Dark shadow is unusable in current iteration
#assassination
marsh wharf
i've almost always been assassin aside from cata and mop where sub was just too fun to play
hemo spec with recoup 🙂
crimson terrace
hemo ❤️
marsh wharf
I finally got through to an actual person and he logged into my character and cleared it somehow 😄
jolly comet
nice you got it fixed. there was a weird bug in legion beta where you went through the druid portal and fell through the world. i was stuck for almost 2 weeks had to post on a forum post to get them to manually teleport my char out of hell
marsh wharf
now I'm wondering if he cleared it with a /command or he used a gm only fix for it, there could be a /command that clears your auras
low girder
i've shadowstepped into the abyss in org vision a couple times, luckily it just took a couple login attempts to fix itself and i didn't run out of sanity in the meantime lol
fleet whale
that happened to me in throne of thunder once during trash but luckily it just killed me
and i was able to release spirit and come back to life
vast forum
you're .56% over
fleet whale
the funny thing is in mostly BiS gear most sin rogues end up with 30-35% crit in there ST build
void pecan
I know 😦
scarlet sequoia
u need tentaclers
void pecan
I'm really holding my raid back from getting CE in a month.
fleet whale
tentacles can pump
void pecan
with my shit gear 😦
fleet whale
so you can enjoy it for one week?
scarlet sequoia
yes
void pecan
I mean really, there's nothing else to do but meme for a bit
void pecan
if you already have CE
scarlet sequoia
im still working on CE
fleet whale
true you might as well just mess around
void pecan
LOL. Yup. I feel that.
scarlet sequoia
definitely
n'zoth will perish soon.
that mother fucker is going down
am i right
scarlet sequoia
respect brother
scarlet sequoia
hell yeah
dark crag
Got 2 485 with r3 TA and 1 475 + the cara dagger. Now i need my personal heal
void pecan
Who is first best?
scarlet sequoia
nukkz2292
fleet whale
Dratnos
dull crypt
hello everybody my name is dratnos and in this video im gonna talk about my voice
fleet whale
or a tier list
scarlet sequoia
youre making fun of dratnos, but hes trying to make a living and teach people the basics. he is a good player and definitely better than you guys
so idk why u even talk
fleet whale
I'm not so much annoyed by him but rather all the people on reddit who thinks he's some sort of rogue expert
dull crypt
who talked about how good he is
fleet whale
his content really isn't that bad though
dull crypt
just a punchable demeanour
fleet whale
there are def worst content creators on youtube, and he knows the fundamentals really well
balmy condor
dratnos is a generally really helpful guy
10/10
would recommend over infexious any day of the week
dull crypt
well i never said anything about how helpful or good he is but my opinion turned me into a sexual predator
such is life
fiery flower
Saw a name I haven't seen for years.
dull crypt
\o
fiery flower
Thought you quit this game long ago?
fiery flower
Definately
dull crypt
nice to see you though!
fiery flower
Likewise.
topaz axle
we able to put poisons, oils, and sharpening stones on in the beta?
or does it work like they used to back in the day?
topaz axle
that's good
topaz axle
I'd hate for that consume to be available to everyone but us cause of poisons lol
young dust
guys, I have a weakaura on my screen to control the uptime from my garrote on the current target. Is there any way to make it glow or another effect if the target has the empowered garrote?
i might need something with lua code, right?
balmy condor
yeah or a when cast
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balmy condor
mizerok does
young dust
yeah or a when cast
@balmy condor set a condition on garrote cast if i have subterfuge buff the moment garrote is applied to the target, right?
thanks, i'll check it out to create my own
young dust
i was talking about the empowered one from subterfuge
because sometimes i snap the empowered one on big pulls
marsh wharf
anyone else tested poison bomb vs crimson tempest on current pre patch build? poison bomb sucks butt more than it did before
balmy condor
in single target you 100% take pb
fleet whale
so uh... i just encountered an interesting vision bug
i have infinite sanity that never goes down
marsh wharf
for combo point efficiency since you spam more envenoms whispyr?
also the new blindside with ambush feels really good imo
fleet whale
yes it feels so good i wish it was baseline
fleet whale
and just have a talent that increases mutilate and ambush damage in it's stead
balmy condor
but CT just fucking sucks CT without the 900000% haste we have now
marsh wharf
true, do got lots of haste on live
the crimson tempest ticks harder than poison bomb
prob just cause my ptr build is still haste/mastery though
balmy condor
doubtful tbh
marsh wharf
that it tics harder?
