casual
#assassination
vast forum
semi hardcore i guess you mean
like world 500+ or smt?
the reason people don't bring rogues atm is because rogues just aren't as strong as other classes
there's literally 0 reason to bring a rogue to a raid over a hunter, mage, warlock, warrior or demon hunter
outer lotus
Guilds that only progress through half the raid obviously 
lean marten
yeah rogue are just doodoo in current raid meta
vast forum
that's just current patch tho
drifting hare
it's just a observation I did
drifting hare
even when I looking for peeps 24+ keys, I barely have any rogues queuing
maybe 2 or 3 a day and im playing a lot
but maybe its just me
what I want to say is rogues feel kinda dead or not really being needed
vast forum
that's because all the good rogues have their own teams
outer lotus
Well there is pretty much one rogue in every high key
drifting hare
for the wider majority
vast forum
rogues don't play very well in random pugs because we need to know pull patterns to perform well
drifting hare
y true
vast forum
ofc rogues are not needed atm
when every1 rerolled to hunter or mage
people like playing what's op, not what's fun
BM Hunter is the most boring shit to play
lean marten
ur not allowed to have fun unless ur top dps
vast forum
and yet it has by far the most parses in nyalotha
mellow pier
Sounds unhealthy
main warren
yeah thats why i stopped playing it lol
bleak spoke
Rogues don’t need to know the pull patterns to perform relative to dps
vast forum
outlaw doesn't tbh
bleak spoke
They need to know patterns for stops and stuff or they need to know the dungeons so well it doesn’t matter what you pull
vast forum
we're in assa channel 😄
lean marten
oh this isnt wow general wtf lmao
mellow pier
I joke with my dh that we are just there to allow the mage to tunnel dps
vast forum
it's not a joke tho
mellow pier
Yeah lmao
lean marten
bard rogues
mellow pier
Then the mage goes "we needed more dps on that pull"... Ok guy
vast forum
tell him to play better then 
somber bison
press ignite harder
dire spoke
ultra coomboost
outer lotus
they accept you for those sweet 1cp kidneys
normal olive
Having the aoe charge thingy at last boss in kr and randomly shadowstepping back in
that's 400 iq
vital tapir
tranquil dust
Is there any reason in the world I would want to keep TD3 that rolled on my 475 Jeweled Dagger of Subjugation?
spice spire
Memes
carmine latch
any1 know if bleeds on Adderis and Aspix first boss in Temple +21 will fk me over
New to assassinaiton in m+ :c
little root
if u apply them before they get the lighting shield then youre fine but anything after that is ouch
carmine latch
ah so good to know, thanks man
weak trellis
Is anyone actually running 7x Expedient rank 3, 1x Expedient rank 2 and
1 Honed Mind rank 3?
I just went 8x Epd r3, 1x Exp r2
arctic walrus
when we get enough cape resist yes
weak trellis
can do it now?
arctic walrus
you could've done it since day 1 but that is final build under 59
weak trellis
I'm at 55 corruption
dark crag
I don't even main assa and have that ready
crimson palm
You can run hm3 at 79 atm
weak trellis
mhmmm. Bit concerned about my crit atm, I'm 30% crit, 83% haste and 42% mastery. Just keep stackiong haste? Or put some into crit?
crimson palm
34% crit or the game is literally unplayable
weak trellis
lollll
normal olive
@tropic ocean do you have warrior bei any chance? 
tropic ocean
ya
normal olive
Not rly nice of you >:c
tropic ocean
?
normal olive
I was in that jaina pug
tropic ocean
the pug which was called "ce/mythic exp only" and 80% ppl dying to avalanche in p1 ?
normal olive
Yeah xD
young pebble
Should I be trying to refresh an exsang'd rupture during pandemic window or letting it drop off completely before reapplying?
strange python
let it drop
silent crescent
Reapplying wastes all the fast ticks lol
verbal radish
Just now got the 3rd azerite piece to switch to CT/Exsang, TB simmed higher til then. Been practicing on a dummy, and I notice the 3rd exsang comes up before Vendetta/Vanish. Should I save 3rd Exsang for them to come up? Or save Vendetta/Vanish for 4th Exsang?
dull crypt
Save vendetta vanish for fourth exsang
verbal radish
Cool. Thanks.
balmy condor
What’s up boys
fiery cradle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4iK1HY4zr2oPhqBmdn4XES my corruption do be all over the place
lean marten
hello whyspr
dire spoke
That's what gearing up looks like
fiery cradle
yea i just resubbed like 3 weeks ago 
balmy condor
It’s probably where we would’ve been without a vendor tbh
dire spoke
only two more weeks until finalized corruptions 
balmy condor
Also you should probably try to sim iris minor alongside those, as well as deeper Stratagem, and then CT is probably closer
Id do the sim but I’m a mobile Andy atm
fiery cradle
ct is a dps loss, i've swapped to ds already, iris minor sims lower as well
balmy condor
Impressive
fiery cradle
i didn't think ds would be better because my haste is gigalow but /shrug
balmy condor
DS/exsang go hand in hand
noble valve
iris minor would probably be better on a longer sim
balmy condor
You’ll be hard pressed to find a sim where vigor and exsang exist together
fiery cradle
5 min sim iris is a 12 dps loss pog
noble valve
oof
vagrant plover
whats more important, 100% uptime on garrote+rupture or maximising number of envenoms in toxic blade window?
