historically weve also known the release of the xpac before prepatch came on ptr
#assassination
drifting cloud
so it was easy to know when it will go live
so if you think prepatch is less than 6 weeks away that must means xpac is less than 10 weeks away, big doubt
topaz axle
They're announcing launch on the 27th. It's not crazy to think pre-patch will come a reset or two after that
drifting cloud
it is
mellow pier
@topaz axle prepatch isnt a release candidate
balmy condor
bruh
mellow pier
U got a few weeks atleast after that is released
drifting cloud
sure the xpac date might be in like a 6 week window, anywhere from early nov, mid dec lets say, but prepatch is not coming sooner than 1 month before it
so yeah the chances of prepatch going live middle of Sept are pretty much 0%
calm rover
Have anyone tested if Bone Spike counts towards the Doomblade legendary?
steep ridge
hope they will announce the dates next weekend for the Gamescom streams
balmy condor
you're running severe's with exsang
don't do that
take vigor and tb
equip a plumage over a vita
put the 470 in our main hand rather than the 465
drowsy estuary
ok, I have plumage 460
drowsy estuary
do u have some tips to damage on pulls? I have some pykes of damage and my energy just disappeared = low damage
balmy condor
3x garrote from stealth, CT, rupture for energy, epweave the fok's
steep obsidian
does ct give energy back nowadays?
drowsy estuary
@balmy condor when u say epweave the fok's, it's just spamming fok's or fok's+evenom?
balmy condor
fok until you need to refresh EP
you either refresh it with a CT, rupture if you need the energy, or an envenom if you don't need the energy, CT is ticking, and you're in a small pack
drowsy estuary
just ignore max CP?
balmy condor
yep
balmy condor
b i g f o k d a m
steep obsidian
dont overwrite your subterfuge ss garotte until its done
is prolly biggest mistake to make
balmy condor
ye
drowsy estuary
Tuesday I will buy two severe III to replace the II one
and try farm versa+crit itens
items*
my friends are bullying my rogue hahaha
I'm studying to get better
balmy condor
will all change in prepatch and shadowlands in like 2 months anyway
balmy condor
ye
drowsy estuary
no college until january
balmy condor
must be nice
drowsy estuary
Vendetta on CD?
drowsy estuary
ya
balmy condor
but you can vendetta prio if you want
usually not worth in aoe though
unless its like 1 tanky mob and many small mobs
drowsy estuary
same for TB, All right?
steep obsidian
vendetta will often feel like a waste on lower keys but if a high hp mop has to die its worth
balmy condor
yeah same with tb
steep obsidian
make sure to vendetta the mages combust target for maximum lulz
drowsy estuary
I usually do 15-18 keys
balmy condor
aoe should basically just be fok spamming and bleeds for ep
balmy condor
np
drowsy estuary
☺️
tropic ocean
vendetta will often feel like a waste on lower keys but if a high hp mop has to die its worth
@steep obsidian its a big perception problem, vendetta pretty much used on cd, obviously not used when you're close to pulling a boss, other than that its pretty much always a gain to drop it on the hard mob in a pack and build with fok and finish with envenom
steep obsidian
yah that was my point on low keys it feels liek a waste but losing liek half a dozen casts of it is a bigger waste
tropic ocean
the perception is just so scuffed cuz so much things that make the key faster do not show in overall dps output
you need to see the group dps as a whole, not your personal dps which is not a very common logic in pugs unless in super high keys where ppl actually understand the game
as a prime example
it won't matter that you do 150k dps when your control enables pulling 2 packs into boss and mage doing 250k dps
steep obsidian
i was kind of memeing if you look at what i said after that 😛
tropic ocean
just generally speaking, but happen to see your quote
royal lantern
uh, no
big overall dps=did everything in that key
if you do low dmg, you suck and should just stop playing, you are bad
/s in case somone needs it
tropic ocean
no outlaw no weekly
lapis halo
Guys, is the opening rotation from Icy Veins still correct ? (using 3 SS / Toxic Blade and Subterfuge)
balmy condor
Use the guide in the pins for exsang
lapis halo
when using SS, we need to refresh Garotte one last time before subterfuge ends right ?
i'm notplaying exsanguinate
don't have enough expedient
(this is an alt)
balmy condor
Oh I see you said toxic blade my bad
lapis halo
yup ^^
balmy condor
When you use subt/SS you garrote rupture garrote from stealth
lapis halo
perfect
that's what i was doing
the last garrote is to have maximum uptime on empowered garrote right?
lapis halo
alright
thanks a lot
last question
when re-applying norman garrote or rupture : should I wait the very last moment or should I use it anytime wihtin the pandemic window ?
balmy condor
Both are fine
Whenever it’s convenient, that’s what the pandemic window is for
As long as you’re refreshing before it drops
balmy condor
Np
icy oasis
I think it might be harlans + spyglass
carmine latch
Does any haste stack specs play with avoidant in high mythic+ keys or raids, does avoidance only increase with ur main flat stat or also stat procs?
