assassination

[lean marten]

another addon

[opal escarp]

Oh

I'll go with the DPS elvui then, and try out this weakauras

Thanks guys 😄

[normal olive]

First the Mechagon ring and now the SS / Clockwork chest

[balmy condor]

hype

[lean marten]

Weakauras puts the rogue UI stuff

like this

https://media.wago.io/screenshots/SJLQKGjMM/5ddbdc518e2af50bc298fb6c.gif

[normal olive]

Today we kill ilgy i feel it

[lean marten]

@opal escarp

[strange python]

OK NAVI WITH THE INSANE RNG DAY

now if only he can get his opener together

[spice spire]

What do you mean? It’s perfection

[opal escarp]

Oh wow that looks good. Thanks @lean marten

[spice spire]

[normal olive]

[strange python]

[normal olive]

Now i only need the helm and i could play 3x SS / 3x EB

[balmy condor]

why are the only 21's on NA horde the ones that I don't need

[spice spire]

But also grats on the sick rng today

[balmy condor]

ffs

[normal olive]

Wanted to just ignore the chest today because it's shit 99% of the time

glad i didn't

[balmy condor]

limit didn't need chests

neither do i

[normal olive]

Can't wait for SL and do 15 +15s each week

[balmy condor]

I already do that

[normal olive]

I do one

okay no i do like 10

forgot the mechagon farm exists

[queen kernel]

Any suggestions for dagger options for a fresh 110?

Is there a crafted 110?

I still have some under leveled legion legendary daggers

[balmy condor]

questing

:)

[lean marten]

get carried in heroic nylotha for wrathion dag

[queen kernel]

I’m 110 🙂

[lean marten]

oh lol

[balmy condor]

all yo shit getting replaced boi

[normal olive]

yeah

[queen kernel]

That sucks. Guess I need to target a quest somewhere that gives an early weapon reward

[lean marten]

100-110 was artifact wep exclusively

[queen kernel]

My legion gear is poor

[balmy condor]

there's a vendor in dazar somewhere

but I can't be asked to find it to tell you where it is

[queen kernel]

Sells blues?

[balmy condor]

greens me thinks

[queen kernel]

Or even greens would likely be better than my artifact

[tranquil stirrup]

For M+ its SS+Echoing blades and full crit without hasate ? ( Atleast thats what i see from top 5 guys in raider.io )

[balmy condor]

blues normally don't exist until the end of questing or dungeons

yes

SS EB crit/vers

[normal olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4PUQ2F5wUi4bRxGWDZwJxE

[tranquil stirrup]

can that same setup work in Raids ? ( it will probably not be the best, but does it stand atleasat somewhere close ? )

[normal olive]

wait it sims higher on 5 minute fights?

[balmy condor]

yes

its fine

[tranquil stirrup]

oh

nice

[balmy condor]

just need to replace the EB

[tranquil stirrup]

yeah

great

for a casual aassasination rogue like me, sound like the best optiono

[balmy condor]

the bomber jacket simming higher on 5 min seems pretty reasonable

[normal olive]

Well guess i have a shit ton of luck today

[lean marten]

go buy a lotto ticket

[normal olive]

Nah if we get a ilgy kill then maybe

Without HoD i lose my 34% crit

[heavy forum]

Sssdss

[balmy condor]

same

[opal escarp]

One more dumb question for you guys, which spec is looking good for rogues next expansion?

In your opinion lol

[normal olive]

Sub

[balmy condor]

they're all fine

I'm leaning sub

but sin seems okay

might just stick with that

depends on how the m+ meta shakes out

[arctic walrus]

that's cap

[balmy condor]

take the channel from me when I die vel

continue the legacy

no life ravenholdt any%

[arctic walrus]

that's cap on kapp

[silent crescent]

I still think sin is gonna be hard underrated bc of whatever bonuses we get from conduits likely favoring sin a bunch

In terms of stuff like bleeds and poison being universal now

[balmy condor]

well also hard depends on how the target cap stuff ends up

I think multi-dot classes will be huge on giga pull m+

gonna be like legion mega pull half the dungeon and just run it back to the start while the aff locks rot everything to hell

but who knows

[heavy forum]

I hope sub will be viable in sl, i love sin but i wanna play both

[normal olive]

Does ilgy have a back side on the organs?

[royal lantern]

probably yes?

dunno lol

[crude jetty]

I have a question about the Logic Loop rings & sims (and given I do not have flexibility with my containments atm)... I have a "If behind..." + sev3 and a "If 3 abilities..." + gem + exp3. Simming gives the 3 abilities ring 1% dps with uptimes of 86% (I notice closer to 65% in my logs) while the if behind ring has an uptime of 96% (which is what I see in my logs). Given the sim difference and real world expectations with the buff.... which ring should I choose?

[rapid whale]

Yo guys i have a question! i have full bis blood build for single target and also for poison! if i look up the rogues with the most parces and stuff like that it seems everyone is playing bluid build! for some reason if i sim my poison build comes out stronger ... any reasons for that ?

[arctic walrus]

well do you have exactly the same gear as the top parsing people? probably not

people like the playstyle more of bleed just because it's something different and new, and also performs better on cleave, so if they're close together you'd still end up going bleed

@crude jetty if it is still 1% higher damage then it doesn't matter the uptime. When expedient comes next week you can just buy it and replace the severe and the behind target ring and it'll outsim

[strange python]

I see full bis blood build

[rapid whale]

aight ty for tip

[strange python]

can u link that?

[rapid whale]

@strange python haha i mean bis Azerite traits

[strange python]

I c

[rapid whale]

but its not based on stats ? that was the question i had tbh

[balmy condor]

whats the question?

why is poison outsimming bleed?