balmy condor
the tick does 283 or the on hit
marsh wharf
the tick for crimson
balmy condor
that's wild
marsh wharf
@fleet whale yea even if it isn't baseline blindside might be my go to, it feels really good to get 3 combo points and a fat ambush crit
and it doesn't cost energy on the proc
low girder
i'm fine with it now, but take our haste away and add SND and yikes
marsh wharf
@balmy condor i like ct single target i use it currently on live, does more damage at 6 combo points than an envenom
it's soooo hard to keep up slice and dice after not using it forever lmao
I gota make it muscle memory or i keep forgetting it
balmy condor
CT single target is a corruption artifact that shouldn't exist
if they don't make pb stronger
I'm going to lose my fucking mind
marsh wharf
i mean I'm with you, i'd rather use poison bomb so i can spam envenoms and keep up slice and dice easier
i just hope they buff poison bomb and replace alacrity with something useful
low girder
hidden blades ST let's goooo 
fleet whale
CT with SND would be cancer gameplay
marsh wharf
yea i am doing it right now on a target dummy and it's way too fucking maintenence heavy
lemme just spam envenoms for fucks sake
something REALLY needs to be done about this line though
these are all fucking dumb game play
fleet whale
it is very unlikely that CT will be used at all for ST though for SL
low girder
yeah it won't
balmy condor
exsang is great
fleet whale
exsang is basically dead in SL
low girder
not unless we really need it for the bleed leggo
and the bleed leggo is actually good
void pecan
CT + SND + rupture + garrotte? plz no
void pecan
void pecan
Sin the new DDR build.
jolly comet
lol
void pecan
Push the button that lights up first.
fleet whale
except it won't feel like DDR
it will feel like Whack a mole
or pressing random keys on a piano
in an odd sequence
marsh wharf
without all our haste from corruptions btw deeper strategem feels hard to maintain UNLESS you use blindside
with blindside it feels decent
fleet whale
you probably won't use DS
void pecan
Vigor blindside is the goto right now isn't it?
marsh wharf
no god pls muh 7 second kidneys
void pecan
for beta?
balmy condor
yeah
marsh wharf
yea it feels pretty good gana
balmy condor
vigor blindside
void pecan
I'm only half keeping up with SL stuff
marsh wharf
it hits really hard
fleet whale
ambush hits hard
marsh wharf
harder than a mut
marsh wharf
and is free of energy
fleet whale
or noodle
marsh wharf
yea i tested out blindside earlier today on live and was like "ah that's why i don't use it"
low girder
yeah it's shit lol
fleet whale
ambush is more than double the damage of a mut
fleet whale
blindside on bfa isn't even 50% more damage than a mut
and yeah i'm glad the SL version is just a proc throughout
just a higher rate in execute
marsh wharf
fleet whale
i still would make Blindside baseline and have a talent that increases mut and ambush damage in it's place
low girder
yeah it hits pretty hard, i just don't know how it'll hold up with leggos and conduits etc
marsh wharf
low girder
might still be the best one
fleet whale
slaughter works with blindside apparently?
fleet whale
if it does, that conduit will make it a very strong talent
marsh wharf
yea i'm hoping for number adjustments
low girder
i need to find a button for it
fleet whale
honestly with alacrity and Blindside, and with vigor
low girder
should be using ptr to plan this shit out but i'm lazy
fleet whale
assassination probably doesn't feel that bad in SL
low girder
yeah supposedly it works with blindside
fleet whale
yeah
marsh wharf
it procs blindside?
fleet whale
according to beta testers yeah
marsh wharf
i'm most likely going to still play assassin, i don't much like sub and outlaw is a meme
fleet whale
the only reason it doesn't flat out replace ambush
is because sub doesn't have ambush
low girder
yeah
modern schooner
what's better between alacrity and exa in SL?
low girder
i'll probably be sub, both because it's historically been my fav, but also i've been sin for 2 years
fleet whale
alacrity
marsh wharf
you think bonespike will go live as it is? i think it's gona get nerfed
low girder
alacrity is the only talent that exists currently
modern schooner
I see
fleet whale
exsang is basically dead
low girder
venom rush may as well not exist and we don't have the haste for exsang
fleet whale
it will be alacrity in all content
modern schooner
and poison master?
fleet whale
maybe
marsh wharf
poison master might be good
modern schooner
is blindside considered?
fleet whale
it will be close between MP and blindside
low girder
idk if it works with slaughter
fleet whale
EP uptime is gonna be too low
marsh wharf
imo blindside is way more fun to play with than master poisoner 😄
low girder
blindside prolly still better even if it does though
modern schooner
and the second row?