vast forum
stat procs work
i personally don't see a point in playing avoidant on a class that can press feint when needed
carmine latch
Thinking certain bosses, forexample first boss ToS, can be quite intense for healer esp during tyra weeks
where even with feint it mitigate not all tht much
torn hinge
Hey, recently returned to bfa after a while, which corruption should I buy this next rotation, severe lll or infinite stars lll ?
vast forum
never infinite stars
ideally, you should wait a few weeks for expedient if you wanna raid
or gushing wound if you want to pvp
severe is good for m+, if you want to focus on that
steel ridge
I dont think he will have many weeks left
eager ibex
Just got my hands on a 445 Razor coral. What is the best way to use it on bosses?, just pop it on opener with garrote? and reactivate asap?
vast forum
no, if you're using coral, use in opener, then reactivate with 2nd vendetta
but coral isn't great because it has almost no value on pull where all of our damage comes from
raven kiln
hi 🙂 after reading the pins a bit i saw that there is the haste and crit build I wanna go more for m+ so i guess crit is the way to go. My question is when i stard a fresh rogue should i go with entchants and stuff full cirt or better haste like wow head suggest till i got the corect coruptions set up?
pastel hatch
To be hoest if youre gonna level a rogue and then have to gear it up too. You might not even be able to get the severes needed since severe 3 is this upcoming reset. Next time any severe would be on the vendor I think pre-patch is alrdy gonna be there.
Idk what stat wise is gonna be better with the loss of corruption during prepatch. You might want to aim there.
raven kiln
mhm seems fair thanks for the advice
vernal canyon
could also point out that he could get some decent ilvl before the prepatch and be able to enjoy some raiding and some builds once pre-patch hits 🙂
eager ibex
@vast forum ah ok, so is that why I see on logs only a few of them using it with Twisted appendage?
vast forum
twisted appendage is full RNG build @eager ibex
you can get r1 logs with pure luck, but on average it'll be mediocre
you can also go a whole fight with 0 tentacle procs
eager ibex
Oh ok thanks. This coral is bugging me it's simming highest for me atm
crimson palm
you can get r1 logs with pure luck, but on average it'll be mediocre
@vast forum sometimes even pure luck isn't enough, check rank 2 on carapace
crimson palm
balmy condor
@strange python you can find azerite trait recommendations in the pins in #pvp
Also try not to spam screenshots, people tend to not like that
vast forum
generally
you want 3 ttk, 1 np 1 ss and 1 hod i think
although i wouldn't be surprised if somehow hod ended up being better than ttk because the stats buff gushing wound 
or wait, that build might be outdated, full gw puts you way below 25 corruption 🤔
bronze topaz
should i use berserking with vendetta or exsanguinate in the opener?
bronze topaz
ok thanks
balmy condor
crimson palm
no with exsan
main warren
? No just macro it with vendetta and gcb, you're going to exang in that window
vast forum
you should use berserking with the first garrote in the opener tbh
you get the full duration of it and then keep the full value for exsang
balmy condor
^
Macroing with vendetta isn’t much worse tho
If you’re too lazy for the extra button or don’t want to turn brain on
main warren
das me :)
vast forum
😄
balmy condor
Smooth brain gang :>
flint surge
Hey guys, so I’m new to WoW. I’m a level 28 Orc Rouge, and I heard assassination rouge is the best class for PvP and PvE. I was wondering if you guys had any tips for me getting started with it, and I’ve watched a few guides I just can’t grasp all the info because I’m so new to the game
fleet whale
if you are level 28 you shouldn't level as assassination
flint surge
What should I level as?
balmy condor
Outlaw and sub
flint surge
Also, do u recommend orc or blood elf or does it not matter
flint surge
All visual preference?
flint surge
Ah gotcha, which would you personally prefer ?
flint surge
ah gotcha, thank you. Sorry, very knew so I have a a lot to learn lmao
flint surge
Yessir!
balmy condor
Bigger picture, they all have their pros and cons
Which is “better” depends on what you plan on doing at endgame, and how much you care about min-maxing
flint surge
So if I level up as a outlaw, later in the game can is switch to assasination?
balmy condor
Yeah
You can switch in and out of specs at will
If you want to be optimal, you’ll need different gear
fleet whale
when you get the venomous wounds passive, which is like level 50 something
assassin becomes a bit more bearable to level
balmy condor
But there’s nothing stopping you from just changing back and forth
flint surge
Ohhh, okay thank you. And honestly I jus plan on playing a ton of PvP while also being able to raid and such, I don’t have time to level up multiple characters so I was told rouge is one of the best classes for both PvP and PvE, so I’m trying to learn
Rn I’m just tryna level up
B4 shadowlands
iron valve
This isn't super helpful but it will probably be nicer to level after the level squish prepatch
balmy condor
Yeah I mean balance is always shifting
There will be times where one spec is better than the other on content
Something gets buffed or nerfed
Rogue has a lot of utility in pvp, which makes it a safe choice
In dungeons as well
Raids is a lot less utility focused compared to those two
So that’ll swing back and forth depending on fight even
Like right now, sub is omega weak
Outlaw pumps in aoe
Sin pumps in single target
Next expansion, sin is currently looking omega weak, sub is pumping in single target, and outlaw is the dungeon king
Playing what you enjoy should be #1
Still a game we play for fun
flint surge
I was honestly gonna try demon hunter after I got my rouge high enough level, if u had to pick and recommend one of the 3 right going into shadowlands which one of the 3 should I play
Outlaw, sin or sub
balmy condor
iron valve
which sounds like fun?