[strange python]

at higher haste exsang often sims higher than tb

yes whispyr

I think that is his question

[balmy condor]

poison will outsim bleed based on a lot of factors tbh

main ones are haste levels, corruptions, and azerite

[arctic walrus]

most of the time you are running 465 bleed azerite but have 480 poison az in your bags

[balmy condor]

yuh

that's a classic

[normal olive]

[charred mango]

anyone know the best way to play with galecallers boon? using the exang build and its hard to work into the rotation cause it doesnt line up well with any of our spells

[balmy condor]

line up with vend, on cd otherwise

stand in it when you hit exsang during vendetta

[charred mango]

so could i macro it into vendetta then? and between vendetta not worry bout lining it up with exang?

[balmy condor]

I have it macro'd

you can cast it whenever as long as you're in it for exsang

the in-between ones are just on CD so you can line up with the next vendetta

[charred mango]

okay

[mystic osprey]

Downed Cara last night. Of course I died on the kill pull. 🙄. Wanted to check out my sanity levels. Anyone know how to pull that up in the logs?

[balmy condor]

resources, alternate power

[strange python]

Did you get your daggy

[solar latch]

do you chads change any essence for mythic hive or nah

[balmy condor]

just the usual blood

[final harbor]

Which dungeons where exang build is viable?

[charred mango]

definitely KIngs Rest and Junkyard cause of the bots

[vast forum]

all

it's viable in all

[charred mango]

i like it in all keys but those are pretty good

[vast forum]

where it's best depends on your grp and key lvl

[wary ice]

exsang build == haste based raid build?

[final harbor]

yes

expedient

[wary ice]

cause u should just basically always be using exsang in dungeons

[final harbor]

bleed

etc

[wary ice]

KR Workshop; I can see haste making junkyard bots good; but fatty EB seems better imo. I havent tested w/3ss 3eb in JY w/ haste set up tho

Siege too

I think its better in Atal during Tyr weeks, or any time you wouldnt lust the left pack at the start

[crimson palm]

ra ruin's dmg is feintable right?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[lime cove]

should I delay my 2nd exsang for my galecallers CD? if my paper math is right it would delay by ~10 secs
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hfXJCygVpP9Y6DmunCM5x

if there is a way to sim for that. I dont know how

[balmy condor]

No

You don’t delay exsang

By delaying second exsang you either delay all your CDs, or you miss an exsang cast

And neither of those are worth the 500 dps from exsang+gale

[lime cove]

wouldn't you be delaying your vanish vend for 3rd exsang since those are 2 mins cd's and 3 exang puts you at the 2min 15sec mark?

[strange python]

but when do u use vanish in opener?

after garote runs out

first garote used from stealt

ik

but that makes it delayed

[lime cove]

8-10 secs after exsang

[strange python]

y

[lime cove]

whenever garrote falls off

[strange python]

so u hold cds for ~8 sec

[balmy condor]

You delay your vendetta vanish for 3rd exsang

But if you delay your 2nd exsang, you also delay your 3rd exsang

So you delay 3rd exsang, which delays vendetta and vanish as well

[lime cove]

gotcha. that was my rotational concern. do I delay vanish for 3rd exsang or empower 2nd exsang with gale

thanks

I knew the answer wasn't both

[balmy condor]

Always always delay for 3rd exsang, if you’re able to take advantage of the cooldown lineups

[lime cove]

I know the guide says use exsang on CD. but i was assuming it was written for plumage vita. not gale vita hence my question. thanks for clarifying!!

[balmy condor]

Np

[vast forum]

on a 2.15 fight it is worth tho

but only play around fight times if you're 100% confident

[balmy condor]

There, happy yoppa? XD

[strange python]

@balmy condor should I just focus on daggers from heroic now?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qZj8bhQHDp9GA51CrCbE7X

And the trinket to replace badge is one from KR I believe or it's not that big of deal?

[balmy condor]

Is that medallion the on use vers one?

[strange python]

itsa pri stat

Agility one.

and u need mecha rings

[balmy condor]

Yeah you need to replace that

Get mecha rings

Then heroic daggers

And spam the shit out of arena/m+ for corruptions

[wind nymph]

s

[strange python]

and then buy exp when it comes to vendor

Oki. Gonna work on Mechagon.

[balmy condor]

Got a week till exped

[strange python]

Tuesday.

I got like 30k gonna do more.

I expect buying about 8-9.

Than probably just farm higher ilvl till prepatch and don't worry about corruption.

[strange lichen]

when does haste start losing some value? with food, i'm sitting @ 78%..then simming, mastery is highest dps increase stat..however, it shows another expedient 3 would be a better dps increase...what am i not understanding?

[balmy condor]

That stat weights is a bad way to sim

[strange python]

@balmy condor so what about proper rotation and opener? Cz seems I'm jucking it up cz I got used to DDx3 build.

[balmy condor]

Pins

[solar latch]

wish me luck on xanesh friends

[strange python]

@balmy condor thx.

[balmy condor]

I’m in this chat often enough, don’t have to ping me every time :P

[vast forum]

@strange lichen it's completely normal for a different stat to sim the highest but expedient to be better than amp of that stat

look at it this way: the fact that haste isn't simming high means that you have a lot of it already and not a lot of other stats

this means that if you get an expedient you get more haste points than you would get mastery points if you used a masterful

so even if 1 point of haste is worth less, the total amount of haste you get from an additional expedient is worth more dps than a masterful or a severe

also, expedient amps your vita and overwhelming power procs

and galecaller if you're using it

also all the haste essences

if we had as many mastery essences and trinkets and 3rd ring traits, maybe masterful would be the way to go but that's just not the case

[balmy condor]

^ that but I’m lazy

Also stat weight bad

[strange lichen]

Make sense, kind of what I was thinking...thank u for the help!

