Maybe you should check them urself
#assassination
quasi pewter
main warren
i wish i was good enough to not even be top 1000
fleet anchor
@vital haven still out there sandbagging All-Star ranking by not killing N'zoth a single time in the last 3 months
quasi pewter
flint pier
what is tb?
strange python
Toxic Blade
fleet anchor
Man all this time Whispyr I thought you were good
fleet whale
i guess blizz wanted to add the TB effect to SL leveling
to make going from 50 to 60 feel better?
main warren
seems weird
fleet whale
they are doing it to other specs too
like fire and arcane get shit from 50 to 60
but from what i can tell
balmy condor
@fleet anchor im really good at being bad
fleet whale
minus the covenant stuff, outlaw and sub have everything by 50
fleet anchor
I suppose that is a skill
fleet anchor
Pretty soon, probably done on the weekend
fleet anchor
Nah, have to do strings I think
fleet anchor
Can probably see if we can get wowhead to have an export string
low girder
reading and playing are different, useful skills
low girder
is a good one
shut garnet
oh boy
shut garnet
are u moving to sub in 9.0 whysp
balmy condor
shut garnet
MOVING TENT
balmy condor
Idk probably not tbh unless sin is just strictly worse
arctic walrus
Log check
balmy condor
!warn vel
shut garnet
Sim check
fleet whale
i may change my color to blue
balmy condor
Why’s it do nothing
fleet whale
i wish the sub color was purple though, but i guess that color is already taken for Shadows
shut garnet
Petition to make shadows grey when
fleet whale
i was green in legion....
fleet whale
when poison assassin had it's own color
balmy condor
There’s no more
fleet whale
make sub a darker blue
fleet whale
i don't want to be a pirate
little root
balmy condor
I’ve been un-ironically considering it for m+
little root
balmy condor
Roll the bones CD has peaked my interest
little root
take that back
low girder
what if you have to run the sometimes you can reroll conduit
low girder
lmao
balmy condor
I actually dislike that finishers reduce the cooldown of rtb
I want to reroll even less
little root
fleet whale
some people want to re-roll though
balmy condor
Sure
fleet whale
they don't want to be stuck with bad buffs
balmy condor
I’m saying I don’t
Foreverguy enjoys outlaw
And that whole channel is poppin full of nice lads
But I can’t stand it
Because rtb gets on my nerves
low girder
same
little root
the thing is, RTB is the only finisher i use cause i have a gambling problem 
fleet whale
need to get your fix somehow
low girder
i have played it on occasion when the situation calls for it but i try to avoid it when possible
fleet whale
maybe that's why outlaw is so popular in china
cause i believe gambling is banned there
low girder
it was much easier to avoid this time
balmy condor
little root
low girder
"sorry don't have corruptions for it lulz"
flint pier
hey guys sorry i had some aoe pieces on by accident
balmy condor
No worries
flint pier
guys when should i use galecallers
in an encounter
and is it still worth it if its 465?
balmy condor
Before exsang with vendetta
And on cooldown otherwise
You should sim to see if it’s better than your trinkets
main warren
only thing better than 465 is something from the box. odds aren't super great there.
grizzled orbit
Lol. Come over to the pirate side of life 
balmy condor
I might
main warren
seems like a fairy tale
wary kelp
guildie pulled 475 socketed gale on tuesday
grizzled orbit
Waiting for you to interject on an outlaw question. All of our jaws will drop in unison
grizzled orbit
I made a comment in sub one time. I got crucified 😬
grizzled orbit
Immediate 
woeful wigeon
hey i need some on voice help with a exanguinte knowledge persone high end
balmy condor
we all do our best to make the world a little better, even in small ways. If you put a smile on someone's face I think its a win
balmy condor
only rank1's sorry raz
grizzled orbit
It’s a selfless job. Keep up the good work. @balmy condor
scarlet sequoia
damnit
flint pier
im just needing a better belt to put expedient 3 on
balmy condor
its happening :P
woeful wigeon
tbh that way to low for what i seek k
flint pier
whats mfd?
