He was intimidated by my skitra logs
#assassination
balmy condor
His logs are fine
balmy condor
Aight man I was trying to help you out
balmy condor
But if you wreck yourself like that
shrewd night
Ok, so this is what Im in for
balmy condor
And also don’t look at Skitra add damage
uncut schooner
The drest wipes are the scary logs I wouldn't look at any of those.
I had no idea what I was doing.
red pagoda
it's so annoying that haunting shadows pulls you out of stealth in visions
shrewd night
Drest? Just pop cds on the tendies when they have the tank debuff
uncut schooner
Me: "Please review my logs." Also me: "Don't look at 95% of them."
shrewd night
Shoulda seen me this week whisp
"I cant heal koffing, where the fuck is he"
"Im at the tendie we are supposed to slam"
"No you arent."
"Oh.. No Im not."
drifting cloud
still a tendie so it counts
balmy condor
uncut schooner
balmy condor
At least that guy isn’t padding on cara right lul
shrewd night
I would have lived if I had leeching poison tbh
shrewd night
I want prenerf cheat death 
balmy condor
You need that crutch in your life?
verbal mantle
balmy condor
Ye except it don’t do that 90% of the time
uncut schooner
Tbh I was ready to cry at the number of times people didn't pop defensives on the first large entropic in drest
"Why are we wiping?"
"I think its the slams from the tentacles"
uncut schooner
"No, no, its the maws"
"Nah its throes of agony"
^ Literally us on drest progress
shrewd night
tbh
shrewd night
first week on drest we wiped a fuckton because melee were greeding orbs and trying to nuke boss when they should have been nuking tendies
solar latch
yea drest is so bad
uncut schooner
I mean, I don't know the actual tactic but I think we staggered the add kills wrong.
solar latch
got it down to 34% last week
uncut schooner
2nd wave of adds drop and we're killing 1 tentacle then 1 maw close together
So we get fked by the entropic + maws all going ham.
shrewd night
Should be fine as long as ranged kill what they are supposed to without being overrun ig
uncut schooner
Ok good, whisp is sleeping now.
fleet harness
Yo guys, who here is running the full haste build? Could you tell me your stats percentages please?
shrewd night
What are you intending to do with that info? What actual info does it give you?
rough yarrow
All this discod taught me is to have 34% crit
shrewd night
fleet harness
To understand if my Haste percentage is going in the right direction or not.
quasi patrol
I am at 79% haste. Idk how that's supposed to help but there you go.
steel ridge
most of us are haste builders, 70% upwards its were its at
wary kelp
shrewd night
To understand if my Haste percentage is going in the right direction or not.
Is your haste percentage going upwards?
Yes? Cool, its in the right direction.
dire spoke
oak hedge
I know the right answer is to just sim it. Done that many times but still I dont know why is 465 galecaller simming better than 475 vita with socket, and 475 spyglass with socket
steel ridge
thats because galecallers is on demand burst for exsanguinate which snapshots the haste
oak hedge
Thought so
steel ridge
vita is not guaranteed to be up for exsanguinate
oak hedge
I was just hoping vita would outperform so I dont have to think about the snapshoting 😄
shrewd night
You can still choose to use vita because its easier, but it wont be better.
low girder
Vita has a party buff that will not show up in a sim
shrewd night
wdym wat
steel ridge
if you run plumage, you cant run vita, so its a mute point for me.
dire spoke
I rather would have thought sim tells to drop spyglass
cold coral
it should
dire spoke
and put a crit socket or pick bote minor if its not in major
Or w/e
but mine's only 465 so what do I know
maybe his crit is just that low 
if youre in that weird place the Sim is legit ofc
oak hedge
sim is taking a year
dire spoke
Yeah
dire spoke
doing all the sockets and enchants takes an hour with 14m iterations
fallow otter
@crimson palm our route basically the same, similar soaks
shrewd night
oak hedge
yeah i am just simming the essences
shrewd night
Primary difference is sim time, simming 5 minutes is a little weird this late
Kinda surprised formless isnt worth more for you
shrewd night
Just over a 100 dps
dire spoke
Yeah its okay to optimize for that
oak hedge
and some weekly M farm
and the bosses where it matters I play in outlul (carapace/nzoth)
tropic ocean
lol
uneven summit
1x Nothing Personal is not worth in bleed build?
shrewd night
Depends on the contendor. In most cases, no.
uneven summit
aight
severe stump
Hey I was curious on some options to run for essences. Im not farming PVP for blood of the enemy or rank 3 CoS. (I got rank 2) so what essences would be good for like M+? I run Meme beam major, BoD, CoF and lucid dreams minors. Its mostly crucible of flame Im curious about, i dont know what I should replace it with to be better.Any suggestions?
