#assassination

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balmy condor
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Bloodmallet has a patreon?

vital haven
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ye

fallow otter
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Blood mallet lost me

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If I must use one is hero damage

balmy condor
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Ye idk I don’t really use either one

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They use the same outdated undergeared profiles

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Which is fine

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But why would I look up sims with a profile when I could just sim it myself

vital haven
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ye one of their headers says "chosen by patron tmb"

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so i got curious

fallow otter
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They have a dev beta page but doesn't load shit on phone

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Might just be phone problem

grizzled jay
frigid kestrel
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ye

grizzled jay
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Rotbriar Seed also pretty good

frigid kestrel
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whats that one

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im feeling this alot

fallow otter
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These trinkets always going to be around but god they are boring

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I want more interesting ones

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Stuff like Lurker's Insidious Gift

balmy condor
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Wdym, trinket slots aren’t supposed to be interesting

fallow otter
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Get out

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Dream crusher

balmy condor
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Pretty sure they’re supposed to be ring slots 3 and 4

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Just stats and raw damage

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Just macro everything to vendetta anyway

low girder
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/use Lurker's Insidious Gift
/w Healer HEAL PLS

fallow otter
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Imagine a trinket that makes your attacks to not get parried and you do extra damage to targets if you attack their face, maybe on-use so it's not busted for fights that it didn't matter if you stand in their face

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But having to dodge tank mechanics

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Dragons breath s

balmy condor
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So it’s mechagon rings with extra steps

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?

fallow otter
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They got no down side

balmy condor
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I guess so

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You’re not getting the bonus

fallow otter
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Sounds interesting though to introduce us having to dodge tank mechanics for a pay off

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I like the idea of having to deal with more mechanics in general for more damage, I like corruption for this reason - it's awesome, the part that sucked was acquiring it before the vendor

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@low girder it really didnt do much iirc I was still using it with lucid major and the leech sorted it out

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But my memory sucks so I could be making that up

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Let me check

low girder
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we didn't have lucid until after the patch

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so like ~2 weeks before EP came out

fallow otter
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Yep

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Still used it though for ep at the start because it was good

low girder
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i was cyclo/coral fairly quickly i think

fallow otter
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Yeah I just remember there was a lucid major this trinket window

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Which is surprising because honestly my memory is dogshit

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Remember you could cyclo the same time as doing your rotation haha

low girder
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yeah that was stupid lol

shrewd night
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Sounds interesting though to introduce us having to dodge tank mechanics for a pay off

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Last boss in that elegon raid where you had to dodge slams to get dps increase

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Just make it into a trinket

fallow otter
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Yeh I reckon

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Just fun ideas like that would be nice

glacial timber
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i really like trinkets, they are like mini legendaries or armor set bonus

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just one extra abilitie/proc to have in mind is cool i guest

balmy condor
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Most of them are passive or macro’d to vendetta sadly

fallow otter
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That's why double on use was fun for a while

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Finding the best window in mechanics to font and then also best time to bust your coral stacks

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Rather than just the way you use gcb or lustrious

balmy condor
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The best time was font before vendetta, then coral with vendetta

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It’s the same thing

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Just extra steps

low girder
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i actually kinda liked cyclo after it was fixed and you couldn't hit anything

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waiting for a window to use it

fallow otter
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Still need find the window in mechanics before all this

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Yup cyclo too

shrewd night
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I liked the doggo trinket from antorus. It was all passive, and just stupid.

low girder
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but a lot of specs don't have that time

fallow otter
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Sometimes it for a mechanic so use it then

low girder
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during normal rotation

fallow otter
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Yeh at that time we had a window to pool energy anyway

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Before Tb vanish iirc something like that

sterile jackal
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has anyone tested Bloodfang legendary? I'm looking at drop places of leggos and it could take some time till we get dashing

balmy condor
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it looks like trash

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:)

sterile jackal
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nvm, it is also from CN. But it is still curious

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ah

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as i expected

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so it is all between DS, MA and Doomblade

balmy condor
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strat is probably zoldyck into scoundrel

sterile jackal
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ah, and Zold

balmy condor
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zoldyck is the go-to for m+ as well

dawn merlin
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MA is you're night fae tho, no?

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if*

balmy condor
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yeah

sterile jackal
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most synergy

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what about Maw Rat? Has it been tested?

balmy condor
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but MA kinda yucky

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maw rat?

sterile jackal
balmy condor
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oh

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dunno

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probably worse

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but also requires honored

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and doubtful you'll get that early

sterile jackal
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i was looking also at general leggos if there is anything good

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its quite fast, honored rep

balmy condor
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all the rogue lego's are simmed I know

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none of the general legos seem to be great

sterile jackal
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when 5 stacked

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could be good

balmy condor
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yeah but why would you 5 stack a general lego

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when you could have 5 good legos on each person individually

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unless the numbers on a general lego are tuned crazy high for no reason

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you're not gonna see it

sterile jackal
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sure thing

inner sonnet
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@sterile jackal Preach tried that in a few mythic+ runs, did less than 1% dmg of the group every time

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they might have retuned it since, but looks like a meh option

crimson palm
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What if i told you preach isn't a relevant baseline you can take

inner sonnet
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obviously, but even so - leggo looks trash

hidden bay
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Preach is NOT relevant? Hello?????? How dare u

crimson palm
dim crescent
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When leveling my Assass rogue, should I be using vendetta off cooldown, when low on energy or just for beefier enemies?