balmy condor
I don’t like outlaw personally, so I don’t play it
And I do fine
It’s not a matter of picking spec
You can always change specs
flint surge
Assasination and outlaw. But honestly idc which one of the 3 I know I’ll have fun playing all 3 so it’s just a matter if which will be the best
iron valve
Pirate, Ninja, or uh... Assassin? 😛
flint surge
Ik ill have fun learning all
flint surge
Gotcha, appreciate it
flint surge
But u guys did say level up outlaw correct until level 50?
flint surge
Okay, gotcha
balmy condor
Rather than poisons and damage over time
Sin also suffers from huge energy problems
flint surge
Do you guys have any links to any videos on macros? And key setups and stuff I need to learn that
I couldn’t find any good ones
balmy condor
Not really needed
There’s focus macro’s for CC and tricks in dungeons, but you don’t need to worry about that
At least not during leveling, or even most low-end endgame
Keybinds are all personal preference as well
flint surge
Ohhh okay, well I play to play intensely once I get max level just while I’m leveling I’m playing casual I need to learn the game until I focus on Pvp comp etc
Plan*
flint surge
Why’s that?
balmy condor
Turning your camera with your mouse and strafing is faster than having the key rotate it for you
Gives you more control as well
vast forum
keyboard turning is useless
balmy condor
Q and E are also prime real estate for some keybinds for abilities
balmy condor
Ye
flint surge
I play wasd
vast forum
there's no situation EVER in this game where keyboardturning is better than using your mouse, other than fapping and wanting to only play with 1 hand
flint surge
Ahhh gotcha
flint surge
Thank you guys for all the help
balmy condor
any time!
keen spruce
I just bound backpedal to like alt+walk forward
flint surge
I’m sure gonna ask a ton more throught the coming weeks Lmao
keen spruce
but I use it basically never
tropic ocean
there's no situation EVER in this game where keyboardturning is better than using your mouse, other than fapping and wanting to only play with 1 hand
@vast forum jadefire masters
vast forum
still easier with mouse turning
vast forum
backpedaling has some niche uses
balmy condor
imagine having to 180 for the next kick
vast forum
if you have evasion up and u wanna move somewhere with multiple mobs on you so you can't just jump turn between hits,
balmy condor
ye
vast forum
mostly unnecessary in raids/m+ tho
royal lantern
but ye
unbind turn left/roght from AD and instead put strafe left/right on AD
makes movment worlds better
and too all people here that say UnBiNd WaLkInG BaCkWaRdS
thats some of the most pseudo elitism shit people STILL say
like
backwards walking HAS important uses
and you just fuck with your musclememory if you wanna play tank/other games
even when you need too adjust yourself too cleave you will walk backwards
leaden spruce
has there been any state of assasination rogue post for shadowlands like alot of other classes have had yet?
royal lantern
ofc not lol
leaden spruce
why
leaden spruce
atm im thinking of going sub for shadowlands
leaden spruce
!sl
low girder
rip bot
balmy condor
@vestal wren tech support pl0x
outer lotus
Sometimes the reduced speed is also the perfect speed to Deal with mechanics
From backpedalling
vestal wren
!sl
prisma monolithBOT
Mystlers Shadowlands Notes: http://tiny.cc/p8ljsz
balmy condor
thanks bb you a cutie fuu
vestal wren
the bot did a rebuild, just right timing XD
balmy condor
royal lantern
but like, when a enemy is slightly behind you when you cleave, would you rather
1.turn around for 90degree, run 1yard too the side, turn 90degree back
OR
2.press S for 0,3seconds
bronze horizon
Is anybody able to refer me to a way to change corruptions in simcraft so I can sim something before deciding to buy it?
balmy condor
gear compare
by far the easiest
or purify specific pieces and add containers
if you're looking to actually change piece by piece very precisely, bonus ID editing obviously exists
but that's pretty advanced
references are here though
bronze horizon
Oh I see, thanks. Took me a minute to figure that out since I usually just use simcraft instead.
balmy condor
if you're a big boy
urban gale
does lustrous golden plumage go in the same place as gcb in the rotation
drifting cloud
you can bind plumage to vendetta
warm canopy
Best pot for bleed build?
