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urban gale
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haste mast heavy haste

balmy condor
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I mean sounds decent yeh

vast forum
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there are no specific bis 475 items

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as long as you have 485 daggers and boots, mechagon rings and correct trinkets, the bracers/belt/gloves/pants are all just "have haste" mostly and you fill the stat budget with sockets depending on what the sims say

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(yes at some point, you don't want anymore haste, so even having 1 item without haste is fine, cuz then the sim will just tell you to add more haste gems)

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assuming obviously that you have full sockets and full 475/485 gear (465 mechagon rings probably)

ruby ibex
balmy condor
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well on shad it was 2:12 so that's very unlucky

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bote in the middle of nowhere

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vendetta without exsang/vanish

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bote potion in nowhere land again

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yeah you're just mega desyncing cooldowns

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not too sure why

ruby ibex
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BotE on CD with 15+ on garrote, and 25+ on Rupt, right after exang I thought?

balmy condor
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bote never on cd

ruby ibex
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Fuck

balmy condor
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you hold bote for vendetta/vanish

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and you hold vendetta for vanish

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opener
exsang @0:50
gcb @1:05
exsang @1:35
vendetta/vanish/bote/exsang @2:20

ruby ibex
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First vanish is held until Exan'd Garrote drops, yeah?

balmy condor
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first vanish is after those drop yeah

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for those really really short fight <2 min

ruby ibex
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So my opener is solid, I just am supposed to hold BotE until after vanish>Vendetta

balmy condor
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you should be holding vanish for something

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like 1:33 on maut is super super short

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probably run formless on that

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and yoink a CLF

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yeah at 2:20ish all your cds line up again

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and you rinse repeat

strange python
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Why is BotE going after excenguanate? In general...

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Just to make sure.

balmy condor
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because bote gives crit damage and crit rate

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and exsang condenses your damage into a shorter window

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and shorter window + buff = good

ruby ibex
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Ok... this is dumb, but what are GCB and CLF?

balmy condor
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galecallers boon

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and condensed life force

ruby ibex
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Oh

strange python
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So if I use BotE before just by accident it's not big deal?

balmy condor
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I think you run plumage

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didn't look to closely

ruby ibex
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Yeah, I have 0 ranks of CLF and I hated GCB

balmy condor
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if you use bote before it, you're missing out on at least a couple ticks

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its definitely worse

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but the world probably isn't going to end

strange python
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Ok.

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Yeah I feel like it. topkek

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Just trying to clear how good I understand this build.

balmy condor
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you're missing out on a second of ticks on crit dam/crit rate

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@ruby ibex also seems like you're not booming it down the tunnel on cara

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oh you guys go all on one side

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unfortunate

novel drum
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I legit thought you cant do that on mythic

balmy condor
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well for one its heroic

ruby ibex
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This is Heroic, my guild is only 4/12M atm, and they judge DPS by how we parse in Heroic

balmy condor
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wow that's kinda omega yikes

ruby ibex
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So basically I need to nut all over everything to get to go

novel drum
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ooooh

balmy condor
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most of those fights are <3 min

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1:30 wrath 1:30 maut

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they're judging based on that?

ruby ibex
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Overall across all fightsd

balmy condor
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oh god

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that's arguably even fucking worse

novel drum
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thats a great set of data omegalul

urban gale
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is the top pinned guide still accurate

balmy condor
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yes

strange python
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Whisp, can you suggest what to do on hm mythic right?

balmy condor
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on what

strange python
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Hivemind.

balmy condor
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pump boss, don't die

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CT the small adds

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if a darter comes into melee, kill it, hit it with a kidney if you can cancel the cast

strange python
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Do I need multy dot?

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Or it's waste of dps?

balmy condor
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you mean the bosses?

strange python
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Ya.

balmy condor
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yeah multi dotting bosses is huge

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3 garrotes on pull

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holding vanish for ravager is pretty good too

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then you can garrote ravager tekris and kazir

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pretty big

strange python
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Got it got it. Thank you.

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Any idea about builds on prepatch and SL so far?

balmy condor
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alacrity and poison seems good

ruby ibex
balmy condor
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well

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you got the vanish/vendetta/exsang

ruby ibex
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That too

balmy condor
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but it's almost 3 minutes in on maut

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I assume you pussied out and didn't use anything on the stone phase

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and that's why its delayed

ruby ibex
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Yea, I 100% did that lol

balmy condor
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tsk tsk

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for shame

novel drum
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gotta save cloak vial and pot for that

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and go monkey brain

balmy condor
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oh and there's the vendetta/vanish desync again on shad

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unlucky

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you should probably consider VoP minor for wrathion as well

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if these guys are looking at overall damage

ruby ibex
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Just so Im 100% sure, my opener is correct, with delaying vanish such that it will be off some number of seconds before vanish, and then I hold vendetta until just before the second vanish?

balmy condor
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yes

ruby ibex
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VoP instead of Void?

balmy condor
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you hold everything for the second vanish

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VoP over lucid

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you don't have to

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but its pretty nice imo

ruby ibex
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And that second vanish is gonna be Vend>Van>Gar>Rup>Gar>5/6 CP dependent again, until exang after 6CP Rupture just like the opener, or?

balmy condor
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well the second vanish you can mut before vanishing

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so you can usually get 3-4 cp from that

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and then vanish gar brings you to 6

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so the rup is 6

ruby ibex
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Oh, yeah, so it could be Mut>Vend>Van>Gar>Rup>Gar>Exang

balmy condor
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so you don't have to do any rupturing after that

urban gale
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does wound poison proc the damage portion on bosses/

balmy condor
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yes but don't ever use wound poison in pve

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that's for the #pvp nerds

urban gale
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wait am i hallucinating or am i sometimes able to use two posions

balmy condor
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yes, deadly and crippling

urban gale
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ohhh

balmy condor
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with leeching if you're running that

urban gale
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ok, mutually exclusive between deadly aand wound

balmy condor
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yes, those are lethal poisons and you can only use 1 at a time

urban gale
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i see, ty

balmy condor
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np

ruby ibex
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Last question, I think I have this right, I don't delay anything for CT, correct? It's pmuch the lowest priority?

balmy condor
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no

ruby ibex
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Heck

balmy condor
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CT is just maintain

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and if it drops while you're doing exsang combos

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fuck it

ruby ibex
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Oh ok

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Many thanks!

balmy condor
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any time

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I live here

ruby ibex
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Hahaha

strange python
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You guys ever have a problem where CT doesn't apply to targets?