balmy condor
marked for death
the right talent in the 3rd row
why don't you put exped on that twilight dev belt
that's a great belt
woeful wigeon
any high ed exxsaguite here eed some advice for 3 thigs
balmy condor
feel free to ask questions in here :)
flint pier
how can u see my gear 😮
balmy condor
I yoinked the simc input you used for the quick sim
flint pier
should i use the deeper strategem?
balmy condor
XD
balmy condor
fair
don't see much else
you could run full exped in m+
would be fine
but the TD feels good
balmy condor
mecha rings
flint pier
can u link ur sim?
balmy condor
its a couple weeks old
but aside from the corruptions
that's basically BiS
replacing your loop of pulsing veins with a logic loop of division
is kinda big
green moss
both rings from the box... fuck that shit lol
main warren
the dream
shut garnet
i wonder how much higher volatile wrists and drest gloves sim compared to skitra wrist hivemind gloves
hm
balmy condor
may I introduce you
flint pier
fuark
balmy condor
to my man gear compare
flint pier
so the idea is to get the mechagon ring
woeful wigeon
lo with 3 world vei its easy to hit 120k
flint pier
and like sockets?
woeful wigeon
your sim is cheated liek that
woeful wigeon
ad 100 % uptime my ass
balmy condor
second off, its 90% uptime
balmy condor
and third off, worldvein allies don't matter if you're not using worldvein
hybrid harness
sims using clf quite nicely
balmy condor
but even then, 100% uptime is completely reasonable for some raid groups
main warren
what
low girder
worldvein uptime does not apply if you're not running worldvein
hybrid harness
it literally cant use the wv buff if you dont have essence equipped
balmy condor
does this make you happier
the 54 dps it sims lower
when I cranked uptime to 10% and remove worldvein allies
within margin of error btw
woeful wigeon
cann you join me on voice got a question
woeful wigeon
damm
balmy condor
but you can type the question here
and bring forth understanding to everyone
who have similar questions :)
woeful wigeon
cause i streuggling with 3 things bit hard to explain in text
shut garnet
abyssal authority n volatile actually sim worse holy fuck I thought I had to farm 2 more exp3s and 2 more sockets
heart attack over
woeful wigeon
ravehold guide says 7x exp3 1exp 1or2 and 1 honed mank r3
balmy condor
yes
woeful wigeon
i have 34% crit cap 74% haste unbuffed 43 mastery 3 versa not even fully expdient geared
balmy condor
sure
woeful wigeon
why we go full exp on all items
while ravennhold normally says honed mind rank 3
balmy condor
because we don't have the resistance to do honed mind 3 while staying under 60
shut garnet
some fights would really suck >60
woeful wigeon
fun part is will we reach it before expantion ends haha
fleet anchor
@balmy condor How dare you use CLF! 😄
low girder
we'll reach it at least for a little prolly
balmy condor
ain't even my sim dude
low girder
it's only 4 weeks out
fleet anchor
Everyone knows that Khira removes your logs unless you use BotE
shut garnet
clf nerds 
low girder
he removes your logs if you hit anything except the boss actually
flint pier
and %
balmy condor
you do mythic raid
get your mecha rings
and sockets in every slot
khira is a she I'm pretty sure
balmy condor
I sim 150k+ 3 min with IS 27
flint pier
i cant see this guys stats in his sim
shut garnet
Are they next to those 150k sims 
woeful wigeon
sneackystab silvermoon allliance sims him once he a monster atm
all purple and orange logs
fleet anchor
Raz, I figured out the secret. WV Allies = 20
flint pier
and weird corruption
balmy condor
wdym
woeful wigeon
well that the thinf i focus haste on all items 34% crit cap rest mastery
flint pier
oh its a 3 min
balmy condor
that's legit trolling
shut garnet
there is no crit cap
balmy condor
don't ever say that in my presence again
fleet anchor
It's 33.8%
fleet anchor
That's exactly what I have on my gear which means that's the cap...
