the consensus here atm is necro or slaughter
#assassination
balmy condor
night fae just has interesting implications with stealth legendaries
how that actually ends up doing realistically is hard to judge
tired cipher
What's the advantage of slaughter for the spec then? Just cheesing some boss mechanics?
balmy condor
it does big dam
tired cipher
huh maybe I misread something then, I could have sworn it had the same damage numbers as ambush
or wait, does Slaughter poison stack with deadly?
balmy condor
I'm pretty sure the slaughter poison itself also is stronger than deadly
unless they still haven't fixed that
iron valve
it's not
balmy condor
unlucky
iron valve
I think it maybe scaled with the conduit but unclear if that's intended
balmy condor
yeah
strange python
But once they do it should be stronger
balmy condor
slaughter has some big question marks atm
tired cipher
does seem weird to have a Covenant ability that's just objectively less of a benefit to one spec
strange python
i mean it clearly was designed to be a stronger version of deadly poison
balmy condor
atm bone spike is just so overbearing that nothing else seems viable
slaughter is curious
grizzled jay
bone spike only good in cleave
balmy condor
and the healing is huge for pvp
grizzled jay
half of nathria is ST
tired cipher
yeah I'm mostly planning on pushing M+ and then just doing heroic raiding so it seems like the cleave is too good to pass up
grizzled jay
bone spike isn't that good in M+ because things don't live very long
balmy condor
grizzled jay
its good on the opener due to the burst, but all the conduits give some burst
tired cipher
also it's nice to see that tooltips have somehow gotten worse, not sure it says anywhere the blindside interacts with Slaughter
grizzled jay
the strength of bone spike is if targets live long enough to get 4, 5, 6 3+ fractures
balmy condor
blindside gives ambush
grizzled jay
Slaughter is like Condemn but doesn't replace Ambush like Condemn replaces Execute
doesn't make sense to me
i guess its because SS and Ambush are difference
so it cant replace SS
tired cipher
see that is absolutely what the tooltips say, but according to https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=121153/blindside in the current build it also affects Slaughter in the same way
balmy condor
^
misty hemlock
is there a good resource i can read up on rogue in SL? like how it looks rn compared to current
prisma monolithBOT
Shadowlands release: 56 days 2 hours 49 minutes 26 seconds
drifting cloud
sloots show has a decent overview but yeah its not in written form
also kinda long 😛
marble fjord
it could still go any way
sub still gunna get nerfed to death so we've got that to look forward to 
balmy condor
The only thing that needs nerfed is the legendary tbh
Sub as a base class seems pretty decent
marble fjord
there's loads of broken interactions and stuff like that giving mixed ideas of whats actually good
polar epoch
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
thorny pond
Late to the party, slaughter is not replacing Ambush because Sub doesn't have ambush but all warrior have execute
Seems the concensus is that nobody knows because tuning and bugs.
Blindside procing slaughter is nice but feels bad because then we are shoehorned into a talent build over a covenant
balmy condor
I mean, that's bound to happen
nightfae shoehorns us into legendary and talent builds probably
they also all force conduits of some kind here and there
thorny pond
Absolutely. Worst case scenario is everyone falls for sub then it gets bashed into the face again.
So we've all picked a covenant that's subpar for sin or outlaw and are behind on a lego
remote oriole
when do you pop lustrous plumage? 2nd burst?
balmy condor
macro it to vendetta and forget about it
shadow wedge
dull crypt
think if you want to be ocd about it daddy sim says to pop it between first and second garrote but me not sure
balmy condor
I would think you pop on application of first garrote
fleet whale
blindside should be made baseline
but i guess blizz thinks that it would make EP too good
quick creek
i just enjoy the playstyle with blindside, so if blindside with slaughter is a thing i'll be happpy
remote oriole
ive been popping galecallers with vendetta...oh no
balmy condor
that's fine too
as long as you cast it again 1 min later
the difference between macroing plume/gale to vendetta and casting it perfectly on the second that the sim dictates is probably quantifiable by order to tens of dps
its so so minor
remote oriole
ok ty ty i'll try the plume+vendetta see how it compares
sweet inlet
heya, just wondered if there has been much testing of assa in SL M+ so far? or if there was somewhere i can research about this myself?