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Like for example, Skitra's clones?

balmy condor
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skitra is bugged

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next question

strange python
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ez

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My man

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What would I do without you Whispyr

balmy condor
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idk

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live your life

runic kiln
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group making melee handle back tents in p1 and run out with bombs on p3 cara so ranged can turret. what do

balmy condor
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getting help from one of the other 30000 people in this server

strange python
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shh you're the best

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green name when

balmy condor
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green name is w/e imo

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as long as I can keep helping

strange python
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ur a green in my heart

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in other news, i finally got my chest from cara today

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i am a happy man

balmy condor
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but do you have 2 cara daggers

strange python
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no pepehands

harsh sphinx
balmy condor
strange python
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and my sims are still ass

balmy condor
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at least you aren't like whats his face

strange python
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one day ill get those mech rings

balmy condor
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with the WV major

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where's that clown I never know how to ping him cause his names in full chinese like a god damn weeb

strange python
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@chinaboi

balmy condor
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@rigid eagle you

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with the face

rigid eagle
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DID I HEAR WORLDVEIN

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lol i want a wv tag at this point

vital haven
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NO WORLDVEIN

balmy condor
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dude its fine

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you're just playing pre-nerf

runic kiln
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cara dagger isnt real

strange python
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it's an illusion

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3 kills 3 loot though so far

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i'll take it

runic kiln
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id hate it less if we didnt have melee handle back tents in p1 and to run out with bombs in p3 to prop up ranged

strange python
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yeah that's beat. tell em you want to do middle group in p1

runic kiln
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oh weve tried

rigid eagle
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i mean it's world of fire mages rn right, so anything to support those ranged dps

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bm and locks too

runic kiln
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whole officer core is warlocks and mages who basically just re-build our strats so they can parse

strange python
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p3 bombs is kind of a whole group activity though, i mean everyone has to run out in a way

runic kiln
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we have our melee run past the nearest cysts

strange python
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oof

runic kiln
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so ranged can turret

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ye

strange python
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should just go into purp and cloak it

runic kiln
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i try, but not up for every bomb

rigid eagle
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hey guys

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how does coral interact with bleeds?

balmy condor
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it adds crit

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and then your bleeds crit

rigid eagle
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on fights like drest can i just coral boss, leave bleed on it

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and then come back with a million stacks when its time to pump

balmy condor
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no

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because its "damaging abilities"

rigid eagle
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OOF

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i see

balmy condor
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triggers on cast

rigid eagle
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oh also, does internal bleeding apply to drest adds lol

balmy condor
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yes

rigid eagle
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oh poggers

stone gust
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What’s a good corruption build for sin? Mythic plus

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Crit haste severe corruptions?

balmy condor
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yeah crit/vers stacking, severe till 55-60%, then strikes

rigid eagle
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holy shit internal bleeding is 55k dmg over 6 seconds

balmy condor
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sure

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seems okay

rigid eagle
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but it doesnt change how we use exsang right

balmy condor
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lmao no

rigid eagle
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okie cool

balmy condor
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some logic to think about

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do you force CT into exsang?

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then why would you force internal bleeding into exsang

rigid eagle
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ah

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makes sense

vale spruce
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
fallow otter
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on fights like drest can i just coral boss, leave bleed on it
@rigid eagle what other trinkets do you have

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Running blood lastnight have me a chance to parse on some other bosses, we actually cleared because we had a 12m buyer

rigid eagle
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@fallow otter i have all the normal stuff

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plumage gcb etc

fallow otter
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I just run plumage on drest

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Rank 12 last night

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Blood

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Nothing crazy but good enough

solar latch
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i sim 30k more damage than my outlaw but should i bring my ct sin rogue to m+ or stick with outlaw

balmy condor
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depends on dungeon

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if you have outlaw gear you should use outlaw

solar latch
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the only outlaw gear i have is just a spare azerite set and a couple rings

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I would still be mostly using my haste gear

balmy condor
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then idk how you're simming

solar latch
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hm actually havent simmed my outlaw since i got my new corruption

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yea still 60k compared to my 89k sin rogue

balmy condor
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well yeah

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that's a single target sim with exped on outlaw

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that's super scuffed

solar latch
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well with all the haste gear wouldnt aoe with ct do more damage with bleeds

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i got big numbers during hivemind when the adds spawned

balmy condor
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yeah

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probably better

solar latch
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hmm dont know cause in m+ the pulls are normally 3 or 4 and ct does less damage than a full combo point evis when theres only 3 mobs

fleet whale
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do you mean envenom

solar latch
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yea

spark pasture
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is there a resource for beta somewhere or are they holding off due to the volatile nature

balmy condor
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well guides and stuff don't exist

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because well

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its beta

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and like you said

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but there's this

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!sl

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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if you're looking for notes

spark pasture
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appreciate it

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❤️

strange python
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is there weak aura for assassination rogue?

balmy condor
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
strange python
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ty

urban gale
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how do u guys use cooldowns in m+ trash

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do u just pick a mob to treat as a single target

balmy condor
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for a crit build or a haste build

urban gale
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haste

balmy condor
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you vendetta exsang prio

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its basically the same as single target

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but make sure you have CT up before bote

urban gale
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roger that

balmy condor
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spreading garrotes obviously also good

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if you can get a bunch of aoe/cleave ticking, and then bote, it pumps pretty hard

urban gale
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do u usually just triple garrote out of stealth

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assuming there are three targets

balmy condor
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yes, always

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3 garrotes from stealth on 2+ targets

sudden yew
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sometimes it's worth to vanish to garrote 3 other target

balmy condor
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yeah if the mobs live long enough