fleet whale
or make a talent
low girder
it should exist, the other talents are just shit
marsh wharf
they should change this to do something with shiv like varolyn said
like make it give energy back or something
modern schooner
I just read the tooltip and I thought Venom Rush made bleeds/poison tick faster based on the name lol
yeah that sounds pretty bad
marsh wharf
^
low girder
it got changed to that in bfa
modern schooner
I see
low girder
and moved to that row
modern schooner
why would they do that
low girder
idk
low girder
yeah i guess it would double dip
marsh wharf
other than the last two lines i'm fine with most of the talents
fleet whale
some people were defending the talent on this discord a few days ago though 😦
marsh wharf
which talent
low girder
i mean it's extremely easy as a talent
fleet whale
venom rush
fleet whale
basically they said it was a beginner talent that requires no thought
fleet whale
so VR just becomes pointless
marsh wharf
TB is baseline now on shiv
fleet whale
it's a crappy tb though
low girder
even if it sucks
low girder
with TB gone and getting alacrity
marsh wharf
they should honestly add tb back and make it double the bonus from shiv
low girder
zero sense
modern schooner
what about subterfuge/master assassin/nightstalker?
low girder
they're all fine, removed from legendaries
now that master assassin leggo is back
kinda weird
balmy condor
subt probably not great
ma probably not great
nightstalker not grea
so ns or subt tbh
modern schooner
what's the most likely to be used now?
balmy condor
if you have the crit lego for sure
low girder
subt
modern schooner
oh
marsh wharf
subterfuge is great for open world burst with the triple ambush
low girder
it prolly will
if you take MA leggo you'll go NS
most likely
later on at least
early prolly still subt
tbh kinda miss the NS snapshot with rupture
didn't last very long
fleet whale
i think you're still able to do that
fleet whale
that's sub nightstalker
low girder
it's 50% for sin
fleet whale
for sin it's 50
low girder
the NS rupture snapshotting was just pre-MA leggo
marsh wharf
dude this new premeditation looks trasshhh...
low girder
plus we had the random 100% more rup dmg for 10s
fleet whale
MA appears to be a pretty bad talent
fleet whale
though if you want to open with ambush, it can work i guess
yeah blood of the assassinated was a crap trait
fleet whale
i don't think it was RPPM it was like 35% chance per cast
low girder
also we had agonizing
fleet whale
but you never fished for it
fleet whale
exsang was used on Ilgynoth in EN
fleet whale
cause that was a terrible AP fight
low girder
had shit leggos anyway
fleet whale
but in NH you would run alac on the aoe stuff
low girder
prydaz/healing pants
modern schooner
is the zoldyck insignia the best legendary for sin?
fleet whale
don't know yet
fleet whale
probably not intended
modern schooner
will the prepatch be enough to know or do we have to wait for release?
low girder
they'll be iterating even after prepatch
modern schooner
that's unfortunate
fleet whale
it sucks currently
marsh wharf
really?
fleet whale
damage is way undertuned
modern schooner
the tooltip for rogue aoe always has such low numbers
low girder
it also locks you in place
marsh wharf
ooof
low girder
which is trash
fleet whale
the lock you in place thing
modern schooner
so outlaw will be the king of m+?
low girder
yeah it would be there
uh, who knows
we haven't had tuning at all yet
and sub has a busted leggo currently
fleet whale
dungeons are also different
modern schooner
everyone in the sub channels thinks that legendary is getting nerfed
low girder
and like 3 of ours don't work?
it is
there's no chance it goes live, sub is like 15% over the second best ST spec
fleet whale
Assassination appears to be the underdog/undertuned spec atm
but that can all change very fast
void pecan
Always bet on rogue to be good
modern schooner
well I want to have a good raider io this time and m+ seems to be the main contributor
fleet whale
very rarely are rogue bottom of the barrel
modern schooner
but I don't like outlaw very much
void pecan
It's been.. a long time since assassin hasn't been good
fleet whale
since wod
fleet whale
and how high do you want your io to be
modern schooner
is sin good in m+ in 8.3?
low girder
tomb maybe
fleet whale
yes
low girder
but mostly because overshadowed by sub
fleet whale
and sin wasn't even that bad in ToS
modern schooner
I mained rogue until wod
low girder
yeah
modern schooner
I was sub back then
low girder
uh, currently sin is fine in M+
modern schooner
I want to try it again but yeah just the outlaw concern
fleet whale
Legion raid balance though actually wasnt that bad all things considered
low girder
it's not going to be great in SL though
marsh wharf
i was smacking the target dummy just now and was almost able to perma shadow dance
low girder
unless a lot of things change
fleet whale
gaps weren't as big as they were in other expansions
low girder
yes
fleet whale
Sin does have a FoK conduit
modern schooner
I was trying it out in PTR and it feels mandatory
low girder
so good it beats alacrity in every scenario, actually
marsh wharf
it stacks WHILE you're in shadow dance
fleet whale
and a poison damage conduit
marsh wharf
and can just maintain it
low girder
yeah, if slaughter can spread and get buffed by those it might be ok
modern schooner
are all of you sin mains?