balmy condor
the testing of sin is " 🅱️one spike"
followed by "wow this sucks"
and then into "lets play sub :)"
sweet inlet
😢
how does sub feel to play when compared to legion? that was the last time i played it and LOVED it
wasn't a fan of it in BfA
sweet inlet
honestly i couldn't tell you, i just didn't like how it felt... as vague as that sounds... i couldn't pinpoint what exactly felt strange
balmy condor
well dfa isn't back
so that's one thing
but I would try it on ptr and see what you think tbh
dark crag
SL sub goes into the right direction. Kind of both ways of legion tos and bfa
sweet inlet
is SS-Eviscerate spam back?
balmy condor
always has been
dark crag
Storm eviscerate?
sweet inlet
🤔
sweet inlet
Storm evisc spam
balmy condor
sectec is just better in that row
fleet whale
storm evis spam isn't that much different from fok envenom spam
sweet inlet
that was one thing i liked about it, you have tons of aoe but it all stacked into your main target
balmy condor
the whole storm evisc is the same though
sweet inlet
so prio targets were never an issue
balmy condor
like that's the same its always been
sub gets aoe finishers now though
so if that's the fantasy you want to live
no that's not really happening
sweet inlet
nah they changed it so multi dotting nightblade was worth it which i didnt like
dont mind multi dotting rupture but nightblade feels so weak in comparison
sweet inlet
pog maybe i will like that then
fleet whale
yeah purple rupture is going to be gone
fleet whale
but the icon is still around... so if you really like the nightblade icon you can macro it into rupture
balmy condor
fleet whale
i use a macro to change the exsang icon
balmy condor
to what
fleet whale
i can't spell the name but the dagger that drops from the last boss in kara
basically that icon
Nightblade/gloomblade use the weapon model as well
jolly yoke
Malchazeen?
fleet whale
yeah that dagger
there is an icon that looks like it, and i just use exsang for it lol
the default esxsang icon is just some red ball... idk it just doesn't look that cool to me
jolly yoke
First thing I type on this server I get n-e-r-d reactioned. I am okay with this.
jolly yoke
Look, TBC was my peak in this game, I stick around out of habit more than anything else!
vital haven
latticwork scalpel
low girder
which one was that
balmy condor
mother
low girder
oh lol
vital haven
last fang of rezan
low girder
lol
vital haven
i just remember latticework scalple because it was the first mythic dagger i ever got lol
and it was a 395 dude
good times
surreal solar
Kingsbane tho? Best Dagger ever after the Fangs of Daddy
void pecan
rocky ibex
What could be the op covenant?
surreal solar
"could be" is any of them, currently pre tuning, is bone spike
balmy condor
so then we don't know
low girder
ask again on thursday
or the following thursday
or to not meme, ask after heroic week
then we'll know
somber egret
After heroic week 1 “beta test” I for see a max exodus to another covenant
balmy condor
usually how that goes
somber egret
I remember 300% exang
grizzled jay
i am probably sticking to whatever Covenant I choose unless there's some gross balance difference
but my choice atm is a pretty tough one
somber egret
After they nerf bone spike I imagine soulbinds and conduits will be more important that the ability but 🤷♂️
grizzled jay
im 33/33/33 on Kyrian/Night Fae/Venthyr atm
grizzled jay
that is not what i mean
low girder
fleet whale
kyrian has a very strong soulbind
balmy condor
kyrian is go next
grizzled jay
Kleia gets 3rd potency at Renown 13. So does Theotar. So those are pretty strong for Mythic week, potentially.
fleet whale
necrolord soulbinds are quite bad honestly
grizzled jay
Night Fae are the worst.
fleet whale
or at least not as good as the others
grizzled jay
3rd potency is at 24/27/28
lmao
just from a pure "early SL" viewpoint
2-3 months into expansion its a more even playing field once we are maxed Renown
grizzled jay
who will be the crazy person to max renown on all 4 covenants during 9.0 so if anything gets overly buffed they can go right to it for 9.1 raid
🙂
fleet whale
is potency conduit the one with the cross icon?
grizzled jay
the two swords
fleet whale
yeah that one
grizzled jay
Finesse is a lightning bolt. Endurance is a shield.
fleet whale
theotar gets all 3 at 13
grizzled jay
so does Kleia yes
those are the two earliest
as Sin we'd probably be using Theotar for Slaughter + 2nd potency. pretty strong.