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that's the giga aoe

urban gale
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ok ty for the info

balmy condor
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3 garrotes into a CT into 3 garrotes into bote is massive

urban gale
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i thought i read something that said bote does like nothing without vendetta

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like you should always hold it

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does that not apply to aoe

balmy condor
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correct

urban gale
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roger that

balmy condor
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bote+vendetta+exsang line ups are incredibly powerful in single target

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because the empowered garrotes from vanish in that case

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are crunched down from ~20 seconds to ~10

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so you essentially get the full 20 second empowered garrote into the full bote

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in aoe with everything ticking, and the garrote spreading on multiple targets

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the bote empowers all 3 garrotes, + all the CT damage

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if there's a big prio in a pack of like 5 for example

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you can 3 garrote from stealth, then vanish 3 garrote, and double on the prio

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exsang that

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and then bote

sudden yew
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i usually do (5+ add) 3x garrote, CT, Vanish, 3x garrote, Vendetta+trinket, exsanguinate, Bote

balmy condor
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yep

fallow otter
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With a rupture in there I hope

balmy condor
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after the second set of garrotes I'm guessing

fallow otter
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Yeh

solar latch
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holy just did a 15 kings rest crimson tempest feels so good compared to outlaw rng

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and i do more damage on st for bosses

rigid eagle
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@solar latch yeah but then u go to shrine/waycrest/seth

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and ur hunter/dh/firemage spikes to 10 trillion dps on a big trash pull

balmy condor
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sethralis is a pretty single target heavy dungeon though

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scary bosses

rigid eagle
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but the conscripts padding tho

balmy condor
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I removed conscript damage from my details I think lmao

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its just useless damge

rigid eagle
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its worthless fluff but man it's so satisfying

balmy condor
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who cares bout conscript pad

rigid eagle
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xD people are legit sooo into farming aoe

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every week, we go into raid, and they're just thirsting for the trash packs b4 hive

toxic timber
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bless shadowlands aoe cap for some classes 😄

balmy condor
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realistically changes nothing

toxic timber
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really?

balmy condor
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you'll just have different classes at the top

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specifically multi dots

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or classes with strong sustained 5-8 target

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in the grand scope of things, changes very little

outer estuary
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i mean as long as rogues keep their utility

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they will always have a decent spot

balmy condor
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rogues have always had a decent spot

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unless they mega fuck up

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rogue will be fine

rigid eagle
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it just sucks ass that on patches like 8.3 we only have our spots bcuz we service our ranged overlords rly well...

solar latch
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the only M+ dungeons i ever do is freehold kings rest and both mechagon ones

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mostly for gear upgrades that never drop

fallow otter
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As sin, I love junkyard :)

rigid eagle
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zap bot op

solar latch
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this

fallow otter
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Lol

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That sin represent

solar latch
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how useful will slice and dice be on sin

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im only really see it benefiting outlaw and sub right now

fallow otter
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Don't get me started

balmy condor
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not very, but the instant damage from poisons is actually kinda big

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aside from that though, worthless

full jungle
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Any good UI's avail? Looking to change mine up since its super cluttered/scattered on stuff

balmy condor
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
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if you're looking for weakauras

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if you're looking for elvui presets, tukui has a ton

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wago should have some too

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wago is generally really good

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or make your own

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thats what I do :)

full jungle
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I was looking at devlins UI but dunno what custom stuff it needs :(

balmy condor
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his weakauras just work out of the box

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not sure what the rest of his ui is

full jungle
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Ah fair, his ui is nice like his WA but requires customtags but he dosnt say which ones

balmy condor
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really?

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that link for devlins weakauras has a link to his elvui

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and also mentions that he uses masque with darkscail

full jungle
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It was somthing for the hp and somthing else it looked like as it wasnt working but dunno which exactly, can get an ss in a lil bit

solar latch
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yup cant go back to outlaw rogue in mythic+ now that i got the haste for ct

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so much damage

balmy condor
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CT is taken in m+ even without haste

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also shouldn't be that big of a damage boost tbh

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most of your damage is garrote/rupture

solar latch
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i dunno im getting 135k damage on pack pulls

balmy condor
solar latch
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top damage is ct for me in the logs

balmy condor
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that's not good

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garrote alone does like 120k on 3 targets

solar latch
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lets check some of my pulls for damage actually then

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yea garrote

balmy condor
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yeah feel free to send some details screenshots

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cause that sounds wrong

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should be garrote way ahead of everything else, then probably rupture

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then CT/envenom

solar latch
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guess i looked at it wrong

balmy condor
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aha

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that looks like what I would expect

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but there's no rupture in there

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that seems sketch

solar latch
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heh on big pulls i forget to rupture

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i got one echoing blades and it gets me full combo points

balmy condor
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with a haste build I find it hard to believe that fan, melee AND the dot from poisons

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are higher than rupture

sharp snow
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gt gt gt ct, fok 3-5, rupture all around maintain ct

balmy condor
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you should get rid of the echoing blade

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rupture all is definitely not the play

solar latch
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well only one piece has echoing

balmy condor
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yeah but its actually awful lmao

solar latch
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is it saw the guide in the pins and the guy is recommending like 1 or 2 echoing

balmy condor
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how much damage overall did EB do

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yeah that's a crit build

sharp snow
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no its not

balmy condor
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he's playing a haste build, that EB is doing nothing

sharp snow
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oh you are talking exclusivly to eb

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sry, mb

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you are right

balmy condor
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all good :P

solar latch
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yea I guess i can swap my piece back to my raid build

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does echoing blades not give combo points on the proc

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i know it crits on the proc

balmy condor
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it does not

solar latch
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damn then i dont see the point

balmy condor
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the proc is just damage

sharp snow
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@solar latch i suggest you sticking with crit if you can, there is not that many raid runs you will be able to do before pre-patch and also your dmg with crit in raid wont be as high as haste but you will be able to do much more on fortified weeks

balmy condor
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the point is that it hits like a fucking truck if you build crit and get 4-5 EB procs on every fan

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but you're stacking haste

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so you're not getting 4-5 EB procs every fan

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you're getting like

solar latch
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just testing out ct on mythic+ im liking the consistency compared to outlaw

balmy condor
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0.7 procs

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and so its doing basically nothing

fallow otter
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Just go full haste build with no EB