fleet whale
and zodylck (sp?) will be nice in M+ as well
marsh wharf
i'm currently a sin main
low girder
but i play all 3
fleet whale
yes sin is probably my favorite spec all time
low girder
i swap to whatever is "strongest" in any tier
fleet whale
i just really like the theme of it
low girder
i like all of them
marsh wharf
i've mained sin for all of legion/bfa but i mained sub in cata/mop
fleet whale
i even played sin in bad tiers
modern schooner
it was just spam evis in MoP right?
low girder
i played outlaw on carapace prog
modern schooner
what was the finisher?
low girder
a mistake, tbh
fleet whale
envenom
modern schooner
ah
fleet whale
cata made it default for sin
modern schooner
I remember first playing rogue in MoP and I just kept the dot and spammed the finisher and it was keeping high in charts
low girder
was snd entirely passive in wod or was it casted and then just maintained with envenom
i don't remember anymore
marsh wharf
i remember playing hemo spec in cata and just spamming hemo and slice and dice and recoup 😛
modern schooner
I know something kept refreshing SnD
low girder
it's been bugging me recently
yeah we got a leveling passive
i just don't remember how it worked anymore
wowhead prolly still has it
modern schooner
from all the videos I have seen the constant is that sin remained mostly unchaged so we can hope for new attention in the coming weeks
marsh wharf
does anyone know which damage meter works on the ptr, my details doesn't work on there
or like where to download a ptr version
modern schooner
@marsh wharf I got mine from here https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2560817-Addons-for-Shadowlands-Beta-and-PTR-9-0
but I havent installed details, just got weakauras
modern schooner
is there a macro for ambush/mut?
hasty kiln
Does anyone know already if the new Blindside is better then Elaborate now? :3
balmy condor
Waiting on balancing
woven gull
Hey all, was just wondering how viable a sin rogue is looking for PvE in SL? I know in 8.3 at the moment, they have potentially substantial ST DPS potential, but is it looking like the spec is getting more of a buff or a nerf in SL? Thanks in advance 🙂
patent topaz
Nobody knows for sure before tuning and sims happen. Assa suffers the most from the loss of secondaries at the start of the expansion though.
hasty kiln
Hmm you can wear only one Legendary at the beginning of the Expansion right? Dashing Scoundrel and Zoldyck looking nice... can't decide xD
woven gull
Very true, good to know other classes will suffer from that too though, so at least we’re not alone xD I’m right in thinking necrolords will definitely be the go-to covenant as well right? Someone mentioned an ability called serrated bone spike that you get with NL’s which is shaping up to be one of the best DOTs in the whole game 🤔
At least, that’s if it doesn’t get nerfed xD
hasty kiln
I go Nightfae, Necro looks way too strong :/
balmy condor
It’s undoubtably getting nerfed
It’s crazy strong atm
Slaughter looks kinda decent tbh
left flare
Necro might look to op. But even if it gets netfed it should still be fine
gray fjord
Sorry, kinda random question- Fan of Knives is target capped at 8 as well in SL, correct? I can't remember off the top of my head. I know it doesn't specify in the tooltip, though.
gray fjord
Awesome, I thought so but wanted to verify. Thank you, Whispyr.
balmy condor
np
bleak spoke
Might not be intentional
Like it could have acquired it from shuriken storm being the base spell or whatever right
Cuz tooltip doesn’t say it
bleak spoke
It actually kneecaps sin really hard imo cuz of the crit requirement for cp
Like with the cap shuriken storm is just such a better spell
Imo ct being capped is understandable in a way but
balmy condor
oh for usre
bleak spoke
Ct and vile taint are effectively the same spell
balmy condor
part of the whole reason why sin sucks in m+ atm
balmy condor
in beta?
bleak spoke
Oh
balmy condor
it blows real hard
bleak spoke
Is shiv working yet
waxen field
is there any way as assa to 'escape' from the mythic shad fixate ?
balmy condor
no
waxen field
aw sad
balmy condor
shadowstep or call for a freedom
royal lantern
*call.for freedom.3x but your paladin keeps.spamming glimmer,you get hit kn the middle of the group and he says *why did you not cloak it????"
balmy condor
royal lantern
Immagine getting a euro everytime somone that doesnt play rogue tells you too just cloak something/ask you why you didnt cloak it
balmy condor
“Dude it’s just like that one thing in tomb of sargeras, you could cloak it back then tool”
dark crag
"Use deff cds"
"Why didn't you use a deff cd"
Very good when it's up to 1:59 before nzoth soak
royal lantern
Bruh
We have a hunter that hates rogues cus ofc he does
Telling him that rogue deffensive DOESNT always work is hard
royal lantern
Most people seem too think that cloak is a full imminity
balmy condor
Oh you need a lust? I got you
Oh what was that? Just immune it? Yeah sure
Spell steal that buff? No problem
Like bruh
royal lantern
Ye but its RANGED DPS
balmy condor
Oh yeah, they have it so hard
royal lantern
Ranged dps is 10000xharder then melee
balmy condor
Forgot about that
royal lantern
You sometimes need too spread!!!