fleet whale
where do you even get the slaughter conduit
fleet whale
since i'm liking blindside so much
i'm starting to like venthyr more and more lol
always my favorite look wise
grizzled jay
we're still waiting on if we can get R15 conduits in 9.0 or if we don't expect R15 til like 9.3 or what
cause Slaughter's strength is directly tied to its Conduit, will be good knowing when it 'turns on'./
fleet whale
kind of annoying that preach just made a vid and him and his friend think necrolord is the only option for rogue
when they didn't even look at the conduits/soulbinds
fleet whale
ST is useful in any raid
so if you dedicate your class to be fully optimal for ST
you'll still be fine for raid
a lot of youtubers i've noticed, the ones that don't really play rogue that much
don't realize that vanish is a much bigger cd for sin than it is for sub
surreal solar
isnt that cause sub gets basically 3 vanishes
grizzled jay
most people don't play rogue you gotta remember
its like the 2nd or 3rd least played class in high raid/m+
only Monk and maybe Shaman have less players lol
lofty fractal
He starts using the sword so yeah its not an interactable/damage target in p3
But i think it being such a multi-target fight in p2 might sway classes/specs
Classes that can do both well
lofty fractal
Its going to be longer than 30% because you're dealing with adds though
Maybe balanced out by the double damage
grizzled jay
it might be a long 30% time-wise but also the last 40% is a soft enrage
and so high ST matters there too
lofty fractal
Yeah dont get me wrong I think sub is looking really good for a lot of fights, but will just depend on the final boss is actually tuned
Especially sludgefist where sub gonna be able to have windows for each extra damage phase
grizzled jay
im more talking Bone Spike vs Slaughter rather than Sub vs Sin/Outlaw
lofty fractal
Ah, jumped in at the tail end there
leaden scarab
whats the reasoning some people are freaking out about slice and dice?
grizzled jay
people were confused and thought you needed to have a 100% uptime for snd as sin but you dont
leaden scarab
is it worth using as sin? and is rupture worth using as sub?
grizzled jay
you use SnD as Sin when it will deal the most damage for those CP. so it will take some "knowledge". but generally speaking you just use SnD when Rupture doesn't need to be re-applied (or if Garrote does but only when at 4 CP).
Rupture will be used with Sub until they get high ranks of Deeper Daggers Conduit
then you just spam Evis
leaden scarab
cool. thanks
lime junco
Apologies up front: been a rough time in my life was homeless and limited food but was trying to catch up on rogue updates in prep for shadowlands and I'm a bit confused =/
I thought the night fae cov looked like a pretty good/comparable ability
And I don't really like necrolord or venthyr though I acknowledge boneapike seemed kinda the best
balmy condor
night fae probably fine
lime junco
My question: is bonespike and slaughter that much further ahead of night fae?
I do high end raid (US25th) and limited m+ (usually what I need to maintain raid)
balmy condor
currently bone spike is ahead of everything
what it'll actually be
no one has any idea
lime junco
From impressions is it comically better?
lime junco
Sorry for the questions I havent been able to play/test because of my miserable real life situations but things are looking up and I'm trying to speed catch up for rogue info
Just hoping rogues still have spots in raid lol. DHs kinda took our spots
grizzled jay
rogues never really had spots to begin with
lime junco
Meh least the guilds I was in always had 1-2 rogues for melee
tropic ocean
Need robert downey jr rolls eyes emote desperately
tropic ocean
thats the perfect answer in 50% of cases
keen spruce
I just don't multi class, if there's a spot for rogue I play, or I sit on the bench until reclear lol
strange python
Where do you weave BoTE into your opener PvE ?
I've been using it right before I toxic blade into envenoms
Not sure if thats the best spot though
grizzled jay
@balmy condor we're getting to P2 consistently now 🙂
shy dust
grizzled jay
62% lowest pull now
shy dust
Get that CE
grizzled jay
getting close
shy dust
Secret phase is very easy
grizzled jay
yah just gotta get there
manic harness
fleet whale
necrolords smell bad
fallow otter
@grizzled jay just organising evokes atm?
grizzled jay
just people getting used to how they work
fallow otter
Do you have dhs in soak group
They only have like 0.5s window
Makes the soaks take a bit more
grave trail
Is BS the to go on beta if so is there a macro for mut/amb? Would hate to find a new key
vestal wren
/cast [stealth]Ambush; Mutilate should work
balmy condor
Really
crimson palm
wont work
vestal wren
@crimson palm works with a slight change.