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As well as what are the most important things for gearing if there’s any general tips

limber lion
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Generally want to get as many uses for it as possible, but it's situational. If you can use a Vendetta on a mob and get full value out of it and have it ready when you get to a boss mob or whatever, then go ahead. If the target doesn't survive the full 20s, don't use it. It's better to save it for important targets that last the full duration

dim crescent
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okay sweet thankyou

inner sonnet
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even if it's not off CD when you get to a big mob, go get a drink or smth to wait for the 2m

bright lintel
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
normal olive
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What did i miss that made kyrian best ability now

errant hull
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same last i heard it bone spike was god tier

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did it get kneecapped or something

balmy condor
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sbs got nerfed hard

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and kyrian got buffed

normal olive
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i'm away for 2 weeks

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ffs

balmy condor
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er actually does damage now

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and spike got throat punched

normal olive
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well i'll still go night fae

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i opened the pins and was like, did i miss april fools?

errant hull
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i dont play a rogue to go dance with fairies

normal olive
surreal solar
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Unless things change the 2 characters im likely to play, are both night fae

spice surge
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wow i cant believe things are changing on the beta!

grizzled jay
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What needs to change is how bad Well-Placed Steel is. An AoE Conduit does as much ST dps as WPS lmao

desert pasture
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BFA Assassin question, with x3 echoing blades is it worth just spamming fan once I get a couple ruptures going?

balmy condor
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yes

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with enough energy, you just spam fok, and finish for EP

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usually 4-5 bleeds

desert pasture
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I mean just spamming fok not using the combo points

balmy condor
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so 3 garrotes from stealth and 1-2 ruptures

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yes

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you spam fok, and finish for ep

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if you have ep

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you keep spamming

desert pasture
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Gotcha

peak tundra
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
grim skiff
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Hows assa vs Sub in SL? All the streamers playing sub

balmy condor
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That’s cause subs stronger

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And sin is undertuned

grim skiff
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So is just a number thing, not mechanically

balmy condor
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Yep

grim skiff
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Good, ty!

balmy condor
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Any time badaLove

crimson palm
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hi new rogue here what is best covenant and stats

balmy condor
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You almost had me with the pfp change

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Not gonna lie

subtle drift
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😂

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@crimson palm the one you like the best :)
Just play for fun and then you'll see your DPS is higher with a self voted choice rather than a dps sheet

Xoxo ♥

crimson palm
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no i play to top meters

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so pls tell me

balmy condor
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Hemo boutta play necro and get benched so hard

forest nacelle
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are ass rogues safe in SL :D?

balmy condor
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Wdym safe

forest nacelle
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doing good dps

subtle drift
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Whispyrheute um 16:35 Uhr
That’s cause subs stronger
And sin is undertuned

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You don't even have to scroll

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If you're not a cutting edge raider, you can play safely assa.

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And there may be tunings too make it stronger

crimson palm
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sin is dead

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dont play sin

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i wanna be the only one playing it in CN

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get all 100s on progress runs and finally play a DK

balmy condor
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I mean atm sin is like 30% behind sub

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It’s worse off than sub currently

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So it’s looking dead with the numbers at the moment

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But there’s no way it doesn’t get tuned

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Right? .....right??

crimson palm
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i feel like u'll still end up topping boss dps

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cuz everyone else has to do mechanics

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and ur just chilling there

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finishing that episode of 'whatever 20 min show'

past moat
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is twist the knife better than double dose for pve

lean marten
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DD won't get much uptime

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TtK better for pvp

past moat
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hm

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what shud i choose for pve thenb

dark crag
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For raids dd for pvp ttk

past moat
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ty

dark crag
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If you have high haste corruptions, go ss

lean marten
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prolly go #pvp for pvp questions btw they know more

balmy condor
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I mean, he asked for PvE didn’t he

lean marten
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i thought he asked pvp lmao

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im dumb dumb

jolly comet
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hey for pet battles this is what i usually do

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you wanted to know that right?

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😛

dark crag
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Prepatch soon will change it anyway

jolly comet
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very true

lean marten
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@past moat sorry i thought u said pvp, you were right to be here

past moat
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lol

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yeah im into m+ and raids

balmy condor
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DD will be good in prepatch again

past moat
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good

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that wat i went

balmy condor
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Obviously not in dungeons

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But for raids it’ll be back to DD HoD

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Like the good ol days

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Except not HoD

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Cause it’s so bad in prepatch lmao

lean marten
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the crux of DD is that if you press FanofKnives it has zero value

shrewd night
lean marten
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so its trash in m+

shrewd night
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nice one sips

lean marten
past moat
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scent of blood

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or nothing pers

balmy condor
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Nothing personal

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Scent suck

jolly comet
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wish they would have remade scent

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but i guess i cant ask for the moon

balmy condor
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Scent was good for like 2 patches

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More than enough for me

past moat
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ttk or np tho ?

balmy condor
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Probably 1 of each

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And only cause ttk on cara is high ilvl

lean marten
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i miss my 3xNP VoPmajor build

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it was a nicememe

balmy condor
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3x NP vop seems okay in prepatch tbh

lean marten
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my fav part was seeing vendetta NP as my top dps

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then next pull it was bottom

crimson palm
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3x NP should be simming highest

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in prepatch

balmy condor
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It’s def not

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It’s slightly worse than your typical builds

lean marten
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is TB still a talent in beta

balmy condor
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Alacrity

lean marten
past moat
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just got

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then 10m later

balmy condor
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Pawn peepoChrist

past moat
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what enchants for weps?