What do you mean ranged dps almost always stays spread.by default?
balmy condor
There’s a chance that you lose uptime
A little bit
Because you have to move
For 1.3 seconds
Cause ya know
Can’t cast and blink at the same time
last root
KEKW
obsidian pond
question in regards to M+ packs for assassination
am i just applying garrote rupture and fan of blades to apply poison to each mob
and then keeping that up
since talents make a difference im using the beginner build and rotation listed on WoWhead
spare narwhal
I think it depends on the level of your key. That’s pretty much what I do, but I tip out at +14 keys. I think that you might throw a crimson tempest in there, but +14 packs seldom live long enough to get the full benefit of CT.
obsidian pond
awesome and with vanish should i be using that off cd to proc subterfuge and the azerite trait that buffs my garrote dmg
im pretty sick of DH at this point so wanted to learn a more challenging spec
dull crypt
yeah you want to use vanish as much as you can while still having it for bosses, especially on tyrannical
spare narwhal
What Religoth said. I have to admit I am bad at using vanish on mob packs. Def save vanish for tyrannical weeks. I am lucky that I run with a tank that pulls knowing he has an assass rogue and I usually have a second or two to restealth.
obsidian pond
and how do i deal with bigger pulls
am i just going garrote mutilate rupture with 4 -5 points and then fan of knives to apply dot to all?
dark crag
Garrote 3 targets
leaden garden
Asa looks aight for shadowlands?
dark crag
Looks slow
torn hinge
Doesn't it always start off slow though and pick up as the expansion wears on?
dark crag
Yes, but this time you go from >60% haste to nothing
torn hinge
That's going to be unpleasant. Combined with having to go with edgelords for a decent covenant ability
obsidian pond
im still gearing so it probably wont feel to bad for me
since i dont have any expedients
surreal solar
Necrolord or Venthyr basically.... Night Fae's cool but legendary dependant
dark crag
Sepsis makes ma/deathly stronger but is not more legy dependant than others, bonespike is all-around just very strong, may be too strong
Once tuning and stuff is done, we will see how things will be with soulbinds and conduits
surreal solar
sepsis barely stands to bone spike or slaughter + conduit without a leggo to stand on
sterile reef
here's my build and spec for pvp mostly, im lackin atleast 10-20k dps for some reason
could someone say when to pause or do auto-s or whats the general rotation
i usually go (sap) garrote envenom cheap shot open, then 2x mutilate and rupture, then depending but either kidney shot or then start spamming envenom
can someone help me through to better rotations, my secondaries are
23% crti, 31% haste, 46% mastery, 7% (base) versatility,10% leech and 16% avoidance
playing pvp mostly
surreal solar
i ocassionaly MFD -> Kidney from stealth, get the empowered garrote rupture then start laying into em with the last 3seconds, they come out 25-40% hp, or dead if my partner isnt being manhandled by the other
but uh, for pvp it's recommended to go through the pvp channel
sterile reef
ah soz
fading wigeon
Is mythic 0 available at launch of an expansion?
frigid kestrel
@fading wigeon from what I’ve been hearing, yes
cinder ferry
If anyone has a moment to review my Shad logs and let me know of how I can improve I would appreciate it. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jkCP4KQxNG7m31L2/#fight=31&type=damage-done&source=38
crimson palm
Press more buttons
placid dawn
that first envenom should be a CT
try to have some CP before vanish so you can garrote - finisher -garrote
your second and third exsang are late
and you didnt exsang on your second vendetta
@cinder ferry
cinder ferry
Thank yoiu
wild stone
hi, been over a year since playing. was there something to increase range of Fan of Knives? doing some rep farming
void pecan
Range? No
wild stone
ok ty
spare dome
!wa
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tawdry pulsar
cheers
solar flicker
try to have some CP before vanish so you can garrote - finisher -garrote
@placid dawn is this true? 1st vanish has been bugging me for this reason
but i went through top logs and i see a lot of garrote > mutilate > garrote
i feel like 1st garrote always falls off right after i spend too so ive been doing that
rancid bobcat
Top logs aren't really decided by the 3 gcds you spend in subterfuge
Also define "a lot"
placid dawn
maybe sometimes it turns out that way and they just dont want to have some downtime of garrote
but im not sure if 2-3 cps is worth a couple garrote ticks, im not that knowledgeable
burnt star
Im.curious why the guide says we should use the ring from mechagon as bis
royal lantern
cus the ring from mechagon IS bis?