[vast forum]

stat weights are good if you use them the way they're meant to be used 😄

the problem is, they're unintuitive

[balmy condor]

How are they useful

What information does stat weights give you

That a top gear cannot

If you really wanted to be gung-ho about your stat numbers, I can see the appeal of a stat plot

But stat weights?

[cyan bone]

Is there any possible way to get 4 garrotes off in subterfuge?

[balmy condor]

I think with time dilation effects it’s possible

And there was a weird bug a while ago

But not normally, no

[cyan bone]

Okay

[vast forum]

stat weights take much less time than top gear with all gem combinations

i don't have time to sit around for 20 minutes per sim and sometimes with the amount of sockets and gear options, i need to sim 2-3 times

but yea, if you're strictly looking at accuracy, top gear or gear compare are the best obviously

[balmy condor]

just from ease, sure

but even then you're gonna be min-maxing gems and stuff

which requires accuracy, using a very broad generalization

doesn't seem very worth imo

[strange python]

use stat weights for food 😄

[balmy condor]

4head

[strange python]

?

if u need to know rq stat weight works for food?

[balmy condor]

yeah but that's a much quicker sim anyway

and it still has the same inaccuracy problems that a stat weight would give you for something like gems

[strange python]

obviously not as good no but it works

I use the advanced sim one myself

[balmy condor]

the chad way to sim it

[strange python]

for pots/food

[vast forum]

thing is, if you have an empty socket, and 1 stat is simming WAY higher than the other 3, you're usually safe to use that gem

like 99.9% of the time

[balmy condor]

ye

if you have 1 stat way higher then its fine

because the fact that its such an outlier counteracts the inaccuracy

[lean marten]

https://medium.com/raidbots/beware-of-stat-weights-240769a5323e

[balmy condor]

that's all true

me and yoppa are having a bit more gritty conversation about the use-cases

that article basically just says "its inaccurate and here's why"

but yoppa definitely has a good point in the quick easy usage for it

[rough agate]

is the thing about mut 3cp and 34% crit true?

[balmy condor]

34% crit is a meme

not sure what the 3cp mut thing is

[rough agate]

ok

[lean marten]

its still counter-intuitive to try and "min/max" with imprecise information imo

[balmy condor]

that's my point

[lean marten]

kinda shooting urself in the foot lol

[lone junco]

if anyone wanted to see what happens at a certain crit threshold, they can graph the sim from crit 30% to crit 40% in 0.1% steps and see the resultant dps graph, and watch it result in a linear gain without some weird bump.

use desktop simc for that.

stuff like this

see that crit capping at 100% has a break.

[marble hemlock]

certainly has an effect on gameplay feel though

[lone junco]

current exang graphing of haste will be neat with some weird responses where it is capping due to full E

sure.

I just like graphs and data. helps when you describe feels when they match the numbers.

@marble hemlock have you been raiding still? and if so, do you run the high crit builds? I always enjoyed 75%+ crit for st. but gear is dumpster this tier.

[marble hemlock]

yeah

its trash

compared to expedient stack

[vast forum]

it feels trash and does trash damage

[lone junco]

like -5%?

[vast forum]

not that i tried it, i'm just too used to being gcd capped 😄

i don't ever want to not play expedient again

[lone junco]

I enjoyed slow legion. pooling for clipping EP was good times imo

no need mash and break my keys for the same damage.

[patent topaz]

soon its just chill 30 apm, not too bad

[lone junco]

bros. I may not level rogue for SL. and that makes me sad.

[vast forum]

i do generally agree that lower apm assa is more skillful

@lone junco traitor 😡

[lone junco]

been heal main for about 2 years now.

[patent topaz]

beta downloading an update

[lean marten]

thats one of the reasons im swapping. super hasted xang build is so fun i dont want to grind to a halt in SL

[patent topaz]

I suspect ill play sub for leveling and early SL

[vast forum]

from my short experience on the beta

assa is decently high apm

[lone junco]

i love Restodruid. Moonkin is good enough. Feral big meh. but wont be able to maintain rogue as well just for fun

[vast forum]

cuz bone spikes are 10 energy and give CPs

good filler ability

[lone junco]

WW is really weird, not a fan.

[patent topaz]

ill do rogue + hunter/warlock

will see

[strange python]

Based on guide, for Expedient build I don't refresh bleeds under Excenguinate duration as I never refresh empowered garrote? To clarify...

[vast forum]

and i'm currently using blindside

on single target

[lone junco]

and hpal has gone sideways. probably wont level that.

[vast forum]

so it increases apm but might not end up being a dps gain

[lean marten]

never overwrite Subt garrotes or Xang bleeds

let them tick out

[strange python]

Oki.

Thx.

Didn't know that and was refreshing it on 2-1 sec usually.

[lean marten]

yeah clipping them is a loss

u can pandemic refresh any other time

[lone junco]

@strange python the last tick of exang is a bit bigger than the others, you want to let it go off. then replace.

[scarlet sequoia]

[normal olive]

It's Navi opener time

[balmy condor]

its definitely not that

[normal olive]

this one hurt deeply

pressing 2 instead of 1

[balmy condor]

as opposed to the other openers, which also hurt deeply

[normal olive]

200% haste snapshot wasted

Who needs to stealth before pull anyway

[lone junco]

@balmy condor am I missing a meme?

[normal olive]

wanna go on a journey?

[balmy condor]

navi's openers are awful

and they hurt me

he makes painful openers just to torment us

[normal olive]

[normal olive]

Is that yours?