muted ridge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/parZpfQoR5GtBeJzFxczoY Why is farming Sockets so annoying 
dire spoke
you sure mastery on weapon sims lower than haste?
muted ridge
Askin me?
dire spoke
ye ye
muted ridge
No fucking clue, will sim it for you
muted ridge
Change helm azerites to Shrouded
dire spoke
haste is nice and dandy n all but at some point you also want that supporter stats
thin gate
@muted ridge oh thanks i totally forgot looool
dire spoke
there you go
muted ridge
+119, doesnt change much
dire spoke
dire spoke
at some point you just can have small upgrades
muted ridge
iirc, my best setup is all mastery gems + Versa enchants on rings
thin gate
but if u add +119 10 times up
it may have some impact again
like 0.5% dps increase with ur setup
fallow otter
at this point doesn't dice or spyglass beat vita?
dire spoke
you will never see big +numbers with top-end gear minmaxing
thin gate
i saw the #1 logs guy he played vita wrathion trinket
with 9 x expedient
somehow weird
thin gate
all about the stat weights aight?
muted ridge
ahm, dont write in shortcuts, i dont know all those names. Just tell me what trinkets I should sim
muted ridge
Wait Racing Pulse?
fallow otter
honedmind and racingpulse
shrewd night
not so weird
muted ridge
why the fuck would I sim Racing
fallow otter
try it lol
muted ridge
1x?
fallow otter
dice and racing pulse dropping vita is decent
muted ridge
aight
thin gate
isnt Vita + honed mind > Racing pulse Dice
fallow otter
depends on gear and whether you got once in your chest
muted ridge
It is but this guy wants sim, im giving it to him
thin gate
guys im literally fcked... i started playing BFA in 8.3 wanted to hit top logs, but my guild is expending the Nzoth ID for progress 😦
cant get my setup....
460 vita... 475 daggers...
fallow otter
Harlan's Loaded Dice (475)
trinket1=,id=155881,bonus_id=6536/6515/1647/4786,context=35
from my simc
muted ridge
you shouldve sent this earlier xd
shrewd night
i started playing BFA in 8.3 wanted to hit top logs,
thin gate
@koffing everything is possible if u grind
fallow otter
yeh see 🙂
muted ridge
@shut garnet Check this out
fleet harness
Thanks @steel ridge for the response.
muted ridge
@fallow otter yeah, not gonna farm 475 Dice and Racing 3
fallow otter
Dead-Eye Spyglass (475)
trinket1=,id=159623,gem_id=168639,bonus_id=6536/4802/6513/1647/4786,context=35
if u wanted to test also
thin gate
i dont want to be a guild hoppin bitch...
fleet harness
@shrewd night No point having a chat for questions if your going to be a melt and mock someone for asking. Sort it out.
shrewd night
@fleet harness Ask questions that gives you legitimate answers to help your gearing issues then 
fallow otter
@muted ridge i got both in chest... never one single good corruption but gcb, spyglass and dice in chest.
thats why i simmed
fleet harness
Who are you to determine a legitimate question. You prick lol
fallow otter
interesting tho hey
crimson palm
@shrewd night shame on you for mocking someone asking stupid questions
muted ridge
@fallow otter I got 475 spy with socket also
crimson palm
@fleet harness I'd ping and ask raz
shrewd night
Idk guy, but stats and gear is highly individual and doesnt give you anything to work with. There is so much rng in the game to where what methods rogues are using doesnt really mean shit for anyone else.
But keep doing you, callum
fleet harness
Will do kid. 🙂
thin gate
any1 here playing LOL EUW?
shrewd night
thin gate
in offtopic there will be this weirdo outlaw and sub rogues...
fallow otter
well after 1 vision
ive got boredom brain damage already
how much is a run 7.5k right?
muted ridge
I mean, I already could have all sockets, but shit is just so boring to do
shrewd night
hemo wat ur stat % pls
crimson palm
69
shrewd night
nice
muted ridge
nice
thin gate
noice
crimson palm
thin gate
everyone liked that.
fallow otter
shoulda written it in purple for maximum points
thin gate
guys, i heard that even when u play flat stat increase with % corruptions u should use ILVL>Stats
dire spoke
reset day brings out the weird
thin gate
is that right?
shrewd night
@dire spoke wdym every day is weird in here
fallow otter
prety safe rule
muted ridge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ducDgQSoRT3R8fj2ZjqFL5 @fallow otter all gems + enchants
fallow otter
except the gcb
fallow otter
ohhh
dire spoke
why do you keep simming when you don't change anything 
fallow otter
vers lol
thin gate
its Fun
dire spoke
thin gate
the healers in my guild would kill me if i would show up with 72 corruption lol
fallow otter
max cloak
thin gate
where we get our 100% crit mantle back
what is gonna be the max cloak actually?