burnt star
If we go severe-strikethrough
How can a mere 169 haste proc and no crit on one ring with severe strikethrough be better then 2 high crit ring
Is the question
Im not asking for expedient build
void pecan
All the top boys don't use ring set for M+ crit build
Just use two high crit rings
like waycrest/crafted
balmy condor
M+ crit bis is usually waycrest/shrine
fleet whale
there is a crit mastery ring from Siege
balmy condor
Ye, shrine is higher crit me thinks
fleet whale
mine from siege came with Severe on it so it's what i use
little root
😡 dont tell me what i do and dont like
tawdry pulsar
Anyone experienced with weak auras
Could do with a bit of help making a custom one real quick
tawdry pulsar
On my way
thorn plover
anyone know if the sub legendary finality that increases rupture by 20% works on sin?
thorn plover
out of curiosity i just tried, i get the buff
haven't checked if the dmg is asctually icnreased
fleet whale
celerity works with all three specs
balmy condor
fleet whale
but that is unintentional
balmy condor
yeah
fleet whale
or at least i think it is
thorn plover
seems to increase rupture dmg
balmy condor
I sure hope it does
that's what its supposed to do
sub and sin both have rupture
but I assume there will be a lock on the legendary to make it sub only
thorn plover
yeah we'll see
iirc, unintended cross spec legendaries existed in legion
i vaguely recall resto druids using chatoyant/other feral legendaries for m+
low girder
they did, azerite powers did the same
thorn plover
right, arms warrios use bastion of might, a prot power, for pvp
thorn plover
no
balmy condor
well
thorn plover
it says evisc, shadow vault, and rupture
low girder
to proc it
balmy condor
yes
low girder
not the dmg
low girder
but only rupture is lol
balmy condor
yeah
low girder
even if it did work
low girder
big dam
thorn plover
exsang shenanigans?
fleet whale
exsang isn't going to be good
balmy condor
yeah
thorn plover
yeah
balmy condor
exsang is trash
fleet whale
it's on the same row as alacrity
low girder
they'd have to give it some damage
or something
i don't think even going back to 400% would save it much
and tbh, i'm cool with it going away for a bit
balmy condor
I think a cooldown reduction to 30 seconds might do something
but its still pretty rough
low girder
yeah if they made it sync
would prolly be decent
although exsang at 30 and shiv at 25
D:
low girder
lol
hey that thing has never been good since it got remade
at least exsang had some time in the sun
balmy condor
my biggest talent hot take
is that MFD should be a pvp talent and something new should replace it
balmy condor
yeah but do you ever use MFD in raids or something
low girder
lol
idk i think it's a cool talent
it just doesn't work well in sin's toolkit in pve
anymore
low girder
nah the execute they used to have
thorn plover
drain soul?
low girder
that gave shards if they killed it
thorn plover
oh
low girder
nah was instant
low girder
shadow something
low girder
yeah
thorn plover
drain soul for sniping too
low girder
also it's a good leveling talent
strange python
If you aren't running exsang, how many mobs is worth switching to crimson over poison bomb?
balmy condor
depends on how important the aoe is as well
and how often they show up
in m+, you would use CT basically all the time
on tyran and stuff, you can use pb on some keys
balmy condor
eh
with a crit build, probably PB
adds die too fast
especially since cara chest is ttk
strange python
Only not running exsang because I don't have enough haste yet, ilvl 464 FYI
balmy condor
oof
strange python
If that changes things, I'm just curious really what bosses I should be using crim over PB
in nya in particular
strange python
Yeah lmfao ofc ofc
fleet whale
when does exp 3 come back
balmy condor
9/08
strange python
Hoping to have like 20k echos atleast by then,
strange python
yeah :///
I came back late unfortunately
I wonder if people are going to struggle with content after corruptions get nuked
balmy condor
everything is getting nerfed into the ground probably
just like every prepatch/expac release
strange python
Thats what I would expect,
low girder
yeah everything will get smashed
and if it's not smashed enough they'll do it again within 36h of prepatch
strange python
Will be kind of nice to be on the same playing field again though,
being so far behind on corruptions blows
modern schooner
Do things live long enough in beta m+ for the dots to do damage?
tawdry pulsar
What weapon enchants?