[lone junco]

yeah, super old though.

[strange python]

sick navi opener I see

[normal olive]

oh mine are from our ilgy progress today

[lone junco]

was from legion with the cheap garrotes. I was using them to get 6cp finishers. wasnt horrible. wasnt a gain.

[normal olive]

only 3 fucked openers in 23 pulls

[strange python]

u mean only 3 navi openers in 23 pulls?

[normal olive]

Yes

Some pulls with cd's on cd don't count

That's why it's only 3

[lone junco]

ooo +2E

was a meme until it wasnt.

[normal olive]

[lone junco]

made for big fok E.

in high crit keys

[scarlet sequoia]

akaari's soul has to be the most dog shit artifact trait ever

great that its back

[normal olive]

What does it do

[normal olive]

oh

[lean marten]

ah yes, the DH legendary for SL

[normal olive]

Wait is that legion stuff?

[lone junco]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=317272/more-rogue-legendary-runecarving-powers-added-in-shadowlands-build-35432?webhook

seems too similar to the other wrists.

but Maybe its like snake. big fast chops

[sacred yarrow]

Not gona lie I like that pistol shot one

[lone junco]

thats 4 cps or more with Broadsides

will be weird.

[sacred yarrow]

But that at least feels like outlaw flavour

[lone junco]

could bring back a free Cannon Ball Barrage. pew pew pew

big flavor there

but youd never use over the ps stuff. cause it pumps through blade flurry as well as st.

this gives me flash backs of Legion sub, where everything is stacked in the double dance symbol. add another 10% to that

this wont count as a bleed toward E generation in cleave will it?

cause it doesnt say single target cp gen. so were talking fok spam gets bleeds.

shoulders too strong for keys though. oy.

[lean marten]

cannon barrage talent when

[thin gate]

Guys NP is nature damage poison, is it affected by mastery and master poisoner?

[strange python]

think NP is only affected by vers

[thin gate]

no haste tho?

[strange python]

Mby?

I really don't know

[thin gate]

ok

[strange python]

probably though

I can test

[vast forum]

it is affected

[lean marten]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=286581/nothing-personal#modified-by

[vast forum]

by all 4 stats

[lean marten]

doesnt say the talent

but does say mastery

[vast forum]

master poisoner no

stats, yes

and TB yes

it's not a weapon poison so mp doesn't buff it

it's very simple 🙂

[thin gate]

@vast forum so haste mastery crit and versa affect it right?

[strange python]

yes

[vast forum]

yes

[thin gate]

mastery and versa flat dps increase haste for gcd and crit for crit rate

ok

tyvm

@vast forum u think IF > Stats?

[vast forum]

IF?

[thin gate]

IT

sorry

ineffable truth

[vast forum]

IT is shit

[thin gate]

aight

[vast forum]

literally useless on assa

[thin gate]

aight

yh just TB and vednetta affected lel

[devout fiber]

@balmy condor combo for ST pve is : stealth > Garrote > rupture >garrote right?

[normal olive]

With SS yes

[thin gate]

@devout fiber i think it was garrote rupture garrote mutilate rupture vendetta bote

[devout fiber]

What do u do if ur already at 5 CP

[tribal marlin]

Imagine playing horde

imagine playing Mantle in keys and be a stupid blood elf

[devout fiber]

Wait

[tribal marlin]

Imagine not having shadowmeld

[devout fiber]

@thin gate

no envenom?

Garrote rupture garrote mutilate rupture?

[tribal marlin]

hahahahaha YES shadowmeld + 3x SS was a thing surely, but believe me it's nothing compare to Shadowmeld Mantle

was the craziest shit ever

[strange python]

@devout fiber are you talking about openers?

[devout fiber]

yh

[strange python]

they're in pins

[thin gate]

@tribal marlin i cant wait for the legendary legion shoulders in Shadowlands

Gimme those 100% crit openers with mastery stack

[somber fractal]

is mantle gonna be better than dashing scoundrel?

seems pretty strong

[vast forum]

we won't know

until preliminary sims are up

and then heroic tuning turns everything upside down

[royal lantern]

and then mythic tuning

but there is a high chance for ma too be good because,well,its MA

[quasi pewter]

they are

[tribal ivy]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rough yarrow]

is there a point in crit for m+ that u just dont feed crit anymore? i mean with 80% passive i should get more mastery right?

[balmy condor]

around 55-60% with food

and then you get vers

crit/vers for m+

you severe till that 55-60%

and then strikethrough corrupts

and vers off

[proud horizon]

I need to know if I need to leave my guild - I’m being told to switch to Outlaw if I want to do +9 mythics or higher 😐 is this a thing lol

[balmy condor]

nope

[normal olive]

wat

[proud horizon]

Yeah

[balmy condor]

https://raider.io/characters/us/zuljin/Ryfie

link them this

and tell them to shut up

[proud horizon]

I sent them to Ryfies channel

[rough yarrow]

leave your guild anyway

[proud horizon]

Oh I’ll show you

[rough yarrow]

😛

[proud horizon]

“He’s dogshit damage on trash” dude what

[balmy condor]

bruh

[shy dust]

EB/CT/Garrote for cleave

[proud horizon]

I’m so fucking irritated

[balmy condor]

those guys are actually dumb as rocks

lmao

[normal olive]

[proud horizon]

They won’t stop saying how the comp of his team is the reason why he’s good

[harsh sphinx]

[proud horizon]

And if I wanna raid with them I’ll need to switch

[balmy condor]

are you guys doing a key?

[normal olive]

wait

they want you to switch to oulaw even for raids?