135?
fallow otter
125+breath
fallow otter
there is only so many times i can mouse over those rings @muted ridge
thin gate
we just gonna play mastery from all sources and Mastery proc azerite traits
fallow otter
shrewd night
just spec mantle and MA, then pop blood.
muted ridge
thin gate
maths
thin gate
do math not meth lel
fallow otter
you guys all prepared to die to boss mechanics when we raid as sub and step constantly
thin gate
lel
fallow otter
thin gate
who gonna play sub in raid i thought sub is gonna be the M+ machine
havnt played beta tho but i heard hes just heavy cleave op af
shrewd night
I cant wrap my head around sub, so Im still remaining sin/law
fallow otter
we dont really know what specs are decent yet
muted ridge
Imagine all those high ass sims when prepatch hits
muted ridge
I think i sim 85k without corruption
thin gate
85k without corruption is alot lel
muted ridge
last time I checked
shrewd night
Just waiting for that new 'post nerf IV' tab on logs
dire spoke
hard again
thin gate
in my opinion assas should get like 4 more poisons and 2 more bleedings passive
muted ridge
@fallow otter https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bRpGY2B7dPkv6xTugWwD7Y here is 3min for Spyglass. with current fights being short af. ye
royal lantern
why do people allready act like SPEC X IS GONNA BE THE BEST lol
thin gate
and carry the raid solo
royal lantern
ye ofc
thin gate
nah assa top 3 melee
royal lantern
1 of the most consistent melee dps classes ingame is 100%gonna be bad
fallow otter
assa top 3 rogue spec EASY
muted ridge
feral > assa
royal lantern
there is a pretty high chance it just ends up with assa beeing the go-too for raiding,sub for some fights, outlaw for heavy aoe
thin gate
or arms for pvp m+ raid
fallow otter
meanwhile i might be aff
fallow otter
better not (not afaik)
shrewd night
Think its still only feral and exsang that works for snapshotting
anything else would be a major step in the opposite 'casual friendly' direction blizz has taken the game
thin gate
yeah... "casual friendly" lets remove titan forged
lets add 200 hours of grinding echoes
royal lantern
that shit doesnt matter for the majority of people
why the hell does nobody understand that lol
shrewd night
mentions shit only the top end is 'forced' to do
casual friendly direction btw
fallow otter
i couldnt disagree more @thin gate
shrewd night
thin gate
@fallow otter with the point that it was nice?
fallow otter
that it existed
it doesn't feel good to be clearing top tier content and some kid in LFR gets the same item
thin gate
but he will never peform as good as u
real bay
TF was ok when ilvl was capped like in MOP
whatever it was called warforged back then or thunderforged
fallow otter
mythic got shafted with titanforge because it cant titanforge... so.. it sucked
real bay
just get it ez
sullen pagoda
what do u care about what some lfr kid has its not like its going to compete with mythic raiders in any way
shrewd night
I mean, the actual guy, he got inkpod, coral and axe the first week in EP lmao
fallow otter
its just my opinion that if you clear higher tier content then you should be rewarded
like carapace+nzoth, i think thats perfect
but thats just my 2c
shrewd night
I dont mind catchup mechanics gearwise, I just think it should be based on something else than just luck.
royal lantern
^
fallow otter
it also means that the hardcores have to do all the tiers of content just for the chance of titanforge... it was shit
sullen pagoda
personally i never really cared what some casual gets its not affecting me in any way, i had problem with TF making trinkets and tier slots from previous tiers exceptionally strong in current one
the most u ever did for tf was hc not all tiers lmao
royal lantern
sockets tf procs where worse then ilvl, just saying 🙂
shrewd night
Badge of justice, the best catchup mechanic of all time, prove me wrong.
fallow otter
the most u ever did for tf was hc not all tiers lmao
@sullen pagoda not some of my hardcore guildies but yeh thats my level of effort true
royal lantern
i mean
benthic WAS a cool idea
but OF COURSE blizzard had too put additonal effects on the gear
sullen pagoda
if someone wants to waste their time they will find a way TF or not lmao
royal lantern
and screw up the entire system
fallow otter
execution was total shit
sullen pagoda
its how much they value time of their life
shrewd night
Benthic was amazing, if it couldnt roll with sockets.
royal lantern
instead of just letting it be normal gear you could upgrade up too normal raid lvl
shrewd night
Actually, I take that back
Badge of justice was shit compared to the legion board quests
You had to unlock the difficulty levels with bosskills, and it was rando roll from all bosses
royal lantern
the board quest was supposed too be catchup?
i saw it as a random bonus piece you got every ~2weeks
shrewd night
It was free gear, appropriate to your gear level. With default being normal
So one could say it was kinda catchuppy
If all you usually have access to was heroic gear, you could pug the first M bosses over idk
eight weeks
and then have access to mythic gear.
