assassination

[balmy condor]

@silent dawn that's a sim question

[silent dawn]

it simed dd being slightly better

but idk if thats actually the case

cause cleave etc

[low girder]

it changes depending on access to gear

[dark crag]

Then i restored it for the 1k tr

[silent dawn]

what are the best azerite traits for arena pvp?

and im guessing gushing is still the best corruption

[balmy condor]

#pvp

in the pins

[sonic spindle]

Has there been any idea on what the covenenat will be for Sin, or we waiting for more finalized numbers?

[balmy condor]

bone spike atm is overtuned to shit

kyrian is dead

night fae has potential

and slaughter poison is janky but depends on tuning

[sonic spindle]

Seems like it's still a waiting game, thanks for the reply

[balmy condor]

always has been

[umbral echo]

^

[balmy condor]

half of sub is bugged

[sonic spindle]

fair enough, it just seems like a lot of classes already have a set cov they're determined will be the go-to

[umbral echo]

for the moment

[balmy condor]

yeah, that's bone spike

but its beta

[umbral echo]

yeah, though rather not

[balmy condor]

and tuning happens

so if they've determined a go-to

they're probably saying for now

and not for live

cause no one know what'll happen until live

[bleak patio]

Covenants seem like a potential shit show

[balmy condor]

that is indeed the biggest concern of sl

[jolly helm]

How do you guys manage single target energy regenaration? Is pooling way to go? Is there a way in which I can keep spamming mutilate?

[void pecan]

If you're haste build you don't have to worry about that

[jolly helm]

I can max my haste to 60s but still would have problems I believe

[balmy condor]

that seems wrong

60s in haste is more than enough

are you using lucid?

or has that left your sim

[jolly helm]

I have lucid, I haven't hasted in a bit, I have it as my minor

rank 3

simmed^

not hasted lol

[balmy condor]

yeah then you should be drowning in energy

[jolly helm]

Okay, ill double check maybe I am doing smth wrong

[bleak patio]

Best assassin M+ trinkets?

[balmy condor]

depends on build

[bleak patio]

crit mast

[balmy condor]

crit mast

yikes

[bleak patio]

or vers crit

[balmy condor]

with a crit build, plumage spyglass

but if you're eb stacking

try and get rid of mast

[bleak patio]

Are people still running crit vers high key builds?

[balmy condor]

in high high keys, they run crit vers with versatiles

[bleak patio]

What about 15-20 whats optimal

[balmy condor]

haste builds strictly just don't work past like 26/27

depends on dungeon and comp

[bleak patio]

okay if im not trying to have 15 gear sets and I wanna play with the boys

[balmy condor]

that actually isn't a different question

[bleak patio]

that still isn't an answer lmao

Like what is gonna be the generic most effective build

for just random keys

with randoms

[balmy condor]

if you're doing random keys with randoms

on tyran

you're gonna probably see more with a haste build

and it does fine in fort

if you're trying to aoe pump, you go crit

but it'll suck on tyran

[bleak patio]

kk yea

[balmy condor]

like idk what you're expecting

[void pecan]

To tell people how to play their character all the time

whispyr. Please. Keep up.

[balmy condor]

yeah you right, sorry

I think we should all play blindside and exsang with a full mastery build

that sounds fun

[void pecan]

Sounds like someone has inside knowledge.

[balmy condor]

raz told me the secret

[void pecan]

The future of assassin..

[astral pasture]

currently at 60% base haste.. what should my major/minor essences be? currently im using bote major, memory/formless void/breath minor

[balmy condor]

that's a sim question

[astral pasture]

figured

[balmy condor]

but that's a very typical setup

[void pecan]

I'm a CLF major boy.

I have seen the light.

Except when fucks pull before timer is over

[strange python]

what the cutoff for haste like 80%?

[void pecan]

There isn't one 🙂

Crit though.. 34%. /s

[strange python]

ok ok

[balmy condor]

that's a meme btw

no breakpoints for any stats

[strange python]

im at 85% and it feels like i have too much energy

[void pecan]

Yep, happens

[balmy condor]

as long as it sims higher

should be seeing some other gems/enchants popping up

I wouldn't be surprised if you saw crit gems and masterful instead of quick nav for example

[humble valley]

I see a lot of parses switching of mem of LD to formless void. Is there a certain general haste % y'all do that or is it just b/c Carapace is pretty grouped together?

[balmy condor]

It’s haste%

But there’s no true breakpoint

Usually towards 65%ish

[humble valley]

Gotcha. I'm right at 65 so I'll give it a try

Ty

[balmy condor]

Yuh just keep simming

[humble valley]

What uptime do you put on the Symbiotic Presence uptime? Just the standard 90% or go lower?

[balmy condor]

Depends on your raid

90% is usually fairly safe

[humble valley]

Mmk I'll run with that. Thanks!

Does it matter if I run Quick Nav in my main/off hand? Will it always just be random sim variance?

[balmy condor]

Which dagger it’s on has no effect

[dull crypt]

https://i.imgur.com/O33TsNF.png gonna feel so weird to drop my beautiful haste

[strange python]

why are you running mastery instead of haste @dull crypt

whats your haste at

[balmy condor]

because other stats start to get better

that's how it works

the like full BiS people don't have haste gems anymore

[dull crypt]

yeah was at 89% unbuffed so was time to drop some

[balmy condor]

its like crit/vers/mast gems

[dull crypt]

just hadnt looked into it yet

find it very hard to not overcap haste at burst/exsang stages with that amount anyway

for ctf it wants me to put the haste gems back though z.z

[prisma sail]

dumb question, what are the best pots for sin rogues right now in raids? just dusted off my rogue

[balmy condor]

either unbridled or focused

but that also changes depending on sim

[prisma sail]

thx

[runic kiln]

hold vanish on xanesh for soccer phase adds?

garrote 2nd/3rd because theyll live longer?

[dull crypt]

I wouldnt hold cds for them

[runic kiln]

what if im trying to padd

[dull crypt]

They die really fast with current gear

[runic kiln]

bleh

[dull crypt]

Garrote doesnt get full benefit from it especially if youre running and shadowstepping around

arent you assigned to a kick?