balmy condor
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Quick + whatever nav

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Don’t use force or gale

past moat
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ty

minor thicket
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does anyone happen to know Rogue Youtubers who put out videos frequently?

balmy condor
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I think crim does

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Would usually stay away from youtubers though

minor thicket
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the name is crim?

balmy condor
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By the time they get a video up it’s already outdated kek

minor thicket
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just looking for videos who talkj about the rotation for Slands and changes

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oh lol

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i read wowhead, but i am more of a listener than reader

balmy condor
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Yeah I wouldn’t trust a video with anything guide based

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At least not now

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Things are changing basically every week

minor thicket
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yea i guess now more than ever since they are tuning

balmy condor
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Sin didn’t change jack shit though

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Same rotation as 6 years ago

minor thicket
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well theres no TB now

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and theres SnD

balmy condor
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Maintain snd

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And shiv is Tb

minor thicket
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oh

balmy condor
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So it’s still there

minor thicket
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lol gotcha

balmy condor
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Yup yup

minor thicket
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will Exsan still be viable come pre patch

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or not really

balmy condor
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If you’re socket in every slot full haste pump

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Then it’s okay

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Not the best, but definitely playable

minor thicket
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im missing 2 slots

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ok so if we switch from exas whats the build for now?

balmy condor
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DD alacrity

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DD NP I should say

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HoD is a trait you can use

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But shouldn’t

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Cause it’s really bad

minor thicket
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so back to master poisoner

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essentially

balmy condor
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Yeah except ep is still better

minor thicket
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ep?

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ah

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elaborate

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gotcha

balmy condor
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Mp has a chance with high conduits ranks

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But until then, it’s ep in prepatch, blindside in shadowlands

minor thicket
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sorry I meant Master Assasin over Subterfuge?

balmy condor
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Ma is gud ye

smoky bluff
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/wa

balmy condor
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
smoky bluff
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forgot how to command

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ty

balmy condor
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Np

deft vault
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Is it possible to have a macro that cast mutilate but cast ambush when i get a blindside proc?

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cuz i use one for ambush in stealth/subterfuge and mutilate otherwise

opaque grotto
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I don’t think macros can handle conditions like that

frigid kestrel
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What some do is shift+ key you typically use

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Don’t know if that’s a good work around for you, just throwing darts hoping something sticks and helps out

grizzled jay
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They nerfed my girl Kleia again 😢

outer condor
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Is it possible to have a macro that cast mutilate but cast ambush when i get a blindside proc?
macros that cast skills can't check for buffs

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and since procs are sorta like buffs, some of them even pop up in the buff bar, the answer is no

vestal wren
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there is a potential workaround with addons that remove some macro restrictions

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you could try it /cast Ambush; Mutilate works but i doubt

errant cloak
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/cast [stealth] Ambush; [nostealth] Mutilate

or

/cast [mod:ctrl]Ambush;[nomod] Mutilate

deft vault
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yeah i dont think what im looking for is doable

errant cloak
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man kann auch mit stances arbeiten ich verwend das bei Sub /cast [stance:1][stance:2]Shadowstrike; [nostealth]Backstab

lean marten
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just press alt+F4

errant cloak
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ups sorry wrong language ^^

distant ocean
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man kann auch mit stances arbeiten ich verwend das bei Sub /cast [stance:1][stance:2]Shadowstrike; [nostealth]Backstab
pls speak hooman

errant cloak
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you can use stances, I use that for my sub macro /cast [stance:1][stance:2]Shadowstrike; [nostealth]Backstab

austere grove
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any updates on cov's ? are they still pretty close to one another?

strange python
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do we know what's going to be good in prepatch?

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
outer condor
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yeah i dont think what im looking for is doable
if what you're looking for is a conditional that changes upon a proc, no

balmy condor
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@austere grove pins are updated with sims, generally they're pretty close, yes

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@strange python DD/NP alacrity, back to early nya/late ep

icy ember
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but we still not going to have shiv available to use at 50?

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exsang is the way to go

balmy condor
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correct

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no

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exsang will be viable

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but it isn't the best

icy ember
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well i mean we cant use toxic blade lol

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is that right?

balmy condor
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correct

shy dust
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Alacrity 📈

balmy condor
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^

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alacrity is stonks

icy ember
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so what about that 90 tier, what is viable to pick? venom rush?

balmy condor
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you're trolling right

icy ember
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i haven't selected it in forever

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no i'm just asking questions

balmy condor
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venom rush is the worst talent sin has

icy ember
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so exsang is the way to go, gotcha

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for prepatch

balmy condor
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NO

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bruh

icy ember
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so the nature dmg increase is worth it

balmy condor
icy ember
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oh sorry i didnt realize it was replaced LOL

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now that makes more sense to me

balmy condor
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lmao

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all good

icy ember
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yo its going to feel strange AF to not have access to shiv

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what level do we get it at?

balmy condor
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56

neat bison
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Hey guys, I haven’t touched the PTR for SL. What’s it looking like for us assas rogues?

balmy condor
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in terms of what

smoky bluff
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dps against the other specs?

balmy condor
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playstyle changes?

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builds?

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covenants?

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stats?

grizzled jay
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whispy always ignoring my DMs pepehands

neat bison
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Sorry, I’ve really only played assas. So how’s it compare to now as far as the build and dps. Seems like the covenant is the necro one right? I haven’t looked much into SL yet especially since they delayed it

balmy condor
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sin hasn't changed basically at all

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in shadowlands, shiv is tb

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we get snd back

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thats it

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also we take kyrian now

grizzled jay
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Energy pooling will become a very important mechanic for Sin in SL, which people who may have started Sin in 8.3 will not be used to.