Way better than titanschmorged
vagrant plover
shrewd night
Plume/GCB
hidden bay
Galecallers. Haters will say plumage but they are dumb 
untold mortar
dice+gcb seems best in fights longer than 2 mins
silent crescent
Dice sims higher than an actual haste trinket?
silent crescent
You're trolling if you are passing on vita bc of -88 dps
It boosts your raid man
vast forum
also, sim other gems
haste stops being your best stat after a while
so if you add some crit gems, vita will gain in value again
untold mortar
yea i know, i sim with diff gems and enchs.
vast forum
also, sim blood minor
civic hatch
@strange python do you have 34% crit
@crimson palm is this something w should be aiming for?
strange python
yes
civic hatch
Why’s that?
strange python
u get 3cp mut if u have 34% crit
crimson palm
@shrewd night is the expert on the topic
crimson palm
No need to be modest now
dire spoke
silent crescent
dire spoke
isn't the key actually to have around 50% when it matters ? when you look at the math for example
35% crit-value
45.50% chance one-hand crit
12.25% chance two-hands crit
42.25% chance no crit
vs
60% crit-value
48% chance one-hand crit
36% chance two-hands crit
16% chance no crit
it puts us in a place we were in legion when we wanted 42-44% idle to stack up to 50% with the EyeOfCommand trinket
or was this MAss Mantle exclusive
acoustic isle
Hey guys! For assass raid single target fights, would u guys point me in the right direction about stats req, talent build, essences and azerite traits?
dire spoke
stats req, talent build, essences and azerite traits?
Have you read the guides in the pinned messages of this channel?
dire spoke
Come back with questions after anytime
arctic walrus
nice work zemp 
acoustic isle
Which one of them would be the accurate one?
I entered one of them but it was from january
is that still usable?
arctic walrus
they're all up to date otherwise they wouldn't be recommended
dire spoke
wowhead and ravenholdt are covering more general-ish,
the googledoc is more of an optimizing endgame/end of expansion state of assassination thingy
in my opinion
but also what vel said
arctic walrus
icy veins and wowhead have a little more details explaining the choices while ravenholdt is more cut and dry
also even if it's from January nothing has changed or needed updating from the start of the patch
acoustic isle
gotcha
thank u so much
im just trying to get invited to mythic raiding with my rogue, but outlaw seems lower than ass ass
so im just trying to get an ass ass single target build
tropic ocean
@dire spoke i don't think theres a breakpoint
its simply (even if that answer sometimes is annoying) to sim to get the avg of when your stat is at the avg max
especially for crit where more stat naturally gets worse unless you have some interaction to it, like cold steel hot blood on fury warrior but even there it has natural diminishing returns
fading walrus
so shrouded suffocation adds 2 combo points from stealth but does the dmg increase from it works on the normal garrot too ?
cobalt pelican
no
dire spoke
Sure it doesnt really matter for that build, it's just a quality of life kinda thing to me. Out of thousands of iterations you will have the perfect opener which is supported by the correct crit value. When you're forced into CT after Vendetta its the "bad" situation that overall has too low of an Impact that we force crit. Playing it will still feel bad-ish
At least I dont think you have the same dps peaks, never looked into it
fading walrus
why is it meta now that all the raids assas are stacking 3 shrouded with full haste
grizzled jay
more dam
grizzled jay
read pins
dire spoke
You tend to get haste if you want to play top end bleeds, if you drop a stat too low sim will tell you to correct it
grizzled jay
crit build can still parse, haste build is just if you want to eek out that last 5% or so extra dam. so if you are full sev/strk probably not worth to switch this week unless you have 40k Echoes floating around
untold stream
What's the best channel to discuss Assassination in beta ? Here or wow-general ?