[runic kiln]

nope

[dull crypt]

what a dream

[runic kiln]

glories of trialing

not expected to do shit but damage and not die

[dull crypt]

does anyone have any strong opinions on whether to play ctf or bote on carapace progress? been using bote since its a bit more flexible and bursty in p2 aswell

[fleet anchor]

Personally I'm not really sure it's worth regemming in most cases but kinda depends on what the stats on your gear look like

At least for my gear it's basically within error margin even at high precision sims

[fallow otter]

Mine blows out to like 200dps

Clf it's still a haste fiesta but blood the gems move away

[low girder]

for me clf wants vers gems

but yeah 200 dps either way

[grizzled jay]

broke 100k sim dps woo

[low girder]

so less than a neck level

[fallow otter]

Next question is whether I can be fucked doing hm and an exp2 over exp3 full house

For a similar amount of dps

I think I'll just prefer less corruption

[low girder]

i set up one dagger with GW and one with HM3

lol

or will, the dagger's clean until next week when i can run it and be under 40

[north spruce]

dumb question but is the raden wep meme thing still a thing?

[fallow otter]

Not in my group, adds die way too fast

[balmy condor]

never really was a thing

[north spruce]

fair enough

[crude kelp]

test

hi

[heady pier]

i'm running a crit build for mythic+, and I have a 455 dagger with a gem slot that totals 95 crit on the weapon, and I also have a 465 weapon with zero crit. One of these will be my offhand (main is a 465 with some crit). Which one would you guys run?

[balmy condor]

I'd run the 455 with a socket

offhand ilvl is pretty w/e

sockets are kinda big tho

[heady pier]

yeah, that's what i figured, thanks!

[runic kiln]

dagger isnt real

[fallow otter]

How many kills you at

[runic kiln]

dont know, but we had 3 rogues all roll and havent seen one for three weeks

just sitting here looking at 97 parses and no daggers. /wrist

[fallow otter]

Yeh, low drop rate need to kill more

[runic kiln]

i just want my epeen parses with big daggers

sitting on HM3 and Exp3 because i know the second i put em on these shitters the big boys will drop

[low girder]

i'm not even gonna get to use them

we're done raiding prolly lol

unless we land more sales

rip

[harsh anchor]

baseline garrote tick is 2 seconds yes?

with 0% haste

[balmy condor]

yes

[vital haven]

just killed nzoth for the first time in 2 months

got an 80 parse

rip

[balmy condor]

you're still 100 in my heart nairda

[vital haven]

❤️

you always know what to say @balmy condor

[fallow otter]

Blame the others for being slow

Did you get buff for other parse? My 97 is no buff because I'm bad at remembering to collect red swirlies until there isn't any left

[bleak spoke]

@vital haven I miss raiding with you

[vital haven]

good times

[bleak spoke]

God id never seen roster boss be that strong until that guild

“So uh check friends lists for anyone who can do beckon?”

“Billy is unsaved on his uldir geared druid attttac”

[eager ibex]

If CT is simming 1 to 3k less than Poison bomb is it just better to use CT due to not relying on RNG?

[balmy condor]

3k is kinda huge

[bleak spoke]

Nah pb just sucks

[balmy condor]

but generally if its pretty close

[bleak spoke]

And haste makes ct better to cast

[balmy condor]

then yeah

[bleak spoke]

It’s basically a little more dmg/execute than envenom if you already have envenom buff right

Just from tooltips alone

[eager ibex]

Yer im sitting at 48% haste unbuffed

[fallow otter]

I smell a TTk trait

[balmy condor]

ye same

but its w/e

[fallow otter]

@eager ibex got a topgear sim handy?

[fiery cradle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/39X6E6ToizSFCehn3psQ4N
corruption will b gone b4 i finish mine lol xd

[fallow otter]

I would swap if I were you

[fiery cradle]

i did already yee

[pastel hatch]

Heyo! Ive got some questions about assa and Mythic Nzoth. Ive killed Nzoth alrdy multiple tunes on my dh and often I'm in 1st psychus phase. After gearing up my rogue (haste build) I want to bring it. Is there any best way how to play psychus 1 and where to use coolies in this fight? If theres a guide for reference I'm also fine to read that.

[fallow otter]

Cookie will depend on healers CDs

[pastel hatch]

Meant coolies damn autocorrect haha

[fallow otter]

Cloak the first fire mechanic when you go down

Cd opener then nzoth

[pastel hatch]

So first basher and then always on nzoth?

[fallow otter]

That's what we all do now but it wasn't always like this for prog but if you guys have it on farm then yeh always nzoth for me

Depending on kill timer you can cloak the evoke after secret

Or the one after that for more dps

[pastel hatch]

Ye I'll have to immune the soak before secret as well idk if cloak is up by then.

But the one after it I think it should be up.

Cloak the first fire mechanic when you go down
@fallow otter

Do you mean the first flames here?

[fallow otter]

You can feint evoke, helps if you want to stack it

Yep first flames I cloak, lasts full duration and helps if you are one of the kickers and tricksing adds

You can CC 2 mobs for the mind grasp also

Very easily

[pastel hatch]

Cool. Thanks for answering!

[solar flicker]

doesnt ur sanity still get cucked if u shroud the flames?

[balmy condor]

nop

[low girder]

no, if you immune you don't take sanity dmg

same as the thought harvesters

[outer kernel]

guys i finally got gorak tuls shourldes but dont know why they are simming 300 less dps than the mechagon shoulders :S

[balmy condor]

cause mecha shoulders are sick

[solar flicker]

if u dont take sanity dmg from psychos while cloaked

then im trolling

[low girder]

that's the whole point of immuning it lol

[balmy condor]

that's why you're taken

[solar flicker]

not thot harvesters

psychophage aoe

[low girder]

oh those, idk

just move

[balmy condor]

^

[solar flicker]

ya im a topside only cuck in my guild

so i assumed flames had the same interaction as psychos

[outer kernel]

@balmy condor but i thought gorak tuls are bis :S

[balmy condor]

not for everyone

[outer kernel]

wow thats rly sad XD

[balmy condor]

especially short fights

kinda sick

[solar flicker]

clockwork fucks in short fights so hard

minuterogue

[balmy condor]

its almost 1k over goraks in 3min for me

kinda nutty

[solar flicker]

:o

[outer kernel]

well now i am rly rly mad xD

[eager ibex]

Yea im in a new guild progging on cara so it's 5 min sim @fallow otter https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c2pmnnzN8JYXwrnLz5h91c

[balmy condor]

well

its not ttk

[fallow otter]

True

[low girder]

43 corruption yikes

go up or down, don't stay there

[urban gale]

are you really supposed ct if the mut after vendetta in the opener is 5 cp?

