Yes. Sub is a wilderness too me and always has been
#assassination
queen kernel
balmy condor
sin is very easy
but if you're coming from havoc, our utility is actually fairly similar
you have your interrupt, single target stun, and then havoc has an aoe stun, while outlaw has gouge
queen kernel
Maybe I would just need tons of practice to get stuff to be second nature
balmy condor
practice makes everything better
on paper though, havoc and outlaw/sin aren't too different in terms of complexity
queen kernel
I’ve got Havoc down now and can use my imprison even in combat as an interrupt and stuff like that
balmy condor
yeah so imprison would basically be blind in combat
I would say that's well over a 'beginner' rogue
queen kernel
I just wish they had never torn up combat. I loved that spec
balmy condor
if you can imprison in combat and perform decently enough, rogue is very easily doable with a bit of practice
queen kernel
Ok. Maybe I will dust him off. He’s sitting at 110. I usually just get him to cap each expac out of. Sentimentality as much as anything.
torpid helm
what azerite traits do i want for pvp assass?
balmy condor
1x SS at least, TTK, and NP are both good
queen kernel
@balmy condor thanks for the encouragement
balmy condor
but I'm no expert
#pvp would be the place for that
@queen kernel :) no problem
just try it out, do a few at a time, try and keep similar utility on similar keybinds
and with a bit of practice, you'll get it in no time
torpid helm
does np stack?
queen kernel
Fortunately I’ve got my keybinds based on function across all my classes so I will know where everything is
balmy condor
TTK, the damage stacks, the duration does not
SS, the damage stacks, the combo points do not
etc etc
balmy condor
hey now
queen kernel
Except stealth lol
Not sure where to put that
balmy condor
don't scare him off
I have stealth on `
the button to the left of 1
I know some people put it on numpad keys and mouse buttons or function keys
queen kernel
Tilde! That’s what I was thinking
I don’t currently use that key for much so it wouldn’t mess up my other characters binds
Gonna fire it up tonight!
Biscuits has predicted failure for my feeble brain though 🙂
uncut schooner
Rogue is a lot of fun once you get into it, satisfying when you nail your opener and just watch the numbers go zoom.
Navi no.
queen kernel
Honestly, the biggest reason I left it all those years ago is because I was terrible with it in pvp.
Being mongo arms in vanilla, I could never master the delicacy and precision required to be good at rogue PvP
balmy condor
NAVI I LOOK AWAY FOR 3 SECONDS
queen kernel
I don’t care what people said about world or rogue craft and naked rogues dominating, I could never do it
balmy condor
rogue in pvp is definitely fairly difficult
queen kernel
Mongo brain
uncut schooner
I still think PvP is a different kettle o' fish compared to how you play with it in PvE.
balmy condor
yeah
if you have the pve side down, pvp is just a couple extra buttons and knowing how pvp works
but its not that bad
uncut schooner
I think the hardest thing for PvP is just understanding the classes/comps you're up against too.
normal olive
i feel attacked 
queen kernel
I lacked the patience in PvP. After 3 years of arms in WSG, AB snd AV, I was used to just smashing my face against enemies.
By the time I finished raiding in TBC on my rogue and went to try PvP, I just couldn’t stop face tanking and even as combat that was obviously a terrible idea as a rogue
But now that Blizz has largely ignored PvP as a supported form of content I guess it won’t matter that much as I’ve been more focused on PVE since BFA started
uncut schooner
I'm no PvP expert so I can't really explain the Assa side of stuff (though I've been dabbling in it recently). But I do feel like in PvE at least the spec is a lot of fun, can take a little while to get used to depending on where you're coming from but is very rewarding when you do it "right."
queen kernel
I keep hearing that it’s “slower” spec for PVE, which appeals to me because it allows me to be more focused on situational awareness.