balmy condor
you can sim it
usually focused resolve
for single target
the moment you have more than 1 target, unbridled
warm canopy
Okay cool that's what I've been doing
dire spoke
@balmy condor I almost distributed the sockets like my sim told me to instead of just counting how many of each I need anywhere
dire spoke
not so sure about switching back to quick nav, just for that few clf bosses
oh wait it actually was included in the variables
glad smelt
can i play the exsang build without full expedient? just trying to explore more options before bfa is over
currently playing 3 double dose cause i don't have 3 SS but working on that so i can maybe just play around with a bleed build
what im working with currently
this is a super alt so it's calm not looking to min max or anything
balmy condor
probably very difficult
glad smelt
glad smelt
i think i slapped it on there cause i just had an extra one but i shall fix that
interesting it's telling me to do 1 SS
i figured it's either stack 3 of 1 thing or not at all
balmy condor
nah
glad smelt
wait i didnt put an enchant on my weapon 
oh snap 57 corruption too
ill cleanse the versatile 1
also no clf
heh
burnt siren
@balmy condor hi whispyr! If you have some time can you check out my sim too please? Haha not sure if I can do better. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vCe5jP1P4pLnJAVXcLM3WA
balmy condor
@burnt siren nothing gear wise, here's a potion sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tHaPVpQamFmkqxyCP4haaf
maiden root
whats our prepot?
maiden root
cool thanks just wanted to make sure i was using the right one
burnt siren
@balmy condor nice. Ty!
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aw7vR2AARGd1teJ93nsABx
Ugly and no sockets but
we made it
balmy condor
Gz
strange python
tyty
fallow otter
@balmy condor
Once we are a full butterfly
How big can sim get
Can I go a different direction for this for more? Bote major
charred ermine
Whats lookin to be the best covanent for shadowlands 🙂
balmy condor
kyrian is incredabad
balmy condor
by far the worst
charred ermine
bone spike is necro i assume right
balmy condor
np
cyan bone
Oi
balmy condor
oi
scarlet sequoia
elder crescent
Recently Ive gotten beta access and have been spending some time on different builds and what not to test our legendaries.... most of them seem to be very underperforming on single target, especially bloodfang, Doomblade, and Dashing Scoundrel. Anyone else having any better results? Bloodfang over a 5 min target dummy was 1.8% of my damage, Doomblade was 1.6ish and Dashing Scoundrel is harder to test but my end DPS was roughly the same so it cant be doing that well. Sorry if this isnt where to post this, but I dont see a Shadowlands channel.
hearty junco
this is the place to bring it up
tropic ocean
@elder crescent or maybe you just dont play it properly/consistent
Once Sims are updated and all tuning is done we will see how good each leggie/talent performs
Few parses are sadly no valuable data
elder crescent
Its ture @tropic ocean I might not be, thought to be honest assa doesnt feel that different from live, just a LOT slower and blindside talent that seems to be nice.
tropic ocean
assa is usually very slow in the begin yeah
Comparing uldir to now assa gained idk
30-40apm?
elder crescent
Testing a dungeon at the moment, even Tiny blades is not spreading poisons and bleeds
so not sure if that legendary is just not working or not
novel drum
i dont see how that legendary is going to be worth it
elder crescent
M+ cleave it will be nice if it works.
novel drum
i must not be seeing its strength because it sounds like ass
elder crescent
spreading full dots and bleeds to everything will save globals
novel drum
i thought it spread to one target
elder crescent
Bah, you are right, "a" enemy. This is ass then.
novel drum
haha
yeah i can totally see spreading a full pandemic subterfuged garrote and a full rupture onto everything in one global would be very strong
MAYBE a two target cleave fight like huntsman altimor would be strong
faint axle
hi
novel drum
👋
burnt star
Hmm i saw some streamer claiming assa was a weaker spec then combat and subt in sl beta.. but combining all data.from pve tells me otherwise. Any beta player here to deny or confirm?
fleet anchor
Assassination is probably functionally the weaker spec all-around right now
But numbers will define what people play and those are still up in the air
burnt star
Well the way its said. Is its the weaker one right now with the number we have now
But.. how would a meta analys of all pve log be so different number wise
fleet anchor
Because wowmeta may as well just be made up numbers
burnt star
This is what i feel..
fleet anchor
Nobody on beta and especially during the raid tests are trying to optimize their damage, they are trying to test things
And nothing like this will at all be adjusted for known bugs or issues with incorrect damage values
burnt star
They just say all pve log. But not much characterisation of it
Like combat is so far on bottom.. yet all player i saw felt it was bette the. Assa
fleet anchor
I mean sure I can do good DPS in a raid test on Hunstman as Assassination with Bone Spike but that's ignoring the fact that Bone Spike is doing like 20% more damage than it should in AoE situations
For one example
burnt star
Dont all rogue have bone spike though?
But i get the idea.
Thx for for confirming my doubts
fleet anchor
More people are playing Assassination in raid testing because that's what they currently play
Overall the potential issues with Assassination are fairly limited talent and legendary choices, and slow pace
Sub is definitely doing more damage than Assassination on beta right now but numbers are something that will change over time
vast forum
i also think akari won't be giving CPs in a future build
celest ruin
how are people surviving mythic nzoth with grand delusions
crimson palm
By not getting hit
willow rapids
balmy condor
Just take bone spike and it’ll be second
fleet whale
and the other specs as well
balmy condor
fleet whale
people have seen to have forgotten
that in a majority of expacs, melee has been like our top damage always
iron valve
why is that sad
balmy condor
Because people don’t like having melee be at the top cause melees are the least effort
warm parcel
Idno how I feel about this new face in assa
tropic ocean
when you see the other rogue in your group being assa
and playing 3 echo in siege
iron valve
you guys are potting m+?