e.g. if garrote or rupture is about to fall off but toxic blade just comes off cd, what do i do?
mellow pier
Set it up so that doesnt happen
Refresh them in pandemic, that gives u a few seconds to adjust
Plan for ur TB before its off CD
vagrant plover
i can get behind that, but with a 9 second toxic blade buff window and a 7 second pandemic window surely it will overlap at some point?
mellow pier
Just get 2 envenoms in ur TB
dire spoke
You know that bleeds pandemic do you?
mellow pier
Plan around how to do that. Its not very complicated
vagrant plover
im very new to assass, just trying to have an asnwer for every situation
so how important is the envenom passive? lets say i cast toxic blade and i have 0 energy but 2 points, should i use a 2 point envenom just for the poison proc?
mellow pier
Set urself up better again
Pool or whatever before ur tb
Assassin isnt a mongo spec. U plan 15s ahead
vagrant plover
im used to that with playing windwalker a lot
so if im in these situations that im confused about, the answer is to not be there, gotcha
dire spoke
15s
rustic gate
can we say that least in SL rogues are going to be more fun.
rustic gate
well better than in bfa
vast forum
depends
vast forum
i don't like assa having slice and dice
mellow pier
BUT
vast forum
i think not enough was done for rogues
mellow pier
We havent seen all our shit yet
vast forum
outlaw might be good tho
mellow pier
I still dont understand what snd does for assassin
I suppose it makes our melee do more cause were just sitting there watching our melee attacks
Waiting for our energy to regen
Giving energy regen would be nice
rustic gate
i think it still gives energy unless outlaw only gets that
rustic gate
ah
balmy condor
Outlaw and sub get energy from their passives
Sub gets cp as well
Sin doesn’t have an autoattack passive, so it’s literally just poisons and melee for us
rustic gate
actually wanna know more about the roll the dice. ik they changed to have a cd
balmy condor
It’s the same thing except it’s a cd that gets reduced on finishers the same way AR does
rustic gate
ah
uncut schooner
@balmy condor
vagrant plover
how important is proccing poison bomb in tb window?
uncut schooner
What I miss over last few days.
balmy condor
Whomst
uncut schooner
vagrant plover
since it requires 5 cmbp
balmy condor
Poison bomb is rng
Based on combo points
You can proc it off of 1 cp
But PB is also poopoo damage
So not important
arctic walrus
4% per cp and it doesn't do any damage and you can't force it into your tb
uncut schooner
Oh okay.
balmy condor
Yeah
balmy condor
Nah just in general
arctic walrus
it's fine ish
balmy condor
Slice and dice 
It’s still sin
With legion legendaries
And alacrity
And that’s basically it
uncut schooner
Yeah but, is that really going to be better than what Outlaw and Sub are getting.
Comparatively.
balmy condor
Idk, roll a d20 for tuning
arctic walrus
all fight and tuning dependent
balmy condor
Toxic blade on hit does 3 damage, shadow vault on sub isn’t affected by mastery, we’re raid testing without conduits, the raid test scaling doesn’t give abilities that you obtain during leveling, bone spike is still 50% of our damage
Take your pick
balmy condor
Yes
uncut schooner
balmy condor
It’s using some ancient damage calculation from old shiv
That makes no sense with the current game
uncut schooner
And yeah I've heard shadow vault doesn't do much right now.
balmy condor
Imagine telling sub rogues to raid test and their aoe finisher is doing 50% less damage than it’s supposed to
That is, if they have it at all
uncut schooner
They took a break from breaking Druid to making shadow priest playable.
balmy condor
If they didn’t re-level after the char wipe, the raid test doesn’t scale the level
uncut schooner
So rogue tuning/additions are on hold again.
balmy condor
And you don’t get shadow vault till 56
So if you make a fresh char and raid test, rip shadow vault
uncut schooner
What? Really lol
uncut schooner
Imagine making the aoe finisher not obtainable until the near end of levelling.
Big brain.
uncut schooner
Just seems kind of silly to lock the "main" aoe finisher until you've hit near enough the end of your levelling experience.
surely you'd want that earlier on to make the questing experience smoother.
stiff fern
you do get it earlier on
balmy condor
Well they’re bringing “ranks” back to shit
stiff fern
rank 2 just adds extra damage to targets with FW
balmy condor
Also you’re not doing aoe pulls leveling
At least not big
Cleave, yes
But with squish and shit
stiff fern
I know, I'm saying you get it earlier then SL
uncut schooner
I don't really treat it as a dps cooldown if im doing solo content.