balmy condor
for what
balmy condor
quick deadly for raids
deadly vers for m+ with a crit build
force suck, gale suck
balmy condor
yeah, deadly and vers XD
broken hollow
Sorry if this has been asked - but is there a WA that tracks envenom? I'm looking at my logs, and I only have 55% uptime on M Il'gynoth and I likely need to get that higher (I suspect I'm not using this enough in general). I'm using the Luxthos WAs and it doesn't look like it tracks this atm.
balmy condor
tracking envenom isn't very useful
that's usually why none of the wa packages track it
low girder
Your uptime isn't going to be all that high if you're running ct anyway
Went and checked my maut kill and I had 76% uptime and that's on basically patchwerk. Like whispyr said it's not that important.
broken hollow
ah. thanks. looking at top parses with folks of similar ilvl and seeing what i'm missing, really. That stood out, as did the number of mutilate casts.
fleet whale
envenom uptime isn't really a big deal atm
balmy condor
sounds like you're hitting adds way too much
broken hollow
I wish I could claim that. not really. There's some weird gaps with MC and a few other things, but mostly i was on il'gynoth, but just not casting enough. we'll see how it goes next time. tyvm!
bleak spoke
i think tracking rupture/garrote uptime is probably more important
relative to deadly poison
and then deadly poison in general tells you how often you are actually hitting stuff
idle nova
@broken hollow probably refreshing rupture/CT too early and not enough envenoms. also like you said if you're having less mutilate casts you're going to have less envenoms naturally
uncut dragon
Is FOK capped in shadowlands?
balmy condor
8 target
honest vessel
tooltip isnt updated yet afaik
inner sonnet
have noticed that when i use exsang on a target - the debuff on the target isnt updated and it still says, for example, 4k rup dmg every 1.2s - is that just a visual bug or smth?
balmy condor
no
because the tooltip doesn't change
Idk if you would consider that a bug
but I'm almost certain it's been that way from the start
inner sonnet
sorry, not the tooltip, the debuff icon active on a target
balmy condor
yes
the tooltip of the debuff
the debuff tooltip is static from time of application
inner sonnet
🤔 so even tho it's ticking at double speed, that's always true? weird
balmy condor
yeah, I mean tooltips don't mean shit tbh
you'll notice that if you have a vita proc when you apply, its like 0.7 seconds, and when its doesn't, you're at 0.9
but if it falls off halfway through, it doesn't change either
that's just how the tooltips work
fallow otter
Be happy they don't dynamically update I think, probably just cause lag
balmy condor
yeah
that's probably why they don't update
looking at tooltips in combat isn't something people do
so it's easy to just put the timer on there, and leave it be
that's the information people need
no one in their right mind is going to hover over a rupture to check how much damage its doing in the middle of progression :P
steep ridge
wrong channel.. I am an idiot sry
quasi hill
Is it fine to finish with a 4 CP rupture to prevent overcapping?
marsh raven
If you play with 5 CP max yes
marsh raven
It could be a good time to make a 1 combo generator, like refreshing a garrote, but if you can't don't go mutilate for 1 CP, it is a waste of DPS
If you play the Hasste / exanguinate build, go for deeper strat, haste makes a ton of regen anyway. If you don't have the haste to play exanguinate, i'm not sure, but i think it would be safer to play with vigor.
marsh raven
yes
quasi hill
Okay
marsh raven
without high levels of haste you need it to generate your energy
quasi hill
At trash pulls with multiple ruptures and garrotes up, I can't use up all my energy. Just pure singletarget it is really tight with energy as soon as vendetta ends
balmy condor
It be like that
Pool for energy for your TB’s
Otherwise just sit there and hate yourself
marsh raven
Yes. It is normal to overcap with 3 garrotes + ruptures. You can help it with high cost spenders, but you will probably overcap anyway. But most of the time you need the regen. Ofc the best is to sim to have an idea, but generally, it is advised to keep vigor
balmy condor
The mut crits make up for it
marsh raven
(with a low haste build)
quasi hill
Okay thanks for clarifying that for me
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ionic spruce
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terse citrus
Does shiv not proc seal of fate anymore? after some testing on PTR i've noticed its not awarding an extra cp on crits
amber quail
eager ibex
Do you ever 4CP envenom or 5CP CT? or is it only 5CP Envenoms and 6CP CT for ST
balmy condor
Finish at 5 with DS
eager ibex
Kk ty
balmy condor
Only exception is full 6cp pandemic rupture before an exsang obviously
:) no problem
fervent crest
I really hope Dispatch works out as a good choice in SL. It feels great to play with!
dull crypt
Was fun in cataclysm
modern schooner
@fervent crest you mean ambush?
fervent crest
yeah, got my spells mixed up, meant the talent Blindside which procs Ambush via Mutilate. Feels great.