upbeat geode
ofc, rogue is already low in dps, you need all the help you can get
iron valve
sorry, I forgot my sarcactus 🌵
stuck merlin
should I refresh rupture before exang even if its at more than 15 sec?
its only one gcd...
vital haven
no reason not to pot on cd if you can get away with it
even if rogues were top dps there is no reason not to do it if you can afford it
paper iris
what do you guys do with exsanguinate in M+ aoe trash
tropic ocean
use it on prio target
balmy condor
Pump on prio
tropic ocean
with vendetta
paper iris
ty
placid dawn
guys, how much dps is iris ina dungeon usually? % wise
using haste build
my dps was super trash in this ML 23 I did, barely 95k
realized I did not use iris in the dungeon like an idiot, wondering how much dps i was missing
normal olive
Cara p2 is awful 
balmy condor
On teeming, probably 7-8k at least
Probably more
Haven’t seen people run iris in a long time
uneven aspen
yo can I pre immune the insanity bomb on cara mythic or does it trigger it?
uneven aspen
ah nice to know, was just to scared to try it out on progress after I heard things like meta, bubble and block do that
drifting cloud
its easy to mess up and since you still have to spread theres not much gain as just cloaking 0.5s before it expires
or well I guess you spawn 1 less add
amber trench
if you're progging you're probably better off cloaking infinite darkness to avoid the gauranteed 30 sanity hit
uneven aspen
makes sense
amber trench
I usually cloak the 2nd infinite darkness personally
cunning vector
Tbh...Breath or Blood are the beast in m+ in my opinion
Breath takes a bit more precision but the buffed hits are worth
distant moon
what would the best corruption if you do all types of content? raid,m+,pvp
gushing?
shrewd night
Probably crit
drifting cloud
crit is really bad in pvp
distant moon
ye crit is bad for pvp
shrewd night
I mean, gushing aint all that good in the two other content types
drifting cloud
yeah, for assa 1 of them is always gonna suck somewhere
gushing is dogshit in m+, lets say resonable in raid
balmy condor
Yeah
Id say your safest bet is to just say fuck it and run versatiles
Now you’ll be shit everywhere
distant moon
😂
balmy condor
Nah but like actually running severe/versatiles is probably not bad
The versatiles would be decent in pvp
Severe/Vers is pretty okay in m+
And it’ll be a crit build in raids but slightly worse there too
Like you won’t be good at anything
But it’s something I guess
Either way end of expansion and it’s all dead anyway
Just play a different game for 3 months
:)
copper vessel
Hey guys i have a problem i have like 0 Energy regeneration. can you tell my why i dont have energy regeneration with 80% haste ... 😦
https://prnt.sc/u575nq
shrewd night
drifting cloud
equip poisons
shrewd night
What kind of question is that
copper vessel
posions dosent help ^^
shrewd night
Link logs
balmy condor
Poisons dont help?
drifting cloud
then its in your head
balmy condor
You’re trolling ye?
shrewd night
There is absolutely no chance you "dont have any energy regen"
I have less haste than you, and struggle to not be perma capped
copper vessel
what does the Agains Current target : 37,84 % mean
balmy condor
You should be energy capped out of your mind if you’re using bleeds and have poisons on
copper vessel
yea
harsh sphinx
balmy condor
Put on deadly poison
Put on deadly poison
Use garrote
Use rupture
And you’re done
That’s it
shrewd night
Wooooooah, energybar with no limit!
balmy condor
@shrewd night im energy capped with deeper, so I take vigor for extra 50 energy
Bigger cap
drifting cloud
balmy condor
Whispyr falling for trolls is par for the course dude
Like that’s just a regular Monday in this channel
uncut schooner
Employer: what's you hobby? Me: getting grey parses in raid.
balmy condor
Getting grey is actually quite difficult without just full afking or dying
balmy condor
;-;
uncut schooner
dark crag
Why is no SL talk here in Assa? They are out of energy
jagged vault
Where?
balmy condor
!sl
prisma monolithBOT
Mystlers Shadowlands Notes: http://tiny.cc/p8ljsz
balmy condor
also this exists
which is basically the same as https://www.wowhead.com/news=317091/rogue-state-on-shadowlands-beta-changes-bugs-and-placeholders
surreal solar
TLDR: Sin goes back to being the notorious slow and dull spec
fleet whale
while also losing some of it's niche it looks like
balmy condor
I mean
surreal solar
Yep, Bleeds don’t do enough, everyone has poisons, we have to maintain snd for little benefit
balmy condor
alacrity and blindside make the spec faster than it was in EP
and y'all weren't complaining about that
but I agree SND doesn't do much atm
surreal solar
Alacrity is really really lame, it’s a cop out for blizz
balmy condor
but sin is faster at the start of this expansion
fleet whale
but still annoying
balmy condor
than it ever has been
surreal solar
Not a big fan of blindside, then again, I get an oooh shiny instead of watch for that little yellow buff over there
fleet whale
MP might be better than Blindside though
balmy condor
you watch the buff?