balmy condor
dude true
can't argue that logic
infexious used that logic and people believed him
fleet anchor
Just smack buttons and have good kill times
balmy condor
where's that one koji quote
Turns out you can really just mash buttons randomly as Assassination 10% of the time and it really doesn't matter 😛
@fleet anchor
fleet anchor
Yep, pretty much true
scarlet sequoia
omg
fleet anchor
Probably being too pessimistic only saying 10%
balmy condor
I only watch yoppa
future better guild
maybe you'll be able to make it one day raz
shut garnet
scarlet sequoia
im the number 1
nukkz is better tho
holy moly nukkz is so good
he is literally the best by far
shut garnet
what about nibren
scarlet sequoia
certainly
balmy condor
dawn viper
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
main warren
probably stupid question, but would stepping to a toy on ilg still cleave people in the way?
balmy condor
probably not
light jacinth
😔
fiery cradle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qRHv2jpns3GBiNMwko396K
better than it was i guess lol xd
fiery cradle
yea sure
fiery cradle
u could hypothetically turn those into echoes
light jacinth
miss me
flint pier
guys is it better to take 465 azerite pieces from hc nyalotha
or 480 with shrouded
?
flint pier
howcome?
balmy condor
got good traits
flint pier
haste?
flint pier
im just tryin to learn it
strange python
I mean
strange python
it's good bc it's good
obviously
like glimpse is good bc your mut gets lower cd
balmy condor
stop it
fiery cradle
i hate waiting for mut to come off cd
fleet anchor
Have only done 1 HV and zero invasions in the last month, screw it 😛
strange python
raz can try my glimpse build, he has echoes for it atleast 🙂
light jacinth
balmy condor
not very
balmy condor
raz do you have any other words of wisdom
hollow robin
Im more worried about having 10 s of no having to move
also, working on M Nzoth, which trinkets should i use?
Been on coral + BDS, but just got vita
balmy condor
a majority of galecaller is standing in it when you hit exsang
since exsang snapshots, you can do whatever you want afterwards tbh
hollow robin
so do you delay the galecallers?
for every other exsang
I guess using on cd has it line up with the 2 min burst, so nvm
balmy condor
no
you use it before exsang when you have the vendetta/exsangs
and you use on cd otherwise
won't line up with those exsangs
but it'll line up with each vendetta
hollow robin
kk
is it still worth using on a fight like nzoth?
or am i better off using some combo of vita/dragonscale/coral?
sour wraith
You're not gonna get 100% effectiveness out of it, but I've been finding it really strong for the burn phases
crimson palm
Plumage is better
balmy condor
^
balmy condor
coral and dragonscale are both pretty tragic
hollow robin
true
dragonscale only sims better for me cuz my vita isnt socketed
and i need to run more visions to get some mementos
balmy condor
you're always using vita tho
hollow robin
true
fleet anchor
GCB is fine yeah, N'zoth is probably the only fight where it takes a little more planning but tbh it really doesn't matter there either because of the timings.. you can always delay for Exsang if you need to on a fight like N'zoth with movement
Other fights nowadays it's pretty much whatever
I run it on every fight and don't really think about it too hard
crimson palm
You get more stats per burn from plumage
fleet anchor
In a vacuum Plumage is probably better but the Exsang snapshot benefit kinda evens things out
At least for me the same ilevel Plumage is like 0.6% behind or something, but it's pretty close and kinda whatever you have/want to use
Or if you get higher ilevel in a cache
Or PvP trinket
fleet anchor
Yeah over the fight that's true. I mean trying to parse on N'zoth atm is kinda a headache anyway 😦
fleet anchor
My DPS goes lower every week on N'zoth pretty much lol
need to pay half the raid to just stand around or something
lol
sour wraith
Have any of you had coral sim higher than plumage/gcb? 😆
fleet anchor
Not in a little while
balmy condor
no
crimson palm
Gotta pad more Koji 
fleet anchor
Dude N'zoth reminds me more and more of trying to parse on Hellfire Assault 🤣
sour wraith
TBF it's a 10 min sim cuz I'm not sure what's best for n'zoth sims but 
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aoqWpggFSM3x1nFogC5fN8
crimson palm
I quit wod in highmaul 
fleet anchor
I remember we did /rolls at the start of HFA to have half the raid stand at the entrance and do nothing lol
So that the other half could actually parse lol
balmy condor
10 min sims are probably a little troll
there's no good way to sim for specific fights tbh
fleet whale
no one can parse Hellfire assault
i'm pretty sure everyone would just parse green/grey at some point
fleet anchor
Honestly if you want to get a sense for the value of Coral on N'zoth something like DungeonSlice is probably actually better
balmy condor
yeah the one time I'll actually recommend dungeon slice
balmy condor
koji don't hurt me pls
fleet anchor
If you don't go down I guess
warm parcel
It worked out great on proge
strange python
fleet anchor
I always get sent down though 😦
strange python
4,5Months progression
warm parcel
Just gotta get used to dotting up nozoth
fleet anchor
@fleet whale you just keep having more and more people do nothing lol
fleet whale
but do you have 34% crit?