Because 80% of the time I'm resetting the mob I'm fighting.
Which leads to qq times.
balmy condor
Ye
uncut schooner
Saying that though.
Deathly Shadows Vanish grants 5 combo points and increases all damage dealt by 15% for 10 sec.
Inventory Type: Waist, Legs
Original: Item - Rogue T18 Subtlety 2P Bonus
uncut schooner
Dashing Scoundrel Envenom also increases the critical strike chance of your poisons by 30%, and their critical strikes generate 2 Energy.
Inventory Type: Feet, Back
Right channel now.
balmy condor
Yeah that’s a good legendary
We like energy
It’s a little boring
But we take it
uncut schooner
You rating that one the highest?
balmy condor
I’m not rating anything based on damage
But I like energy, and that gives energy
So it’s good in my book
uncut schooner
I mean I figured (at least until tuning is sorted out) that right now that one is probably the go-to pick for consistency.
uncut schooner
Aren't you CE?
balmy condor
Im whatever you want me to be baby
Brb I’m gonna make pudding to drown my sorrows
strange python
People don’t take rogues to mythic right
balmy condor
They do
But I’m a bookworm who guild leads for friends and shit
And that makes it difficult to raid CE
balmy condor
dire spoke
ur a big noob
uncut schooner
balmy condor
He’s right tho
lone junco
damn.
uncut schooner
Imagine not being 12/12 M haha.
balmy condor
I'm getting bullied dude
silent crescent
Yea... imagine...
tropic ocean
ce is not giving you beta tho
balmy condor
its definitely giving you more beta than not CE
uncut schooner
^
tropic ocean
that probably
uncut schooner
Most CE people I know are in, and have been for a while.
tropic ocean
👍
drifting cloud
1.5k CE isnt giving you beta
drifting cloud
ce invites were what 3 weeks ago
uncut schooner
Can't deny its part of the criteria though.
drifting cloud
yeah well some people just most likely dont have accounts in good standing
tropic ocean
not sure what exact criteria is
but 1 week ban due to exp pot abuse some time ago got beta access so
🤷
uncut schooner
harsh sphinx
people that havn't played retail in years / just play classic got into the beta. CE doesn't guarantee an invite or guy would have one by now
tropic ocean
think they also throw out some random invites to random players
one of most casual players in twinkguild got beta access
and he plays idk maybe 3 hours per week
orso
uncut schooner
I mean, its not a set criteria, never said it was.
tropic ocean
its already pretty random inside guilds
uncut schooner
But regardless they will still send out targetted invites, not just leave it to the system to decide.
tropic ocean
from same raid roster some got beta some didnt
uncut schooner
They'd be idiots not to.
drifting cloud
yeah ofc there is always random invites
tropic ocean
(which is pretty weird cuz if u wanna raid test u need ur full roster) 😄
uncut schooner
Always going to be random invites for stuff like this.
But I mean if we're talking "likely" people to get invited more frequently over others, its going to be people in good standing with high-end content experience.
uncut schooner
Imagine leaving it to the system to decide when the vast majority of players play infrequently, don't play live at all or have only done maybe a bit of heroic and normal.
"Go test our new raid content please."
Some normal pug raider: "Ye mate."
tropic ocean
i guess you'd want a cut of every kind of player but idk
most top players got beta so they can tell the rest i guess
shadow wedge
low girder
yeah i was in our guild's first kill, never had so much as a chat restriction nevermind a suspension, pretty sure i'm the only person on the raid roster without beta
feelsbadman
silent crescent
You're obviously boosted if you progged and don't have a chat restriction
fast nacelle
ambush talent on beta does ~ 3% dmg
meh... even if you kill the boss its maybe 3.5-4% max
silent crescent
making the active talent be the lowest dps one is sick game design
balmy condor
if you have a ton of crit
devout fiber
I now have 3SS and 2 Twist the knife
balmy condor
you're gonna feel the loss
devout fiber
with 1 Vendetta
balmy condor
that sounds pretty tragic
devout fiber
It's more for pvp
balmy condor
that's fine
silent crescent
EB gets better for organized groups when you go for crazy pulls
pugs who do small pulls will mostly need the SS
balmy condor
EB is fine in small pulls too
it gains value on big pulls obviously
but its in no way bad in pugs
silent crescent
fine yeah but it's a dramatic increase for big pulls is what i meant
devout fiber
Hmmm
Well I jumped from 450 to 460
on my helmet
sorry
450 - 465*
So that changes my rotation a bit now does it
balmy condor
no?
devout fiber
Instead of contiously FoB i gotta now envenom at 5CP
balmy condor
did you have EB on the 450?