surreal solar
I’m a clicker, fite me
dire spoke
surreal solar
@fleet whale how would MP be better?
balmy condor
because poisons are hitting like a truck atm
surreal solar
I thought it relied on high mastery
balmy condor
and mp makes bigger poisons
fleet whale
well ep uptime will be way lower
balmy condor
and bigger poisons means bigger truck
fleet whale
and SnD plus more poison damage
balmy condor
^
fleet whale
lethal poison conduit
balmy condor
the instant damage from deadly poison is kind of insane atm
balmy condor
deadly poison dot + deadly poison instant is actually higher than melee's iirc
or competitive for top damage source
surreal solar
Works for me if the other twos “instant poison” is pretty meh
balmy condor
they are pretty meh
don't provide gameplay to the specs, and isn't big damage
its just a little bit on top
surreal solar
Do we only get 1 non lethal active or is it still bugged to allow all non lethals?
surreal solar
Someone mentioned a couple weeks ago we go from Deadly/Cripple to Deadly/Cripple/Numb/Leech all at once (if you talent leech)
balmy condor
yes
surreal solar
Is the dmg enough to warrant leech over cheat death?
balmy condor
people have always taken leeching over cheat death depending on situation
that whole run is situational
cheat death is an ez use and forget
but elusiveness and leeching both have their places
depends on what content you're doing and what the fight design is
balmy condor
zaqul
fleet whale
and leeching also makes your vial heal for more
fleet whale
well, leech improves healing a little bit
balmy condor
that sounds jank as fuck
balmy condor
yeah
okay
I thought you were just saying it straight buffs vial
and I was like "I don't remember that part of leeching"
but yes, indirectly XD
fleet whale
it does make iron stomach look even worse though
dire spoke
whisp behave
fleet whale
leeching can be really nice in M+ sometimes
spreading garrotes around plus EB
can get some decent self heals
strange python
What would the ideal opener look like if you were running subterfuge but no shroud suff?
shut garnet
g mut g rup i guess
strange python
I'm wondering, I sim like 1500+ dps higher, running heart of darkness over shrouded suff,
balmy condor
then don't use it
balmy condor
koffing is the only one that I'll let ban me
short coyote
If anyone has a sec, mind taking a look at my sim and seeing if im doing anything blatantly wrong? My sim seems low and not exactly what sure to work towards atm besides finishing corruptions/last essences https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ccUpL4C6Zj57spAEfEB9nS
balmy condor
the essences are kinda mega dunking you
strange python
What % haste do you look for before switching over to exsang build?
short coyote
50 I think?
balmy condor
depends heavily on azerite
short coyote
and that
balmy condor
I've simmed people where it switched over at 25%
and I've simmed people where they had really good crit builds
where it didn't show up until like 65%
ttk on that helm is 300 up btw colt
short coyote
ye saw that
balmy condor
mecha rings, 480 azerite, corruptions, essences
replace the humming
and more than 2 sockets
short coyote
dope, figured that was the case 
hopefully good gamble luck on shoulders tomorrow
scarlet sequoia
alright, me and tisu have decided that its time to reveal the secret
so for the next 15 minutes, you can dm @gusty kestrel and he will let you know how to gain 30k dps by doing a few simple things
only me and him know about it, its quite big
drifting cloud
im dming you
tribal obsidian
crimson palm
Dm raz instead he goes into more details
balmy condor
yeah
he'll tell you to play FIRE mage
that's why raz is world top 10
attention to detail
crimson palm
U call that dingle a cock
royal lantern
you get +23%overall dps when you stand still as a melee dps
dont tell them the truth
jumping on the spot and ADADADAD spam is actually a dps -
grizzled jay
finally finish out my corruptions tomorrow
dire spoke
130k sim inc
grizzled jay
im full crit so probably 110k
rancid bobcat
dire spoke
big unluck
grizzled jay
what hap
dire spoke
crit is the dark side of the force
grizzled jay
i enjoy it
royal lantern
ye, thats the point of the dark side
dire spoke
xd
warm zinc
Is sin or sub looking better?
balmy condor
sub atm
azure shard
whats the best covenant for rogue? still necro?
azure shard
i really wanna play kyrian but dont wanna be bad :/ their ability seems too hard to get the most out of
balmy condor
oh yeah
balmy condor
kyrian is actually the worst
azure shard
smh :/
balmy condor
like even with buffs
azure shard
im assuming thats PvE also?? 😮
balmy condor
this is the pve channel
azure shard
that kinda sucks cuz i love Sin
balmy condor
yes
azure shard
gotcha :/ sub crits in PvP are great tho so i may need to relearn it. i just hate playing FotM lol
even Outlaw > Sin?
azure shard
well shit. looks like ill be relearning how to play rogue lol.
unless they can make Assa relevant again
balmy condor
sin will probably be okay for raid
but its looking real sketchy in the m+ department
azure shard
i prefer M+ :/
azure shard
i know this is pve but any word on whatll be tight in pvp?