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If you already have that gear

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It works fine

solemn turtle
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Why did they remove wound poison in pre patch x.x

balmy condor
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I don't think they removed it

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that seems weird

solar latch
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yea i will just do that if i want to go hard on M+ i would have to buy severe corruption

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but spent my echoes allowance on expedient

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need to focus on clearing mythic before pre patch

umbral rapids
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just testing out ct on mythic+ im liking the consistency compared to outlaw
🤔 how so

balmy condor
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cause roll the bones blows kekw

umbral rapids
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Maybe

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But that’s not what consistency means

balmy condor
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roll the bones is consistently rng

umbral rapids
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ur nitpicking whispy ur smarter than that

balmy condor
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all I'm saying

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is you can fuck off with your bones

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I ain't rollin them

umbral rapids
balmy condor
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except that outlaw is looking more and more like old combat

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and I'm kinda liking that monkaW

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might unironically consider it for a m+ offspec

solar latch
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man fuck roll the bones all my homies hate roll the bones

balmy condor
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@umbral rapids is the only person that can roll on my bones

solar latch
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👀

umbral rapids
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kek

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to be honest once you get to know it rtb is actually not that bad in m+

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Granted it sucks ass in single target

balmy condor
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im pretty hyped for rtb cooldown tbh

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better than tb baseline and alacrity taking its place

umbral rapids
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I need to try it without being infected every 5 minutes

balmy condor
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oh boy 10% haste kekw

low girder
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The worst part is when you hit ss and get no procs for like 8 casts

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Happens with mut too with low crit though, but haste saves us

umbral rapids
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Yeah getting no procs and no lucid procs is the worst i agree

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Sit there just meleeing for 5 seconds cri

low girder
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Better than no crits in your 95% crit window though

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God I hate MA

umbral rapids
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Ha

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I don’t reaaaaally play sin to be fair

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Made a raid build and messed around with it

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It’s so damn fun

low girder
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I know it's super fast now and weird but MA sin sucked ass when you didn't crit in your opener. You just kinda sat around being sad for 2 minutes

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At least exsang is fairly consistent lol

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Mind you it was fairly rare

umbral rapids
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Yeah i only played exsang idk

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@balmy condor won’t alacrity feel nice at the start of xpac ?

balmy condor
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oh yeah feels great

umbral rapids
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Since we’ll have pretty low haste

balmy condor
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its just piss boring

umbral rapids
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Well yeah

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Hard to maintain for sin too

balmy condor
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?

umbral rapids
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In m+ i mean

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You can lose your stacks between pulls etc

balmy condor
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I mean maybe between packs sure

umbral rapids
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Even on a fight like nzoth

balmy condor
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but it shouldn't be too bad

umbral rapids
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Outlaw we save CP between packs to maintain alacrity

balmy condor
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its really similar to outlaw alacrity

umbral rapids
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Yeah you just don’t have a free spender to maintain it

balmy condor
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3 seconds on pull for garrotes

umbral rapids
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It’s gonna suck for outlaw to anyway

balmy condor
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shouldn't make or break it

umbral rapids
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Of course not

shrewd night
#

Just use SND inbetween packs to maintain

balmy condor
#

tru

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run MfD so you can snd between packs

#

true efficiency

steep plover
#

Omg

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I just realised

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We're going to lose ss

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I love ss

balmy condor
#

Lmao

verbal mantle
#

Have to say that first garrote I applied on a mob on beta

#

felt weird kekw

steep plover
#

tinfoil_pepe weird like this

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Or

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Like this

verbal mantle
#

idk i instantly switched to Sub

solar latch
#

i liked sub at the start of legion

#

weapon master was big

shrewd night
#

This guy didnt zul

hidden bay
#

Zulul Clappers

ocean cape
#

kill Zul ? ok recrut 10 rogues

spark sky
#

You could just being any ratty alt rogues to kill zul tbh.

solar latch
#

time to kill zul brb

scarlet sequoia
icy trout
#

I can't get Exsanguinate to sim that much higher than TB in a full expedient setup with high levels of haste. It's like 1-2k higher. Are there any items i might be missing that scale it significantly higher?

silent crescent
#

How can anyone say what you are missing if you dont link your sims or items..

mighty elm
#

Just be psychic or?

elder crescent
#

Anyone have some feels (I know its a bit early to completely tell) about the spot assassination is in for SL? Im getting conflicting info everywhere I look that ill be needing to dust off Sub (Which ive always been meh at).

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There was a wowmeta (Not a totally reliable source by any stretch of the meaning) that had raw damage of assassination kinda high where most other places say its going to be just okay.

vernal shadow
#

@elder crescent from what I’ve seen/read, Assassination will likely be the go to spec for the first tier, utilising the Tiny Toxic Blades legendary. Once we can use 2 legos, things will get interesting

patent topaz
#

at this point pretty much everything is just pulled out of the ass

shrewd night
#

Discussing spec viability ahead of tuning

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@icy trout Reading pins would have netted you this information: > 3) Even at its best with Expedient 24, Exsanguinate and Toxic Blade are within 1-1.5%, so if you don't like Exsanguinate, don't worry about it

elder crescent
#

@vernal shadow Thanks @shrewd night speaking about things as they change leads to understanding. Something my current generation is failing at.

shrewd night
#

I mean, assa has traditionally always had the toolkit that is best for progress. But that doesnt mean much if sub gets tuned to its dfa levels. For what its worth, its worth it to brush off spec knowledge early on whether it be through worldquests or dungeons (regardless of tuning, blizz has a way to fuck shit over 4 weeks into prog).

strong wigeon
#

anyone know the pandemic on crimson tempest?

dire spoke
#

30% like any other pandemic

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(0:

shrewd night
vast forum
#

30% of the new applied dot, which at 6cp is 4.2 seconds

strong wigeon
#

got it

#

thanks

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making weakauras, needed exact numbers, was lazy to calculate

vast forum
#

well, exact numbers only work if you always use it on 6cp

karmic grotto
#

You dont need exact numbers to make a weakaura that includes pandemic timers, do you?