[balmy condor]

NA horde perhaps?

get me in there

[proud horizon]

Yes as it’s “optimal”

[normal olive]

wtf xD

[harsh sphinx]

[proud horizon]

Fuck I wish @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

outlaw is trash in raids lmao

[proud horizon]

Slap him around a little bit

THANK YOU.

Our “leader” rogue is Bacstabath

[balmy condor]

hol up i'm looking up this clown

[proud horizon]

I’m so ripshit

[normal olive]

[proud horizon]

I recognize my dps is bad, I’m still learning but fuck guys you aren’t God 😡

[balmy condor]

[normal olive]

[harsh sphinx]

for boss dmg

[normal olive]

Tell him to switch off rogue

[balmy condor]

bruh he missing the timer on a 9

[fleet whale]

Do those people still think poison bomb does a lot of damage?

[fleet whale]

what is this legion?

[balmy condor]

his recent timed runs

[proud horizon]

Saving the fuck out of that

[balmy condor]

go back to MAY

[normal olive]

Just leave the guild tbh

[proud horizon]

Really? Ugh

[fleet whale]

they are probably just naive tbh

[balmy condor]

he has 3 timed keys since april

[proud horizon]

I just want to fucking LEARN aodbwjiwhenjOwnwosbwmaihswk

[balmy condor]

who the fuck is this guy

to tell you

what m+ meta is

[proud horizon]

But the other part of me...

[rough yarrow]

he has 1k io score. hes da boss

[loud light]

to be fair maybe YOU don't know what the +9 meta is

[proud horizon]

Wants to stay in the guild and wipe the floor with him in SL

[normal olive]

even i have 2k and i fucking hate m+

[fleet whale]

the main perk for outlaw is that it is easier to gear for M+

[balmy condor]

wait hold up

he hasn't even done awakening

like he's never timed a key

with the season mechanic

[proud horizon]

My io is only 800 something

[balmy condor]

oh wait

[proud horizon]

But I’m a new player

[balmy condor]

maybe

idk tell him to fuck himself and transfer to horde

[loud light]

well yeah they don't have an outlaw rogue how could they do keys this season 🤔

[balmy condor]

[low girder]

outlaw rogue double BM is the only viable comp

🙃

[proud horizon]

I’m just so 😤

[balmy condor]

shows maturity

mannnnnn

[proud horizon]

RIGHT

[balmy condor]

that's some fucking gaslighting

holy shit

[harsh sphinx]

[proud horizon]

THE CONDESCENCION

[normal olive]

[proud horizon]

OR HOWEVER YOU SPELL IT

[balmy condor]

condensation

[normal olive]

The audacity

[proud horizon]

lmao thank u

The audacity is better

The sheer unadulterated GALL

[rough yarrow]

whats the name of the guild? to lazy to search

[balmy condor]

https://raider.io/characters/us/baelgun/Bacstabath

[proud horizon]

Ay now don’t get me in trouble

[loud light]

we're not all being trolled, right? like yes, you need the right comp to fight an assn rogue in m+ when you get to like +24 or something

[balmy condor]

thats the guild lead

lmao

[proud horizon]

Not the guild lead

[rough yarrow]

nvm got it

[proud horizon]

He’s the one teaching me how to be a rogue

[balmy condor]

@proud horizon did you mention that sin was played in MDI and outlaw wasn't

[proud horizon]

Idk what that means

[normal olive]

Mythic Dungeon Invitational

[balmy condor]

MDI is the competitive m+ tournament

[proud horizon]

I haven’t played this game since 2012 and I was a really bad Druid

[loud light]

that is a pretty bad argument also, just in general

[normal olive]

or was the I changed?

[loud light]

it's international now

[balmy condor]

yeah but these guys are fucking idiots

[normal olive]

ah

[balmy condor]

they'll take it

[rough yarrow]

51 mins +9 shrine. oh boy

[loud light]

just a TIP, maybe don't learn rogue from this guy

[proud horizon]

He won’t let me in on +9 tonight unless I switch to outlaw

[balmy condor]

oh noooo......

not a +9.....

[sullen pagoda]

jesus

[proud horizon]

Yeah thank you 😞

[sullen pagoda]

wut

[balmy condor]

whatever will she do

[sullen pagoda]

you can go naked in +9 and probably time it

[normal olive]

timing a +9 is hard ok?

[harsh sphinx]

to be blunt i would leave asap

[proud horizon]

Pug it at this point

[balmy condor]

I would as well

[low girder]

wait he's using a void trinket

[balmy condor]

find a new guild

[rough yarrow]

dude come tomorrow and ill get u ona +15 and u can play sub rogue if u want rolf

[low girder]

why does his opinion on anything matter

[proud horizon]

Come where? PLEASE

[balmy condor]

to horde

[rough yarrow]

oh w8 your NA?

[balmy condor]

[proud horizon]

Fuck my liiiife

I’m a human rogue for ally lmao

How the fuck would I switch to horde

[rough yarrow]

pay 25 dollars

[normal olive]

Belf Rogue is the best

[sullen pagoda]

i mean just find pugs

[normal olive]

noone can change my mind

[proud horizon]

Belves are cute. I picked human cause I liked the bonuses lol

[rough yarrow]

yes we r the cute master race

[proud horizon]

I’m not being trolled right

[normal olive]

nope

Atm Blood elf isn't that great because of the haste

but whenever we lose that it's gonna be good again

[balmy condor]

the cleanse is still good in m+

[normal olive]

yeah

but we lose a pretty big part of the spell

[sullen pagoda]

i mean races dont really matter except belf dispell which is the most giga shit ever

[balmy condor]

^

[normal olive]

i miss the silence tbh

[balmy condor]

they tried to nerf the silence

and instead buffed it

[normal olive]

[rough yarrow]

w8 this guy is on discord i think rolf

[proud horizon]

Plz don’t

[balmy condor]

in this discord?