strange python
36
sour wraith
My RL has me just pretty much sitting psychus (no cds) after 2-3 synapses and then I really just do relevant n'zoth damage after that, other people just kinda blow up tentacles and stuff
fleet whale
unplayable at that crit rating
sour wraith
So I've just been focusing on boss burst damage
strange python
._:?
fleet whale
i'm just trolling man
strange python
e-e
fleet whale
it's a meme
balmy condor
you fucked up varo
strange python
but i dont understand why Mastery scales way better then haste at this point
fleet whale
bleeds tick faster
balmy condor
because more damage per tick is better than faster tick
fleet whale
so you want higher bleed damage eventually
strange python
hm ok
fleet anchor
The problem really is there's not a ton of a good way to utilize the increasing value of Mastery
Like other than maybe 1 Honed or weapon enchant swaps, Haste still ends up being better because of all the Expedient and available trinkets
Like if there was a big Mastery on-use it'd probably be pog
But there isn't
sour wraith
Titanforged CoS trinket
fleet anchor
I think Mastery enchant can definitely win out at higher Haste levels, some folks were talking about that a little while ago
But just depends on the gear setup
fallow otter
If there is any cleave at all im guessing it gets better and better though for obv reasons
crimson palm
2 versa gems were like 250 dps upg for my setup
strange python
o_O
void pecan
fleet anchor
secondary stat rating curves can be funky
Especially since a lot of our gearsets run like almost no Vers at all
fleet anchor
lol yeah definitely a big part of why Plumage is really good with this setup
strange python
true
crimson palm
Fuck vita
inner zephyr
anyone have a decent build i should test out for PTR ?
fleet anchor
Kinda whatever.. EP and Blindside are pretty close atm.
Vigor probably instead of Deeper with so little Haste
Alacrity
CT vs. PB probably just depends on what you are doing
balmy condor
ambush garrote ambush
or garrote ambush garrote
depends
on what ends up being pog
inner zephyr
alright ill test them out thanks for the help!
strange python
what all dots can be shown when applied through weak auras for assassination?
like feral can show two dots active
strange python
ty
drifting cloud
I waved at yoppa in Dalaran once and he ignored me, hes a monster
strange python
lol
vast forum
did i ? 
i didn't notice i swear
didn't know ppl would actually recognize me in-game
vast forum
i afk often in dalaran 😄
i'm putting all of my hopes in dwarves being so broken that future transfers to alliance, so i can have shadowmeld again
at least after progress, i assume i'd have to be dwarf for prog
crimson palm
It looks like dwarves will be good in Nathria
But then you have to play dwarf rogue
crimson palm
My nzoth parses are still scuffed, 115k+ is possible with no mistakes
vast forum
only with buyers
vital haven
so humble what a guy
crimson palm
Either buyers or no fire mages
crimson palm
Our locks are not the best so I'm fine with em
The advantage of not being top100
It's more about the small things tho
vast forum
my best n'zoth parse was with a lock, 3 mages and 3 hunters
crimson palm
Like getting full extended garrotes on nzoth
vast forum
and i didn't even full pad
crimson palm
On the top parse atm all my garrotes are 18s
vast forum
that's insane
crimson palm
I'm lucky we got 1 mage only
The other is on vacation and third one tanked nzoth on progress so he's still doing it
With 2 mages thots dps is around 8k
Without 1 15k
Almost double
fleet anchor
@gusty kestrel MP is probably more an endgame build with Conduits/legendary, don't think it'll be great in prepatch.. or any better than what it is now anyhow
arctic walrus
mp do much for slaughter?