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Fairly sure ive made them with % in mind

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Not for rogue specificly, but if it works for affli dots, it should work for any other pandemic applicable skill

strong wigeon
#

nah, conditions>cooldown>4.2>glow

icy trout
#

@shrewd night Thanks for clarifying. I've perused over all the pins/guides for hours total at this point and there is still unclear/conflicting information. The first guide in the pins simply states that exsang is "stronger" without further details. To me that suggests it's a lot stronger but I remember seeing the 1.5% figure somewhere else too. Either way, thank you.

karmic grotto
#

No but that will end up only showing up correct for a 6cp crimson tempest @strong wigeon you can write a weakaura that does X when said buff/debuff drops below X% of its original duration

shrewd night
#

Its mentioned in the second Koji pin under the list of things. Exsang will never be vastly better than TP, but if you dont want to min-max it wont matter much 🙂

strong wigeon
#

yea thats fine, as long as i know that at 4 seconds, i can hit a 6 cp pandemic, im good

karmic grotto
#

Fair

stark oak
#

Hey all, I’m struggling with aoe dps, 3 or more targets I spam fan of knives, dotting as many with rupture and then envenom, if anyone has mastered this I would appreciate some tactics, I am only 425 ilvl though!

shrewd night
#

If you dont have logs, all we can do is point you towards guides.

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425 us superlow gear tho

stark oak
#

I used to main rogue years ago and now I’m interested in maining rogue in shadowlands, just finding it hard to keep up with aoe in mythic+ dungeons, single target is ok

mellow pier
#

Ur AoE dmg scales with corruption and azerite traits chosen

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Ur ilvl is so low its almost irrelavent to try and find out why

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even at 475+ ilvl it doesnt matter until u have corruption and correct traits

somber bison
#

Dps in m+ feelscryman

half veldt
#

Unless you have a separate set of gear with triple fan traits, Sin will always struggle with aoe when compared to other classes M+

stark oak
#

Ohh ok I understand, I have seen twilight devastation is pretty stupid for dps

mellow pier
#

No rogue spec goes for TD

stark oak
#

Yeah even in legion dungeons my aoe wasn’t the best compared to most classes

half veldt
#

Just make up for it on the boss, thats where we make our money

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You can run MfD to help a bit with trash too if you dont mind changing talents on the fly

stark oak
#

Yeah that’s true, I guess I’ll have to just raise my ilvl and as long as I’m not the only one whose struggling with aoe dps compared to most classes

half veldt
#

I'll find a low target in a pile and MfD envenom, then switch to next low target and again

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Keep refreshing CD on MfD

mellow pier
#

Its almost always better to run Subt

half veldt
#

Subt and MfD arent in the same row

mellow pier
#

Im dumb lol

somber bison
#

Just run triple ss eob and pretend you are a hunter

half veldt
#

lol

mellow pier
#

U cant even pretend cause they will still be 500k ahead of u

somber bison
#

Even then that random 460 mage facerolls his way into triple your damage so np

placid kindle
tulip sandal
#

Just switched back to sin from OL and i have 1 dagger and a 400 dagger

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Plz shoot me

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So many tol dagors i cant see straight

placid kindle
#

just gem em from cara

full jungle
#

Me and cara have a big problem... i do heroic cara's and get 0 daggers.. i have a bunch of chests and boots tho...

burnt star
#

Cara dagger doesnr exist :)

tulip sandal
#

LOL

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i would take any dagger over this wet noodle

burnt star
#

Quick question, does exp build and exsanguinate works well for m+

strange python
#

it works yes

placid kindle
#

yeah it does

burnt star
#

is it "better" then the crit build

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or similar

strange python
#

good enough for like 25:s iirc

placid kindle
#

its not friendly with pug tanks tho xd

burnt star
#

working on m+ build, not sure if i should mass buy exp

#

new rogue..

#

so limited on echoes for now

half veldt
#

By the time you farm enough they could be gone

#

Unfortunate

#

Prepatch is on PTR right now

burnt star
#

ya might wait on next rotation

placid kindle
#

any1 plays with 87% baseline haste as sin in raid?

#

how does it feel

half veldt
#

No I mean, all corruptions will be gone

burnt star
#

other question : on 4-5 ++ trash.. do u just spam fok. or do u apply finisher whenever ur at 4-5 combo? and if finisher, do u just spam envenom on different target or rupture?

half veldt
#

open garrote on 3, spread rupture, fan, I run MfD to finish low targets

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you can almost spam 5pt finishers if you do it right with MfD

burnt star
#

ok so u apply rupture after each fan

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on different target

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u dont just spam fan

half veldt
#

put up as many as you can that you will get reasonable ticks on, then switch to hitting the lower target with Marked for Death envenoms

#

you'll get a good feel for it after a few times

burnt star
#

thx for the input 😉

half veldt
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You can spam fan, but its subpar and lazy

burnt star
#

didnt want to spam fan, was hoping it wasnt the go

half veldt
#

unless you run a set of azerite with x3 fan trait

burnt star
#

as in, ignoring your finisher completly

harsh anchor
#

Why not stack EB, and after 3 SS, put 1 rupture up, CT then blood into fok spam for big spam dam

tulip sandal
#

is MFD not overkill FoK is going to give you full combo anyway?

half veldt
#

when the pile starts getting low enough that you dont get good CPs from fan

#

CT is a must also, left that out. Still sippin my coffee

carmine dawn
#

can someone tell me why my macro isn't casting BOTE?
"/cast Vendetta
/use 13
/cast Blood of the Enemy(Azerite Essence)"

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ive also tried /use. not workin either

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and that is a shift click from my spellbook

strange python
#

try Heart Essence

tulip sandal
#

what does CT stand for

carmine dawn
#

already did

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oh you mean "Heart Essence"

#

?

strange python
#

yes

somber bison
#

You pressing that once ?

carmine dawn
#

nope, and yep

half veldt
#

isnt that GCD locked?

strange python
#

ye

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gcd then

#

xd

carmine dawn
#

oh dumb me

#

well

somber bison
#

So press it twice

carmine dawn
#

spamming it

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not working

half veldt
#

/castsequence vendetta, xxxx (insert essence here)