strange python
doesnt matter
untold stream
finished level 60 few days ago, and the last zone was starting to get pretty hard, because of crappy scaling I'd say, but wanted to know if pple here had the same issue, or I was doing something wrong
Took forever to kill random trash for quests
marble hemlock
ehh
its not that bad
revendreth doesnt have a whole lot of difficult quest imo
or trashmobs
but yeah, the sustain just isnt there. but its the same for all rogue specs
sub just has the benefit of a buggy snd
untold stream
Hardest one for ravendreth was the mirror quest, when you have to flee the light-thingy zone
marble hemlock
without it, theyd struggle just as much
untold stream
Kept dying, mobs melee hit me for 25% of my health
marble hemlock
that seems odd
once you get to theotar
that zone is just a breeze
with barely any killing, just clicking shit
its not a super smooth ride though, yeah
but with internal bleeding its fine imo
untold stream
Problem is, even with 2 mobs garrote + rupture, energy isn't coming back at all, always low, and the damage... well, took really long imo to kill anything
marble hemlock
internal bleeding my friend
grizzled jay
i leveled as Sub because its the best leveling Rogue spec
recommend you just do the same
untold stream
you have to KD mobs to dps them now ? ^^
marble hemlock
yeah
tahts very easy to say
when you have a buggy snd
that heals 10% hp every 2sec
grizzled jay
i hit 60 before that
grizzled jay
i hit 60 before it was figured out that it existed lol
untold stream
snd heals you ? hum good to know
grizzled jay
its a bug
grizzled jay
no, because sub kills stuff before snd is even a thing
marble hemlock
just cause you werent aware of it, doesnt mean it wasnt already working
untold stream
I used it, sometimes, cause pretty shitty to keep it up, but never figured it was healing me
grizzled jay
it was a sub only bug
untold stream
probably saved my life, but unknowingly
untold stream
oh, okay then, nevermind if it was sub
marble hemlock
just need to adjust leveling a bit
grizzled jay
MfD Sub is pretty op in leveling
marble hemlock
internal bleeding, venomrush, mfd
leeching poison
and youre good
keep in mind that kidney with IB makes it deal damage
and the bleed from the kidney generates energy through VW
untold stream
venomrush over alacrity is better ?
marble hemlock
and the dmg is nothing to scoff at
grizzled jay
you should always run MfD while leveling with any of the 3 specs since it resets on mob death so you can just keep chaining it
alacrity will fall off
you aren't chain pulling enough to keep it rolling
marble hemlock
not entirely true
grizzled jay
Venom Rush is at least something in that row
marble hemlock
mfd as assa is kinda not so great
cause you dont really have hard hitting finishers
and you just dump energy into finsihers that dont help you kill stuff faster all that much
grizzled jay
for Sin i'd use it to maintain SnD
marble hemlock
so i wouldnt spam mfd+finishers, just use it to maintain snd
grizzled jay
SnD is Sin's biggest dps button leveling
marble hemlock
esp during later stages when you start dropping crit a lot, the cp gen just isnt there to maintain snd
but you can go without mfd until like level 55/56 id say
untold stream
snd ? I thought it was useless, read pretty much everywhere it was not worth having
grizzled jay
Melee is your #1 damage source while leveling
marble hemlock
like 30% of your dmg are melees+poisons
its not
but its more dmg than an envenom
envenom, even with shiv, is just like 2k dmg
youll get more mileage out of snd
grizzled jay
@untold stream what were you running in the first tier? Blindside is really good for helping maintain Energy levels
untold stream
I was using Master poisoner for poison damage
untold stream
MP / sub / vigor / CD / wire / alacrity / PB, was running this
grizzled jay
this is the setup i'd recommend
grizzled jay
MfD is okay as well
marble hemlock
not really that big of a difference
cyan bone
Sorry to interrupt you guys but I wanted to ask what my best upgrades would be to get apart from sockets https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vi4tz9yAyf4cu6zUc9mjQr
grizzled jay
can't you just run Droptimizer
marble hemlock
assa is fine for leveling, it just drops in efficiency harder than the other specs
untold stream
Okay thanks for the advice 🙂 I'd like to try some covenant story now that I finished leveling, anything you'd recommand ?
marble hemlock
and you need to play around abilities/talents more that you normally wouldnt use
internal bleeding in particular is lowkey broken
ticks like twice as hard as rupture and refunds more energy than the kidney itself costs
grizzled jay
go Kyrian, they have the best waifus and Soulbinds
marble hemlock
kyrians will lock you out
lyric grail
anyone can help me upgrading my gear (from dungeons) that its BIS before i try to apply to a 12/12 myth guild ? here is my sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4MHwfQSVbH5f8r4taM8cq7
marble hemlock
once the elysian hold assault starts
grizzled jay
@lyric grail https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer
lyric grail
but i dont want to sim every instance
grizzled jay
pay them 2 dollars and you can sim every instance
lyric grail
got it but dont want to waste it on these pvp gloves
and those second ring
im not sure and i dont know how to sim
untold stream
pretty hard to upgrade from dungeons, since it drops 465 and you already have 470+ with haste on almost everything
lyric grail
these 2 rings or
strange python
oh true
untold stream
my guess would be to farm the rings at mechagons
lyric grail
2x mechagon 465 ring
strange python
just farm mechagon rings then and put 2x exp3 on them
lyric grail
i tried to farm them
but ive done 20 tries and 0 drops for me
i dont know how i can farm them faster
crimson palm
Sounds like a you problem
grizzled jay
just get lucky
strange python
bully guildies to help you
grizzled jay
4Head
lyric grail
so should i stick with these gloves or get some 465 gloves and put exp III on it?
