fallow otter
#

I've got alot of haste and haven't simmed trinkets in bank and I'm close to 5k

fleet whale
#

wait should we be simming 3 or 5 mins

low girder
#

either or

#

not a huge diff

balmy condor
#

I can resim with 3

#

btw

#

DS is like -11

#

and CT is -20

low girder
#

lol

#

i legit didn't play around with sin at all in-game

deft vault
#

So does snd increase our attack speed by 70% with rank 2 unlocked at 56 ???

balmy condor
#

yes

fleet whale
#

well it's supposed to

balmy condor
#

shhshhshshhhh

deft vault
#

goddamn thats a fuck ton

low girder
fleet whale
#

but yes when it's actually properly implented

#

sin rogues will be stabbing at light speed

#

people say sin is a slow paced spec, yet it's gonna have the highest attack speed in SL

fallow otter
#

Whats simming best to save me some time

balmy condor
low girder
#

DD/HoD/NP

#

SS is also close i think

#

so prolly good for a lot of fights

fleet whale
#

yeah SS is still good

fallow otter
#

How is vop major DD np build simming

balmy condor
#

not great

low girder
#

legit i didn't check

#

oh ok

#

lol

fleet whale
#

Endless hunger and Ancients Bulwark

balmy condor
#

I'm being summoned by gf

#

so I can't sim too much

fleet whale
#

those are the meta azerite traits

#

if you can get high ilvl versions of them lol

fallow otter
#

I thought we were exclusive

low girder
#

that sim is also pure vers

#

so it'll go up

#

i think

#

unless vers shot up overnight

fleet whale
#

I seem to sim better going full crit

#

was a loss for me simming for vers

low girder
#

i fed him a sin sim with sub gear

#

'cause i already swapped

balmy condor
#

yeah but I changed everything back

#

no one needs to know

low girder
#

lol

fleet whale
#

there you go 4k sim

#

sadly i need to use coral though 😦

tidal gorge
#

Ooh, I wonder if font is good again

low girder
#

i didn't have font or coral in my inventory when i ran the sim

#

whoops

balmy condor
#

don't tempt me when I can't sim

fleet whale
#

my font sadly doesn't have a socket in it

low girder
#

mine's heroic

#

so it prolly isn't worth simming

fleet whale
#

so is mine lol

low girder
#

coral's mythic though

fleet whale
#

but even heroic coral was simming really well for me

fallow otter
#

I have 455 font I can sim later

#

Nah to font coral inc

fleet whale
#

430 now

#

is like 85 ilvl i think

low girder
#

455 should be 110

#

i think

fleet whale
#

you're right

#

cause heroic NYA is 115

low girder
#

might be worth looking into

#

if you hate yourself

#

😄

#

fuck font tbh

fleet whale
#

but i don't really feel like running coral, i'm out of bind space

#

i'll just take the 50 dps L and use the alchemy trinket

#

also don't forget about the clockwork heart trait

#

it's another really good one right now

low girder
#

i had it in there i think

fallow otter
low girder
#

one of them

fallow otter
#

Uh oh

fleet whale
#

shoulders i have use SS and Clockwork heart

fallow otter
#

When I get home I can sim all my other trinkets

balmy condor
#

mata > stunkei

#

confirmed

low girder
#

lol

fallow otter
#

Full mastery gem still

low girder
#

don't think the logs work that way

fallow otter
#

Font tho!

fleet whale
#

deadly and quick weapon enchants

#

that's so... one day ago lol

low girder
#

i'm simming the gems atm

#

but i have pleb tier patreon

#

will be a bit

fallow otter
#

Can we sim old gems and weap chants that I'm not seeing on phone?

fleet whale
#

3 mins boost my sim by like 260 dps

balmy condor
#

@fallow otter have to bonus id it

fallow otter
#

Ew

low girder
#

there's a toggle

fleet whale
#

i was able too

balmy condor
#

oh is there

fleet whale
#

just click the option for older gems/enchants

balmy condor
#

pog

#

i didn't see it

fleet whale
#

yeah it threw me off too at first

#

but there is a check box for it

low girder
#

i can't find where it is now that i've toggled it on

#

lol

fleet whale
#

it's just above

low girder
#

ohye

fallow otter
#

Yeah found it

#

Nice

#

Ta

fleet whale
#

yeah show all enhancements option

fallow otter
#

Had to scroll for it in phone

#

Im guessing we back to force multi

#

And something

fleet whale
#

gale force

#

and multi

fallow otter
#

O real ok

fleet whale
#

gale force op with our high aa damage

fallow otter
#

Makes sense

fleet whale
#

and poison damage

#

however, i don't believe SnD and Gale force make crucible and breath minors proc more

#

but i could be wrong

fallow otter
#

I might have to go sub boys, coz bliz stole tb

balmy condor
#

traitor

#

be gone from my swamp

fallow otter
#

Haven't finished sin yet

fleet whale
#

don't play sub in M+ though in the pre patch

fallow otter
#

But it ain't lookin good

fleet whale
#

but it's impossible to get a higher sim as sin right now in st

fallow otter
#

Font coral dream

fleet whale
#

on the plus side

low girder
#

spyglass and stygian D:

#

i'm sad

fleet whale
#

Sin destroys in pvp atm

balmy condor
#

stygian vise?