devout fiber
Yeah
devout fiber
ttk?
balmy condor
yeah you said 2 twist the knife right
royal lantern
vision runs are pretty easy when you done them a couple of times
rotund ether
I don't know how to interpret this sim fully, am I hitting a soft haste cap? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vKugrQwuhdE6E3Z4T92fQU
balmy condor
its not so much a soft haste cap, as much as other stats are scaling harder
rustic gate
Im sad that i cant get to that ilvl.
rotund ether
I didn't run all ring enchants, but I didn't think that my gear was good enough haste-wise to not want any sockets or enchants haste
I don't know if this is like the correct way to build it though
I'm running outlaw currently but putting together a sin set
rotund ether
Is CLF better? I see Most people running blood major. Also when I simmed it it favored heart over shrouded suff but I guess that changed
balmy condor
depends on fight time
rotund ether
Thats fair
rotund ether
Let me try gems again with the 105k BotE sim
balmy condor
see ya in 3 hours
rotund ether
lol yeah I ran the last one while I was at work
balmy condor
gem sims aren't worth the time
rotund ether
Seems pretty minor overall
balmy condor
flame me yoppa
balmy condor
rotund ether
Means I can swap some gear pieces between sin and outlaw more easily
shy dust
Doing more damage ain’t worth the time Whispyr?
shy dust
rotund ether
I wasn't sure if the stat weights were correct in practice
Cause I have no assassin experience
balmy condor
stat weights need big brain for use
balmy condor
buck shut it
rotund ether
Oh do I have so much haste that I don't need lucid on assassin anymore?
strange python
tf
balmy condor
yeah if you can run CT you're gonna drop lucid around the same time
was that not you
strange python
idk
strange python
I havent been here in like 3 days
and now I get accused of shit 😦
but it's true
34% crit = 3cp mut
5 if it crits
balmy condor
I hate you
strange python
I feel very welcomed back
loud brook
balmy condor
3x SS 3x NP and just play classic for those sick 20 second kill times
dawn lance
if i wanted to use 1 corruption for raid/plus would haste or the crit ones be better? for gems/enchants as well. I'm just in a heroic guild, so having multiple pieces is hard, and getting enough echoes...
hidden bay
Haste 
dawn lance
thanks, pretty new to rogue and all
balmy condor
depends on what you're focusing tbh
dawn lance
kinda of both really, i know it won't be optimal but what one it slides towards really
balmy condor
haste only requires 1 set of azerite tho
dawn lance
is what i'm asking
balmy condor
I would agree with haste
dawn lance
thanks for the help, thought i'd just ask and see
if doing haste, what
what's next best stat?
balmy condor
crit/mast
dawn lance
ty
opaque tree
Hi all, quick question - For Deeper Stratagem, do you always do 5-6 CPs for anything outside of exsang?
or, would you do 4-6?
opaque tree
just feels really shitty for envenom when I have to mutilate 3 freakin times
arctic walrus
u can rupture at 4
opaque tree
I guess my crit just isn't very high, I dunno.
arctic walrus
it happens
opaque tree
26% unbuffed, so it's pretty frequent that I have to mut 3 times
arctic walrus
opaque tree
and doesn't feel good
balmy condor
opaque tree
Anyway, just wondering. Ty
dark crag
DS is used with the haste build, if you don't have high haste go vigor
balmy condor
he has 26% crit, not 26% haste
balmy condor
dark crag
And why deeper with low haste?
balmy condor
maybe he followed an infexious guide and just full sent it on the haste/mast
he doesn't have low haste though
we don't know what his haste is
dark crag
The 3 muts sounded like he waits too much for energy
balmy condor
I think he was mostly just not feeling the mut 3 times
cause it just sucks to mut 3 times
but idk, we're just arguing semantics
dark crag
I have the mysterious 34% crit, maybe that's why
strange python
U got the 3cp muts
damn
gimme
On 34.34% crit u get 6 cp mutilate just fyi @balmy condor
dark crag
My haste is even better
strange python
69.69? 
dark crag
balmy condor
charred timber
If you at 4/6 CP with about ~5 sec left on a garrote, would you:
a) refresh garrote(cuz of pandemic) and go to 5/6 CP to then use a finisher
OR
b) Mut to 6/6, use a finisher and then refresh garrote
Really specific question but just curious about your thoughts.
balmy condor
Considering the garrote isn’t empowered obviously
You would garrote finisher every time
I think the one situation where you would mut finish garrote
Is prepping for exsang where you would mut to 6, rupture, and then garrote
For the full pandemic
But just regular rotation, you would garrote finish
charred timber
ok thanks, I've been doing that and wanted to see other peoples opinions on the matter
balmy condor
Yeah I mean if you’re at 4 and you mut you risk seal fate overcap right
So if you can avoid it, you avoid it
charred timber
fair enough
also this Wed Expedient 3 is on the shop and i was gonna try it out. what kind of Stats do you think I would need as a minimum for the Exsang/CT build??