[balmy condor]

yes

[urban gale]

how much of a difference are we talking

[balmy condor]

minimal

[urban gale]

i would have thought the time lost on the garrote part of the exsang would make that not make sense

very interesting

[eager ibex]

Sim is outdated I have 39 corrupt I upgraded not long ago

[balmy condor]

the import is from 8/26

[low girder]

i was gonna play with it until i realized whispyr has like 3x my iterations

lol

[balmy condor]

I ain't playing with it

am I supposed to play with it

[low girder]

aren't you the sim guy

[balmy condor]

I am indeed the sim guy

[low girder]

lol

[harsh sphinx]

no do me

[balmy condor]

I'll do you any day

swing by my place later bb, I'll give you my schnitzel

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fY89vv9kxa6K2mqgL8vuhY

[urban gale]

doesn't corruption make ilvl bracket ratings in warcraft logs a little bit inaccurate

[fallow otter]

@eager ibex you can probably get more, I was trying to get you away from DD lol

[urban gale]

or at least not that even a comparison

[low girder]

they've been that way for a while

i wouldn't pay attention to them

[balmy condor]

ilvl parses have never been accurate

lmao

[urban gale]

ah

[balmy condor]

aight stunkei has peaked my interest

we shall engage

in the fistycuffs

[low girder]

lmao

[fallow otter]

Sim the DD helm

I guess

[low girder]

the shoulders are super weird

[balmy condor]

you don't like the 480 pvp shouldres?

[low girder]

who puts dd/ttk + ss on shoulders, blizzard pls

[balmy condor]

cmon that's the best part

oh he has clf3

that feels cheaty

we're not doing that

[fallow otter]

Hahaha cheaty

Blood or gtfo?

Lol

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m3MAAZPMhTBnFRKYk5iAJ9

well

found another 1100

but I cba going any harder

me thinks I can probably get 104 maybe if I try really hard

or just use clf

[low girder]

would've figured that was enough haste to drop the lucid

i guess few sockets

[fallow otter]

Hey I'm trying to make CT work

You just bailed it, that's cheaty

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q15Z76gzFkvw59DSa9R4kG

[balmy condor]

nah

its there

:P

[fallow otter]

Im an exp slave

[balmy condor]

how did you manage to undersim my blood ct

my disappointment is mounting

[fallow otter]

Just kept his corruptions

[balmy condor]

you didn't even take the free socket

cmon maaaaaaaan

[fallow otter]

And gear

[harsh sphinx]

have you gambled shoulders at all

[balmy condor]

I got goraks today actually

thanks for asking

[fallow otter]

Went straight for build, gems and Azerite

[harsh sphinx]

"some" people go multiple tiers without getting goraks. very skillful of you

[eager ibex]

lol yo guys doing 3 min sims

[fallow otter]

@balmy condor

[harsh sphinx]

most fights are around 3min these days

3-4

[low girder]

i still haven't gotten extravagant

😦

not that it matters anymore

[balmy condor]

I'll sim you a 12 minute nzoth

would you prefer that

that's toxic

I'm kidding

I'll give you a 5 min hold on

[fallow otter]

Lol

[eager ibex]

Ya I have 2 or 3 different item sets one for heroic./fast kills and atm just sussing longer kill times since my guild is stuck on carapace

[fallow otter]

You should switch to whispers sim, using CT and blood imo

[eager ibex]

And its a bit scuffed because I only started BFA about 3 month ago and originally was gearing for arena, hence the gushing wounds 😛

Whispers sim?

[balmy condor]

yeah idk who this whisper guy is

[fallow otter]

Auto correct means is you

[eager ibex]

Ohh you mean the one you linked hahaha I thought you talking about a website or something

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m3MAAZPMhTBnFRKYk5iAJ9

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/88s8wfCaKZ8DGf7mMypbkK

have a 5 min

I would take the blood tho

and maybe the 3rd ss

[eager ibex]

Okay, cheers guys ❤️

[balmy condor]

they're all surprisingly close

[eager ibex]

Yeah thats the struggle rn XD

[strange python]

Any prepatchbuilds?

[balmy condor]

alacrity blindside

prepatch builds are kinda

prepatch is big whatever

[fallow otter]

Are we allowed to answer sub?

[crimson palm]

no

[balmy condor]

only hemo

cause he's a stinky blue

[crimson palm]

stinky

[fallow otter]

This might be a wasteland in SL

You gotta start considering

Haha

[balmy condor]

I already have a sub set ready

[low girder]

lol

i have so much haste in my set

sub's gonna be hyper fast

gonna have to swap some shit

[fallow otter]

Pre type !assassination in bot channel in preparation

[low girder]

i'll prolly play everything tbh, sin even felt fine with alacrity + blindside

prepatch is the only time you can play everything effectively anyway 😭

[placid dawn]

how do you guys sim for m+?

[balmy condor]

5-6 target 1min

[leaden spruce]

i miss hemorrage for some reason

[balmy condor]

But @crimson palm is right here

It’s the same thing

Both are rogue fantasies

And both are old and boomer

[low girder]

wow

[crimson palm]

[placid dawn]

is it patchwerk 5-6 targets?

[balmy condor]

Yeh

No lust or raid buffs either

If you’re into that

[placid dawn]

what is a good number to aim for for that kind of sim?

[balmy condor]

Oh the apl is completely fucked for aoe

DPS number and most gearing things are kinda big ???

Cause it’s pretty inaccurate

I wouldn’t worry bout it

It gives a general idea

Just like dungeon slice would give you a general idea

But most m+ stuff is feely-crafted

[devout fiber]

Woa

[placid dawn]

I know it gives a feeling, but still

If im simming 200k and some big boi is simming 400k I would like to know

[balmy condor]

6 target 1 min with raid buffs enabled lands me at 300k

[placid dawn]

cool, thanks

[celest sundial]

What are the highest people are simming for assa currently? (while staying under 60 preferable)

[balmy condor]

120 for 5min

[wet ruin]

who is even fighting 6 targets for 1 min??

[balmy condor]

I mean, off the top of my head, ryfie and probably most people doing anything higher than like a 23

[silver quiver]

question about aoe opener,G1 G2 G3 R1 FoK Env BotE 5xFoK. R1, do you want that to be full combo points, and the Env?