It's messy in BFA but the reworked SL version feels great. I hope it turns out to be a decent choice.
modern schooner
I wish there was a macro for it and Mut. Kinda sucks to need a new keybind but it seems fun
fervent crest
A modifier macro kind of works
#showtooltip Mutilate /cast [nomod] Mutilate /cast [modifier:alt] Ambush
Something like that - I'm far from a macro expert, but it "works"
hold alt and press your regular mutilate button when you get a proc
grizzled jay
i just put Ambush where TB used to be, on 3
fleet whale
i'm putting shiv where TB used to be
lusty nacelle
I'm putting Ambush where poisoned knife was, moving poisoned knife somewhere else
vagrant mural
what is the community thoughts about snd back for sin? will we use it and make it stay up no matter what or is it just a thing keep it up but if it falls off for a few seconds no big deal? what will be SND priority?
lusty nacelle
earlier today there was a discussion about the Exsanguinate not updating the rupture tooltip, I think the reason is because the dot still ticks at the same interval it did before, but during exsang it ticks twice on that interval.
SnD will be pretty high priority, and since it has such a long duration, the pandemic window for it is pretty big, which makes it easy to keep your dots up
vagrant mural
if I am not wrong it does not produce energy right? it just makes the poisin hit more often?
will it synergize well with master poisoner?
thorny pond
Thoughts on going slaughter with blindside?
fleet whale
slaughter with blindside could be decent
it's not like sin has many great conduits atm
lusty nacelle
@vagrant mural does not produce energy, increases poison procs, yes. If you run the legendary that gives energy on poison crits, it'll give you more chances for that energy regen.
@thorny pond I didn't get to test if slaughter was useable with blindside, since slaughter is a copy of ambush, not replaces ambush. If it works, the conduit ability that increases slaughter damage will make it pretty good, but I'm not sure it will beat a free vanish with the 100% crit legendary
thorny pond
Was working on beta about 5 mins ago with blindside.
lusty nacelle
that's good news
vagrant mural
is slaughter a new skill? or a covenant skill
fleet whale
covenant skill
lusty nacelle
covenant that is literally a copy of ambush
but doesn't replace ambush for some reason
vagrant mural
what are we thinking aobut necro for sin?
thorny pond
It felt strong w/ the stupid envenom leggo
fleet whale
@lusty nacelle it doesn't because sub doesn't have ambush
if slaughter replaced ambush, it might screw with the coding regarding sub
vagrant mural
will serated bone spike be worth?
fleet whale
most likely
thorny pond
Gonna play around with it more
vagrant mural
what about sepsis the night fae one? i want to be night fae but i think that necro or venthyr will be better dps wise? what is the thinking from the commuynity raiding will be the focus mythic raiding
lusty nacelle
I'm thinking sepsis will be very strong
15s of 100% crit during the opener is pretty nice
vagrant mural
can we control the vanish so that we can time it with a rupter for more damage?
lusty nacelle
it goes off after 10s
vagrant mural
ok so no control
thorny pond
Sepsis felt good ST. M+ setting was meh
vagrant mural
then i think that slaughter or bone spike will be better
lusty nacelle
you can open and apply sepsis early in the rotation so that there's a 1-2s gap where you don't have the 100% crit
lusty nacelle
I really hope bonespike gets changed to proc energy regen
thorny pond
It's too strong on sub to give energy back
lusty nacelle
I meant with assassination
we get energy back from 2 bleeds
since bonespike is a bleed, it would be nice to synergize more with the spec
vagrant mural
they are stuck on the thought that Sin should be a slow spec
thorny pond
It would be. Hopefully then we would get off of vigor
vagrant mural
true
thorny pond
Bone feels good with DS but so slow
eager ibex
465 vers mastery boots + r3 honed mind simming 10k higher than 475 haste mastery boots.. has to be bug right?
lusty nacelle
the 475 has gushing wounds, HM3 > GW
eager ibex
Ya ik, but even if I put expedient on it the 465 is still higher
lusty nacelle
you're also at 16 corruption with the 475, if you are running the extra stats from corruption azerite, you're losing those stats as well
solar latch
when the adds spawn on vex how do ya pump the meters without empowered garrotes
dull crypt
Rogues dont really shine on adds
I just time crimson tempest and continue on boss, maybe apply one rupture if you arent mega on haste
But those adds melt nowadays, matter of seconds
void pecan
I throw shit on the dudes who smash, then go back to focusing boss
shell ivy
is wrathion trinket bis for assa?
tribal obsidian
How does sceptis perform. It gets synergy with MA lego right?
tired cipher
For those of y'all on beta, how is Sepsis for world content? Does the auto-vanish reset enemies if you're solo?
grizzled jay
you get 2-3 server ticks to damage them before they reset
the people who say it's an instant reset are probably EU or CN with high ping