#

has 1 abyssal socket?

low girder
#

lol

#

my item restore doesn't go back far enough

#

in other news, 60% stage 3 on this gem sim

#

4.6

balmy condor
#

pog

#

mad lad did it

low girder
#

i put the ring enchants in and it's within margin of error

#

think that's as high as i can push it

#

unless there's some other combo people find

#

obv there's other optimizations that could be done with gear (my rings aren't maxed lul)

fallow otter
#

Hahaha

#

Fuck

#

3min

low girder
#

lol

fallow otter
#

Anyway I'm doin trinkets when I get him

low girder
#

i was gonna say that's impressive with MP/MA

fallow otter
#

Home

#

O wow you dropping np completely

#

Interesting

slim estuary
#

Hey everyone, whats the goss on the prepatch?

balmy condor
#

nothing really

#

all expected

slim estuary
#

drop CT for PB and keep doing the same shit

#

?

balmy condor
#

ye basically

low girder
#

i just took whispyr's sim and ran the gems

#

possible NP could be better than one of these but i doubt it

#

chest is honestly meh

#

without exsang

#

but ilvl will beat anything else

#

with any extra target SS will probably beat out most other options anyway

sand whale
#

haven't really done a huge sim yet just been playing with what I've tested on beta and PTR

#

I don't think NP is too bad, solid burst

#

the 1.5 vend also not too far off this

low girder
#

it's not bad necessarily, it's just lower

#

how much is that in a 5m

#

actually nvm i can just rerun mine

bitter crow
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
sand whale
#

4.4 so bit behind fo sho but I've just got my old prog set up, I've got sub for actual dmg XD

low girder
#

mine's all swapped but whispyr and i have been playing around

balmy condor
#

that's 5%

low girder
fathom falcon
#

how is assassination going against sub so far?

balmy condor
#

worse

#

better in m+ tho

final saffron
#

isn't the event live? :I

low girder
#

if you have the gear, that is. my sin gear is uh, not great for sub turns out, so it's like 100 dps

#

no, later in the patch

final saffron
#

shucks!

outer lotus
#

what traits do you go for now?

#

hod + SS?

fallow otter
#

Click it

outer lotus
balmy condor
#

2x dd 1x ss 3x hod

outer lotus
#

ty mr weebspyr

balmy condor
#

seems to be simming highest

#

for most

low girder
#

lol

#

i'm like 4910 as sub

#

3m though

#

should've kept more gear

outer lotus
#

mata have you simmed with mainstat sockets?

#

or are they actually worse

low girder
#

pretty sure i had one in there

#

it shouldn't be worse

#

i dunno, maybe i clicked off for iterations lol

fallow otter
#

Are you forcing food mata

warm olive
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what are the changes i have to make for m+? coming from standard raid bleed build

fallow otter
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Food looks scuffed

low girder
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i'm forcing feast so i don't have to check food

fallow otter
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8 agi?

low girder
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think it's like 31

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jk 19

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the dropdown says 131 but i'm assuming that's just unsquished

balmy condor
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@warm olive play it just like normal

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CT is still good

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just switch into alac

low girder
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pog

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agi gem big @outer lotus good call

warm olive
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ok cool, 3 ss + stats?

balmy condor
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yeah I mean ideally 3x SS + 2-3 eb with crit

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but since you said raid build

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just hod it up

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and it'll be okay

fallow otter
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Am I missing something

warm olive
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i have 3xss 3eb crit/versa from earlier m+ build

fallow otter
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Where 19

low girder
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bfa feast, says 131 but that was pre-squish

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it's 19 now

balmy condor
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yea if you have crit/vers build

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use that

warm olive
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ok thanks

outer lotus
exotic rose
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Hey guy, are raidbots sim for Assa reliable at the moment or not really? Their blog post suggest checking on class discord channel for reliability.

balmy condor
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yes

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rogue APL is all fine

exotic rose
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Awesome, thanks.

balmy condor
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np

grizzled ruin
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could be worse i guess and i havent changed anything so far

balmy condor
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ye

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get memory and crucible into your minors

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get some DD traits

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replace all the gems

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ez pz