/cast [stealth]Ambush; Mutilate```Well the slight change makes all the diff 😄
vestal wren
true
grizzled jay
i just replaced TB keybind with Ambush
balmy condor
But shiv
grizzled jay
is on my Shiv keybind
vestal wren
shiv does nothing on ptr
balmy condor
Your poor muscle memory
crimson palm
personally i'd just add an alt modifier
on the spell that's cast rarely
im pretty sure you're either casting ambush or mut
balmy condor
Y’all don’t have every button imaginable bound with shift mods?
vestal wren
shift is the only mod i use
crimson palm
what you doing with your thumb then 😄
vestal wren
and, ass yu see i haven't set up my bars on assassination on ptr ^^
crimson palm
only button access it has is zxc space and alt
balmy condor
Gotta go for jump parse
crimson palm
kek
crimson palm
well nature had to compensate somewhere 
fallow otter
Yeh is bound to jump like a real man
balmy condor
Well yeah
fallow otter
Lol
balmy condor
You’re literally a poisonous gas cloud
fallow otter
Sacrilege
low girder
Jump is an important part of my dps rotation as a sin player
Can't afford to fuck it up
shrewd night
Imagine not having modifiers on your movement keys
fallow otter
Shift space for distract
shrewd night
whispyr just sleeping on these 900 iq points
fallow otter
Im going to have to find tune for SL I think
grizzled jay
i use wasd but esdf is objectively better
low girder
Yeah I have some work to do
fallow otter
Snd cough sucks cough looks like it's going to go on my rtb bind for example
grizzled jay
having to re-teach all these bad Sin rogues one forum post at a time is a full-time job
low girder
CT is on 5 currently, snd will prolly go there and CT will go somewhere else when I take it
grizzled jay
about how SnD is not a maintenance buff
balmy condor
fallow otter
its on my bind for rup/rtb
@grizzled jay where does rup go then?
balmy condor
G is for Gkick
fallow otter
about how SnD is not a maintenance buff
@grizzled jay it is for sure
grizzled jay
it definitely isn't
fallow otter
It's junk
I've made this clear already so I don't feel like doing it again
I don't hate it for sub
But it's still a maintenance buff for all 3
Im sure people are sick of hearing me say it lol
grizzled jay
your personal feelings doesn't change the definition of mechanics in WoW
fallow otter
So why do you think battleshout lasts an hour now?
grizzled jay
maintenance buffs are things that are essential to the flow and dps of your spec. snd provides energy for sub and outlaw, therefore it is a maintenance buff because dropping it is not just damage, but damage and energy. for assassination it is only damage, therefore you do not need to maintain it. you only press it when it gives you the most damage.
you would not press snd when rupture is about to expire
you would not press snd during a TB window
therefore it is not a maintenance buff for Sin
fallow otter
When baseline is having the buff, it's a problem
shrewd night
The only universal button I have is A for interrupt
grizzled jay
a for ainterrupt
fallow otter
F
low girder
Are you esdf
shrewd night
qwes
low girder
Ah
grizzled jay
ive never unbound movement keys, but we also don't have a lot of skills anyways that need that many binds
grave trail
Use your exsang key
@balmy condor good advice but exang is Shiv and CT is SnD
glacial steppe
garrote on 2 gang
low girder
Rip
glacial steppe
ofc on 1
glacial steppe
wdym e for eCloak of shadows
low girder
E is fok for me
fallow otter
Haha
grizzled jay
lemme post my keybinds again they are 5Head
fallow otter
R for AOE
grizzled jay
you can copy me if you want
low girder
Lol
grizzled jay
these are the best binds on the net
balmy condor
Vendetta on Q
low girder
Shift 2
fallow otter
Haha what the fuck
glacial steppe
Vendetta on R for absolute Rasur
shrewd night
Pro players like poisonballs have fok on |
low girder
The fuck is shift h
grizzled jay
Bag of Tricks
fallow otter
E is my most spammed key for all classes, so it's mut
Ctrl+E is vendetta
grizzled jay
think im going to move Distract to - and make Alt-2 Covenant signature ability
swift timber
I have shadowstep on E and vendetta on R 
glacial steppe
grizzled jay
mmo mouse
fallow otter
Z stealth pogchamp crew
balmy condor
Okay wait
grave trail
vendetta is D for me
balmy condor
You’re gonna make fun of me for vendetta on Q
grave trail
D for Vendetta
grave trail
stealth is S
low girder
Stealth on F
grizzled jay
i thought i had z bound to sit still but i guess not. i bound stealth to it i guess
low girder
What's up
grizzled jay
see if i can remember it
balmy condor
F is for VFanish
swift timber
I have vanish on shift f
fallow otter
i thought i had z bound to sit still but i guess not. i bound stealth to it i guess
@grizzled jay my man
grizzled jay
why would F be kick
low girder
X kick
sullen pagoda
using important key like that for stealth oof
grave trail
@crimson palm works with a slight change.