fleet anchor
Should work exactly the same
But could be strong with the Conduit
Slaughter Poison is in the family label for DP so anything that affects DP should affect it
Affecting spells : Improved Poisons (14117 effect#1), Venomous Totem (23726 effect#2), Envenom (32645 effect#2), Mastery: Potent Assassin (76803 effect#1), Master Poisoner (196864 effect#1), Toxic Blade (245389 effect#1), Virulent Poisons (252277 effect#1), Shiv (319033 effect#1), Shiv (319504 effect#1), Lethal Poisons (341539 effect#1)
So should include all the proc rate increases
oblique sundial
the best weap enchant for raid is Deadly ( main ) quick ( off ) hands right ?
balmy condor
usually quick + something nav
you can sim that
also does not matter at all what hand they're on
oblique sundial
oh tyty
strange python
what is crit cape for expedient build ?
urban gale
im a little confused by this sim, why are the 475 haste mastery shoes with socket being beaten by the 465 crit haste shoes with socket
i selected two expedient 3s as being available
balmy condor
probably the crit > the mast
urban gale
crazy
urban gale
yea i think ur right, this is even asking me to use my deadeye spyglass over vita
oh cool ty
balmy condor
strange python
Is it better to go Haste>Crit or Haste>Mastery for M nzoth?
balmy condor
a balance of both
strange python
Im rocking 70% base haste with 29% crit and around 35% mastery
urban gale
how key is echoing blades for m+
balmy condor
echoing blades is popping for a crit build
balmy condor
3x SS 3x EB with crit/vers build is actually huge
strange python
Wait nvm
cyan bone
Anyone really bored rn who wants to come +0 with me? lol
strange python
heyas question, what is higher dps outlaw or assassination?
fallow otter
sick
vital haven
HMMMMMMMMMMMM
fallow otter
i think ill be sorting all that purple out with a masterful weapon chant dw guys
balmy condor
What’s wrong with purple
balmy condor
I love purple :(
fiery cradle
raidbops
fallow otter
need more for gems
strange python
guys hi
I got 3 azerite pieces with shrouded suffacation trait
so when I use garrote I'm only getting 3 combo points
loud light
correct
strange python
but it says generates 2 additional points
strange python
so last question; what is the best rotation for expedient build ?
for single target
fallow otter
do you mean opener?
strange python
yeah
strange python
what heals does assassination all have for pvp?
arctic walrus
vial cloak trait lucid minor
fallow otter
feint is your best heal
balmy condor
Also stunkei, have premium. I would kill myself simming all these people without it lmao
fallow otter
yeh ive got some premium but only 1.8m what you got
balmy condor
Whatever the big one is
12 million or whatever
16?
I have no idea i go till it says I can’t
balmy condor
Ye sure
fallow otter
i dont think vers gonna show its face but just wanna check
swift timber
just another day on the job
balmy condor
@shrewd night dad always responds to my pings 
Except when he doesn’t of course
But he will, he just needs a pack of smokes, he said he would be back soon
tropic ocean
good
strange python
anyone have a good assassination rogue uptimes weak aura
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
Crimson tempest refresh 4 sec below?
balmy condor
Yuh
shut garnet
strange python
So your bleeds are more important than to envenom right just want to confirm it
strange python
Ok, that’s probably my problem with rotation I envenom too much. I tried not to envenom at all and suddenly my dps goes up lol
balmy condor
umbral rapids
Well you do envenom when bleeds are up and running
There’s nothing else to do anyway
proper sage
are you pooling energy cheese?