ok explain to me how do i sim 465 gloves from dungeon and put exp III on it and check it with my current gloves? i cant do that
shut garnet
you can
lyric grail
how
shut garnet
you go to top gear and scroll down, there's an option to sim corruption
strange python
idk the loot table but does one of the bosses you farm have gloves?
timid coral
gear compare
lyric grail
i dont have 465 gear in my bag i need to farm
fallow otter
hands=,id=159321,enchant_id=5937,gem_id=168641,bonus_id=6536/4802/6515/1637/4786/6476/6470,context=16
strange python
in gear compare you can craft anything so to say and sim it against what you currently wear
fallow otter
@lyric grail you are pretty maxed out except for the last piece of expedient for this week
until you get mythic replacements, only other thing is Extravigant shoulders for short fights
3min sim with exp 465 socket gloves
dire spoke
nerd
ripe gulch
vast forum
it's the best setup with current corruption resistance
unkempt rampart
guys, new to assassination here, learning rotation but i am wondering about crimson tempest before or after exsanguinate. anyone that can tell me?
grizzled jay
check out the wowhead guide
strange python
you can do 8x exp3 + 1x hm for 72 atm i think
lone junco
id love to try the 400% haste builds. rip rogue.
should hit my 65% verse on druid next week though.
red pagoda
grizzled jay
mine is at 55% am i doing good @fleet whale
strange python
anyone got any idea what stats/trinkets/traits etc will be best on prepatch?
i knows its a bit early but i like to be prepared 😛
grizzled jay
Sin is dead in pre-patch so not worth worrying about
frigid kestrel
last i checked Rogues as a whole weren't even complete in Beta
Read it in a article a few weeks back on Wowhead
fleet whale
it's pre-patch so i don't think it's really gonna matter too much what you play
balmy condor
Sub still has a missing talent lul
grizzled jay
Well Sin is legit not gonna do dps. Shiv's Toxic Blade component is a Rank 2 you get above level 50, so you won't have access to it
strange python
i like to be optimized, even when it dont matter
balmy condor
Yeah prepatch is just a disaster tbh
If you want to be optimized, make an outlaw set
strange python
i got that
fleet whale
like is night's vengeance gonna work even
fleet whale
if it works with rupture than sub will still be fine
grizzled jay
Only thing Outlaw gains above level 50 is Blade Flurry's damage-on-activation
strange python
outlaw without wits
strange python
yea
fleet whale
looking at the raid testing dps
i feel like the damage were gonna do is like 1k.... lol
shy dust
Just level as sub it’s fine
grizzled jay
I was able to do 2k pretty consistently on dummies. Without Legendaries or Conduits.
strange python
thats more than i do now Pog
fleet whale
i mean in pre-patch
grizzled jay
oh
fleet whale
at level 50
fleet whale
but at least blizz decided to squish the levels too
otherwise leveling would be very silly
strange python
yea and i think 60 will be cap from now on, and all old expacs will be 50
fleet whale
and it depends on how crazy blizz decides our power will jump throughout SL
but looking at raid testing
grizzled jay
Wrath-era scaling is what I expect
fleet whale
our dps is going to be significantly lower than what it was in uldir
wrath era would be fine
grizzled jay
I also expect this to be the constant cycle forever. 10.0 will revert us to 50, and SL will move to a 10-50 leveling zone.
So they will never need to balance iLvls again, or decide on leveling scaling / squishing, etc. it's all automated and Dev time can go to better things.
Kinda odd it took them this long to do it.
strange python
guess they had to come up with the idea, and have the tech to do it aswell, and players wanting it
anyways im of, bb
steep plover
Wait did they kill sin in prepatch?