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hit it twice

somber bison
trim rain
#

for nzoth prog when were you guys using vendetta? my guild comp isnt too great and rn im using it on the 2nd basher to have it for when we leave psychus one. before i using it on pull for 1st basher and then on psychus at ~6 stacks

carmine dawn
#

YUP

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/castsequence Vendetta, Blood of the Enemy(Azerite Essence)
/use 13

#

thanks

somber bison
#

Idealy you want it each time for nzoth

mellow pier
#

@trim rain 1st basher, nzoth, nzoth, either secret phase or wait for last phase

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@carmine dawn why do u want those 2 right after each other?

burnt star
#

do u guys play vigor or deeper stratagem in m+?

half veldt
#

#showtooltip Vendetta
/castsequence Reset=90, Vendetta, Heart Essence
/use [insert your trincket]

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you can copy paste that for the most part if you didnt get it to work @carmine dawn

carmine dawn
#

am i not supposed to use cooldowns together?

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@burnt star vigor im p sure.

#

but im a yellow name dont trust me

somber bison
#

What do these colors mean anyway

carmine dawn
#

main spec

#

usually

strange python
#

u use blood after exsang

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and u use mut after vendetta in opener

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@carmine dawn

carmine dawn
#

crit stack build tho

strange python
#

oh

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mb 🙂

somber bison
#

So just have max cp before you press that and its all good

carmine dawn
#

wait can i just use breath

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pls tell me proper breath usage is BIS

somber bison
#

Depends on what boss

carmine dawn
#

M+

shrewd night
#

Idealy you want it each time for nzoth
Or psychus 1 amirite chucky kekw

somber bison
#

Might work aim it

#

Always psychus. Must look good on skada

placid kindle
#

any1 simmed 2x gushi on 485 weap/rest r3 exp so far?

dire spoke
#

results may vary for any toon but full exp3 with an honedmind seems best, like our guide suggested

arctic walrus
#

you're the first to think about it

burnt star
#

at 2 mob. mutilate or fok?

#

with 2/3 eb

cobalt pelican
#

fok unless you specifically care about single target damage on one of them

burnt star
#

CT, use it on ST or not?

harsh anchor
#

if you got the facilities for that

red plaza
fading wigeon
#

@burnt star there is a really good guide in the pins. It answers the question in a lot of detail.

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It helped me a lot.

burnt star
#

i read it

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but it didnt explain the specific question i was wondering.. or i didnt understand it the way it was written

shrewd night
#

I would think the guide is selfexplanatory with how it concludes CT is a option over PB, and how it becomes just another bleed to keep up. But please let us know what is confusing so we can take it up with the author smilers

normal olive
#

Got the Haste proc ring with socket

burnt star
#

not to sound like a jerk, but that took u a lot more time and effort then to ignore or write a simple yes or no

#

not looking to waste people time was a legit question and english isnt my first language

somber bison
#

It really depends on your gear @burnt star

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At high enough haste ct will sim a bit better then pb. You will use it on st then

outer lotus
#

do you play around clockwork heart at all? like maybe postpone a exsanguinate a couple seconds for it or anything

somber bison
#

If thats your last exang in the fight i assume you do

fleet anchor
#

CT you should basically always use on ST if you have CT nowadays

#

But as to if CT is better on ST than PB, that depends on your Haste

#

Just have to sim it

burnt star
#

CT you should basically always use on ST if you have CT nowadays
@fleet anchor thx thats all i wantedto know

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i was wondering for m+

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usage

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in exemple boss

fleet anchor
#

But due to the scaling on CT in general currently, if you take the talent you should use it on ST regardless of Haste generally. It's a bit stronger now than it used to be.

burnt star
#

i didnt want to know if go ct or pb

harsh anchor
somber bison
outer lotus
#

So how do i decide whether i go CWH? Whats a good kill timer for it?

arctic venture
#

hello, guys im now really lost about optmize my char, im not using right the simc I guess. Someone coud please help me up to find the best gear, and corruption?

#

guys?

rancid pier
#

does anyone know what the pandemic window is for crimson tempest

hybrid harness
#

30% of baseline duration

#

I think?

swift timber
#

we went over this a few hours ago

#

30% of duration which is 4.2 seconds for a 6 cp ct

rancid pier
#

thanks

runic kiln
#

i seem to keep running into an issue after my first exsang that im sitting on max CP and max energy with ~1.5 seconds left on the exsang'd rupture and exsang'd CT. What's the protocol at that point? Wait out the global+overcap energy to refresh Rupture after it expires? Overwrite the CT and then rebuild to 5/6 for another rupture with ~2 seconds of Rupture downtime?

balmy condor
#

Envenom

runic kiln
#

so just deal with having a bit of downtime on rupture

balmy condor
#

Yeah but it sounds like somethings going wrong if you’re hitting that

runic kiln
#

really? I hit it every single fight

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after the opener'd exsang

balmy condor
#

I only have that happen with 5cp ruptures

red plaza
#

@outer lotus
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/arGVeaCFa6jXa8aQZn1sJk 3minute, ~1k dps loss for BBI
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jMuw2L7iweSwRPpa4gLm8Q 5 mintute, ~50dps loss for BBI
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q5Cv6gLCPEKGcKr4wtuduo 10 minute (nzoth), ~1k dps gain for BBI

Long way of saying 3minute fights (Wrath, Shad, Maut, etc) go with CWH for more consistent pulls

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outer lotus
#

so the advantage is really mainly in the fact that you get a guaranteed stat proc in your opener, ty

balmy condor
#

Yes

swift timber
#

what are the lines I have to put in sim to disable fight variance

balmy condor
#

vary_combat_length="0"

swift timber
#

tyty

balmy condor
#

Npnp

jovial spear
#

How much corruption are you guys currently raiding with? 40+ or below?

balmy condor
#

Under 60 for most of it

#

But you should go under 40 if your healers are struggling on progression

jovial spear
#

aight, thanks 🙂

balmy condor
#

Np

crimson palm
#

79

balmy condor
normal olive
#

I got the ring Whispyr

balmy condor
dire spoke
#

Oh boy thanks for mentioning it I actually buy two exp2

#

for ilgy and nzoth inzSpeziell otherwise no heart buff

placid dawn
#

is torment good for m+=

#

?

balmy condor
#

It’s okay

#

Not great

placid dawn
#

is vita better?