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That's about the biggest change

balmy condor
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necro got stomped into the ground

smoky bluff
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why kyrian T_T

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still on beta tho

balmy condor
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cause it does damage

grizzled jay
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Because ER does 297% AP every 45s with the Conduit

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Plus 3CP and the Animacharge

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For 10 energy

neat bison
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Soooo kyrian covenant now??

smoky bluff
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ye

neat bison
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I’ll note that lol

grizzled jay
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Night Fae isn't that far behind iirc

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But Kyrian also has Pelagos, who is the best Soulbind

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Necrolord is also technically the best on any fight where 2+ targets live for a very long time

smoky bluff
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check the pins

neat bison
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Okay thoughts on assas dps wise, easy rotation dps still the best?

balmy condor
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I mean

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that's 100% tuning based

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right now we're ~30% behind sub

neat bison
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Ooooooof

grizzled jay
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yah Night Fae with Niya in dungeon slice is basically as good as Pelagos, about what I thought

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that kick poison is so strong tbh

neat bison
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Subs better?!

balmy condor
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by far

grizzled jay
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It's been better since phase 1 Alpha, it for a rework

smoky bluff
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for the moment

neat bison
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I wouldn’t mind switching to a new build this xpack

smoky bluff
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check w-beep-ta SL rankings

sand pewter
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sub is going to get nerfed though

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no way it goes live

smoky bluff
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i think is overtuned

balmy condor
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did you just say wowmeta

neat bison
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Valid point

balmy condor
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don't ever utter those words here again

smoky bluff
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ok ok

sand pewter
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with shadowlands is delayed we cant assume what specs will be good damage wise

neat bison
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Assas rogue on wowmeta is damn near last place

balmy condor
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linking wowmeta is a delete btw XD

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koffing will curb stomp you

neat bison
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Wowmeta shit?

balmy condor
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wowmeta is straight garbage

neat bison
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Hahahahah

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Good 2 know

balmy condor
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any tier list right now

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is absolutely worthless

sand pewter
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tier lists especially for like beta is crazy

neat bison
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Yeah agreed

balmy condor
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wowmeta also has such riveting tier lists as "best server for raiding"

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which is just clickbait nonsense

neat bison
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Interested to know when they release now I’m anxious and interested to switch from assas if it comes to it

smoky bluff
sand pewter
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sin will probably be fine, its been a safe pick for so long

balmy condor
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im serious btw

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linking wowmeta is filtered

neat bison
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Yeah it has

balmy condor
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mod will delete it

smoky bluff
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i use ravenholdt for guides to, check the other site list to have some idea on the dps beta ranks

balmy condor
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yeah the whole point though is that dps beta ranks are throwing a dart into a lake

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no dart board in sight

drifting cloud
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potatometa literally uses wipe logs to make the rankings btw if youre wondering why its utter shit

neat bison
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Hahaha

sand pewter
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yeah kyrian was the worst covenant spell by a mile and now its the best

drifting cloud
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beside the whole theres been literal 100 balance changes since

sand pewter
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sin could be the same tomorrow

balmy condor
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yup

surreal solar
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going Night Fae at this point, unless they ever decide to rez Bone Spike

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and they wont

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so, more lore, more free stuff, more interesting backgrounds, with dialogue volume at 0

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shut up butterfree

neat bison
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Christ, it’s tough to keep up with these changes. I’ll have to keep checking in lol

sand pewter
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is there a place to talk about sin changes for pvp or is that just here?

surreal solar
sand pewter
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yeah seems like most of that chat is still on bfa pvp though

balmy condor
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that's cause they don't know what's gonna happen yet

surreal solar
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^

balmy condor
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meta won't develop until a month or so in

sand pewter
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fair

balmy condor
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and they don't even have sims and shit to compare

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its the blind leading the slightly educated guesses of the blind

sand pewter
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im just thinking covenant wise, I really liked the cc-immune bone shield conduit

surreal solar
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yeh, nobody will know that stuff till like, a week into SL

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all we can do atm is speculate

slim jay
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tettles tier list is flawless

split grail
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So I'm sure this has been linked a million times, but is there a pre-patch rotation I can check out somewhere?

balmy condor
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same as current TB rotation

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maintain snd

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don't use shiv

split grail
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So I maintain snd as well as rupture now?

balmy condor
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and garrote

split grail
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right

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ty

balmy condor
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np

split grail
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And why don't I use shiv? Sorry

balmy condor
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cause it doesn't have the tb effect till level 56

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and that means its worthless

split grail
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Thanks again

balmy condor
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np

shrewd ether
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what is TB and SND?

balmy condor
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toxic blade

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slice and dice

shrewd ether
#

ok ok thanks bro ❤️

balmy condor
#

yup yup

split grail
#

And blindside is now more like a passive that procs unstealthed ambush?

balmy condor
#

ye

split grail
#

Wow, you've been very helpful. Last time I tried to ask questions the rogue disc was just a toxic cesspool

balmy condor
#

:) that's what I try to avoid

#

sin has been a very comfy channel for the last couple months

#

its quite nice

split grail
#

Hmm...according to wowhead elaborate planning is looking better than blindside anyway

balmy condor
#

in prepatch yes

#

we still have memory of lucid dreams in prepatch

versed mica
#

pretty sure blindside is purely better ST in slands tho

balmy condor
#

so the free energy and stuff isn't worth all that much all things considered

#

and EP uptime is fairly high

#

in shadowlands when we lose the essences, the extra stats, and our azerite traits