strange python
Yeah pretty much what I do when nothing else to do I envenom
proper sage
i dont get how you do less damage when you hit envenom other than youre letting your bleeds fall off
strange python
I don’t pool energy i got enough corruption to get my rotation smooth
proper sage
so what do you do when you don't hit envenom?
strange python
I let bleeds fall off due to prioritizing envenom
proper sage
just sit there or do you spam mutilate or something
no don't let your bleeds fall off
strange python
Spam mutilate
balmy condor
Empowered garrote > rupture > unempowered garrote > CT > envenom
In terms of damage/priority
strange python
What do you do when vanish is on Cooldown without empowered garrotte
zinc zephyr
how do you pad on HC nzoth? my best is 96% i want 99% on every boss (8/12 atm) 😄
proper sage
its just a priority list
balmy condor
And you just maintain
balmy condor
Not sure about timings for your group
proper sage
what it's saying is maintain bleeds (reapply in that order) and hit evenom otherwise
balmy condor
But it’s really easy to miss exsangs, and even vendetta/vanish on n’zoth
zinc zephyr
I put a rupture on psychus for energy and focusing tentacles
strange python
Ok, I feel like I burst damage really good but plummets real bad
proper sage
what kind of numbers are you talking about here
balmy condor
Should probably use 2-3 cp ruptures tentacles on tentacles and focus psychus
proper sage
yeye
zinc zephyr
like a fire mage 😄
balmy condor
And between those, it drops
strange python
I burst around 180k but plummets around 70k and the longer the fight I go 60 k
balmy condor
Seems reasonable except you should be spiking back up every 2 minutes
Unless you’re de-syncing cooldowns
When do you cast vendetta
strange python
I cast vendetta against when vanish is available
balmy condor
Okay and you’re making sure you have exsang and bote for the vanish/vendetta?
strange python
Yeah I pretty much do my opener again as soon as vanish is up again
balmy condor
And you’re telling me that’s not spiking your damage back up
balmy condor
Next guess would be overwriting your empowered dots
Details is just a meter
That won’t tell you much
strange python
Oh ok what should I get as an addon for dps
balmy condor
Well details is the best meter addon
proper sage
do you have any logs?
strange python
What addon is that “logs”
shut garnet
strange python
Ok ty
shut garnet
its not an addon
strange python
How do you run that ingame
shut garnet
when you raid usually
balmy condor
https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performance#the-required-tools
This will tell you everything you need to know
strange python
Ty heaps man
balmy condor
Np
When you do your next raid
Turn those on
And then send the link to the report
And someone here will take a look for you (will probably be me cause I have no life and this is my swamp 
)
strange python
Sweet man ty a lot
outer lotus
If you"prioritize envenom over keeping bleeds up" doesnt that mean you use 0 ruptures and only envenom all the time?
strange python
Sometimes I just get flustered and panic lol
outer lotus
Oh its not a conscious decision
fallow otter
@strange python you could try searching for yourself and see if you are in someone elses logs
strange python
Oh sweet I’ll have a look ty heaps
uncut schooner
Life without whisp sounds rough
umbral rapids
True
shadow wedge
verbal mantle
Whispyr is BiS btw
tropic ocean
u need to flame him
celest ruin
why does dice sim higher than vita for me?
tropic ocean
socket?
Ilvl difference
- sim doesnt show the gain from giving vita buff to allies
so if the difference is small always vita
verbal mantle
if you clean content with other mates with vita
then vita is probably better
depends on the gap your sim tells too i guess
celest ruin
gap is about 300 dps, but thats if i farm momentos to make it socketed
ill probably just hold on to dice until i get enough for a socket
swift timber
what's the gap unsocketed
pretty sure it would still be worth just because you contribute to boss kill timer by hasting people
celest ruin
about 1k unsocketed
flint pier
is there a haste cap?