Atm unbuffed i got:
38% Haste
30% Crit
34% Mast
4% Vers
balmy condor
Highly depends on azerite/essences
With good SS essences, you should be able to run exsang right now
Just a sim question
charred timber
SS essences?
balmy condor
Bote/CLF helps
Iris 3, formless
The usual
If you’re undergeared essence wise it can affect it
balmy condor
Yeah then just sim it
charred timber
do you Prio Crit or Mastery after Haste?
balmy condor
Whatever sims higher
jagged vault
Do assas rogues have a viable vers% alternative for high M+ keys? And would the ST damage be comparable/better than vers% outlaw?
balmy condor
They’re both fine
@jagged vault same crit build as usual, just with vers% instead of strikethrough
It’s the exact same thing, just less damage
Probably still better single target than outlaw
Not really needed until 26-27’s tbh
jagged vault
Yeah I'm trying to push a 28/29 on it - we've got 3 attempts at it and I'm wondering if its worth exploring with my rogue
balmy condor
If you’re already pushing 28/29’s with outlaw then you’re probably just hurting yourself trying to go sin for that
strange python
Is there is any suggestion how to dps Nzoth with that Expedient build besides pop him up when it's possible?
Just being armslike and aoe shit arround?
balmy condor
Wdym
bleak spoke
@jagged vault nah won’t do any damage as sin on full verse you’re too stat starved
Like it’ll actually be atrocious it’s the worst stat on st with most builds and on aoe it’s only good after you’ve reached a critical mass of crit where you basically crit everything
In which case strikethrough is better or whatever anyway
balmy condor
I mean its still fine
its worse than strikes, but it's not "oh my god awful stat so bad don't even consider" bad
bleak spoke
I mean if you compare full vers sin to full vers outlaw that’s kinda troll imo
balmy condor
its not full vers sin
you're still running the severe's
you're just changing out the strikes
full vers sin is definitely troll
strange python
Aperantly I wont be able to get all haste from vendor till next Friday so it's like 3 spots free of 9. So what else would be beneficial for haste build?
During next rotation I don't see nothing like Severe or Masterful to fill up gaps on gear.
strange python
So it's next Tuesday after that.
balmy condor
you just have to deal with whatever you got
strange python
Ya I wait to buy 6 of them.
I pulled good numbers in todays raid. Top 4-5 dps with all my shit gear.
Well. Will see what I get on next week and then just sim it. I think if I get something with haste/mastery and proc of haste/mastery or just haste/mastery 9/12% I will know exactly what to go for.
Still gotta farm Mechagon cz this dungeon doesn't want to give me shit.
untold current
Does haste effect our bleed damage outside of exsanguinate?
untold current
Right, so I am just trying to understand the math behind it. For example If you have 60k damage ticking every second, over say 6 seconds = 6k per second
Then would haste increase the number of 6k ticks within that 6 second time frame?
balmy condor
1 tick every 2/(1+haste%) seconds
untold current
Perfect. Makes sense
normal olive
What stats do we go for the m+ EB build?
balmy condor
Crit/vers
normal olive
ty 
balmy condor
dire spoke
burnt ivy
do you guys think going for expedient or for full gushing is better for pvp/pve? to not perform too badly in both situations
burnt ivy
yea i want to perform not too badly in both, probably a mixture is not too bad
since when i farmed both sets the prepatch wil be around
crimson palm
Exp is worthless in pvp
rancid sphinx
hey guys, I couldn't buy gushing wound corruption and I think it will reset today and come after a month, am new to game, and been told that its the best corruption for assassination rouge currently 450 i lvl, should increase my i lvl that month and buy the corruption next month, or I buy other corruption ?
royal lantern
if all you wanna do is pvp
get ilvl and buy it next time its avaible
gushing on low ilvl pieces is bad anyway
dont put it on stuff that is bellow 465
rancid sphinx
sure
but I wanna do mix of both
pve and pvp
whats the best corruption for pve?
dire spoke
the most played build is expedient-bleeds if you want non-rng
rancid sphinx
is it available that month ?
balmy condor
Next reset
rancid sphinx
fk
ok XD
I should only look to buy corruption on high gear that I wont change
so ya I dont know why am asking for that right now
balmy condor
Also expansions done and corruptions going away so just enjoy your life if you’re new
balmy condor
Prepatch is roughly 2 months from now
Shadowlands a couple weeks later
But corruptions are gone in prepatch
So best estimate you got bout 6 weeks to go
7 maybe
strange python
Got KR trinket 465 to swap my Gladiator badge 460. 200 dps increase.
rancid sphinx
nice
strange python
Cz of soket I believe with 50 haste. But it's still better isn't it?