#

the spec slows down significantly

#

EP uptime goes down

#

and blindside gets better

versed mica
#

Whispyr how are you not a community figure yet

#

You're here chatting more than the other sin people lmao

balmy condor
#

@shrewd night bullies me

versed mica
#

makes sense

split grail
#

So in prepatch should I not worry about ambush since we still open with garrote?

balmy condor
#

well you'll either play MA

#

in which case you'll open with ambush

#

or you'll play subt with SS traits just like you are now

#

in which case you would garrote rup garrote since you have SS

#

the third option is you run subt without SS traits

#

in which case you would garrote once, and ambush twice

split grail
#

Sorry for the dumb: But MA SS and subt?

balmy condor
#

which of those ends up being the way to go depends on how tuning shakes out

#

Ma and subt are the talents in the second row

split grail
#

Ah

balmy condor
#

the crit one on the right, and the garrote one in the middle respectively

#

SS is the azerite trait shrouded suffocation

fallow otter
#

Or the German special forces

balmy condor
drifting cloud
#

not false

balmy condor
#

I mean, in the past yes

fallow otter
#

Anyway

#

Conduits system improving so that's good

#

Now when we get a new drop at least we will be able to put it in straight away

grizzled jay
#

can't believe Whispyr is tricking people

#

into thinking he's not toxic

#

that's a skill

balmy condor
#

now I won't respond to your dm's just out of spite

grizzled jay
#

you already weren't

fallow otter
#

Doing a triple carry for nzoth tonight

#

Have to actually rely on one of them to neck

#

We'll get him to do the first one but... This could go tits up

#

Speaking of tits up

#

Are you guys actually going to play sin in pre patch

balmy condor
#

yes cause I don't care :D

fallow otter
#

Goin the full commit

balmy condor
#

I'll probably tinker with sub though

#

I've always enjoyed sub

fallow otter
#

Yeh it's fun

#

Fun is fun

balmy condor
#

but I end up coming back to sin eventually

fallow otter
#

Vop major 2322221 seems like the most "fun"

balmy condor
#

really

#

23?

#

32 seems much more fun

fallow otter
#

Yeh but ismt it just worse

balmy condor
#

well yeah

#

but we're having fun

#

:)

fallow otter
#

Ok well combining fun and upper tier spec

#

Because you can play alot

#

From your results

balmy condor
#

yeah

fallow otter
#

I didn't see how much worse 32 is though iirc

balmy condor
#

its pretty bad

#

3 in general just is strictly worse

fallow otter
#

Yeh

#

If I'm playing sin is so my brain can switch off, I tho ill go the sub direction for fun

#

Gonna need like IQ the same number as the temperature in the room for prepatch

#

Which makes me sad

glacial timber
#

cant believe we are going into another expansion with almost the exact toolkit and talent tree

#

i dont thinki current ass rogue gameplay is bad or asking for a rework, but just seems weird to me

balmy condor
#

yeah sin has been the same since mop

fallow otter
#

Well i like the execute ring and dashing but you can add them to the same old shit pile aswell and obv ma legend

glacial timber
#

sometimes i think i have made the same talent choices since the legion prepatch

low girder
#

not quite, VR was good in legion

#

other than that row it's been pretty static

glacial timber
#

vr?

low girder
#

venom rush

glacial timber
#

oh

balmy condor
#

VR was on the last row in legion

#

poison bomb was passive

low girder
#

yeah true

glacial timber
#

i see blizz gave outlaw rogues the artifact ability back

#

wish it was the same for us

low girder
#

it's extremely bad for them

balmy condor
#

yeah like its awful

glacial timber
#

really liked that kingslayer poison

low girder
#

it's on the same tier as venom rush

#

basically

balmy condor
#

kingslayer is just toxic blade

#

there's no gameplay difference

glacial timber
#

the last tick made me coom

#

i remember it had a cd and poison applications reducing it, just thought it was cool

low girder
#

the cd reduction from poisons just made it sync with TB

#

essentially

drifting cloud
#

yeah it evened out to about what the tb cd is 😛

fallow otter
#

Fs in the chat for tb

#

Rip

glacial timber
#

F

fallow otter
#

So many rippers

#

Now that I think about it

#

Makes me feel sad

#

I really like the global locked sin playstyle

#

CT single target

#

Even though it's stupid

#

It's still fun af

#

Except when xanesh parries it

opaque latch
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
outer condor
#

conduit discussion confuses me

#

can we just get dual spec back

balmy condor
#

What’s confusing about conduits

outer condor
#

no not conduits themselves as a system

#

rather the whole thing about them being restricted to x changes per time

balmy condor
#

Idk man, blizz I guess

#

One a day is probably fine though

#

Unless you’re playing every spec every day, in which case rip

outer condor
#

well even if you dual main

#

you're kinda fucked aren't you

balmy condor
#

I personally don’t get why they’re hanging onto it

#

If you play 2 specs you’d just have a weaker soulbind setup for one

#

And the conduits would be fine

outer condor
#

I personally don’t get why they’re hanging onto it
feels like a gacha mindset

#

would be funny if they ended up adding a microtransaction to skip the timegate

balmy condor
#

They won’t

outer condor
#

i know

#

it'd be too much

wooden gull
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
forest nacelle
#

is exsanquinate still gunna be a thing?