vast forum
700%
scarlet sequoia
balmy condor
Are you sure it’s not 800%
vast forum
10000%
royal lantern
34%crit will make sl the best expac
shadow wedge
keen tree
im stacking expediant. his haste/crit as good as haste/vers? I never do over 15-17 keys in case that matters
tropic ocean
haste/crit
haste/mastery
is what you want
topgear sim your available gear to find the best combinations
silent crescent
Vers is for very high keys, where you would be doing severe strikethru anyway
tropic ocean
unless you shoot for 25+ you can survive everything easily by feint/cloak/evasion so absolutely no need for vers
pine badger
What kind of builds are looking good for pre-patch?
im guessing SS stacking falls off without expedient
fleet whale
well, we don't get the toxic blade effect on shiv until like level 56
tropic ocean
panic
fleet whale
just roll sub
scarlet sequoia
sub might be the move in prepatch
fleet whale
or perhaps even outlaw
assassination not having tb on shiv doesn't look good for it
but it's only pre-patch so who cares really
tropic ocean
or just play whatever the fuck you enjoy
bcuz we are all shitters where it doesnt matter if our specs do 5 or 10% dmg differently
except raz and infexious
crimson palm
Now imagine if your entire raid had the same mentality
scarlet sequoia
i am the best
is the guide even relevant still or did something change
i havent been following for a while now
crimson palm
Nothing changed, Smoker released new one in more details
scarlet sequoia
ye i saw that
fuck writing that much again tho ive made a 100+ pages rbg guide that was enough
and now its lost 😭
crimson palm
tropic ocean
Now imagine if your entire raid had the same mentality
@crimson palm imagine not sacrificing your life to a game and actually do what you enjoy
but guess everyone here is wf competing
😄
scarlet sequoia
if any1 says they enjoy assa in prepatch theyre lying
scarlet sequoia
comared to sub/outlaw it feels horrible
scarlet sequoia
outlaw is actually not that bad now
scarlet sequoia
well theres nothing u can do about that so it is what it is
acoustic tangle
Yo im a noob, just got told my talents are bad playing bleed assassin at lvl 95, any tips
crimson palm
do sub traits (NV) even work with rupture on ptr?
iron valve
@acoustic tangle if you're not max level yet, just play whatever feels good and worry about it later
'good' talents vary wildly between leveling, dungeons, max level, and maxed ilevel
balmy condor
@acoustic tangle bleed build is an endgame setup that requires a specific combination of gear
I would switch back to toxic blade
And NV doesn’t work @crimson palm it’s actually hilarious
keen tree
im simming 5 patchwerks for 1.5 mins to try and get m+ guidance but the sims are not aligning with what the guides tell me.
fleet whale
i guess were back
vast forum
what level of m+ are you doing where you have 5 mobs for a minute and a half ? @keen tree
33?
most packs last a minute or less
actually, most packs last 40s or less if they're properly grouped without bolstering and shit
i VERY rarely get to use 2 full garrotes on the same target (opener + vanish) unless it's some big mobs (constructs at the start of KR for example)
azure sluice
guys who do u think about best spec in shadowland
strange python
hi guys which essences would you prefer in mythic pluses ?
vast forum
blood major, breath minor are locked in
rest depends on your build and key you're doing
vision minor is good if your boss fights are ~2 min long
iris minor if you're running full expedient
lucid minor if you're not running expedient
strange python
thank you ^^
vast forum
conflict minor if you're running strikethrough/severe and bosses are <1.5 min or >2.5 min
balmy condor
@azure sluice won’t realistically know until after the first heroic raid week
Especially now that we’re just NOW getting conduits and haven’t had a ton of balance changes
Mega troll to be thinking about what’s best
balmy condor
Ye
vast forum
but tuning will give the final answer
balmy condor
But still depends on a lot
vast forum
for example, sub is just GARBAGE on huntsman (boss tested yday)
constant 2-target cleave
but sub might be king on sludgefist, with his dps increase phases being ~1 min apart
which is 2 SoD lengths 😄
and sub is generally just burstier
this is all, ofc, assuming that all specs are pretty much balanced and fight design decides what's best
azure sluice
dunno i feel like outlaw is a big naa since targetcap5 with roll on 45cd
azure sluice
i dont know and i dont think so
well what i know is
multi dotters
will shine
in shadowlands
cus of most of class being target caped
and asa is multi dotter so
https://www.wowmeta.com/shadowlands/dps-rankings shows that assa best meele dpser atm
cobalt pelican
aaaaa
crimson palm
oblique lark
))))))
I've seen this site four times today, in four different discords 🙂
mb it's true?)