#

i have vita jar and harlans (all 475)

void pecan
#

plume/dice/spyglass

placid dawn
#

im using jar and harlans for now

balmy condor
#

Harlans probably better with a crit build

#

Jar is also not great

#

Spyglass is huge

#

Plumage is pretty good

placid dawn
#

:/ no spyglass sadly

balmy condor
#

With a haste build you would go vita plum

#

With a crit build you’d go spyglass plum

placid dawn
#

Is the haste build actually good?

#

you would go CT right?

balmy condor
#

It works

#

You always go CT

#

Unless you’re running like a tyran week with a ttk on a crit build

placid dawn
#

right now i have 3x SS 1x EB and 2X HOD

balmy condor
#

CT for sure

placid dawn
#

but have mostly haste corruption ebcause of raids

balmy condor
#

In most dungeons

#

If you have haste corruptions get rid of the EB

arctic venture
#

humm.

placid dawn
#

I was thinking one EB would be ok because I will spam FoK anyway

balmy condor
#

Yeah but it’s worse than most things you can get on there instead

#

Without crit, EB is kinda really bad

placid dawn
#

I have 1 crit amp, have 36% crit currently

balmy condor
#

Eh then maybe

#

But idk

#

Still questionable

placid dawn
#

mmm could be

#

ill try out without EB

#

thanks

scarlet sequoia
placid dawn
#

So, with haste build what essence do i use? 😐

void pecan
#

All of them.

placid dawn
#

cool

void pecan
#

Real tho

#

bote beam breath and void

misty light
#

how much haste do you need for CT to outperform TB on single target?

void pecan
#

or CLF breath beam bote. Sim tho to find out what's best for your stats

scarlet sequoia
#

3583

vital haven
#

ganandorf?

void pecan
#

NEGATIVE

#

he's my gross cousin.

balmy condor
#

@misty light ~60%, but it varies so just keep simming

placid dawn
#

thanks for the help guys

arctic venture
#

bleeding dps changes that much ?

balmy condor
#

Wdym

strange python
#

which clockwork heart should i go for first?

balmy condor
#

shoulders usually

#

mythic cara chest is better

strange python
#

ok thanks!

#

got eb shoulders unlucky

split maple
#

There a solid WA for tracking subterfuge/exsang empowered bleeds?

balmy condor
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
split maple
#

Yeah I've been using Afenar for awhile but it doesn't show anything different when bleeds are under sub or exsang. RIP. Do the others? Might swap.

balmy condor
#

ye I mizerok for sure

#

lokkek idk

#

I have my own as well if you aren't happy with any of those

split maple
#

I'll give em a run. Thanks

placid dawn
#

How does the haste build compare to crit build in m+?

balmy condor
#

haste does more single target, crit does more aoe

#

haste also does better in junk cause of zap bots

lean marten
#

except when haste does more cleave

balmy condor
#

with 3x EB the cleave is actually pretty comparable from my experience

#

2 target probably not

#

but 3-4 is pretty good

#

I don't have any data to back that up, but I don't think its actually that omegalul

lean marten
#

should have a PSA pin that defines the difference between ST, cleave, and AoE

balmy condor
#

what is cleave to you

lean marten
#

2-4 target

balmy condor
#

cleave to me is 2-4 target

placid dawn
#

but say, overall damage 😉 will I look like a peasant on the meters for using haste build?

balmy condor
#

okay then ye

#

no you'll be fine

#

you'll probably be behind on stuff like waycrest/shrine

placid dawn
#

Cause I really don't want to farm severs and strikethrough lol

balmy condor
#

but you'll pump in KR/WS/JY

#

also if you're not pushing anything higher than like a 23-24

#

won't really make too big of a difference imo

#

both are fine

placid dawn
#

cool, thanks 🙂

#

I need bote rank 3 though right?

balmy condor
#

bote rank 3 is pretty big yeah

placid dawn
#

really dont want to farm that shit

#

:/

balmy condor
#

could use breath but haste build breath major

#

just run iris imo

placid dawn
#

yea, was about to ask

balmy condor
#

the haste decreases the cast time too

#

so it'll be okay

placid dawn
#

but bote will also pump on bosses

balmy condor
#

ye

#

you wouldn't use iris on bosses

placid dawn
#

yea, that sucks

balmy condor
#

so anything will pump more than iris XD

placid dawn
#

ill just compromise and go bote rank 2 lol

balmy condor
#

wouldn't suggest that

#

iris 3 gonna be more overall

drifting hare
#

hey, any tips what Covenant will be "best" for pve rogues yet?

#

they all sound pretty nice, except for kyrian somehow

strange python
#

as far as I know necrolords are overtuned atm

drifting hare
#

atm is good. that means it could change if my pick is too late

drifting cloud
#

we dont even have xpac release date

cobalt pelican
#

today

balmy condor
placid dawn
#

should I take an EB to freehold even with haste build?

balmy condor
#

no

#

don't take EB with a haste build

tranquil stirrup
#

In Nzoth Heroic Fight, is 30k dps overall too low for 460iLVL ?

#

i`m doing fine in all the other fights, like 60-70k, but nzoth is a pain ...

balmy condor
#

yeah that's pretty low

tranquil stirrup
#

-.-

#

I should probably check some assasion Nzoth videos or smth

placid dawn
#

amke sure those bois arent padding use cds on psychus

balmy condor
#

I would suggest logs

tranquil stirrup
balmy condor
#

padding cds on psychus shouldn't have an impact on his damage

tranquil stirrup
#

this is me

#

I will try wowanalyzer next time

balmy condor
#

you should purify those shoes

tranquil stirrup
#

okey will do

balmy condor
#

that's just 45 corruption for 0 damage

tranquil stirrup
#

i have 3 raank3 Haste corruptions

#

but affraid to use them

#

on low geart

#

also, probably Breath of the Dying mayor should be better i think for me in Nzoth

#

Which weapon should i Farm from M+ , if i want to go the Haste build ?