If I try it, that’s my hope anyway
balmy condor
it will be
queen kernel
Specs that require me to be a master pianist cycling through 27 abilities sometimes RBG’s up with me standing in the fire too long or missing a soak I’m supposed to be handling
Some items “ends up”. Damn autocorrect thinks I’m in a battleground apparantly
uncut schooner
The way I'd sum it is its a relatively relaxed pace, but hard hitting spec that rewards correct rotational play and awareness (i.e. knowing how to time burst phases, when downtime is incoming, etc.). I feel like its pretty simple on the surface but it has a lot of niche rooms for improvement that only make it play/feel better.
normal olive
uncut schooner
Unless you're Navi.
In which case just smash your face into the keyboard and pray for the best.
normal olive
The stroke gameplay is not able to be understood by mere mortals
queen kernel
@uncut schooner I can do that! I try to learn fights and know how to play each phase differently
Think I’ll be able to do assassin in M+ for Shadowlands? All anyone talks about for Mythics is outlaw it seems
uncut schooner
It depends, honestly.
normal olive
Assa in SL
harsh sphinx
its gonna be good prob
uncut schooner
- How high do you want to push in Mythic+, 2. What other content do you plan on playing Assa in.
normal olive
let's hope it is rav
uncut schooner
Assa is built pretty differently between all forms of content, which is why I asked.
queen kernel
And we do random BG’s
Nothing rated and no arenas
We are at the low end of the spectrum 🙂
A step above world quests, Mount farmers and pet battlers lol
normal olive
For HC and normal m+ everything is viable
uncut schooner
^ More or less, its just a case of how you want to handle corruptions/stat weights, tldr where you want the damage to be.
queen kernel
See, I’m what’s known as “a bad”, so I need to play Havoc to be average
uncut schooner
The guy uses poisoned knife in his opener.
uncut schooner
I still have no idea how you pulled that stunt off.
Unless you die at the start so the rest of the raid can do it right.
queen kernel
Wow tokens?
uncut schooner
normal olive
What's with wow tokens?
uncut schooner
Ez gold.
normal olive
Well when i pug stuff i just turn my brain off and shit starts to go down the drain 
queen kernel
I thought he was asking how you managed to do 7/12 mythic and I was being a smart as
normal olive
Mythic i'm actually looking at what i'm doing
uncut schooner
Navi is secretly a way better rogue than me.
Just his brain turns into scrambled egg the moment he does content that isn't mythic I guess.
normal olive
More creative maybe
Well let's see how SL goes, with a guild and all where i can't just fuck around without anyone noticing
queen kernel
As long as sub doesn’t become the only viable spec in SL, I think I may be ok giving rogue a shot to replace my DH.
It’s the leader in the clubhouse at this point
Thank you guys for being so friendly
uncut schooner
Don't be intimidated by playing classes honestly.
All of them are a learning curve, but I wouldn't say any of them are impossible to play "good."
Except maybe Shadow Priest.
normal olive
Yeah as long as you don't try to compete in the high end stuff you can just play what you want honestly
queen kernel
New enhance is something I’m also curious about but being average, at best, their lack of “oh shit” buttons kinda scares me. I don’t want to end up dead halfway through every boss
uncut schooner
Rogues are kind of squishy imo.
queen kernel
Average sat best, meaning my skill level
queen kernel
You dot just cloak, evade, vanish and potion your way to immortality?
normal olive
You mean the 3x vanish i get with Night Fae? 
uncut schooner
Actual pog.
normal olive
Anyone here got beta and wanna test something out?
uncut schooner
Yes and no.
Our toolkit is ace when used properly.
But in terms of raw mitigation.
I don't rate Rogue that high.
Potion is being nerfed to 20% of our health, feint is just an AoE mitigation unless talented, evasion only lets us avoid melee attacks, cloak is ace.
normal olive
Well 6 defensiv spells are pretty nice
normal olive
Well assa has 5 since vanish is a dmg cd
normal olive
Since i only play assa for me it has never realy been a defensive cd
funny in arena 
"Why did you vanish?"
fleet whale
pre mop vanish was used defensively as sin
and even in mop in wod it could be used defensively since you had prep to reset its cd
fleet whale
there was a glyph in wod that made vanish a one min cd, though vanish wasn't nearly impactful back then
you pretty much used it for a cheap mutilate and hopefully get a blindside proc
normal olive
I just hope i don't have to do the same to rogue what i did to boomkin in legion
i want to keep playing it
but if it just feels awful to play in SL i'll reroll to boomy
fleet whale
rogues tend to play like ass at an expansion start
normal olive
I liked it at the start of legion and bfa
uncut schooner
I've heard that's true for Assa at least.