/cast [stealth]Ambush; Mutilate```
@vestal wren this legit works?
grizzled jay
why would X be kick wtf
fallow otter
F is kick
@glacial steppe yesss
low girder
Yeah it's dumb LOL
sullen pagoda
stealth is shift A obviously
grizzled jay
how often are you kicking
balmy condor
Yes that works @grave trail
glacial steppe
often
low girder
A lot
glacial steppe
because im a good dps
balmy condor
On cooldown
grizzled jay
i kick psychus like 3 times then im good
balmy condor
For prydaz proc
low girder
Especially when I was pvp main
crimson palm
fallow otter
All the time coz i m+
balmy condor
I’m washed
sullen pagoda
its like that mage pvp streamer with ctrl 6 ice block jesus man
low girder
That's my excuse for q cloak
glacial steppe
what if i told you that my on use trinkets have different bind for outlaw and assa
grizzled jay
i can def hit shift-2 as fast as X lmao
fallow otter
Spending combo points on an attacked speed buff 2021, 22, 23 fml
balmy condor
What if I told you that I’ve had TB and Exsang on different buttons since prepatch legion
They all laughed
But now it’s a reality
You fools
grizzled jay
listen you need to just copy my binds they are the way
low girder
I didn't macro it until 8.3
grizzled jay
my Rupture is already prepped for SL even
low girder
To swap
grizzled jay
sullen pagoda
rupture is on S for me
vestal wren
@grave trail watch the short clip
glacial steppe
@balmy condor same button but no talent macro so i often ended up forgetting to drag either TB or EX into my bar and did 0 dps
balmy condor
I do that with my on use :(
balmy condor
Wdym
grizzled jay
@vestal wren yes but does that use Ambush > Mutilate with a Blindside proc
grizzled jay
cause that's what we need
balmy condor
low girder
Feels like trash lol
grizzled jay
you just replace ambush with mutilate on your bars in stealth lol we'd never use mutilate except with MA right
(from stealth)
well even then
the +1CP is prob not worth the dip in AP
grave trail
you have a bind for plumage? O_o guess you use it for m+?
grizzled jay
im crit
balmy condor
Yeah I bind my plumage to a key
low girder
I just have a trinket macro bind
balmy condor
For m+
grizzled jay
i always have T for on-use
and because binding it to vendetta means one tick of garrote misses the vers
3Head to bind it to vendetta
glacial steppe
@grizzled jay not true, i remember something with double mut out of vanish with subterfuge during opener, but maybe it was just outdated api
fallow otter
I just have a trinket macro bind
@low girder what about for font gcb
glacial steppe
oh idk i didnt touch or look at rogue yet
low girder
I had to make a new bind when it was font coral
balmy condor
Precast from character menu for font
low girder
I was sad
balmy condor
low girder
Lol
glacial steppe
YO our disc priest clicked his cds
grave trail
i do same for cloak
glacial steppe
he had a action bar midscreen
fallow otter
I know people
balmy condor
Is your disc priest @dire spoke
glacial steppe
with his cds
grave trail
corrup cloak
low girder
I click shroud
grizzled jay
i do too
low girder
Pretty much it
normal olive
stop flaming my disc priest 
grizzled jay
and poisons
grave trail
i have like 3 giant buttons for when i dont feel like binding something thats barely used
grizzled jay
and pot
low girder
Well yeab
grizzled jay
dmg pot, not heal pot
grizzled jay
Shift-Z for heal pot
low girder
Just shroud and poisons
normal olive
Whispyr not everyone has 300 iq like you
normal olive
I used to press 4 buttons and clicked everything else 
grizzled jay
especially with a 5m cd on healing pots now lmao
balmy condor
My IQ is so high, it integer overflowed into the negatives
low girder
normal olive
My IQ is so high i stoped playing wow for New World
grave trail
yikes
fallow otter
RIP scrolls for m+ etc
glacial steppe
low girder
Does someone need to step up and post opener tests
balmy condor
No
grizzled jay
how often do you use healthstone that it's on C wtf
balmy condor
We have enough of those
low girder
Lol
normal olive
I'll no longer provide openers until SL
normal olive
grizzled jay
not better
normal olive
Splitter understands
grizzled jay
new world looks hella cringe
normal olive
mine is on Y tho for Yeah i can skip mechanics and take dmg
low girder
Hpots are on the button I don't know where it is in phone
grizzled jay
`?