balmy condor
sin is fine
still no balancing
prepatch balance is always out of whack though
every spec looks fine on beta
steep plover
Thank god
balmy condor
just a ton of doom-saying and "oh my god everything is dead and gone they literally killed this spec"
steep plover
TRUE
balmy condor
"sub doesn't have a talent it's going to be so dead, its gonna be broken again omg"
like will it be undertested and have wonky tuning, probably
but it'll be fine
you'll live
steep plover
Ye only time will tell ay
balmy condor
exactly
grizzled jay
nah i mean just functionally Sin is losing TB in pre-patch and thats a lot of dps
that doesnt mean itll be bad at 60 lol
just for the 4-6 weeks of pre-patch itll probbaly suck
outer estuary
arent they buffing the shiv or whatever dmg tho
grizzled jay
it does 30% AP but the toxic blade effect is rank 2 which you get at level 56 or something
outer estuary
so who cares
balmy condor
we get alacrity though in place of it
balmy condor
its not like we just lose toxic blade and that's it GG we're done
outer estuary
and basically toxic blade baseline
balmy condor
we get a bunch of haste back in prepatch
is it equal to the loss? who fucking knows
outer estuary
nobody knows at this point
balmy condor
will blindside/ambush make up for it? who fucking knows
outer estuary
a ton of players are overreacting
balmy condor
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
outer estuary
and saying their class/spec is dead
crystal sparrow
I plan on going evasion tank for SL. 😈
crystal sparrow
400iq don't tell everyone
grizzled jay
a ton of players are overreacting and thinking saying 'sin losing a core dps ability' means that person is overreacting
outer estuary
but they are not losing it though
crystal sparrow
Sub sounds fun in SL, think imma learn that spec then
balmy condor
I mean we are losing it for prepatch
the nature damage part isn't back until level 56 or some shit
balmy condor
yeah that for one
and for 2
toxic blade is pretty solid
but uh
removing toxic blade isn't going to destroy sin
royal lantern
removing tb just makes assa more boring
balmy condor
this is a pre-nerf maut kill back when poison was the go-to
given that the time shown is 2 minutes
can you tell me where toxic blade is
royal lantern
the smol hills kekw
balmy condor
not even that
fleet whale
wait does the initial hit of shiv actually deal some damage now
instead of like 2 lol
balmy condor
yes
balmy condor
fleet whale
well at least better than 2
outer estuary
oh no
grizzled jay
yah its more than 2 dam
silent crescent
Theres a conduit to give it dmg isnt there? Prob not good tho
grizzled jay
no it does 23% less AP
outer estuary
where dmg didnt rly matter
grizzled jay
not 23% less damage
also stop thinking saying "x does less damage" means i am saying the spec is dead you're being spastic
fleet whale
nah i'm fine with shiv initial hit as long as it would be higher than 2 lol
crystal sparrow
Oh your now that guy 👉👈
olive lion
is rogue making a come back in SL?
grizzled jay
i guess because Shiv is baseline it can't hit as hard as TB
olive lion
or getting worse
crystal sparrow
Rogue never left In bfa 🤔
balmy condor
what does it need to come back from
grizzled jay
Rogue will be the same as it always is: middle of the pack with Shroud and Cloak
fleet whale
it was upper tier in Uldir
grizzled jay
yeah so was Resto Druid
outer estuary
i guess rogue left in nyalotha
grizzled jay
crystal sparrow
If your not playing rogue are you actually playing wow . That's the ?
olive lion
im talking arena
balmy condor
u wot
grizzled jay
Rogue will always be top tier in Arena lmao
balmy condor
rogue is super top tier in arena
grizzled jay
RPM is one of the strongest comps right now
balmy condor
for the last like 6 years
fleet whale
and about shiv damage maybe that's what the announced "TB" talent is supposed to be
grizzled jay
the "TB talent" is now a Conduit
fleet whale
but it would have to make shiv hit like a truck for it to be worthwhile talent
crystal sparrow
I tell peeps I PvP with. I don't do dmg. I'm here to play the shithead part, tis all
grizzled jay
"Shiv deals X more damage and Envenom lasts 1s longer."
fleet whale
so were gonna be stuck with alacrity all expac
royal lantern
if you dont do dmg as assa in pvp, you do something wrong
outer estuary
tbh i just wanna burst and then go play tetris
royal lantern
just saying
outer estuary
till cds r up
balmy condor
I mean depending on the scaling, probably alacrity forever
crystal sparrow
Why do dmg? Let gushers take care of it all. An cc 🙄
grizzled jay
Only way Alacrity falls down in value is if Scoundrel is that good for energy regen
crystal sparrow
😈
olive lion
i love resteathing in combat with shadowmeld lol
grizzled jay
Exsang is also always up for Echoing Reprimand, meaning you can always get Exsang off on the 7CP Rupture Kreygasm
fleet whale
other than similar cds, i don't really see a heavy synergy there
crystal sparrow
New to bfa but I faced a nelf rogue, now I know. Thought he vanished alrdy -_-. Jokes on me
outer estuary
lets be honest, nothing beats slaughter
grizzled jay
Blindside/Subt/Vigor/Alacrity/PB probably gonna be my go-to unless MP scales really hard with some of the Conduits we've seen
grizzled jay
EP will probably outscale Blindside, but early on the free CP/Damage is gonna be pretty nice to have.
balmy condor
😃
dire spoke
@balmy condor I helped today in your off time where my cookie at
balmy condor
dire spoke
balmy condor
brb theorycrafting how to be able to respond to sin channel for both EU and NA while still sleeping 8 hours
uncut schooner
I am Whispyr now.
shy dust
I remember that stream
vast forum
we're all whyspir now
steel ridge
loud brook
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strange python
Alrighty with all that shit that I have and Expedient stacked I have 90k. My weapons and rings still garbage, my azeriths still 465 garbage. 