queen kernel
@normal olive only assassin? How do you feel about the mythic plus experience as assa?
uncut schooner
Which makes sense when you consider how Assa mastery works.
fleet whale
assassin is fine in M+
normal olive
so that's why i'm gonna lvl it anyway and see for myself when SL comes out
@queen kernel i only play the raid spec but it's fun for m+ 15-20
fleet whale
I didn't like legion assassin until they axed away agonizing poison. I actually played sub early bfa but transitioned over when i hit like 365 ish ilvl
normal olive
Tried playing sub a bit in legion but couldn't really get into it
got the mage tower weapon and that was the last i played sub
queen kernel
Ok. Thanks again guys. For being patient with my noobness
normal olive
No worries ^^
fleet whale
thematically speaking assassination has been my favorite rogue spec
median badge
so i have 2232 titan residuum. I have 435 head and shoulders and a 450 chest. Should I roll random pieces or save?
fleet whale
and has been my main spec since mop even when it was bad
normal olive
I rerolled like 5 times during legion and after like 2 weeks of raiding with the new char i just came back to rogue 
fleet whale
you mean roll for 465 pieces? i guess that depends if you want a quick ilvl boost right now
fleet whale
or if you want to have a quick way of setting up a M+ spec
but idk, i rolled for 465s early on the raid tier
median badge
trying to work my way to expedient build
20k residuum seems tough to get
im 460ilvl but only simming ~41k dps
working on essences too
median badge
haha
fleet whale
well your essences aren't all that great
and you have an echoing blade trait
which is useless in ST
fleet whale
are you a fresh 120? cause you can get like Crucible 3 in a couple of hours
uncut schooner
Bote grind.
median badge
yeah sitting at 9k honor or so
fleet whale
i would get crucible 3 real quick
median badge
a few more bgs and ill have it
fleet whale
cause it isn't that bad
and while grinding bgs you can use crucible major 3
and BoTE rank 2 isn't worth it
has to be rank 3
median badge
oof
fleet whale
which is 30k honor
median badge
what are the reqs for leveling bote
normal olive
30k honor
uncut schooner
The one downside to Assa.
fleet whale
just 30k honor
median badge
oh its honor 
normal olive
took me a week during extra honor week
fleet whale
you could get CLF alternatively
normal olive
not that bad
fleet whale
but that's kind of gated
uncut schooner
CLF is less stress inducing for sure.
I mean most of the essences are time-gated anyway.
uncut schooner
Lucid dreams = time-gated, focusing iris = time-gated, breath of the dying = time-gated, bote = stress-gated
I know.
regal magnet
how do you guys analyze your logs
uncut schooner
What do you want to analyze specifically.
fleet whale
with such high haste honestly
i don't even know what i should analyze, it's like impossible anything drops off
regal magnet
just optimizing dps mainly
uncut schooner
Got any logs?
median badge
would u guys suggest rerolling the az piece with EB to see if i can get a 465 SS
normal olive
you can look at when you cast your cd's and how you line them up
normal olive
since between them it's just the good old keep your shit up and smack em with envenom
median badge
what is dd sorry haha
normal olive
Double Dose
median badge
ohhh
normal olive
Nice Hearthstone card macro
fleet whale
if you are the rogue in that group
normal olive
fleet whale
your parse doesn't look that bad tbh
uncut schooner
F all wrong with the rotation.
normal olive
your parse looks better then my 21 Raden Parse
uncut schooner
Parses good.
regal magnet
eh i feel like it could be better
like timing my garrote and ruptures with my exsangs
fleet whale
there is maybe some optimization you could do
normal olive
It looks like you try to force CT into Exang
regal magnet
so im not wasting any pandemic time
fleet whale
but relatively speaking you are undergeared
fleet whale
your raid damage in general also isn't ultra high
median badge
so how do you transition into haste build from tb build haha
fleet whale
that has an influence on how you parse as well
regal magnet
wdym
uncut schooner
I mean looking at his ilvl parse.