low girder
Yeah
low girder
And stones on shift that
grizzled jay
you all have scuffed binds tho fr
fallow otter
G might aswell be in Africa while I'm in full dps rotation, I'm dead if I need hs
grizzled jay
` is very close to 1 why wouldn't you just make it a highly-used ability
why would it be healthstone lol
grizzled jay
my hands are smaller than the avg females, no excuses
low girder
I can't hit it and a movement key
Not easily
Same reason 1 is garrote and not mut
Harder for me to hit at the same time
I have weird hand position I guess
normal olive
That was my r key 3 weeks ago
grizzled jay
i still use R for reply to whisper
marsh wharf
Also Q is smokebomb fight me @balmy condor
normal olive
balmy condor
Cursed
marsh wharf
Lmao
normal olive
What did you do with poor peepo
marsh wharf
He's giving that thicc boy a friendly hug
shrewd night
navi, i herd u and hemo were making rogue guides and putting them on OF
marsh wharf
shrewd night
balmy condor
everyone hated that
shrewd night
I gotchu navi
marsh wharf
LOL
normal olive
I won't dissapoint
marsh wharf
Wait does kyrian have a rogue ability I just realized the only ones i know are: slaughter, bone spike, and sepsis
grizzled jay
marsh wharf
Does kyrian even exist
normal olive
marsh wharf
Onlyclowns when :pepeclown-1:
grizzled jay
empower this, whispyr: 🍆
normal olive
We want more Factorio Whispyr 
grizzled jay
i didn't know you swing that way whispyr, but now i do
you like big blue angel mommies i get it
marsh wharf
What is hebbening
grizzled jay
that seemed excessive
balmy condor
We’re talking about slice and dice
normal olive
If i stab shit as assa, how staby is it
balmy condor
low girder
Nope
balmy condor
It’s like roll the dice, but with slice
low girder
balmy condor
Okay but like actually though are we expecting anything more
marsh wharf
Yes. slice and dice as it were 
balmy condor
Is it seriously gonna stay just attack speed
grizzled jay
it will not give 15% energy regen if that's what you are asking
because its a baseline ability not a spec ability, so all 3 specs get the same snd
balmy condor
:( just something man
grizzled jay
and outlaw and sub getting 15% energy regen would be bonkers lol
marsh wharf
Honestly sub feels good on the ptr with shadow dance changes and slice and dice
balmy condor
I think sin feels fine too with alacrity and bs
marsh wharf
Take it back
grizzled jay
for me, as someone who's tested all 3, sin feels the best
low girder
Blindside good talent
low girder
Pls stay good
balmy condor
Assa doesn’t need anything
marsh wharf
alacrity is a sin that shall be purged from the talents
balmy condor
It’s the perfect spec
grizzled jay
Elaborate Planning will out-scale Blindside i think as non-venthyr covenants
balmy condor
Aside from all the things that it sucks at
balmy condor
True
grizzled jay
MP the new dead pve talent
marsh wharf
Alacrity needs to be replaced with detect traps tbh
balmy condor
New?
low girder
Venom rush 2.0 eternally dead
shrewd night
MP was fat poggers when pb actually dealt damage.
grizzled jay
yah
balmy condor
3years agi
placid dawn
MP was good back in nighthold
balmy condor
Ago
marsh wharf
I miss the shink shink shink from vendetta in legion
low girder
Replace MP with agonizing poison
marsh wharf
XD
low girder
balmy condor
No pls
shrewd night
agonizing poison was so fucking dumb, dont even.