shrewd night
#

No

rocky ruin
#

@forest nacelle alacrity is gonna BIS in the row nothing can beat it

forest nacelle
#

got it

shadow tulip
#

Not enough haste now to be viable

balmy condor
#

It’s mostly losing SS tbh

#

It’s viable in prepatch even with like 35% haste

#

But once traits and essences go away it gets really bad

tough skiff
#

wait so streamers are telling us kyrian is the worst covenant

#

and here is simming #1

vestal wren
#

tell him that he has no idea

#

esp. with the bug there is nothing that would make kyrian bad

#

and given almost every streamer is exploiting the er bug to an extreme its hard to make a argument to pick anything else

balmy condor
#

^

tough skiff
#

what bug? so is going to get fixed nerfed?

balmy condor
#

You can lock it so every finisher is 7cp basically

vestal wren
#

!bugs

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
#

first bug

balmy condor
#

And of course it’s gonna get fixed

#

Cause it’s crazy

#

And clearly not intended

tough skiff
#

once they fix that kyrian will be at the bottom then

balmy condor
#

No

obtuse anvil
#

Lol no

balmy condor
#

The sims don’t account for the bug

tough skiff
#

well but not the #1

balmy condor
#

So kyrian is still the strongest

#

It’s just amplified by the bug on beta even more

vestal wren
#

^ they would need to nerf pelagos to make covenant picks closer

obtuse anvil
#

It's like how akaaris was super busted

#

But fixing it didn't dumpster sub

vestal wren
#

akaari is still super busted

delicate bone
#

kyrian will still be on top for sure

obtuse anvil
#

Supererer busted

vestal wren
#

its still a ~20% damage increase because of deeper dagger

#

what is way over budget

balmy condor
#

Deeper daggers needs a fix, kyrian needs a fix

#

And there needs to be some soul bind tuning

#

People are just overhyping beta

#

When we got a ton more changes coming over the next month or two

#

Beta is in a way, meant to be broken and buggy

tough skiff
#

if rogues are abusing it right now in beta blizz may nerf kyrian to the ground

balmy condor
#

And people tend to jump on it and go

#

OH MY GOD SUPER OP ROGUE SUB DAMAGE OMEGA GIGA SUPER BUSTED

vestal wren
#

we will very likely see:

  • covenant tuning
  • legendary tuning
  • conduit tuning
  • soulbind changes
  • basline changes/tuning for specs
tough skiff
#

they never fix stuff they nerf

balmy condor
#

The covenant tuning is actually quite good

#

For rogues

#

Like they’ve been surprisingly accurate with nerfs and buffs compared to usually

vestal wren
#

they did covenant changes last 2 weeks

balmy condor
#

They just need to tweak some more

vestal wren
#

not sure if covenant tuning is "done" and any of the other points is next

tough skiff
#

when we can expect SL first week of december?

vestal wren
#

peeposhrug depends how fast blizz can fix all bugs and tune shit after

balmy condor
#

And when blizzard decides to release it

vestal wren
#

they likely try to release it as soon as possible

tough skiff
#

I dont want to resub for a long prepatch SucksMan

balmy condor
#

Then don’t

vestal wren
#

with the condition that they need to have some tuning/fixes applied

#

more or less in a more finished state

tough skiff
#

this prepatch have 2 weeks of content right?

vestal wren
#

e.g. having 2 weeks to do final tuning seems reasonable for me

#

pre patch has 3 weeks of content

balmy condor
#

“Content” is kinda a vague term

#

3 weeks of achieve farming yeah

#

3 weeks of actual new content, probably not

tough skiff
#

gated quests

vestal wren
#

final tuning does mean that soulbinds, conduits, covenants and legendary items are somewhat reasonable tuned

#

i mean pre patch content is less then one day if we don't count farming

balmy condor
#

Ye

tough skiff
#

im only excited for the 34 or 32 spot bag in this prepatch kekw

balmy condor
#

Prepatch is just achieves+unobtainables

burnt ledge
#

aren't they putting a verion of the haunted memento back in too?

balmy condor
#

The actual “content” is basically class changes

#

Yeah

#

2020 haunted memento and a 34 slot bag

#

Probably a pet or two and some transmog

#

The usual stuff

tough skiff
#

for horde we already have the mog for alliance a new tint

burnt ledge
#

ALLIANCE BIAS YET AGAIN 😄

royal lantern
#

saying alliance bias, even ironic is pretty yikes when they allready get fucked every single patch

wild glacier
#

!guide

prisma monolithBOT
winter gale
#

Make Assa great again

warm olive
#

is it correct that haste in prepatch is the worst of all stats?

balmy condor
#

No

#

Well

#

Sorta depends

#

If you’re giga haste right now, there’s a good chance it will be

warm olive
#

i have the usual all haste raid build

balmy condor
#

Then it’ll probably be bad, yea

#

Already having a lot of haste, and then alacrity devaluing haste

warm olive
#

ok, will raidbots be updated for prepatch or is shadowlands next

balmy condor
#

It’ll update for both

warm olive
#

thx

balmy condor
#

The only reason you can’t sim it right now it cause there’s a stat/ilvl squish and class changes

#

But once that happens on prepatch

#

It’ll be just like shadowlands

grim jay
#

I'm really positively surprised that blizz didnt pull some conduit stuff like with DKs

#

where they literally nerfed the base ability compared to bfa by the same amount of what the conduit actually gives you if you slot it