balmy condor
Sim it
dire spoke
Why
dire spoke
apparently you have alot of vers
balmy condor
Yeah but it’s a lot of agi
strange python
10% for now. Trying to get rid of it.
balmy condor
If my stat weights are 10 vers and 5 agi right
And I offered you a trinket with 1500 vers
Or a trinket with 3500 agi
Which are you taking
normal olive
vers! 
strange python
Vers.
balmy condor
And there ya go
strange python
balmy condor
That’s why you’re confused
normal olive
Wait now i'm confused
balmy condor
You take the agi
normal olive
in that scenario the agi trinket would be better right?
rancid sphinx
as sin rouge my dps is better in raids or dung?
dawn viper
10 x 1500 = 15,000. 3500x5 = 17,500
normal olive
ah okay yeah that's what i thought
balmy condor
Depends on your build, but we usually pump harder in raids
strange python
Badge has 200 static vers. KR trinket has 600 agi.
balmy condor
Sure
royal lantern
@rancid sphinx the rough rule of tumb RIGHT NOW(stuff can change in sl) is that assassination is the ST dmg raidspec
royal lantern
so you focus on the boss and do high/1of the highest boss dmg in the raidteam, but close too 0 aoe
balmy condor
The badge isn’t automatically bad just because it has agi
dire spoke
balmy condor
And the KR trinket isn’t automatically good because it has vers
royal lantern
people think agility is bad cus it sims somewhat lower then other stats
balmy condor
It stat weight sims hella lower
balmy condor
Yeah
royal lantern
mainstat sims slightly lower BUT is on EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF GEAR
balmy condor
People just don’t understand stat weights or stat scaling
royal lantern
like, mainstat IS 1 of the most important stats
balmy condor
That’s part of why I just tell everyone to top gear everything and forget stat weights exist
royal lantern
its the reason why ilvl upgrades are most of the time tend too be better
balmy condor
If they’re confused about stats, stat weights ain’t gonna help
balmy condor
royal lantern
kr trinket is good because it has a 2min cd that lines up perfect with your cd windows and is more or less a flat ~15%dmg increase over its duration
you dont need too value vers in your spec, 15%flat more dmg is just big
gleaming prism
Was looking at rupture dps @ 5 and 6 combo points, and it's the same. If exsang is 100% faster tick, what does that translate to? How long does rupture tick? Can't math right now
normal olive
well it's allways the same dmg
just the duration is diffrent
the 5 cp dmg / 24 seconds is the same dmg as 6cp / 28 seconds
Just 4 seconds more duration on the 6cp
gleaming prism
But what's 100% of each?
balmy condor
It’s actually more than 4 seconds if you factor in pandemic
normal olive
well yes with pandemic it's longer
normal olive
but the dmg stays the same
gleaming prism
Does exsang end up beating out 5cp rup with 6cp?
normal olive
that's waht i wanted to say
gleaming prism
Just half -- okay
balmy condor
You take the duration, now it’s half the duration
But it ticks twice as fast
Same amount of ticks, half the duration
gleaming prism
I'm trying to do the math on whether an extra mut. to get to 6cp from 5cp (if bad rng) is worth the extra cast, or if it's better to pandem @ 5cp
Might be splitting hairs
balmy condor
It is
That’s why the rule is to always 6cp rupture before exsang
For max pandemic
gleaming prism
I've not seen that anywhere else. Pinned guide shows 1x mut before rup then exsang
normal olive
That's why you use 34% crit 
shut garnet
balmy condor
The guides also do a different opener at 5cp
gleaming prism
With tempest, yes
balmy condor
Np
gleaming prism
Just always felt silly mutilating for 1 lousy cp, but will keep on
balmy condor
You mean “it’s possibly to get lucky inside vendetta?”
I can land all my crits outside vendetta, but in vendetta my crit rate drops to -20%
wary kelp
your always supposed to bote after exsanguinate right? even if you have to 5cp a CT in your opener and 3x mut to rupture
dire spoke
but then you have to be unlucky 2x in a row
balmy condor
Yes
normal olive
i know
dire spoke
wary kelp
kk ty
dire spoke
I would delete and start a new rogue navi
normal olive
Wait you guys don't use conflict major?
balmy condor
Being unlucky 2x in a row feels pretty average
normal olive
Wait would conflict work on shad?