grizzled jay
replace MP with Roll the Bones that replaces SnD
marsh wharf
Oh fuck i forgot about agonizing poison lmfao
shrewd night
hey koffing, adds spawned
DONT CARE HAVE FUN OVER THERE
balmy condor
Isn’t that what you do now too
marsh wharf
just used kingsbane too bad
shrewd night
Kinda
balmy condor
shrewd night
Watch me ignore orbs on raden
low girder
"Hey krosus adds are kind of not dying" "COOL FUCK OFF AND KILL EM"
shrewd night
"bring them close so I can get pb damage"
marsh wharf
What are these orbs and how do they increase my mutilates per second
normal olive
*stabs per second
marsh wharf
I fucking hated helya on mythic oh my god
normal olive
I don't care about any spells, i go with the rogue spec that stabs shit the fastest
shrewd night
Cant remember if I got ce helya
low girder
We got it the week before NH
bye
shrewd night
lemme go check, brb
grizzled jay
big blue angel mommy lovers unite
low girder
Night
marsh wharf
Same gn everyone 
normal olive
it's 11.30am time for coffee you mean
low girder
5:30
low girder
Real degen hours
shrewd night
uunat makes up for it tho
shrewd night
fuck uunat
normal olive
you into tentacles or what
normal olive
The last boss i did before coming back in 7.3 was hc KJ in ToS
low girder
I only did that once
low girder
I did however make my group deal with flying balls
shrewd night
So many people hated KJ, I fucking loved that shit
normal olive
It was fun
normal olive
but not when 70% of your 20 people guild hate each other because of real life drama
low girder
Our dk wasn't a fan
normal olive
normal olive
doing tomb and then coming back to nyalotha
low girder
Avatar was fun with multiple rogues
normal olive
I miss Nighthold 
crimson palm
no raid spots for rogues in nathria
junior storm
Could you see some outlaw for last boss or is the AoE bad now? My rogue knowledge isn’t great lol
cerulean walrus
grave trail
well see if its the case then its hunter time
since its the range closest to a melee spec
normal olive
You guys are getting spots
slim jay
Necro best looking ability so far for rogue?
tender escarp
Sim yourself
normal olive
slim jay
normal olive
Haven't kept up with covenants the last few weeks, is the night fae one back?
slim jay
I was looking up on it. Only ones that seemed okay were necro and fae.
Fae for raiding more too
Was just wondering if any beta bois had insight about them so far.
shrewd night
Its beta patch day tomorrow, just chill for 24 hours and ask again
slim jay
Okay. Sorry didnt know
blissful storm
are we supposed to overwrite shrouded suffocation garrotes when they are about to fall off or we want to wait until they expire?
normal olive
Wait until expired
blissful storm
thanks
scarlet sequoia
np
winter gale
Guys, atm wich covenant are we going for most likely? If that is known somehow already
normal olive
Its beta patch day tomorrow, just chill for 24 hours and ask again
@shrewd night
oh no didn't know it pings
winter gale
Nightfae for raiding, I saw it up there
shrewd night
Im still going to stick to my claim that whatever looks best rn doesnt even matter, but 
People seem adamant that it holds some semblance of value
normal olive
yea
Can't wait until i can write my Night Fae Assa guide with the 1 minute vanish proc into vanish into mfd kidney
shadow wedge
fallow otter
warlock
normal olive
If you read my guides you too can be bis
sterile reef
how do i read pawn stat weights?
normal olive
sterile reef
Stat Weights
Weapon DPS
14.44
Critical Strike
6.40
Mastery
5.94
Haste
5.77
Versatility
5.69
Agility
2.76
Off Hand Weapon DPS
1.36
normal olive
The higher the number the better the stat is for you
sterile reef
hmm can u help me with my secondaries and getting offhand better then
normal olive
I'd just sim your stuff
sterile reef
im simming but i cant figure out what to do
i mostly wanna pvp but be able to pve dungeon+
normal olive
2 Things i don't really know about 
dark crag
M+ is crit/mastery and pvp is versa/mastery/haste20%
sterile reef
Luhmi , if i change my corruptions for more versatility and lower my haste, how much does it affect how much crit and mastery weigh
cuz mostly i wanna pvp now, but im lacking partner
but i need to do mythic+:s too
vast forum
you can't have only 1 set and play multiple types of content at a high level
also, i'm pretty sure pvp is full haste vers cuz gushing is most of your damage anyway 😄
basically
outlaw = crit/vers
assa raiding = haste-crit/mastery-vers
assa m+ (aoe build) = crit/mastery
assa pvp = vers-haste
so you can't really have 1 set for 2 different things
shrewd night
- Pawn/statweights is disgusting and nobody truly looking to help you will recommend using it.
- Top gear for most of your simming needs, Droptimizer to figure out where upgrades are gotten (based on current gear)
It goes without saying that this is for PVE content, the bois over at the #pvp channel has a better grip of what to do for finding PVP upgrades.