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter tbh

[silver quiver]

So stick to that opener, yeah?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but why would you use the non ct opener

Kinda weird

[low girder]

Also if you're using ss like you should be that first finisher after g3 will automatically be full CPs

[silver quiver]

I didn't know it was standard/baseline, I'm just messing around on my rogue because i woke up early >.<

[balmy condor]

CT in aoe for sure

Pb is real weak

[silver quiver]

@low girder SS as in system shock the pvp talent?

[low girder]

Meaning shrouded suffocation

[balmy condor]

Pvp Talents for aoe discussion

Holy what

[silver quiver]

That's why I was like, what? But i couldn't find what matched the SS acronym.

[balmy condor]

I think I just had a system shock

But ye

Ss is kinda massive in m+ especially

Our best trait by far

[silver quiver]

Is that an azerite trait?

Ah, gotcha.

[night kindle]

Can someone explain what the G1 G2 etc is referring to pls?

[low girder]

Garrote

[night kindle]

Thank you.

[balmy condor]

Np

[patent topaz]

garret 1

garret 2

garret 3

crimson tempest

its fucking over

[humble tiger]

So this might sound stupid, but when doing dungeon slice poison bomb is nearly always better than tempest (low gear/465)
Does the sim tale into account how random PB is?
Like it pops at the beginning of a pack like 1 in 10 cases
Most of the time it procs when 1-3 mobs are left

[balmy condor]

Do you have ttk equipped

[humble tiger]

Ttk?

(German client so shorts are not the same)

[brave lion]

Twist the knife

[balmy condor]

Envenom trait

[humble tiger]

I don't think so, does it matter fir poison bomb?

[balmy condor]

It gets rid of CT entirely

Link the sim

[chilly granite]

It does that even in dungeon slice?

[balmy condor]

Well it definitely doesn’t help it

[humble tiger]

I'm not currently simming sorry, im working. I just did some sims sone time ago and remembered to ask

[balmy condor]

Don’t remember the apl off the top of my head

[uncut schooner]

Whisp go bed.

[balmy condor]

I will when you manage to hit 100k sim

[uncut schooner]

Chest keeps giving me outlaw pieces or shitty trinkets.

[placid dawn]

guys, i need some pointers on my sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eNyehchj8wNY5Qc5iAUGVe

Aside from gems and expedients of course

[subtle drift]

Blood of the enemy major essence would be better i guess

And Potion of Focused Resolve for ST instead of Unbridled Fury

[celest ruin]

also mechagon rings

[placid dawn]

blood r3 and potion improve sim by 800

[humble tiger]

Then you could actually go to sleep :D

[placid dawn]

How are people reaching 115k-125k?

i know 2 expedients more is 104k dps, are the extra 5 sockets that big?

and mechagon rings also huge?

[tropic ocean]

infexious video up on rogue in shadowlands

@sullen pagoda

pure gold

[iron valve]

if I wanted to listen to a scott yell about things I already know I'd call my dad

[tropic ocean]

wdym he has 13 years of top 100 raiding experience

except that he has 0 hall of fame achievements

🤷

[sullen pagoda]

[timid coral]

say my rupture is at 22, and garrote is at 12, and exang comes off CD. should i reapply fresh garrote and 5/6cp rupture, and exang? or wait until they reach pandemic and hold exang until both are reapplied to get above 25 and 15?

[tropic ocean]

refresh for max duration

[patent topaz]

reapply both

[timid coral]

ok so wowanalyzer gets kinda wonky in that regard since we are applying "too fast" to get exang on CD faster right

[patent topaz]

wowanalyzer doesnt work for assaa

[tropic ocean]

its not updated

and also cant really handle out of the box decisions

[timid coral]

ok, thank you

[dusk moat]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Baiza?utm_source=addon

guys wuld u switch all striketruhs for expediant?

for tyranical

[tropic ocean]

you can just play full expedient in any affix

but especially for tyrannical its good

[dusk moat]

but keep no severe then at all?

[wary ice]

I tihnk you can safely get away with 2-3 severes max

you only need to hit like 50%ish (resting)

that said I'm coming around to haste in Dungeons.

[timid coral]

with prepatch coming soon, should i get Severe (now) gushing (next tues) or expedient (tues after this next)

https://raider.io/characters/us/illidan/Grizzlyski

i cannot seem to sim over 80k with any combination of gushing expedient or severe - at 98 corruption since my cloak is a little low

[honest vessel]

if you're still focused on raiding def go full expedient

its far and away the best

i'd wait for it

[timid coral]

my 1 infinite stars rank 3 seems to be holding it's own against 'predecited' 7 stack expedient

both are around 72-75k dps

[honest vessel]

it can, and stars is simbait p hard, rng pull to pull and REALLY rng on the last couple of fights

but the damage can be good

[timid coral]

is severe still decent in raid tho? like enough to play crit build and be ok. or is it not the best for M+ much anymore

as in, if i'd like to succeed as much as i can in both before prepatch. since i really only have IS corruption right now

[honest vessel]

its aight, some people do a mix of severe and expedient in raid, but the expedients are more important to make the SS and xsang worth taking

crit is much more important in dungeons

but it's not bad in raids

quite a few people do really well by having like half and half exp severe

[main forge]

Point for point, expedient will be better on average. But using a mix of another corruption instead may only lower dps by 100-500... maybe 1000 dps at best. And when you are pulling 100k over 3 minutes.... fight mechanics will cause more issues to your dps than corruption

[tropic ocean]

you can just use raidbots to determine what of your corruptions are the best

[timid coral]

so buying 4-5 severes right now, will help boost my DPS now and benefit me in both. i just don't wnat to hold out on doing more dps until sept 8 then prepatch comes 2 weeks after or something

i have been @tropic ocean

[tropic ocean]

you should not buy 4-5 severes

[timid coral]

numerous 5.5mil combinations

[honest vessel]

crit dr's really hard

[tropic ocean]

you buy 3 and fill the rest with strikethrough

[honest vessel]

you only want like 2-3 severes really

[tropic ocean]

4 at max

[timid coral]

ok

[silent magnet]

Any guides for sin rogue pvp
Bgs
And dueling

[timid coral]

sounds like it's best to hold out until sept 8 for stacking expedient

[main forge]

the pvp channel has that information @silent magnet

in the pins there

[silent magnet]

it says for arenas

[tropic ocean]

probably yeah

[silent magnet]

and the other one is for pve

[tropic ocean]

expedient servers u well in all m+

you can play raid build

[timid coral]

👍 i'll get my cloak upgraded and farm echoes

sitting at 21k right now

[tropic ocean]

you need 45.000 to do all ur gear

[timid coral]

i've got 1 currently . so just 40 😄

oh last question here, does the expedient haste exang SS build struggle in AOE for m+?