balmy condor
balmy condor
I don’t think it does
dire spoke
what does it even do in major
balmy condor
But I also don’t know if anyone was stupid enough to try it
normal olive
You get the sprint pvp talent
dire spoke
spring
balmy condor
normal olive
If i ever get to mythic shad i'ma try it
wary kelp
hey whispyr another quick q
dire spoke
I can stream it for you next reset
normal olive
do it
wary kelp
is gale and plume situational
dire spoke
balmy condor
Plume is easier gale is better
wary kelp
I got a 475 plume out of my chest I really want to use but gale just feels better
balmy condor
Plume in m+, gale if you’re trolling
normal olive
wary kelp
ok so im not crazy for liking gale more
royal lantern
you are
balmy condor
Yeah 475 gale should outsim everything
royal lantern
but we all are crazy
wary kelp
475 plume 465 gale
normal olive
I like plum more because i can just macro it to vendetta and forget it
balmy condor
Yeah that’s the appeal usually
wary kelp
ive gotten so used to just having a bind for gale
balmy condor
Gale requires micromanaging to perform as good as it says it does
wary kelp
that I manually use plume anyways
balmy condor
I have a bind for trinket as well for plume in m+
wary kelp
I was gonna bring plume to the obvious add fights like hive and vex
but I see so many speed run parses using plume that it made me feel dumb for using gale in most fights
normal olive
isn't vex a ST fight for us
balmy condor
It’s got some 2 target cleave
wary kelp
yeah hunters and mages kill the adds before they make it to melee anyways 
but theres cleave
dire spoke
I stopped to garr the add on vex pull, cba anymore
normal olive
same
balmy condor
normal olive
I just want to kill ilgy this week and then i can quit
wary kelp
I want to kill raden so I can get rid of my 460 azerite
dire spoke
I want to bench so I don't need to deal with any of that shit
Imagine extending each week and not getting any loot
Yeah those long tiers are pretty painful for one/two day mediocre guilds, they automatically get forced into extending because there is no early skip and just not enough time to farm into progress
Castle is alot better in any possible way
normal olive
I think the problem is that they started doing mythic like 3-4 weeks ago
pretty late into the tier
dire spoke
I was referring to guilds that start few weeks later and want to try Post nerf CE
dire spoke
I wish they would remove CE with a big nerf wave
normal olive
dire spoke
CE says nothing about a player these days
normal olive
the moment you can buy carries nothing really counts
dire spoke
plus that
royal lantern
ye, the 1thing i dont like about carry runs
stuff you earned by months of progression and learning fights etc....and then somone that paid some gold has the same achievment and probably the mount before you get it
dire spoke
yeah I don't think there is anything elitist or reprehensible about removing CE after like 4-5 month
I mean
dire spoke
cutting edge literally states that you've managed to do well without having the content nerfed and outgearing stuff
normal olive
would that mean if a boss get's hotfixed first week there is no more CE
royal lantern
it just always feels so "great" too see somone with 200rio with uncorrupted siting on his brutosaur, and all his mythic kills where done on the same day/only last boss is killed
royal lantern
wtf do they expect
EVEN if you wouldnt notice it
you would notice if you play with them for 2 days lol
normal olive
I hate joining groups that allready have kills
everyone know what to do and i'm there running around like a chicken trying to be helpful
dire spoke
idk it's monkaweird, we're not that good of a guild but still you don't just go into topper end
normal olive
Saw some people with like 8/12 hc try to get into mythic guilds
dire spoke
that's okay if they play well
normal olive
god i'm not able to write today
dire spoke
I jumped from 3000 to 300
royal lantern
im at 600 something and im happy soooo.......
normal olive
Dunno where i'll end up for SL, we are trying to make a guild atm, but i'm not really confident in that
royal lantern
we kill stuff before it gets nerfed into beeing trivial content/the catchup is too strong, and dunno, thats all i want
killing nzoth pre-corruption vendor felt good
dire spoke
yeah same tryan
lyric grail
so how much tries did u guys need for mechagon both rings atm im at 29 attempts 0 rings
unreal kayak
Got mine from weekly and then i did 3 runs for the other one
tawdry goblet
lyric grail
spec to outlaw propably
normal olive
Are you playing the EB build?
balmy condor
Best will either be vita/plumage or spyglass/plumage
For haste and crit respectively
steep plover
zinc zealot
is it recommended to run full haste % for high Junkyard keys?
devout fiber
Guys
what breaks stealth
Something keeps breaking my stealth
And it happens a shit ton in pvp
Is it because I have tentacle?
Or if u have any status effects on u, you can't stealth?
But then why would it allow u to press the stealth button
silent crescent
do you have a dot on you?
why would a dot stop you from entering? any damage will take you out
narrow robin
I think he means after vanish
silent crescent
? he literally never mentioned vanish
devout fiber
Nah not vanish
uncut schooner
Dots are periodic damage and damage breaks stealth so...
strange python
no
uncut schooner
No they wouldnt
scarlet sequoia
young dust
hey guys
when using CLF the sim tells me to CLF on pre-pull (leaving stealth) and still garrote>rupture>garrote afterwards
normal olive
you cast clf before pull and then go into stealth
young dust
i'm wondering if this is enough time for the 2nd garrote on subterfuge
fathom swift
young dust
thanks
rain obsidian
what essences are best to use on carapace mythic?