[rough yarrow]

yea

[sullen pagoda]

ye some dungeons have really wipe making mob buffs

[normal olive]

oh god

[balmy condor]

[sullen pagoda]

dispell is yuge

[rough yarrow]

unless coincidence

[balmy condor]

but ye don't @ him

that's kinda mega fucked

stirring the pot

[rough yarrow]

we atrract all the special ppl in this discord

[sullen pagoda]

i swear

[rough yarrow]

i wont im not a dick

[sullen pagoda]

the lower level is the guild

the more drama and random elitism

[balmy condor]

facts

[sullen pagoda]

like that need outlaw to +9

[proud horizon]

😔 I thought I found some really cool people that I got along with

[balmy condor]

full socketed gear or kicked from my normal raden prog

[normal olive]

kek

[rough yarrow]

just satrt low with friends and start climbing. who cares just enjoy. not like u r running+25 keys

start

[balmy condor]

^

[normal olive]

yeah espacially if you are new

[balmy condor]

live your life

do a navi opener

just for the thrill

[normal olive]

[proud horizon]

I’m gonna stay for now, it just sucks I’m gonna have to pug m+ to stay geared

[low girder]

blood elf 1% crit helps you hit that magical 34%

(i'm sorry)

[balmy condor]

yeah m+ is fun though when you do it with friends

[rough yarrow]

here we go again about 34

[normal olive]

i'm at 33%

[balmy condor]

34 is the meme

[normal olive]

gotta farm those last 3 sockets

and hit that 34%

[rough yarrow]

im on 30% plz purge me from discord. im heretic

[balmy condor]

im 58%

wait

[normal olive]

delete your rogue

now

[rough yarrow]

in m+ spec?

[balmy condor]

perhaps

[normal olive]

Yeah he is running m+ spec

[rough yarrow]

amateur

[balmy condor]

well

don't look now navi

we're running workshop with haste set

[normal olive]

Well i have your stream open

[balmy condor]

o unlucky

[rough yarrow]

its the end of exp u can do anything u want

noone judging

[normal olive]

just without sound

i'm saving for my IT set

so yeah

[sullen pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/kGZYnnd.png

[normal olive]

[rough yarrow]

if i be arsed to run vision one day ill reach 80

[normal olive]

I have 20 visions in my bags

[arctic walrus]

@spice cedar if you're not inviting someone over a +9 on their spec, I'd probably kick you too

[normal olive]

oh no

[low girder]

i run sub 40 because i cba dealing with ghosts

can't hit 80% 😦

[sullen pagoda]

i havent done assaults on my rogue in like 3 weeks i think

[rough yarrow]

less toxicity plz

[sullen pagoda]

i gave up on this expansion

just logging for riad

[rough yarrow]

who hasnt gave up

[normal olive]

I didn't

i'm progressing ilgy

[sullen pagoda]

jesus that echoing void, TA flames minor, whatever is the name leaf trait

[rough yarrow]

i only do daily wqs for the neck. yea yea i know im weird

[low girder]

void titanshard

[sullen pagoda]

and hes talking about traits

specs*

[normal olive]

Wait you guys aren't stacking Scent?

[dire spoke]

some outlaw players must be just butthurt hunters who like SV but it's shit so they play outlaw and pretend

[rough yarrow]

wait u apply ruptures?

[normal olive]

Survival is fun af

[rough yarrow]

i though g1>g2>g3 was the play

[dire spoke]

yeah

and shit

[normal olive]

i thought that's a peak opener

[proud horizon]

🤷🏻‍♀️

[low girder]

extending the exsanguinated garrote

[rough yarrow]

peak is certainly the right word

[low girder]

that's how it works right

[dire spoke]

lmao

[low girder]

huge brain

[normal olive]

Just a typical Navi stroke opener

[proud horizon]

Guess I’m guild hunting again, thanks for the advice guys.

[balmy condor]

np

[rough yarrow]

follow navi on wowprogess raider io and only fans. he will make u 3k gladiator

[dire spoke]

we take community members anytime on EU 🙂

[normal olive]

nah pvp isn't mine

[arctic walrus]

@proud horizon does this dude actively play the game

[rough yarrow]

with that opener?

[normal olive]

i can make you a 6k rio mythic raider tho

[rough yarrow]

shame thast at leat 3k in a week

[normal olive]

wanna see my pvp opener?

Shadhar shit his pants after hitting him with it

[proud horizon]

Yes he does @arctic walrus but I’m not trying to be mean

[rough yarrow]

lier shadar has no pants

[proud horizon]

I’m just tired of it.

[normal olive]

trust me

he didn't know what hit him

[rough yarrow]

that ph is 5head play

[dire spoke]

cloak evasion everything

[rough yarrow]

only ppl with 312 iq could think of that

pk*

[normal olive]

71k top dmg opener btw

[low girder]

my favourite part is the kidney into PK into 1cp rupture

[proud horizon]

Is that a guild @dire spoke ?

[rough yarrow]

that opener is so good that he didnt even force a dr

teach me senpai

[proud horizon]

I didn’t even know I could follow people lol @rough yarrow

[normal olive]

I'm the god of openers

can't wait for SL

[proud horizon]

Now I feel like I’m being trolled lol

[normal olive]

Don't look at my openers and follow them

just a small tip

[proud horizon]

Lmfao ty

[dire spoke]

I was halfway joking @proud horizon 😂 we're a german guild with a decent community-pool, but you'll probably be happier in a non-mythic progress guild I guess?