fleet whale
raid does higher damage
uncut schooner
He did good.
regal magnet
oh
normal olive
ilivl parse
regal magnet
yeah
fleet whale
and yeah people meme about ilvl parse
fleet whale
but honestly for mythic what you're doing is fine
normal olive
The only thing i really saw was that you try to get CT into Exang
not that important
fleet whale
yeah, you don't need to force CT
regal magnet
aight
fleet whale
but i don't think that's gonna make you parse like 90 lol
normal olive
yeah it's just a small thing i noticed
median badge
HMC Earthlink or BS?
fleet whale
your raid in general doing more damage, some of your guildies are quite low
that will help your parse a bit
what is BS
median badge
blood siphon
regal magnet
should i be using
fleet whale
Heed my call
uncut schooner
I'm too slow.
regal magnet
all 9 expedient
median badge
sweet ty
regal magnet
or 8 expedient + something else
normal olive
sim that
regal magnet
true
normal olive
depends on your gear what would be better
regal magnet
yeah
normal olive
9x exp might be better
1 Honed mind 3 or 1 Racing Puls might be better
Our last week Raden kill
No fucked up opener sry guys nothing to see
regal magnet
how do you sim a piece of gear you dont have
normal olive
"Don't heal Navi"
uncut schooner
Yes and no.
regal magnet
balmy condor
its barely scratching the surface basically
regal magnet
😦
normal olive
Wait did i really forget food? xD
balmy condor
like you'll see the simple stuff
uncut schooner
I don't think wowanalyzer is accounting for stuff like pandemic, etc. either.
It'll flag the standard opener as red.
E.g. when you double garrote.
It'll say that's wrong.
normal olive
Our raden kill was scuffed af
balmy condor
its a nazi about it
regal magnet
ye
normal olive
we had melees swap to orbs because we didn't have enough ranged dmg to kill em
balmy condor
like it'll be like YOU REFRESHED THE GARROTE 0.1 SECOND TOO EARLY
cause its a computer
and it thinks everything is perfect
uncut schooner
Tbh our progression is stuck at ra'den atm.
balmy condor
it also doesn't understand empowered garrote pandemic timers
so it marks every second garrote from stealth as wrong
normal olive
We are gonna progress Ilg tonight if we get enought people
uncut schooner
Ra'den tonight for us.
regal magnet
what other viable trinkets
uncut schooner
Gl 😛
normal olive
Raden was actually pretty easy other then the part with orbs not dying
balmy condor
coral is still usable if you don't have either
uncut schooner
It's the nightmare mechanics screwing people over in our comp.
Also we spend a lot of time hard switching the orbs because ranged can't deal with it.
regal magnet
o whispyr do you think you could take a quick look at my logs please
and see if there's anything i could optimize
balmy condor
o whispyr I do think I can
regal magnet
xoxo
normal olive
Yeah we had the same problem with orbs, the first time the second orb died we actually killed the boss
uncut schooner
Like we have the damage if people survive past the second orb phase.
We got Ra'den to 22% at the lowest.
After 4 DPS were dead.
normal olive
tribal marlin
AND at least half the roster are people like me who does not play retail anymore and don't rank50 expediant 😄
rancid sphinx
hello guys, i am new player, and I am more into pvp, but also like some pve content, how does assassination rouge feels like in both? from what I have seen on youtube, its the preferred spec for pvp and outlaw for pve, but does assassination do good dmg on pve content without aoe?
arctic walrus
this spec does the most damage on single target and it can do good on cleave fights, and it's still alright for m+
rancid sphinx
is it the best spec for pvp overall?
arctic walrus
yes
rancid sphinx
how does it look in shadowlands? is it better than now?