strange python
Same as every other boss
rustic gate
clf?
rain obsidian
ty
molten ice
rancid bobcat
normal olive
Plumage over coral
fleet whale
i think even crucible minor is stronger than CLF minor lol
you don't have even lucid three yet? or Formless void?
tranquil dust
Crit to aim for is 34% for expedient build? Is this before procs and such?
tranquil dust
So just go off stat weights then?
balmy condor
top gear
tranquil dust
Thank you, probably saved me a bunch of headaches
tranquil dust
Ima punch somebody for making that meme
mental epoch
I'm new to Assassin. What stats do I go for Raid Dps? Haste only?
normal olive
haste / crit and haste / mastery pieces are the go to
just sim what pieces are better for you
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
balmy condor
always fun to see
normal olive
brazen gyro
i was reading about outlaw not scaling as well as some specs in m+, does sin suffer from this in dungeons
balmy condor
not sure what that means
rustic gate
usually i thought it was the other way around
balmy condor
but sin does fine in dungeons
rustic gate
outlaw is better for dungeons than sin
balmy condor
really depends tbh
brazen gyro
dps wise it is?
rustic gate
because of the cleave you can get.
balmy condor
but I would agree that outlaw is slightly better
brazen gyro
they were talking about a high key that was being streamed and the outlaw was far behind the hunter/mage
so i was wondering if sin scaled better
balmy condor
unless you're running with a very organized group though, I really don't think it matters
brazen gyro
so just to confirm lol, outlaw is higher dps right
balmy condor
not really
they're very similar in terms of dps output
you see outlaw in high keys cause they can stack full vers and have some extra utility in form of gouge and no reliance on vanish
sin needs at least 2-3 severe if they want to do damage
so you'll be able to stack versatiles harder on outlaw
but if we're comparing like +22-24 keys where you don't need to full stack versatiles to survive everything
its really whatever
the damage is similar, the utility is similar enough
brazen gyro
https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Ceuran im having issues going 100k+ in dungeons, i can hover right at 100, i see some pulling 120k+
balmy condor
sin probably even does better boss damage
brazen gyro
wrong channel for that question my bad, im outlaw but cant break the 110k+ barrier so thats why i asked about sin scaling to see if i should switch
balmy condor
mythic slappers are kinda big though
you also don't have a wits looks like
you'd need to get azerite for sin
so I wouldn't suggest it
we play sin in keys cause outlaw can go fuck itself
not because we're meta or big dick dps or whatever
brazen gyro
amen
mental trout
@balmy condor I see you said you’ll need at least 3 severe for sin mythic +. The rest exp3 and throw the severe on crit/ver gear?
balmy condor
for m+ you severe up to 55-60% then strikethroughs
you can go expedient and run a haste set if you want
weaker aoe, stronger priority damage and single target
if you don't have a second set, expedient works everywhere
normal olive
I support that idea
strange python
I see this as a personal attack
balmy condor
rng wannabe warrior Bfa outlaw
strange python
Now I will curse your eyes again
balmy condor
not good
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2MzyXTwrH1QvfKgnoesMvz just for whispyr
normal olive
umbral rapids
Anyone knows how to make details not reset when I vanish ?
mental trout
If some one has logs saved for a mythic + with a sin severe/strike through set I’d love to see it. Interested in the spell break downs
umbral rapids
Yeah
balmy condor
have someone in your party be in combat with you
umbral rapids
Bruh
balmy condor
its this cursed ass channel trying to make me depressed
dire spoke
you should go through the apl for fun and see if it does anything wrong
and then complain in #tc-research
balmy condor
koji would never talk to me again dude
dire spoke
balmy condor
this already feels weird
MFD into nightstalker rupture, only to vanish rupture to pandemic it 4 seconds later?
that can't be right
dire spoke
you actually are bored
dire spoke
it doesn't matter really, just have vend up while doing the big envenoms
balmy condor
you know
this isn't actually all that bad
I was expecting worse
the old nightstalker logic from legion coming in clutch
balmy condor
we played MA
balmy condor
I just looked through the quick sim to see if anything stood out
strange python
FOK ON ST POG
balmy condor
fan_of_knives,if=variable.use_filler&(buff.hidden_blades.stack>=19
pretty sick
if you really want to get on koji's nerves, go complain about how it undersims the opener because simcraft doesn't account for 20 stacks of hidden blades pre-combat
thorn moth
Anyone want to do a toldagor 11
balmy condor
what region/faction
strange python
thorn moth
I need to get in like a heroic clear or do some higher keys
The 7/8/9 arent really givin me anything at this point
strange python
im sure whispyr will help
shadow wedge
cyan bone
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fK2SLhAQMUQXpEAsgfVize Soon I will be 100k 😦
just finished getting r3 bote never going into bgs again
tranquil stirrup
dire spoke
just do in honor weekly