#

and are willing to sell that

#

tho I kinda dont feel some sin conduits

austere grove
#

any updates on the new beta build?

low girder
quaint sequoia
#

wait they nerfing sin, wtf?

austere grove
#

we got nerfed?

low girder
#

all the rogue legendaries got nerfed basically

#

across all the specs

quaint sequoia
#

rip

low girder
#

except maybe the rotten if i'm reading it correctly

jolly comet
balmy condor
#

Zoldyck looking real good now

low girder
#

yeah probably the most unscathed

austere grove
#

which one is that?

quaint sequoia
#

why are they fucking over rogues

balmy condor
#

Execute poison

austere grove
#

thanks

low girder
#

2s on MA is omegalul

#

might hurt sin the most tbh

balmy condor
#

Indirect sepsis buff cause zoldyck?

Oh wait, covenant abilities just don’t interact with anything

low girder
#

they're rogue spells

#

except when they're not

balmy condor
#

True

#

Ma gives you 100%

#

BUT NOT TO EVERYTHING

rocky ruin
#

Reactivating Flagellation cleanses their torment, increasing your 10%Haste by 0.5% per stack up to a maximum of 20% for 25 sec.

low girder
#

it's prolly unusable in m+ now

rocky ruin
#

better then nothing

low girder
#

subt isn't even done

#

when it ends

#

yeah the haste is something

balmy condor
#

Yeah MA is actual rubbish

rocky ruin
#

well 2 sec it means 1 mutilate gg

balmy condor
#

Technically 1 mut and 1 envenom

#

Poggers

low girder
#

unless you have bad ping

#

rip

balmy condor
#

Should spell queue properly unless it’s like 1500 ping

low girder
#

true

rocky ruin
#

well yeah or 1 shiv and 1 envenom

crimson palm
#

whoever is balancing assa

#

has serious alcohol problems

rocky ruin
#

the shortest ma window ever of all time

balmy condor
#

Shiv in ma window

#

Yikes

#

Definitively not that

low girder
#

i mean you'd be subt so probably just the mut

#

on ST

#

idk seems bad now

#

hopefully there's a basekit buff later

#

that's kinda the only one i'm upset about

balmy condor
#

well

low girder
#

otherwise leggo nerfs are whatever

balmy condor
#

time to rebuild simc I guess

low girder
#

lol

rocky ruin
#

subt is subterfuge right?

balmy condor
#

yes

rocky ruin
#

well im more happy if they buff the base dmg of garrote

jolly comet
#

would be cool if they put in shrouded suff somehow

#

but i had enough fun in BFA with it

rocky ruin
#

what does really do dmg for us in beta right now?

balmy condor
#

melee and poison

low girder
#

idk i will miss SS but adding more shit to subt is not the answer

rocky ruin
#

so Slice and Dice

balmy condor
#

yep

fleet whale
#

holy hell they nuked those leggos

#

on the plus side, flag looks better for sin

low girder
#

better for all prolly

honest vessel
#

more fun too

low girder
#

ended up being 2% mastery for sub

#

didn't do anything

rocky ruin
#

so 30% haste (flag and alacrity)

#

with the new update

fleet whale
#

yeah flag looks juicy for sin

peak swift
#

flag is flat haste??

balmy condor
#

% haste

rocky ruin
#

does haste speed AA up too?

balmy condor
#

yes

low girder
#

it speeds up everything

#

well

rocky ruin
#

well more AA too

quaint sequoia
#

nerf to soulbinds aswell

low girder
#

kind of everything*

peak swift
#

well, flat haste will make it too strong, i guess

quaint sequoia
#

they will just have 2 potency conduits now

low girder
#

flat haste would be bad

shadow tulip
#

RIP bone spike feelscryman

low girder
#

because of the stat tax

balmy condor
#

bone spike?

#

bone spike got unchanged

glacial timber
#

they nerfed the legendaries i wanted noooooo

balmy condor
#

I mean

#

they nerfed basically all of them

fleet whale
#

bloodfang didn't get nerfed

#

and got a healing buff

balmy condor
#

poggers

#

bloodfang

glacial timber
#

dont care about all, just a few

balmy condor
quaint sequoia
#

Now both my goto classes are dogshit

balmy condor
#

well

#

I wouldn't say that

fleet whale
#

i mean bloodfang might be viable now

balmy condor
#

they'll tune it back up probably

glacial timber
#

new sub aoe finisher be like

peak swift
#

i think they will let legendaries be low so a 100% diff will be 2% dps

fleet whale
#

sub rogue is ninja fantasy

lunar pelican
#

Oof. That MA nerf is something else.

glacial timber
surreal solar
#

so we all go play lock now yes?

glacial timber
#

hmmm that one is kinda nice

#

i hate having no healing other than a now nerfed Crimson vial

fleet whale
#

leeching poison

last root
#

2 second ma

fleet whale
#

our MA talent is 3 seconds

glacial timber
#

yeah that one is the worst

#

i miss my best legion leg

#

oh wow, they changed flagellation again

low girder
#

yeah flag seems pretty strong now

#

we'll see when simc rebuilds

balmy condor
#

I'm running sims right now

#

legendaries first

low girder
#

i imagine you might have to play with APL for MA now

balmy condor
#

yeah

low girder
#

but it'll still suck

balmy condor
#

but it'll give an idea

#

probably

low girder
#

😦

lunar pelican
#

I imagine sepsis is gonna tank with the change to MA.