balmy condor
Where the fuck did that page come from
And why do idiots keep falling for their dumb shit
verbal mantle
balmy condor
I’ve seen it linked at least a dozen times in the last week
swift timber
wish people could stop linking it makes me so sad to know that I'm not playing on bis realm
every link is just another reminder
vast forum
KEKW I CALLED IT
people will come in here linking wowmeta
with exactly 0 testing of rogues with full set of working legendaries/conduits
grizzled orbit
Or talents for that matter
vast forum
tho i admit i don't see everything posted here so it might have already been linked multiple times
o yea that too 😄
missing talents
balmy condor
It did get linked multiple times
vast forum
having to level to actually have toxic blade
balmy condor
And it fucking sucks
grizzled orbit
It’s just a projection though. Realistically, the top 5 are probably true more or less. People are always getting so worked up about a “projection” lol
oblique lark
I didn't even have TB on the test ...
grizzled orbit
I have 3 enhance shamans on my team. Hoping it isn’t accurate. 😬😅
vast forum
a lot of testing was unplayable
first round of testing, lag was unbearable
so sub/outlaw were unplayable
and assa could just put up bleeds and afk
oblique lark
sub was funny on huntsman)
vast forum
huntsman padding has nothing to do with spec tho, you can legit just cast 2 bone spikes on the 2 adds and be top dps in the grp
regardless of spec
oblique lark
true(
crimson palm
Subs gonna be strong for bursting down that add tho
vast forum
that add isn't gonna live long enough to matter
crimson palm
Assuming timings are good for sod
vast forum
having more burst on those adds won't make or break your progress
oblique lark
its just sb bug nvm)
crimson palm
I assume they will tune it up
vast forum
doesn't matter how much they tune it up, leave them cced for longer and you get more extra dps
or at least it seems so
looks like the idea of the adds is to emphasize on CC
crimson palm
Does it receive increased dmg per s spent in cc
vast forum
yea
vast forum
i think it stacks for every second of every cc on them
crimson palm
That's pretty bs tho
vast forum
i mean, sub will be OP if what they make it the way you said
just dance, cheap 1 cheap 2 kidney 1 cheap 2 cheap 1 cheap 2 😄
crimson palm
That's exactly what I was doing lmao
oblique lark
and im doing 7m dps from sb) no need cc)
oblique lark
a funny bug, but even with him, we couldn't kill 😦
vast forum
i mean, we took the boss to 1% hp but ppl were legit full inting
shadowpriests killing themselves with shadow word: death on the adds trying to max out padding
vast forum
s2m is gonna be the play on every fight with at least 1 add
i'm playing shadow too and it's SO GOOD
i love the new design
vast forum
i'll never main anything other than rogue
crimson palm
Especially for last boss
vast forum
but it's likely my first alt
crimson palm
Last boss will need thr grips
vast forum
forever ❤️
oblique lark
))
balmy condor
shut garnet
does rogue look like will secure a melee spot?
oblique lark
if u RL
balmy condor
Probably will be similar to how rogue secures a spot
You have a rogue in your group that pumps and has decent utility
So you take them cause the other option is a warrior who was dropped as a child
shut garnet
rogue squared 
balmy condor
shut garnet
well, have any of you played rogue on it?
crimson palm
I only saw p1
And 2 attempts in p2
And it's w/e
P1 wants aoe burst and boss. Dmg
It's mostly down to healers
Arms are gonna be good
Udks as well
vast forum
no mythic testing on sire yet
vast forum
i think only 1 extra mythic mechanic was there but there are a few other changes that weren't in
or maybe i'm wrong
vast forum
i think the debuffs work slightly differently on mythic which wasn't in first testing