[normal olive]

What guild

[low girder]

look and navi's openers as things not to do

at*

my brain doesn't work today

[proud horizon]

I just want to be able to do a +15 without being carried

[shrewd night]

Imagine not playing outlaw in +9s tatsu. Pure inting.

[proud horizon]

That’s my fucking goal in WoW life

[dire spoke]

You can look up any info through my profile Navi

[arctic walrus]

well you're definitely not gonna be getting a 15 done with these kinds of people

[cerulean walrus]

Really shooting for the stars aren't you?

[proud horizon]

Yeah, I left

[cerulean walrus]

[shrewd night]

Ye, zempais a clicker. Dont trust his advice.

[proud horizon]

😂

[normal olive]

I'm also a clicker

[shrewd night]

Explains a bit

[normal olive]

[harsh sphinx]

👏 you'll be thankful you did later

[proud horizon]

I don’t even know what clicker means lol

[cerulean walrus]

[proud horizon]

Y’all need to speak to me like I’m brand new cause I am 😂

[cerulean walrus]

Lacking extremely critical information

[arctic walrus]

I'd rather be a clicker than a num padder

[strange python]

clicker means you never learned to play the game

[cerulean walrus]

L E F T H A N D WASD R I G H T H A N D NUMBER PAD

[normal olive]

now i feel attacked

[proud horizon]

Lmfaoooo I’m too high for this shit

[zenith glen]

Hello , I'm working on haste build for my rogue but Sims keep telling me to replace all gems and enchants to crit... What's the reason for it ? Does raidbots not sim for haste build ?

[arctic walrus]

good you should feel bad

[normal olive]

clicker means you click your spells

and not use keybinds

[proud horizon]

Oh fuck that

[normal olive]

everyone hates me

[proud horizon]

I’d be too slow

[dire spoke]

[crimson palm]

And what's the name if you use a steering wheel?

[normal olive]

a wheeler

[shy dust]

Gotta be efficient and click from the spell book

[dire spoke]

I'm really good with my fingers you must know

[strange python]

clickers are notorious for clicking their spells directly from the spellbook

[normal olive]

uhm... yeah

about that

i sometimes do that

[proud horizon]

Wait for real?!

How is that efficient

[normal olive]

When i forget to put shit on my bars xD

[strange python]

well you see

[proud horizon]

In any way possible

[strange python]

it isnt

[proud horizon]

Ever

[cerulean walrus]

The most effective way to play is to /cast your abilities

[shrewd night]

If you use german game client, all the dps spells are listed one after the other, which is really fucking good for clickers.

[cerulean walrus]

[strange python]

mages have to play like that, rogues dont

[dire spoke]

internet 1x1 don't believe everything on the internet

[proud horizon]

I’m definitely getting trolled rn

[cerulean walrus]

[shrewd night]

[cerulean walrus]

[sullen pagoda]

mages mastered opening spell book cuz non of them want to bind remove curse u know not a dps gain

[dire spoke]

I'm going to stream my hybrid clicking again next tier just to make people angery

[normal olive]

I'm in

[dire spoke]

hit the bell

subscribe

[arctic walrus]

I click shit that I dont use very often

[low girder]

poisons and shroud

basically the only things for me

[normal olive]

I click stuff like cd's and defensives

[shy dust]

?

[strange python]

fuck navi stop

where does it end

[normal olive]

i legit do that

[strange python]

fix 1 thing until shadowlands

[normal olive]

Did that since bc

i'm trying to get into keybinds ok?

[arctic walrus]

have you been saying that for the last 12 years or

[normal olive]

Now that i talk about that i wanted to change them

[arctic walrus]

[normal olive]

Nah i started using keybinds like 2 weeks ago

[shy dust]

12 years to bind vendetta to something

[normal olive]

I'm gonna unbind everything besides wasd

[low girder]

wasn't vendetta like cata

wait cata was 11 years ago

fml

10*

[proud horizon]

Do you click to stealth?

[harsh sphinx]

link UI

[normal olive]

stealth is alt 1 for me atleast something i don't click

[dire spoke]

https://www.twitch.tv/simonderdude/clip/SneakyTangentialJuiceBrokeBack

suffer

[normal olive]

It's so weird not having the camera turn on a and d

[strange python]

i bet ellaire doesnt click

be more like ellaire

[sullen pagoda]

jesus zempai

fix that

[normal olive]

That's the same shit i do KEKW

God damit Whispyr the moment i open your stream you die

Just wanted so see your WA

[dire spoke]

his WA are poop I have one of them

[normal olive]

gonna try to use a WA now

since i change everything anyway

[dire spoke]

okay doode now you're even triggering me

[normal olive]

what

[dire spoke]

clicking is one thing but no weakauras

[normal olive]

Like i see everything i need when i'm in combat

the cp WA is the best

[dire spoke]

you think you do

[strange python]

do you like looking down

[dire spoke]

but you dont

[normal olive]

having my bars further up just feels awkward

or however that shit is spelled

Anyone wanna hit me up with their keybinds for some inspiration?

[odd python]

any1 has any usefull auras for beta

[strange python]

r,f,c,t,g,v (+all of them shift, +all of them ctrl) same for 1-5, some f1-5

[sullen pagoda]

@normal olive

[normal olive]

ty

[sullen pagoda]

mine are giga messy but they work

xD

[normal olive]

Yeah just trying to get some input on what people use

since i'm never changed anything besides like alt, shift and crtr + numbers

[crimson palm]

All you need is a scroll wheel and a cast sequence

[dire spoke]

lol

[lone junco]

The default UI player frame has CPs on it.