low girder
#

sepsis didn't use MA on ST

surreal solar
#

^

#

sepsis ran other things

low girder
#

only in dungeons

balmy condor
#

sepsis m+ i guess

low girder
#

yeah prolly shit

#

sadly

glacial timber
#

so hmmm is bone spike the worst one now?

balmy condor
#

has been since nerfs last week

#

only covenant that changed this week was flag

surreal solar
#

this weeks changes were legendary nukes

hollow ether
#

the speed of conversation in this channel compared to sub is indicative of the slower paced gameplay of assassination

balmy condor
#

aight

glacial timber
#

hmmmm i see

peak swift
#

@hollow ether 40 apm max

glacial timber
#

if bs stays the same then ill probably go to Revendreth now

#

and leave my dk on maldraxxus

balmy condor
#

Dashing looking not great

#

zoldyck looking value town

#

MA looking rip

low girder
#

is it like

#

really ahead

#

or ahead like dashing was

balmy condor
#

I'm resimming with %'s

#

cause im monki

low girder
#

kk

#

lmao

peak swift
#

i just wish dashing is the best

balmy condor
#

they're all close

#

without covenants at least

low girder
#

aight i was a little too sky is falling on MA then maybe

#

though i guess that's ST

glacial timber
#

oh wow

#

they are really close to each other

peak swift
#

wow, thats shit imo

balmy condor
#

zoldyck will pull away once I add conduits here in a second

#

I'm gonna sim kyrian

kindred cliff
#

doomblade?

peak swift
#

such a small increase to dps with leggos

kindred cliff
#

What is that

surreal solar
#

mut does small bleed

#

over 9 sec

balmy condor
low girder
#

ye

#

but doesn't scale with any conduits

#

so it'll fall off

surreal solar
#

weren't we poking 3k prenerf?

#

oh wai

#

pins say 2.7

low girder
#

that's base with no conduits

#

or covenants

balmy condor
#

yeah

low girder
#

the pins have both

#

and soulbinds

karmic cedar
#

All soulbinds now only have 2 potency conduits

#

Not sure how that affects things

low girder
#

a bit, but less than the nerfs

honest vessel
#

more finesse/endurance 😄

#

i love to see it

surreal solar
#

fuu's pin had us using 2potency anyways

balmy condor
#

yeah

#

the pins need to be redone

#

he's asleep though

#

so I'm hoping to finish all the sin stuff so he doesn't have to do it all in the morning :)

#

even though he'll just end up redoing all of my work anyway

brave lagoon
#

Do we wanna laugh or cry rn?

balmy condor
honest vessel
#

what a thoughtful boi

balmy condor
#

well

#

hold on

surreal solar
#

he may redo less of it tho, with whispyr supporting

balmy condor
#

what is this

#

I think I fucked up

#

blizzard.... got it right?

#

this is kyrian lethal poison 7 and pelagos

low girder
#

doomblade besad

balmy condor
#

its an error margin of 8 dps

peak swift
#

lol

balmy condor
#

the top 3 are all within margin

low girder
#

yeah

#

which means zoldyck wins prolly

balmy condor
#

most likely considering the strength in prog

#

aight

#

taking requests

surreal solar
#

so

#

nerf not so bad?

low girder
#

also doomblade sucks in aoe

#

so there's that

balmy condor
#

what are we curios about

lunar pelican
#

How’s new flag looking?

hoary ivy
#

how does assassin actually feel on beta rn, obviously acknowledging that nobody has played with the changes from today yet

low girder
#

sepsis in MA in dungeonslice for me

balmy condor
#

sin feels like sin

#

aight flag and then sepsis DS sims

low girder
#

curious how bad the dmg is

hoary ivy
#

sin feels like sin
@balmy condor i'm just starting rogue is this good or bad

lunar pelican
#

Thx!

balmy condor
#

its slow

#

but its nice

peak swift
#

im curious about flag

balmy condor
#

then again

#

you're asking a channel of sin rogues

#

so

hoary ivy
#

yeah

#

that's fair

jolly comet
#

sin is always slow at the start of an expac

balmy condor
#

it's just notoriously slow

jolly comet
#

with no haste

low girder
#

feels like pre8.3 memes sin*

balmy condor
#

and juggles debuffs

#

if that's what you like

#

then its good

low girder
#

we're faster now than we were in uldir

#

btw

balmy condor
#

true

jolly comet
#

oh for sure

low girder
#

not really a haste thing

#

anymore

hoary ivy
#

i don't hate slow, i don't want like...fury warrior speed in my life anymore

lunar pelican
#

Then sin will be perfect for you

subtle drift
#

@balmy condor i'd like Venthyr sims, since we got conduit for it now

#

Or covenants differences in general now

balmy condor
#

yup yup

honest vessel
#

we love whispyr

balmy condor
#

working on it

subtle drift
#

Thanks

surreal solar
#

yeah, covenants would be ideal next hit

peak swift
#

@balmy condor kiss me :x

lunar pelican
#

Things speed up as we gain more haste, but it’s never hectic

rapid mirage
#

Sin going Vrenthyr after this patch? Did they make it any better? Been testing sub alot

low girder
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

been like an hour, whispyr's working on it

hoary ivy
#

saying all the right things....ya love to see it

low girder
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we didn't get any base tuning though so expect sub to be a lot stronger atm

rapid mirage
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Sin 4 life, i expect it to bounce back, it's so much fun in M+

balmy condor
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I should just set up a mega copy paste sim with like 3000 profiles