[main forge]

Yes and no...

[tropic ocean]

no it doesnt

[timid coral]

or should i have a secondary set of gear wtih Echoing blades traites

[tropic ocean]

it cant compete in high target count aoe (like td first pull)

but its superior in cleave

[main forge]

Like SS + EB pieces are BiS... but you can do quite well with just SS

[tropic ocean]

superior in prio, superior in boss

[main forge]

The hardest part is getting restealthed... so if the tank just chain pulls, thats where it becomes hard.... Shadowmeld and Vanish though can help that out

[timid coral]

awesome. thanks for the help here

[vast forum]

SS/hod/bbi build pumps even in big aoe if the fight isn't too long

[main forge]

with full expedient though... and just SS traits... the only classes that beat me regularly are mages and hunters. sometimes a DK or DH

[vast forum]

so on low keys, assuming you don't chainpull, you can burst 400-500k

@main forge that depends on players a lot 😄 i did a +24 waycrest a few days ago with a frost DK doing 180k overall

[viscid hill]

Will exsanguinate works after prepatch with corruptions gone?

[vast forum]

work? yes. good? no

[timid coral]

i've seen full expedient do shit tons of damage, but my sims for it are garbage and it makes me wonder what is wrong

[mellow pier]

It wont be good

U will be alacrity most likely

[timid coral]

guessing my 445 off hand isn't helping

[vast forum]

exsanguinate is a dead talent in SL unless they retune it

[viscid hill]

Ic

[honest vessel]

rip xsang it was a good run

[mellow pier]

Its dead talent until they remove it imo

Shiv and exsang gonna be weird lol

[timid coral]

xsang seems to come hard and then go to shit in spurts

[vast forum]

there's 0% chance we get enough haste for it if they keep their word and don't add systems upon systems

[main forge]

@vast forum I have seen just straight good players that know their class inside and out just straight up rail on meta classes

[vast forum]

yes, rail on bad players of meta classes

[tropic ocean]

one thing you really need to keep mind is that in many cases

its bad to do more aoe

[vast forum]

good players on bad classes can't do 230k overall dps like a good fire mage can

[tropic ocean]

dont look at your individual dps

but at your groups dps

[mellow pier]

^

[main forge]

Group DPS and group mechanics...

[mellow pier]

Individual dps numbers are based on who u bring

[tropic ocean]

in siege for example you will do btter with raid build than echoing

[mellow pier]

My dmg is much higher without a firemage

[tropic ocean]

especially when playing with hunter and firemage

[mellow pier]

But my groups is lower

[main forge]

doesn't matter that you spike to 500k dps when you all die in sanquine puddles and earthquakes

[tropic ocean]

the more you can let your hunter aoe the better your group dps will be

compared you doing 20k more overall

[timid coral]

that makes sense

[tropic ocean]

like in sots first boss

you'll pull small plobs into boss

[main forge]

as a rogue... you can lose DPS by utilizing stuns and using our control too

[tropic ocean]

and noone touches them

so hunter can reset cd

witht em

[main forge]

I have kidney shot some pulls instead of putting up 3x SS

[tropic ocean]

same in most siege packs if u play with bm hunter

you don't want to echo the adds away

[full jungle]

Ae a rogue i try to do the least amount of interrupts so i can blast more /s

[tropic ocean]

just pump horse or caster

you'll do less overall

but finish the key faster

[timid coral]

so it isn't uncommon for us to be lower / lowest on the dps

[tropic ocean]

its not uncommon

[mellow pier]

Unless its workshop im usually last on dmg for my key group. But i have to do a whole lot of bullshit

[tropic ocean]

depending on key height and group

[timid coral]

even if i'm runnign with an arms warrior + bm hunter

[tropic ocean]

you cant compete overall with hunter/mage

unless you just simply outskill them

[mellow pier]

I think junk and workshop are the only ones i play sin for as well

Junk i can actually beat firemage if i get good pulls

Until last boss pack tho

Then they cheese the buff

[timid coral]

arms warrior + bm hunter + me + brm monk is our comp right now. and without any corruption besides IS i was about 20mil behind the warrior decked in expedient

some pulls i do more , and bosses i did way more

but aoe just struggled with just IS

[mellow pier]

Warrior should destroy u

Warrior is prob the best dps melee

They just dont do a whole lot else

And cant live in higher keys

[tropic ocean]

you shouldnt really worry about overall

[mellow pier]

IS is really bad tho

[tropic ocean]

focus on boss, prio,interrupts, cc

and if your group has some brain cells they will like you for it

[snow glacier]

ive never seen a good warrior in the 23-25 keys range :-)

[mellow pier]

Ya they die too much in that range

[tropic ocean]

the goal should be to time the key

[mellow pier]

U bring a rogue to simp for ur mage

[tropic ocean]

and not to do the most overall

if you look at the logged r1 keys noone cares about rogue or dh dmg

they are solely supports for mage

doing 50% or less in some instances

of what mage dps does

[main forge]

warrior has huge burst potential... I seen a warrior do a 5 mask vision in quite less than 30 minutes early on with less corruption.... pulling 100k the entire time straight chain pulling.... and it takes me upwards of 40 minutes.... and being quite methodical about it

[mellow pier]

It still takes u 40mins?

[tropic ocean]

you can also do some nice things with iron wire

[main forge]

Not sure, it has been a minute >_>

[tropic ocean]

solo controlling 3 mobs for 18 sec or so

(casters)

[mellow pier]

I had 5masks down to like 20 and i thought it was slow

[tropic ocean]

especially noteworthy in shrine

[main forge]

I fucking go slow as hell and look for everything. I'll have to give it a go and see how I do.