balmy condor
probably still sin
fleet whale
depends on what your comp is though again
sub offers more control, sin more consistent pressure
fleet whale
also note there won't be corruptions breaking pvp, and Breath will be gone
but we'll see how badly the SL stuff breaks pvp
azure shard
im exxctied. whole new wave. not a big fan of specs coming back together and losing some of what made them unique but owell. sin got hit the hardest in that department
fleet whale
also something i've noticed
if alacrity is to stay for sin
why does venom rush still exist?
azure shard
because they are different no? lol
jolly comet
burning quesion that remains unanswered
fleet whale
they both fill a similar idea in energy regen
balmy condor
venom rush is just alacrity but awful
fleet whale
but alacrity is useful in aoe, more dynamic, and just plain better
balmy condor
in single target
iron valve
venom rush is there to get replaced with dashing scoundrel next expansion
balmy condor
doubt it
fleet whale
yes lets have two talents that synergize well (alacrity, and dashing scoundrel)
and put them on the same row lol
jolly comet
i heard they are replacing exsang with a talent called simalaracrity
grizzled jay
Venom Rush is good for leveling
jolly comet
every 2 sec you get a stacking movespped buff
grizzled jay
and maybe WQs
jolly comet
in addition to a small amount of energy regen
fleet whale
they should either 1. replace venom rush entirely or 2. turn venom rush back to it's legion version
where VM ticks grant 3 more energy
balmy condor
even in leveling venom rush is questionable
balmy condor
yeah
fleet whale
then again, i prob won't level as sin lol
balmy condor
also true
azure shard
prolly gonna level sub tbh if it continues to be better :/ not the most excited. i do miss backstab tho
balmy condor
should always level sub
balmy condor
sin leveling is awful
fleet whale
nice burst on every pull
sin leveling was good in bfa cause of leggos
and for sub soothing darkness will heal a ton
balmy condor
yeah sub has decent aoe
but a lot of it is funnel
vault (if they fix the bug) and sectec are pretty okay though
fleet whale
or if they fix vaults damage
azure shard
sub sounding kinda fun the way yall describing it rn.
balmy condor
that's the bug
clear basin
What covenant is looking good for rogues?
azure shard
necro
iron valve
when leveling you can just go subterfuge and mfd and blow up anything within the first dance
balmy condor
still bone spike or nothing
grizzled jay
just waiting on the Rogue tuning pass
balmy condor
inb4 we don't get tuning till heroic
grizzled jay
@balmy condor With max rank Conduit, Slaughter for Sin with Blindside is still gonna potentially slam
azure shard
lel
grizzled jay
yah we don't have max rank conduit so we can't really say
fathom swift
Also have no idea how far up conduits are gonna scale
jolly comet
thought the conduit scaling was already datamined? or were they not all included?
fathom swift
Its datamined but who knows how many ranks you can actually get in game
iron valve
yeah, no info on what content level maps to what rank
fleet whale
where do you even get conduits?
balmy condor
drop from everywhere
fathom swift
Probably not 15 levels in the first tier tho
iron valve
specific boss drops, rep, probably pvp
fleet whale
so are they like an extra gear piece
fathom swift
Theyre like legion relics
fleet whale
so an extra piece, cause we have conduit(relic) drops and weapon drops
heady pier
hey, since the prepatch will be out soon, I was thinking about rolling for the random 460 azerite gear for 900 residuum to get SS/EB since I am wearing 2 465 and 1 480 anyway (3xss, no eb). Would it be dumb to roll for 445 pieces to ensure i get ss/eb pieces?
heady pier
that's what i figured
urban gale
is anyone else seeing higher damage? was there a stealth fix of something?
balmy condor
higher damage on what exactly
urban gale
i guess i haven't been paying close enough attention to know exactly what
my overalls have just been really high the past day or two relative to previous
probably just me
balmy condor
your overalls on what
urban gale
m+
balmy condor
I mean, it's teeming week
low girder
you played better 😄
urban gale
how much would you guys say potting frequently throughout the dungeon affects damage
balmy condor
empowered proximity this week does a pretty decent amount
if you're potting efficiently maybe 3-5% tops
drifting cloud
even that might be a little high
balmy condor
ye
drifting cloud
I can see 3% if you can prepot most of them
but alot of the time youd still be on cd when you go into next pack etc
balmy condor
yeah just prepotting big pulls on like motherlode or something
on a teeming week
3% is probably realistic
urban gale
kk
strange python
How many strikethrough and severe you guys run on crit build
strange python
No strikethroug
strange python
Oh ok thanks strike is on sale now I’m buying some
balmy condor
Yup
uncut schooner
@balmy condor Go bed.
balmy condor
Am in bed
uncut schooner
pure walrus
hello!, is this channel were people talk about beta-rogue?
balmy condor
Beta sin, yes
shrewd night
@uncut schooner Did yall get drest last week? Enjoying ilgy?
uncut schooner
I've been at work so I'm not in the raid atm.
But they killed Drest on Sunday.