normal olive
arctic walrus
no
you're losing a lot of haste and it's largely unfinished and the other specs are looking more promising
heady ridge
hey~
i'm doing progress on n'zoth and was looking for ways to improve my damage/parse since i think i'm barely dying to mechanics at all so i can be a little more careless
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/naFYLKgdRA1h8Xxm i'm not getting inside neither psychus so its harder to just follow Rogue PoV videos, could use some suggestions
balmy condor
Need to get that division ring
balmy condor
Wait wrong rogue
Seems like your bleed uptimes are kinda really low
But I can’t take a deep look, mobile is super janky
Your azerite is a bit messy as well
arctic walrus
stop
normal olive
balmy condor
Thats pog
drifting cloud
man your guilds needs to work on boss dmg
arctic walrus
you just seem super scared? idk
balmy condor
I couldn’t even get to the casts table
drifting cloud
youre legit gonna have problems killing the boss before enrage
arctic walrus
like literally so much downtime
balmy condor
It rolled off the screen
arctic walrus
idk what the fuck you could be doing
normal olive
Just do more dmg okay got it coach 
arctic walrus
yall lust on 2nd break and it goes down to 80% oof
grave bison
@heady ridge remove double dose from your build
after killing first basher and corruptor, and dealing with paranoia use your vanish to benefit from strong garrote on basher and corruptor. It's possible to use garrote on both of them. When they are far from each other use your shadowstep. Keep your dots on psychus and hit tentacles. After you get out full combo CT, 1 mutilate rupture then vanish double garrote rupture all cd's and exsanguinate. That's what I did for the first part of the fight. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K1FzPBHRT9yXmhpc#fight=12&type=damage-done
if you are late to use your vanish on second basher, don't use vanish. because the timer wouldn't work well with death of first psychus
heady ridge
@grave bison I'm not entering either Psychus, although I guess you're right I'm only using vanish on N'zoth
i'm not using CT either but I suppose I should if i wanna help dealing with the Psychophages
bomb still sims higher for me
grave bison
no, it's better on single target too
strange
you have 4.3k haste, how is it possible 😄
fossil flare
since we are talking about n'zoth, any advice for having to do second psychus? only got 1 pull of actually spending time down there and it just seemed to be horrible....
here is log for referance: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wPV2dxyhGtL7vrmX#fight=19&type=damage-done
grave bison
I was never asked to go in second psychus, you have to move so much less. Even if you do it right you may still have hard time because your healers will be spending time on healing others
Healing you take is almost always reduced by other dps failing, if we are talking about nzoth encounter
fossil flare
well yeah I know that... that is why I am asking for advice
or tips to make it a little easier on me and/or healers
grave bison
other rogue in my guild goes to second psychus. He used feint talent elusiveness, he said he was using feint on cd
strange python
getting there raden helm better than my 480 helm lol
now i can use crimson tempest
grave bison
heart of darkness makes the difference
clockwork heart azerites are close to it if you can get with titan residuum
strange python
oh i got that on my shoulder just gonna fish for that on helm
grave bison
if you are able to get SS/heart of darknes 475 from raid it's better but clockwork heart works if not
strange python
i wont see raden mythic, i dont really raid mythic my guild stop with first 3
and i dont really do any higher keys, only doing +15-18
tropic ocean
In psychus just keep dots on him and envenom/mutilate synapses
thats all u gotta do
In 2nd psychus quiet movement due to dmg mecha ic
Mechanic
fossil flare
yeah I know the mechanic of psychus 2 and how I should be doing dmg, I was looking for more of advice for maxing up time while minimizing dmg taken from debuff... like if there was a specific "best" time for cloak of shadows or which synapses I should be shadow stepping to that sort of thing
umbral rapids
That sounds like a nightmare as a melee 
obsidian mountain
fathom swift
yeah a bit confusing why its a legendary and also still a talent but
river hearth
Can someone tell me at what haste percent will Shrouded Suffocation start to be the play?
random bramble
anyone ever try full haste/mastery pieces with mastery amps on sin
grave bison
yea legendaries are there but still you cannot use them, only master assassin works
@river hearth 2.5k makes ss build way better than dd build
@random bramble mastery loses it's weight too fast, at least for my character
hasty vale
Hey so did the necrolord bonespike ability get removed?
arctic walrus
No
grave bison
it's still the best one, I hope nightfae gets something really good so i don't play necrolord
rancid sphinx
guys I am new, wanna ask some questions
how does assassination damage compared to other classes on pve content ?