[mellow pier]

Rogue is basically required for shrine yeah

We do so much in that key

[snow glacier]

definately dont need a rogue for a high shrine xd

[mellow pier]

Well yeah wrong word

They are incredibly good

[main forge]

we do get a 7 second stun... with a 6 combo point kideny

[tropic ocean]

the first few pulls on shrine are one of the scenarios where assa is in my opinion superior to outlaw

[mellow pier]

We are required for TD tho :p

[tropic ocean]

when it comes to control

[mellow pier]

Outlaw is better for the giga snap tho

IMO

Since u can hook back up

The 4 caster snap

[tropic ocean]

idk for the ones I did just tank snapped it

or got it shot on by hunter

[mellow pier]

U can make a route for it tho for sure

TD and Atal are the real big ones where outlaw shines over sin IMO

The rest it doesnt really matter a whole lot

[tropic ocean]

why atal

[mellow pier]

Huge snaps and vanish being needed

It feels bad to sit on vanish a lot as sin for me

Atleast for my group doing atal with the middle pack snap outlaw was a lot better

[main forge]

outlaw probably does pump better for that pack

[mellow pier]

And we snap a lot onto rezan so outlaw is better dps for that

We dont even do dmg for that snap

I snap mid and 2 saurids and then snap 3 saurids right after when tricks back up

I miss all the aoe

[silent magnet]

Is there any addons you guys can advice me to use? for pvp / gearing up

[mellow pier]

Do u only pvp?

[silent magnet]

well i do try to get mounts whenever i see an easy one

and yeah pretty much i only play bgs

is there anything else to do in the game beside roleplaying furries?

[mellow pier]

U dont really need anything tbh if thats ur only content

Theres raiding, m+, arena

Some more stuff

[tropic ocean]

I find nameplate auras really helpful in pvp

and for arena gladius

[mellow pier]

He doesnt do arena

[placid dawn]

whats is your ST dps while in m+ gear? im simming at 74k :/ seems way to low

Also, raid only has 1 crit vers piece :/ sucks

[wary ice]

how long is your sim for ST?

It should be like 3 minutes at most

or rather; if you're doing a full 5-6 min sim in m+ gear to sim for a m+ boss; even on tyr its going to look very low.

[mystic osprey]

I Wasn’t able to catch the rogue round table yesterday. Any major takeaways?

[vast forum]

stuff's very broken, class is good enough baseline, dev communication is abysmal

[wary ice]

so about the same as the previous betas.

[vast forum]

nothing out of the ordinary

[harsh anchor]

Nzoth (mythic) uptime: I have roughly 53% uptime in nzoth damage and parse green. Other than the timing for when I vendetta with my teams comp for damage to tentacles/shattered phase, where am I missing damage uptime? I don’t go down for psychus, either set and typically line up my vendettas to fit each shatter and have it timed to have 5 throughout the fight. Also, is it worth at all to bust out a BOTE with an ex sang in a circumstance where I can’t pump with vendetta then hold for next pump on nzoth?

[placid dawn]

my sim for that 74k was for 3 min

no lust or shout or monk buff

its 89k with all buffs

[sand whale]

I did the memes tonight

lash/folly on hivemind

[celest sundial]

So I asked earlier how much people manage to sim while staying under 60 corruption and was told around 120, any ideas as to what I can do to improve mine? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iyJsQpExgWJyGJXWaxvXBc

[eager ibex]

is honed mind rank 3 really that good? on a 465 vers/mast its simming like 3k higher than a 475 haste/mastery with expedient rank 3

[shut garnet]

no one sims 120 on 5 minutes under 60 unless every piece is 475

[sand whale]

did you ask them if they're talking about 3min or 5min sim? lol

no one sims 5 anymore

[celest sundial]

it was earlier today and they said 5 min

[shut garnet]

125-130k on 3 mins is more reasonable

[celest sundial]

Only items I dont have 475 is the mechagon rings because, well, reasons

[eager ibex]

101k dps 3 minute sim with honed mind rank 3 on 465 boots vers/mast, then with 475 boots hast/mastery Expedient rank 3 92k...

honed mind adding 8k dps for real?

[tropic ocean]

nah

most likely you changed something in sim

gear/buff-wise

[eager ibex]

oh I lost HoD i drop to 21 corrupt

[tropic ocean]

and 120k sim in 5min is pretty much endgame gear

[shut garnet]

120k in 5min under 60 is legit not doable tho unless uve rng’ed m+ pieces at 475

im like 99% sure

or uve farmed HoA level

its usually more like 116-118

[celest sundial]

oh yeah forgot about HoA

can actually gain some serious dps per level now

[vital haven]

it is doable

actually maybe not

didnt read the last part of the first sentence

[shut garnet]

yep

[wicked quartz]

or if you use infinite stars which is a sim trap?

[shut garnet]

duh

[crimson palm]

At 79 corr it's doable with a neck level around 98-99 (no clf)

[shut garnet]

well

i think u can do it with 9exp and blood if ur heart level is that high

pretty sure its like 700-800dmg per level at this point

and i think i sim around 117k 5 mins with neck 92ish

[swift timber]

just wondering, what makes bote sim better than clf for some people anyways

certain amount of haste?

[grizzled jay]

fight duration

[surreal solar]

multiple things really

[grizzled jay]

a 3m sim only gets 1 clf, a 5m sim gets 2.

[shut garnet]

on 3-5 mins clf should sim better though, it's just preference prob

[grizzled jay]

2nd clf is worth a lot

[shut garnet]

and the fac tthat blood is a lot more valuable on multi target encounters also

[swift timber]

clf @ 3mins with no fight variance sims literally 3 dps better so I suppose I should just use it whenever it makes sense to?

my gear is far from amazing tho so that's 117k @3min

[dark citrus]

Opinions on best major essence when you don’t have BoE or CLF? (don’t PVP and only started raiding recently with Nya course I’m 12/12 heroic now)... I’ve done a lot of rotating between majors and can’t tell a huge real world diff. Probably WVR with friends or BotD maybe?

[devout fiber]

Why would it not be better to garrote twice then rupture?

then you get a 5cp rupture?

[swift timber]

extra tick of garrote

[surreal solar]

garrote tick + a pandemic rupture

[strange python]

What’s a pandemic rupture?

[dark citrus]

See, I’m not the only one lol... needs to be explained better somewhere 🤪

Basically if you refresh a dot before it expires, up to 30% of its time is added to the new dot

So garrote -> rupture -> garrote -> vendetta -> mutilate -> rupture -> Exsang gives you a 30% longer empowered garrote and 30% longer rupture for your Exsang

[devout fiber]

what happens if u dnt run exsang

[dark citrus]

Still gives you longer dots

So you can put more envenoms in toxic blade windows

Unless it is an Exsang bleed (which you want to let it expire) the idea is you want to refresh your dots close to the 30% timeframe... but with SS you want that longer empowered garrote and the extra tic. All this is single target talk though.