[dire spoke]

it's horrible

[lone junco]

Just move that down

Big brain.

[dire spoke]

xd

[strange python]

take som inspiration simpai and stop clicking

[dire spoke]

people love their NO WHITESPACE interfaces

[normal olive]

Like that WA is way to much clutter

[strange python]

wdym no whitespace

[normal olive]

[harsh sphinx]

need to just get rid of that coral WA overlapping with stuff or move it

[dire spoke]

why does everything have to stick together, it's bad

[normal olive]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

do wa's help you not get hit by mechanics

asking for a friend

[strange python]

its just easier to align

[sullen pagoda]

easier to see when everything is right there

[strange python]

when it all sticks together

[normal olive]

No they don'T

[sullen pagoda]

so yeah u get hit by mechanics less by paying less attention

[normal olive]

i use WA's and get hit by everything

[dire spoke]

lol

[sullen pagoda]

mistake i see lots of people do is

they overcomplicate their WAs

so they are just making it harder than not even using any

[normal olive]

Okay i have WASD bound and nothing else

time to be a real clicker

[strange python]

https://i.imgur.com/AEJFrVY.png

i need to clean that up

some day

[shut garnet]

why is deeper on ur wa

[balmy condor]

MFD

and then it probably switches

[strange python]

it goes to mfd

[shut garnet]

interesting

[strange python]

its lost space i guess

[normal olive]

That one looks clean

[strange python]

i just found it on wago and modified it

[dire spoke]

fix my printer pls

[normal olive]

No printer, just straight fax

God it's so weird using more then numbers for spells

[strange python]

idk how it started but ive never used 12345 for abilities in games

it just feels weird

[normal olive]

Yeah nah fuck q and e keybinds those are my movement keys xD

[sudden trench]

This was mine a month ago. I do habe some more weakauras that you cant see now tho.https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/207746706337562624/712827981801979975/unknown.png?width=1623&height=911

[normal olive]

Doesn't show any keybinds

oh that's the wa

[sudden trench]

Dont need to see keybinds :)

[normal olive]

[rancid bobcat]

wheres q and e

[crimson palm]

Strafe

[strange python]

ye

i need to be able to do wqs with 1 hand

[normal olive]

i only use q and e as movement

[rancid bobcat]

then what's A and D

[normal olive]

well now they are keybinds

before that i just never really used them

But what is my fishing keybind supposed to be now

[wide ridge]

for dungeons with low trash this week, like workshop and KR, what are you guys running for high keys? haste build?

or crit+vers+severe+strikethrough is still worth using despite having low trash

[sudden trench]

Outlaw :)

[wide ridge]

damn i wish outlaw wasn't so garbage to play

[sudden trench]

Tbh i thought it was when i swapped. And now i enjoy it. Just have to play it bec of control

[normal olive]

Imagine rolling 50 times before doing dmg

[sudden trench]

Not actually the case. You do damage regardless. And you have a pretty high chance of getting something that works. Anyway i will keep it out of sin disc :)

You can run your raid build in those keys

Expedient build works. But tbh just stick with strike and sev

[scarlet sequoia]

[stable fern]

@proud horizon Kinda bad to lie about what happens

[normal olive]

[dire spoke]

imagine joining a discord just to post that in a spec discussion channel

[normal olive]

No need for drama here

[strange python]

please explain your side of the story

dont get distracted

[stable fern]

Would you like screenshots?

[strange python]

yes

[normal olive]

shit about to go down

[proud horizon]

Guess I’m a liar 😂

[normal olive]

I think that's a good start

[strange python]

probably yea

but go on a dummy do you thing and try moving at the same time

[normal olive]

yeah that's what i did while making em

to see what's works

[strange python]

i find it awkward to move and press 1 all the time for example

[low girder]

yeah that's why i have mut on 2 personally

easier to move for me

[normal olive]

For me the problem is hitting 2 and moving

[spice cedar]

I am not one to start drama, but i am disappointed how this turned out. If anyone wishes to see to what happened you can message me private, no need to spread my guilds discussion in a public forum. @proud horizon Not once did i say you cant come into any of our guild groups to run. We actually have made groups specifically for you to help you. I never once stated you needed to switch specs to stay in our guild or run with us. All i was getting at and many others was giving you some advise to switch to Outlaw and try it. Reason why you might see success pugging, instead of getting kicked. We did everything we can to help suppport you and get you up and going as a new player. I will be the FIRST to say i am not a pro at being a Rogue, but for the content i am pushing and focusing on, i say i have success. Our guild is not a hardcore cutting edge guild and we focus on pushing heroic casually with the players we have. I am sorry we didnt work out for you, and i do hope you find success else where. It is not my style to bash someone in a public forum, so if you feel like talking again, i am open to discuss.

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

well it is true that gearing and starting out as outlaw is easier

especially for m+

[proud horizon]

Not how it was portrayed to me at all, or how I’ve been spoken to over voice mult times now, but it doesn’t really matter to me at this point

[stable fern]

It was portrayed that way. I witnessed it.

[proud horizon]

Okay 🤷🏻‍♀️

[stable fern]

If you did not understand it or took it incorrectly, then that is very unfortunate.

[shrewd night]

Can yall like

Idk

Sort this out in private?

[proud horizon]

Not? 😂

[crimson palm]

No pls drama

Gimme

[arctic walrus]

this aint a rogue issue chiefs

[crimson palm]

🍆

[shrewd night]

@crimson palm

[dire spoke]

Just rename the channel @shrewd night smh

[crimson palm]

[proud horizon]

You guys 😂

[strange python]

make this #drama channel

[proud horizon]

Start yelling Jerry