I know its really great in pvp, which is the thing I am looking for on a class, but I don't wanna be left behind on damage in pve
main forge
Assassination is crap at low gear levels and without proper corruption. Its not bad, but it isnt going to top the charts for M+ or Raids.
Outlaw does well in M+ even at low gear levels.
rancid sphinx
then should I play outlaw until I get good gear?
main forge
When I came back in march, i was probably one of the lowest in dps... even after I hit 460. Essences/Azerite/Corruption are huge contributions to our gearset
You will be able to gear up quickly as outlaw doing M+, the ny'alotha probably favors outlaw on many fights for heroic content, for putting up big dps numbers
at low gear levels mind you
tropic ocean
Assassination is crap at low gear levels and without proper corruption. Its not bad, but it isnt going to top the charts for M+ or Raids.
@main forge
You dont top the charts with gear either u can carry boss/prio with raid build rest is just support for fmage or hunter
royal lantern
if you play too top the charts
play a ranged multidot spec with good st
cus thats how you do it
(playing for "muh #1dps" is stupid btw)
rancid sphinx
if you play too top the charts
@royal lantern
I want to play for pvp tbh
but just want to check if it does alright damage in pve content
steel ridge
Picking difficult odds and still coming out on top is feeling good tho
royal lantern
if you do more dmg then a bm/fire its because they fucked something up hard, not because you play great tbh
rancid sphinx
if I am going to boost my character to 120, it will get free 390 ilvl gear, will that be enough to feel that damage is alright?
Assassination is crap at low gear levels and without proper corruption. Its not bad, but it isnt going to top the charts for M+ or Raids.
@main forge
and for new player is pvp really that hard? I am used to playing pvp on other mmo's but the people who I paly with, tell me its so diff in wow
steel ridge
if you do more dmg then a bm/fire its because they fucked something up hard, not because you play great tbh
Maybe, but usually i am on a tie with our warriors and hunters. Not everyone raids cutting edge 😉
royal lantern
@rancid sphinx pvp in wow is hard because there is a high chance you play against people that play this game for 10+years and simply know more, and knowing how too play against some classes is 50%won allready
rancid sphinx
thats true
royal lantern
or
you roll the current FotM pvp class and roflstomp too 2k+ rating anyway cus it ussualy plays itself
rancid sphinx
well I can't play alot everyday, so I prefer to choose an "always good" class in pvp instead of rolling the current FotM
I want to choose between rouge and warlock, I like both play style, and both are good i think in pvp
but its so hard to choose ..
royal lantern
eh,another thing is, you need too actually get the right gear too do good in pvp against people with more then 3working braincells
not too many outthere, but it happens
crimson palm
if you do more dmg then a bm/fire its because they fucked something up hard, not because you play great tbh
@royal lantern that's wrong on so many levels
rancid sphinx
eh,another thing is, you need too actually get the right gear too do good in pvp against people with more then 3working braincells
@royal lantern I know, thats why I want to invest into the right class 🙂
because I can't grind multiple classes because of my time.
royal lantern
ye rogue is a good choice then, rogue is like, always 1 of the best pvp classes simply because of the high amount of cc you bring
rancid sphinx
at what ilvl should I start thinking about going into arena ?
royal lantern
@crimson palm and how is it wrong on multiple levels?
shut garnet
it can be both for sure
and it depends on encounter, killtimers, how many mages are in ur group etc
umbral rapids
@fossil flare fuck me sideways I’m going in psychus 2 😂
I regret everything. Gib tips
fossil flare
It really sucks, actually spent time down once so far
had to stand still for 10 secs till shadow step came back up 😢
was luck someone was even in range at that point to shadow step to
lyric grail
Anyone knows the weak aura Raz is using?
shut garnet
the garrote and rupture timers?
warm parcel
regal magnet
for nzoth prog is assassination or outlaw better
royal lantern
your raid needs more aoe or st?
regal magnet
oh its just raid comp dependent?