On multi target in M+ I garrote 3-4 diff targets (3 empowered and silencing) CT, and FoK if 4+ targets, or just do single target rotation after aoe opener if at 2-3 targets

I’m no master of the rogue, just picking it up in the last month or so, but this has worked for me

[devout fiber]

stupid question but what's ct

[dark citrus]

Crimson Tempest talent

[devout fiber]

oh

I don't run either CT or Exsang

[dark citrus]

CT is great for AoE, but poison bomb is just as decent. The Exsang/CT build needs a bit of haste

I also run iron wire in M+ for the extra silence time, but that row is more of less what you want to take

[dusk moat]

guys wuld u go dungeons with just 1 eb to favor single target?

[wary ice]

u dont need haste on exsang build for m+

3ss is good enough reason to run it

fitting nearly the entirety of your SS into BotE windows is absurd

[dusk moat]

or 2

cant get that single target up

i wanna switch out 1 more eb but i dunno

[wary ice]

also @dusk moat in certain dungeons i go in with 0 EB

so yeah

[dark citrus]

I run 1 EB, 3 SS in M+

Mostly tried it due to a piece that didn’t have anything better to trait than the 1 EB

[grizzled jay]

i run 2 and 2

[dark citrus]

Luck of the RNGesus gives me what it does

[wary ice]

just roll better loot 4 head

[dusk moat]

i got like everything in azerite

just need to combine 😄

so loose another eb

[wary ice]

is that outa necesity or preference tmb? i cant really think of anything I consider better than SS

[dusk moat]

where u run 0? like sob?

[wary ice]

Sob and workshop/Kr depending on affix

[dusk moat]

ah ok thanks guys im gonna try se if i can get up that ST

🙂

[tropic ocean]

I also run iron wire in M+ for the extra silence time, but that row is more of less what you want to take
@dark citrus in dungeon its 100% iron wire cuz 2 other options are shit

[wary ice]

IB is playable imo. Ironwire is better for sure tho

[dark citrus]

It’s the only one worth taking imho at all on the row, but other people have opinions as well.

[fleet whale]

well it also just isn't the silence but the damage reduction too

[dark citrus]

True true

[tropic ocean]

Ib is 0

It does nothing besides giving you dmg

Iw gives extra silence x3 which is control wise superior in every way

[wary ice]

IB's value is not dumpstering your damage anytime you have to be the one to stun something

[tropic ocean]

if you play solo maybe

[jolly comet]

think IB will work with the legendary in SL?

[tropic ocean]

If you play in group silencing 3 targets for longer

[dark citrus]

Longer silence is less need for stunning

[tropic ocean]

Will eventually make your groupmembers not having to use control

:-)

[fleet whale]

IB is great in pvp

[tropic ocean]

also 3 targets > 1 target

[wary ice]

lemme do the math on that real quick

yah checks out

[tropic ocean]

does the garrote silence even have dr

[wary ice]

I dont want to continue defending IB, cause i agree wire is better but you're ignoring the fact that garrote silences without wire. IB just enables you to hit kidneys on things like the maggots or whatever without feeling bad. alleviates a bit of the pressure off not having as much util as an outlaw

[tropic ocean]

Why would you feel bad hitting no ib kidney on maggot

Thats just flaw in logic

Besides ud only use low cp kidney anyway

[dark citrus]

CC + Mechanics > DPS

[jolly comet]

not trying to argue either but also that extra 3 seconds allows the other dps and tank to get a little more dmg in and prepare for the interrupts coming.

i wish IB was more useful

to get some change

depending on fight/mob type

[fleet whale]

making it more useful in pve

[dark citrus]

I mean we all wish each talent row was an actual choice

[fleet whale]

might make it even more broken in pvp

[jolly comet]

i will believe you on that

i dont pvp

so i can see from that perspective

[wary ice]

I mean less bad is a better term

[jolly comet]

i def use KS to control shit in M+ pugs just cause im not gonna trust that some random i havent talked to is gonna stop maggots

[wary ice]

you dont not kidney things just cause u dont have IB

[fleet whale]

i mean in terms of group damage PoTW might be better than IB, but that will require everyone to switch to that add

[wary ice]

but like on a macro scale if you're playing Assa > outlaw its for the damage

[tropic ocean]

before taking potw

spec outlaw

[wary ice]

so anytime you have to burn a global and CP into a stun

its a feels bad moment

[tropic ocean]

its not

its flawed logic

[wary ice]

Aight fam

[jolly comet]

from what ive been told people bring me for IW

[tropic ocean]

if you feel bad for doing something useful

thats wrong thinking

[wary ice]

ok

[tropic ocean]

the goal of a m+ dungeon should be timing the key

rest is non relevant

unless your enjoyment solely comes out of having the highest dmg

🤷

[sullen pagoda]

so every time outlaw gouges its feelsbadman since u wasting gcd and energy

🤔

[wary ice]

sure

[storm forum]

if you feel bad using a gcd for utility instead of output, you just havent wiped enough keys cause no one wanted to spend a gcd to stun a cast

[tropic ocean]

every time other char than fmage or bm is logged = feelsbadman

[wary ice]

all im saying is that you play assa > outlaw cause either a) its more fun or b) it does more damage. theres classes with better single target stuns in our own spec pool, so like IB takes pressure off of playing assa > outlaw without compromising the reason you play it 🤷‍♂️. again its playable. not better

[urban gale]

Same logic as when healers say I didn't heal that guy because he got hit by avoidable damage

[tropic ocean]

thats not a reasoning to not take your best talent in a row though

[tropic ocean]

iron wire turns garrote into a 18 second 3 target cast control ability

[tropic ocean]

what you said, is still very flawed logic

for group-play that is

[wary ice]

yall just focusing on "feels bad" cause idk why

[tropic ocean]

because a talent won't fix a mindset

everything that makes something easy for your group is a feelgood, not a feelbad

a reason to take ib over iw would be some interaction that makes the stun longer or is off dr

or anything

dmg sadly is not

[wary ice]

YEah

I agree

[urban gale]

Better is directly proportional to "makes completing the content better" not more optimal in a scenario where all players play optimally

[wary ice]

thats why i said:

[tropic ocean]

need to get infex to become a coach for wow

and preach group dps >>> individual dps

for 150$/customer

[wary ice]

you need to chill dude

[storm forum]

who is infex?

[tropic ocean]

im chill, 18 seconds of silence is a long time to chill

😆

[wary ice]

well its only 6

but yeah

[storm forum]

okay now i know youre a troll

[grizzled jay]

is iron wire better than prey on the weak for group dps tho

[tropic ocean]

okay now i know youre a troll
@storm forum ?