I guess I chill now. 
scarlet sequoia
balmy condor
steep plover
Btw are addons off the twitch app being dodgy for anyone else?
Or atleast the raider io addon
shell ivy
i got some interesting vision boots loot i never knew it existed, but it seems lower than my carapace heroic boots, i'd guess its coz of socket? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8s5VmpuiDeTXXZTFtJfDWY
shell ivy
yea i've checked subcreation nyalotha list
cara is like top 1
or 2
but the vision boots did seem interesting coz of haste
just felt strange
steep plover
If my exped build isnt fully decked but my eb build is almost decked should i still run exped on junkyard cause of zap?
balmy condor
depends on key level
zap scales with key level, so in higher keys, playing into zap is stronger and stronger and stronger
grizzled jay
steep plover
zap scales with key level, so in higher keys, playing into zap is stronger and stronger and stronger
@balmy condor sweet u reckon 18+ keys is good idea to run haste then?
balmy condor
18 probably not
steep plover
@steep plover https://twitter.com/deadlybossmods/status/1293559995418763265
@grizzled jay oh rip thanks for letting me know
Like 25+ ?
balmy condor
ye
I'd start considering it at around 23
tbh
I was still doing more with my crit build until 22-23ish
and even then was a little questionable
steep plover
I get a bit cut seeing cunts do nearly all their damage from zap and then for me its like 3rd or 4th down the list 😪
Its annoying tho my build is pretty decked now and im having fun but xpacs nearly over
vast forum
full expedient is always the way to go in junkyard 😄
fading wigeon
a quick question, did I do this second vendetta window correctly?
vast forum
replace unbridled fury with focused resolve
vast forum
cast another garrote at the end of that subterfuge window for extra duration 🙂
fading wigeon
gotcha, so garrote rupture garrote?
balmy condor
yep
strange python
on ST yes
fading wigeon
perfect thank you
swift moss
Can I get some help with my sim boys havent played rogue in years got swapped to mage lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9bz6tg4GD1YRPF3CYmwF7
Other than rings what should I aim for
balmy condor
I mean
maybe
with all that exped
not sure if you can drop lucid yet
usually breath lucid iris and then breath formless iris
balmy condor
the socket is pretty good on that plumage
swift moss
are the stats decent other than not being high ilvl
swift moss
lot of mastery not much crit other than the ring
balmy condor
the ineffable's got to go
swift moss
yea I have that ring for outlaw
balmy condor
aha
swift moss
farming out the rings rn got them on like 8 other toons lol
swift moss
kk ty
umbral rapids
Whispyr mvp
swift moss
actually lol
balmy condor
gilded laurel
skitra bracers or shadhar bracers?
balmy condor
skitra
gilded laurel
ty
vital haven
@balmy condor raider io desktop app is an addon software as well?
balmy condor
it updates the addon
so you don't need to update through twitch
at least I think that's how that works
I haven't updated rio through twitch in months
grizzled jay
what's the opposite of mvp
balmy condor
lvp
balmy condor
:(
quartz creek
is torment in a jar good for m+ as assassination? or should i just stick with vita/spyglass
quartz creek
i guess with tyrannical week it loses value in packs
lusty nacelle
does anyone have an idea of what azerite traits, stats, and talents we should be using once the pre-patch hits and everyone is less expedient?
grizzled jay
@balmy condor Exsang is back Pog
balmy condor
doubtful that 1 trinket will make exsang viable
grizzled jay
that was the joke yes
lusty nacelle
I copied my rogue over in the beta, alacrity+blindside with exsang and CT still feels really smooth
sitting at 40% haste, wasn't feeling energy drought
balmy condor
yeah
lusty nacelle
40% haste pre alacrity stacks
urban gale
so in like 5+ target
what should i be generally thinking
is it worth trying to keep rupturing
balmy condor
crit build or haste
urban gale
haste
urban gale
ok ty
versed galleon
hey guys, for drest, do you typically blow full opener on one of the eyes or hold vendetta etc for burn phase?
balmy condor
eye's dont live long enough
balmy condor
ye
versed galleon
thx
strange python
Still a simp anyway
hasty vale
Rogue in general is still missing 2 talents right?
balmy condor
sub is missing 1
arctic walrus
outlaw missing the other
balmy condor
ye
balmy condor
what stats are those