oblique lark
on prog yes, if you need more phys/nzoth dmg - assa, if need more synapse/tentacles - outlaw
regal magnet
ok, tyty
balmy condor
@pine flax for m+ you want to use spyglass + something. Plumage is really good, dice is really good, vita is still pretty solid. Torment does decent aoe, but it’s not great.
minor thicket
hey guys question how can I sim for a helm or a few helms I do not have yet?
i may not be able to get 480 raden helm so debating which to buy and want to see how it sims
balmy condor
Gear compare
Droptimizer also works
I’ll tell you now though that you’re not gonna find much
The vendor azerite kinda suck
480 gibbering crushes
balmy condor
Yeah but the 465 gibbering is fine
balmy condor
Like there’s no good replacements for that
minor thicket
gotcha
balmy condor
Might be a couple hundred dps here or there
But there’s no cut and dry “you want X”
minor thicket
ok cool
vast forum
no
fleet whale
no
median badge
ok ty
vast forum
maybe yes if your other essences are also shit 😄
median badge
they are haha
vast forum
but generally no
fleet whale
crucible 3
vast forum
sim it 
median badge
yeah ill grind that out then
fleet whale
you don't have to grind crucible 3 lol
median badge
i meant do the Quest line lol
fleet whale
yeah, you could probably get it done in about an hour
balmy condor
Yeah crucible is the quickest out of them all
normal olive
For Mythic Ilgy, can you pre cast Cloak to gamble on 1 less blood thingy?
normal olive
The circle
normal olive
oh
guess that is way better to gamble on
Any tips for the no dispell strategy as rogue? first try at ilgy tonight
harsh sphinx
Take cloak off your bar
crimson palm
dont die
harsh sphinx
Ah havnt done it that way just booty blast
normal olive
Do dmg and don't die got it boss
Yeah we got to many melees for the no dispell strategy
void pecan
My guild did too. Just gotta have melee not be stupid and have healers dispells be on point
normal olive
I Pug everything, i've seen some shit
void pecan
Pugging mythic progess? 
normal olive
Yep
gotta pug 8 people tonight
so i don't think there will be any progress on ilgy tonight
void pecan
God speed.
normal olive
I was someone they pugged too and now i just raid with them every week
noble valve
balmy condor
The classic
void pecan
But cloak for shield phase to pad.
balmy condor
pine flax
thanks my guy
balmy condor
Np
warm olive
do you play the usual raidbuild at hivemind or m+ build?
balmy condor
Raid build
Fire mages and stuff blow up drones
Just not worth the single target loss
warm olive
my raid only has 1 firemage and there are always lots of adds, might be worth it then?
median badge
got crucible 3. use it as major right
fleet whale
iris in M+
median badge
crucible for raid?
balmy condor
Yep
median badge
sweet ty guys
fleet whale
and since you are low geared with low haste crucible won't feel that weird to use
with all the empty globals you are going to have
wary kelp
Do weapon enchants have different proc rates for main and off hand
my sim is telling me to swap the enchants 
balmy condor
It’s the same
Offhand/mainhand has no difference
It’s probably listing as a side-grade
fleet whale
that's just variance of the sim
if you run quick sim two times in a row with the same set up
fleet whale
both sims will likely be slightly different
wary kelp
ah ok
fleet whale
you need to get rid of that cannonball
median badge
leave me be with cannonball
normal olive
Can you cloak the slow on mythic Shad?
harsh sphinx
normal olive
balmy condor
No
harsh sphinx
no you can't cloak that. cannon though
normal olive
Okay ty Whispyr 
balmy condor
Yeah thanks rav 
normal olive
strange python
Yo boyz. Is it resonable to give up on 10 ilvl for piece of armor that have something like haste/crit or haste/versa to haste/mastery for bleed build on assa? And what is value of versa against mastery in this build? Can somebody give me a small advise about it because I want to build up that bleed thingy but kinda suck on gear for now (which I'm working on). Also, Expedient is way to go in this case or I can mix higher items with Gushings?