[storm forum]

yeah i see that delete

[tropic ocean]

yeah

but you dont g g the mob do you?

[grizzled jay]

i guess its nice in that it makes your tank take 15% less damage from a big add

[wary ice]

Most of the time it doenst even do that

the DR doesnt go on if its immune to the silence

and again im not saying wire is bad

[grizzled jay]

the amount of mobs in M+ immune to silence is pretty small isn't it

[wary ice]

yeah

[grizzled jay]

its stuff like min bosses, the ele in shrine, etc.

def in SL everything can be silenced except mini bosses

[storm forum]

one of my fav part of IW is the DR on a big pull cause you can go open 3x garrote -> Shadowmeld -> 3x garotte -> vanish -> 3x garotte

[grizzled jay]

from my testing

[tropic ocean]

shrine is probably the best example for how good iw is

[storm forum]

def helps out tanks

[tropic ocean]

because of the caster presence

[grizzled jay]

its good in KR on the long hallway

all those damn Hexers

[tropic ocean]

no issue to pull 3 spiritualists

with iron wire

probably even 4

[urban gale]

Is night elf a big dps gain

[wary ice]

best use case of IW is UR

[storm forum]

yeah last week with sin rogue, ez teeming cast group pulls

[wary ice]

lets you pull skelley packs with worm

or defilers

[tropic ocean]

in ad last week

I just solo left pull

2 confessor + augur

might not be applicable on keys higher than 24

but on <24 or lower

no problem

[storm forum]

you cant restealth with shadowmeld on bosses so on ST its pretty negligible, but on trash its 3 more garottes @urban gale

but tbh its kinda finicky for getting restealths so dont depend on them

like where they're facing, if they have detector, stuff like that can make shadowmeld not drop combat

[tropic ocean]

detect is

8 yrd?

or 6? or smth

[scarlet sequoia]

[tropic ocean]

its very small but not sure exactly how small

[storm forum]

i dont remember, you just sort of get a feel for it after doing like 100 M+

[tropic ocean]

i know that you could distract and shroud behind void emissary on atal right boss pack in front

and that was a very small gap

so somewhat +- 8yards id say

[scarlet sequoia]

what would a good yes i can aaaaah mhm okay

[cyan bone]

how much sanity are you supposed to loose when stacking in nzoth fight with paranoia?

my guild stacks w some paranoia and I legit loose 90+ sanity each time

whats the problem thats causing that?

like everyone is loosing htat much

[crimson palm]

i know this will come as a shock, but stacking with paranoia makes you lose sanity

[drifting cloud]

isnt the max 75

[crimson palm]

5x15

[cyan bone]

I know it does

but I was 100 sanity

and they get 2 necks

and I still loose all

[crimson palm]

dont stand in anguish then

[cyan bone]

I am not

[crimson palm]

the only other mechanic that can cause a sanity loss at that point is thots

[cyan bone]

so you cant loose more than 75?

[crimson palm]

no

[cyan bone]

even if you dont properly stack?

like if guys walk in and out of your cirle every .1 sec?

[crimson palm]

it doesnt matter

[drifting cloud]

thats why people stack because it was changed like 5months ago

[crimson palm]

you cant lose more than 5 per 1 second

that was the main nerf of the boss

[cyan bone]

oh okay

thanks

[loud light]

100 sanity and 2 necks and a single paranoia is losing all your sanity 🤔

[cyan bone]

felt like it yea

was on like 90 and my sanity dropped like a bitch and I was in the middle of the group

and we used 2 necks but I was loosing sanity quicker than I was getting in w 2 necks being used

idk what happened there

[tropic ocean]

probably to close too boss

and losing sanity from anguish

[loud light]

was it when mindgrasp was starting up?

because yeah, then that's more likely

[grizzled jay]

if you have logs just go over the replay of the fight

[visual juniper]

quick question

is scent of blood good or bad

[tropic ocean]

Bad

[surreal solar]

pretty bad

[tropic ocean]

It was good in s3 for gorgonzola thats it

[visual juniper]

oh damn i was running 3 of them thinking i was hot sh*t

thanks

[drifting cloud]

do you mean pvp maybe?

[visual juniper]

nah m+

[balmy condor]

HoD is just better than scent

[tropic ocean]

You will do a lot better with 3ss/3eb or 3ss 3hod

[royal lantern]

by the time it would start too gain value your bleeds would drop off + you would not do dmg in all that time you apply bleeds

[visual juniper]

oh can i get eb on 465 azerite gear?

[balmy condor]

All ss/eb gear is from the vender

So you can get it at 480, as well as 450

[visual juniper]

oh thats a relief

thanks a bunch

[balmy condor]

Np

[slow mortar]

Just had a thought about how wonky sepsis would be in solo content, cause if you vanish, it'll reset whatever you were stabbing

[balmy condor]

Correct

That’s actually one of the things that people disliked about it at the start

Outdoor content with it is awful

[patent topaz]

nobody gives a fuck about world content

do people complain about blood and clf in world content?

[storm forum]

i give a fuck about world content

[royal lantern]

@patent topaz you cant complain about blood in world content because it just 1hit kills most stuff with the cast itself lel

[slow mortar]

nightstalker doesnt buff it, at least from what i've seen

which would have made the combo lovely

[patent topaz]

clf, then, whatever

nobody cares

[storm forum]

if you didnt /pet your azerite golem while doing world content idk what you were doing

[balmy condor]

I would actually say a lot of people care

Because “nobody” is most of the community

[slow mortar]

noo dont give in to the trollll

[balmy condor]

The people you find in here are the pve heroes

[jolly comet]

its the cov defining cd that when it runs out before the mob dies will just reset the mob

[patent topaz]

world content is the worst argument

[jolly comet]

imagine how infuriating that is

[balmy condor]

Worst argument for what

[slow mortar]

just gotta game it so that the end of dot damage proc kills

[balmy condor]

I didn’t say it’s the worst thing

I literally just said that people disliked it

[patent topaz]

impact on overall usability

[cyan bone]

does anyone have a screenshot of the first batch of neurons that you ahve to clear?

[balmy condor]

Because that’s one of the first things that noticed

Homie chill

[cyan bone]

for my guild to see who should kill what

[patent topaz]

people whine about every single little thing

[slow mortar]

who was whining about sepsis?

[patent topaz]

world content, give me a break

[balmy condor]