crimson palm
😢
amber quail
Am I blind or there isn’t a SL channel? Ty for answer✌️
elfin steeple
i was trying to find too
steep obsidian
sand whale
the sub rogues are already living in the future come join us and talk about SL kekw
runic kiln
sub rogues are gonna be sad when akaari's gets nerfed and the spec doesn't get compensation buffs and it remains in sin's shadow for another expansion
fleet whale
sub looks good even without akaari's though
feral creek
Yeah but all just test akaari because its overtuned
runic kiln
It looks a lot better than it does now, but it won't be able to compete with Sin's easy rotation and less-punishing downtime if Akaari's gets fixed
not that permanent EW sub is hard
fleet whale
i mean that also depends on Sin's own tuning as well
lime junco
Let's be honest... since we cant cloak almost anything in the raid we wont be getting spots over DH or DK or warrior fbm
somber egret
I’m starting think if they just boost the conduits associated with the covenant abilities that suck things will maybe even out. Bone spike is cool and all but Im still not over fel green from legion
lime junco
But bonespike base is better/working compared to the other 3
Imma just roll 2 rogues so I can play nightfae (what I want) and one rogue for what I need lol
fleet whale
you get your covenant ability conduit basically for free
in fact i believe it's the first conduit you get
fleet thorn
Didnt see a beta discussion thread, so I come to you guys. How do you feel about Assassination's performance in Beta/PTR? Meaning, how do you feel about the current damage (Yes, this will get balanced) playstyle, general complains/concerns/likes?
runic kiln
Let's be honest... since we cant cloak almost anything in the raid we wont be getting spots over DH or DK or warrior fbm
@lime junco unless tuning changes are wild, both sin and sub are getting preference from most guilds i know simply because rogues are doing more damage than other melees
fleet whale
blindside is really nice
balmy condor
Yeah that too
fleet whale
wish it was baseline but i guess that's asking for too much
maybe the FoK conduit combined with the poison conduit
it could maybe be ok in M+
grizzled jay
FoK conduit spreading Slaughter aoe in M+
Kreygasm
I wonder if some weird hybrid Conduit build is best for Sire
like using both Mutilate and FoK
green forge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2rgHvvbzhKf3An8g5HY4Fw
Anything I forgot & that I can still upgrade (except mm+ items from weekly chest) ?
grizzled jay
you asked what pieces can still be upgraded 🤔
i guess granted you said 'excluding chest' but obv. bis set is mostly from weekly chest
strange python
Finally got my helm and vita upgraded 🙂
@balmy condor i'm literally never going to get my mech rings
I've given up lol
balmy condor
Unlucky
rose violet
am i missing something or do you just not get any energy from venomous wounds if you have slaughter poison active?
grizzled jay
tfw never gonna break 105k
rose violet
i've tried it and i just can't see any energy ticks
balmy condor
Haven’t heard of it fucking up for other people
rose violet
🙁
grizzled jay
i can try real fast
give me a sec
im like 99% sure it works
huh guess its the 1% that is true
must've been bugged this build lmao
@fleet anchor did Venomous Wounds never work for Rup/Garr?
with Slaughter
strange python
It does
grizzled jay
well i just tested and it doesn't
fleet anchor
It doesn't work atm no
grizzled jay
was that a recent build bug or was it always like that
fleet anchor
Hard to say
Crippling goes up so fast it's always been difficult to tell
It was on my list to test because I FELT like it maybe wasn't working on some of the earlier raid tests
But then they turned off the level 60 servers
grizzled jay
ah okay. well i just tested by removing all combat log events except Power Gains and it was showing Venomous Vim for Deadly but not Slaughter with Rup/Gar
somber egret
Tool tips and what intended and not is a huge thing right now. Nobody knows what’s gonna work. Prepatch will basically be open beta
fleet anchor
I did put that in the bug tracker a bit ago
grizzled jay
aight
alpine latch
Hey guys, can anyone confirm whether or not WF bonus attacks can proc poison in Shadowlands?
balmy condor
whats wf
normal olive
Wind fury?
normal olive
Whispyrs Frenchtoast?
alpine latch
Wind Fury
balmy condor
I haven't heard that
normal olive
harsh perch
alpine latch
I said the same thing, but my GM is basically asking for proof because he thinks it didn't back in patch 1.10
Figured I'd swing in and see if anyone here could confirm it in SL
balmy condor
yeah idk either
I would assume it does
but idk if anyone actually tested it yet
considering its such a small detail
alpine latch
We were discussing how important ENH may be to mythic raids, and whether or not it would lock it into a raid spot
And he said that it wouldn't boost ASN at all because melee isn't a large part of it's damage
balmy condor
okay well that atm is wrong
alpine latch
I'm of the opinion that it would definitely boost ASN because it's more poison procs
And chances of poison bombs
balmy condor
poison bomb doesn't proc off melee's
the poison procs are probably the lesser part of that damage
alpine latch
I haven't touched ASN since the beginning of Legion ... my bad.