#

The dagger from Kings rest with Haste Mastery

#

sims worse then my current ones which are low iLVL

balmy condor
#

Mythic cara

#

in theory

#

With a haste build cara daggers

#

But really anything with hast should be okay

tranquil stirrup
#

Thats the ideal scenaario. In my case i was hoping for Heroic CAra

#

weapons

#

but

strange python
#

I just got one of those today whispyr 🙂

balmy condor
#

Like seriously anything with haste

tranquil stirrup
#

i just got benched from Heroic runs, cuz i did shit dps when we killen H Nzoth

#

-.-

strange python
#

whispyr not congratulating me FeelsSadMan

balmy condor
#

Wait what

#

You got a what

strange python
#

Cara dagger

balmy condor
#

Oh sick!

strange python
#

I used my glimpse on it

red jacinth
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

You no longer get congratz

strange python
#

no but srsly

balmy condor
#

Did you really

strange python
#

I had exp and socket rdy for it

#

no lol

#

Imagine

balmy condor
#

I was prepared for a screenshot with glimpse on a cara dagger

strange python
loud light
#

The dagger from Kings rest with Haste Mastery
sims worse then my current ones which are low iLVL
@tranquil stirrup this sounds like misconfigured weapon enchants or something, if you're saying a 465 is simming worse than what you've got

strange python
#

@balmy condor

balmy condor
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Oh it sims lower? Yeah you’re simming it wrong probably

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Idk not much there

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The irontide is a little rip

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But you mentioned that

strange python
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ye ik

balmy condor
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And the trinket

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And the cara dagger

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So

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Idk, looks good

strange python
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I guess farm some sockets

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and mby skitra bracers

loud light
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you're on the final frontier

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grind islands for neck levels

strange python
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hell no

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did that on release

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8.3 release

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my crit is giga low

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like 28% 😦

balmy condor
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Unplayable

strange python
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XD

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should prob sim gems sometime

loud light
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amazing you can even get enough CPs to put up ruptures

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with that crit

strange python
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TBH

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TOday

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it was alot of CTS

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instead of ruptures after vend mut

drifting hare
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may someone check my rogues SimC input via raidbot? maybe he finds something I can still improve

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still learning to sim somehow

balmy condor
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When I get back to my pc sure

arctic walrus
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do you know what to do with the simc string to get a top gear sim or you can't do that

balmy condor
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I got it vel :)

drifting hare
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no I know that, but I'm never sure if I do the maximum I could

balmy condor
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Sending a link after you imported allows people to use that input

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Avoids downloading the txt file

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Just easier

drifting hare
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y sure

waxen field
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is it worth throwing knife to get 6cp in any situation ?

balmy condor
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No

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Only throw knife when you can’t get in range

waxen field
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okok tyty

tranquil stirrup
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noob question, but if I have done a Raid run , then searching my character within wowAnalyzer , logs will always be there ? Or do i need to register my character or smth ?

balmy condor
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If the run is logged, and public, it’ll be there

tranquil stirrup
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oh, someone needs to log it

balmy condor
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Wowanalyzer is pretty scuffed though

tranquil stirrup
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is there a better way ?

balmy condor
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Reading them directly

tranquil stirrup
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oh,

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so , i should create an accountin warcraftlogs and log myself each time, and check those logs , I understand that correctly ?

balmy condor
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You don’t need to log in

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But if you want to log yourself

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Then you need to

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If you’re in a guild run or something, where someone else runs the logs

tranquil stirrup
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I see

balmy condor
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You can just look yourself up or grab the link

tranquil stirrup
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aatleast 1 person needs to log

balmy condor
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Ye

tranquil stirrup
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Thank you @balmy condor :)))

balmy condor
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Np

molten mesa
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is it okay to refresh my bleeds if i know theyre going to fall off during toxic blade

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since i think im not supposed to refresh bleeds during tb

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refresh them pre pandemic*

balmy condor
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I think clipping it a couple seconds is fine

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but you should avoid it

molten mesa
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okay ty

vast forum
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refresh rupture if <9 sec when TB is coming off CD

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don't refresh garrote outside of pandemic

strange python
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
shut garnet
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@ any high cara parsers, would it be dumb to vanish g g g vendetta blood etc during intermission on a group of 3 wall tumors

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apparently that roughly times so you get vendetta back on hero (assuming hero isnt at the start and is where it usually was during prog or w.e)

balmy condor
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yeah vanish 3 gar on tumors is solid

shut garnet
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got like a 6:13 killtimer today that made me miss basically a full vendetta cuz the boss died right as it came up

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got me thinking maybe going ham on cysts wasnt such a bad idea

strange python
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when I vanish on cysts our tank gets TD proc 😠

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growths*

shut garnet
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thats why you cloak sprint ahead of ur group full bigdick

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then u get 3 mindbombs back to back and cry

strange python
chilly marsh
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what is te command to add stats for a simulation ?

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i want to sim with a extra 200 haste for example

balmy condor
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that's what stat weights does

chilly marsh
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i knwo but i needed it for some advanced sim im doing

opaque tree
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So I have all Expedient rank 3 with one Honed Mind rank 3. I was going off ravenholdt. I'm seeing some rogues with all expedients, no honed mind. Is the site no updated?

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I've been simming my character, but it doesn't seem to work when I purify something to change the corruptions

hidden bay
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Currently full expedient3 is the best till we are able to replace one of em for honed mind

balmy condor
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idk what the exact line would be

hidden bay
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Make sure to hit copy and purify

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And replace gems/enchants

opaque tree
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I mean yeah, I have 7 Expedients, rank 3. 1 Honed Mind rank 3. Thought that was the way to go.

fallow otter
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Nah

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Exp is better use of corruption

opaque tree
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seeing a lot of rogues with just all 8 Expedients

balmy condor
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yes

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we don't have the res for the full send

opaque tree
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okay so Ravenholdt is wrong then, lol

balmy condor
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no

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ravenholdt is right