So Ilgy up next.
shrewd night
You know if youre going with dispel or zero-dispel?
uncut schooner
No idea.
scarlet sequoia
just to clarify when i said that you can gain 30k dps last night, we will not be sharing it with the public
elder kernel
shadow wedge
devout fiber
The proper pve rotation is
Stealth > Garrote > Rupture > garrote > Vendetta > TB > envenom then mut to envenom
Or is garrote garrote rupture better?
steep obsidian
you are going to refresh that 2cp rupture with a max pandemic one 4cp one wastes cp
espec if you are plying xsang
steep obsidian
the openers are in the pin
torn hinge
For a tb build, should I buy 3x severe tomorrow or 1 infinite stars?
red plaza
That’s the TB opener yes
next solar
are there going to be any op oldschool craftable items of prepatch/leveling?
strange python
🤷🏾♀️
sullen pagoda
🔮
urban gale
How do u guys manage cool downs in mythic wrathion. Do you vanish for smoke and mirrors
vale wolf
With vision of perfection minor you can use it on 1:30 and 3:30 with vendetta for the boss
urban gale
I should have mentioned, using expedient build
strange python
Just check the highest log which also fit ur killtime and ur build. then do what he did (u can watch the replay of every log and if u press on his name u can see what he used when)
narrow wagon
So, for keys assassination.. I have Torment in a Jar (460) what should I use as my 2nd trinket? I have Loaded Dice (465) Drest (460) Dragonscale (460) Vita (445)
iron valve
gritty flame
@narrow wagon loaded dice-vita with socket, but better would be sim ))
narrow wagon
idk how to work that x.x
astral pasture
maybe i just don't do m+ enough, but i did a 15 mechagon jy (guildies key) and got a 475 item from underrot
i was under the impression that doing a 15 jy would give me a 475 from jy
narrow wagon
Nah, if you do a 15... it gives you an item from the entire loot table of mythics.
I did a FH 15, and got an AD dagger.
astral pasture
i don't know how i never noticed that
honest heath
I started up my rogue again a few weeks ago...mostly focusing on pvp but want to also do m+ as the rogue. is it ok to just stack gushing for corruptions?
steep obsidian
@urban gale Most of the high logs would be using vendetta at 2 mins and cloaking through the blisters instead of running away but what lone said
jolly helm
So, for keys assassination.. I have Torment in a Jar (460) what should I use as my 2nd trinket? I have Loaded Dice (465) Drest (460) Dragonscale (460) Vita (445)
@narrow wagon I would use Loaded Dice since it gives you crit, which is a very good stat for your aoe abilities. Most rogues, myself included use it as well as Spyglass.
jolly helm
That is pretty good for single target syncs well with vendetta so for your burst window yes it is huge
narrow wagon
yeah, ran a 14 KR and some dude just handed it to me, was in shock tbh
jolly helm
Congrats! I would always look at raider io for good rogues and their builds, usually for m+ they tend to choose outlaw
jolly helm
HC raden is your best friend
narrow wagon
yeah, gotta run him this week.. I think I'm gonna bonus roll.
jolly helm
If you manage to go into m nyalotha, might as well use one for wrath for that 475 dagger
Dont forget to choose loot spec! Might help you recover from a headache 🙂
or lets say prevent one* ^^
narrow wagon
loool, yeah
jolly helm
And I believe for pvp you want to stack gushing wound
steep obsidian
I got my 2nd 475 spyglass
strange python
Atleat it was socketed i guess
strange python
Does seal fate work off of echoing blades?
strange python
ty
placid dawn
whats the most likely EB piece from azerite vendor? head or chest?
turbid abyss
Can someone point me in the direction of a good M NZoth parse and how to dissect it so I can reverse engineer what theyre doing to get my parse up?
white wyvern
@placid dawn It's chest IIRC. 4/6 have EB.
placid dawn
is coral good for m+? or do i take dice instead?}
turbid abyss
@vapid elk I dont think anyone with high IO runs Coral, most everyone runs Plumage/Spyglass on Fort weeks and swaps plum for vita on Tyra.
uncut cape
rouge talk starts
tropic ocean
I think that depends on what build you are playing and how much crit you have
north pond
pseudo hamlet
Why is this even in the game 😭
@north pond No idea... But I know why this is ! (joking, they're not bad PvP wrists! 🙂 )
worldly condor
for M+ sin rogues want all severe right?
fleet whale
Eventually you want Strikethrough
worldly condor
could someone with the crit build link their sim for me?
silent dawn
does anyone know what i should be rolling for titan residumhttps://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/belavierr
balmy condor
for what
upbeat tinsel
what content
silent dawn
for titan residium azerite pieces
balmy condor
yes but for what
upbeat tinsel
mythic+, pvp, raiding?
silent dawn
im building exp
balmy condor
for raid, type 2 if you can't get mythic cara, and goraks/clock shoulders
silent dawn
so i guess raiding
upbeat tinsel
is there just not a channel on this discord to talk about shadowlands? are rogues all super emo about expansion or am I blind?
balmy condor
SL channels are spec channels and general
upbeat tinsel
I guess just have to catch the discussion at the right time
silent dawn
is it better to run 2 dd or 2 ss
dark crag
I deleted goraks because the way to the scrapper is too inconvenient