And what is minimum passive haste percentage here going to be the point of reason to switch for bleed build.
arctic walrus
why is that? 🙂
vast forum
can you just not spread misinformation? 🙂 there are no stat breakpoints
also, even if there are, if i'm not mistaken, deeper strat is closer to 30% than 55%
balmy condor
I’ve simmed literally dozens of rogues, maybe even more than that
Exsang/DS shows up at around 30%
CT and lucid enter in at around 60%
There’s obviously differences in that
Azerite, gear and sockets, the levels of essences
Through all that simming, there have been no crit caps, no mastery caps, no haste caps
modest raptor
can you vanish combat from explosives
balmy condor
You’ll even start to see vers gems at super high levels
Explosives go off regardless
modest raptor
what i mean is, if i want to do middle pack in atal but am in combat
from explosives
i mean middle obelisk
can i vanish it and enter in
balmy condor
I would assume so
As long as you enter before the explosive rips you back into combat
It’s a very short window
modest raptor
yeah i guess
hybrid harness
we figured out if bone spike contributes to https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=340082/doomblade yet?
balmy condor
I’ve heard rumors that it does
fleet whale
i also wonder if the bloodfang leggo does too but i guess you can't really test that atm
fleet whale
idk, we were able to have 2 leggos on at the same time in legion
hybrid harness
is https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=340080/invigorating-shadowdust available btw ? Curious how much it actually reduces.
crisp hollow
any value to keeping NP over a 2nd HoD for assassination in Workshop keys?
(literally only playing it for workshop keys next week, 3x SS, 2x HoD, 1x bbi build)
crisp hollow
okay thanks!
steel ridge
so theres an appearance for the artifact weapon which needs me to complete a 15+ dungeon... how does this count?
balmy condor
#transmog but I’m pretty sure you need to have that artifact skin equipped and do a 15 with it
steel ridge
thanks!
median badge
Someone lend me some rng for galecallers so I can put my cannon to rest
I kind of feel like a BM hunter when it procs tho
scenic meteor
I'm a new rogue player. Why do I see people's openers online and they do two garottes in the opening? What benefit would that give?
normal olive
To get the pandemic on garrote and it gives you 3cp with SS
If you are interested in some "quality" openers i might be able to help you out
scenic meteor
Sure, I'm just looking at basics, just hit 120. Right now when I go on a target I would.. garotte from stealth, mutilate to 5cp then rupture. Then vendetta, spam envenoms at 5cp.
normal olive
Nice congratz!
vast forum
@scenic meteor at high gear levels, with 3 shrouded suffocation traits, you want that first empowered garrote to be as long as possible
normal olive
Damn that's nice
steel ridge
lucky boi
normal olive
We are extending every week so no loot for me 
tropic linden
umbral rapids
@steel ridge if you already have the achievement it’ll unlock automatically after you finish the questline
hollow robin
Question for people. I noticed recently that the exsanguinate builds swapped to CT over PB for most fights, is that just haste scaling pushing it over for ST, or more about it being better for cleave fights?
Or something else
balmy condor
haste + not having TTK
strange python
actually it's because master poisoner
balmy condor
its better on cleave fights earlier, but generally speaking, you just keep stacking haste and it becomes better
strange python
@normal olive agree. 
I wiped there for 3 hours yesterday.
@balmy condor btw. Xanesh's trinket is any good for assa? At least in aoe ritation?
balmy condor
not really
balmy condor
I would prefer vita
strange python
Well I got this trash for this week. And there is Inq trinket as well. Don't look at its outlaw for now cz I was doing m+ to get some better trinket but no success.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Y8niYrBcgGsiy6XN5ha7m
balmy condor
I didn't even consider that you were referring to void shard
we DE void shards on drop in my raid
strange python
I put Xanesh right now instead of it.
strange python
I will swap soon. I just getting some haste/mastery gear and got like 20k echoes for haste corruption.
royal lantern
ye, voidshard is 1 of those"sounds cool, really REALLY bad in reality" things
the proc rate is soooo low and the shield instant breaks
royal lantern
isnt the proc rate 1ppm or something
thorn moth
So hard to find anyone in queue for pvp islands, can't get my essence 😦
proud horizon
My guild leaders want me to switch to Outlaw and I’m upset
😩
@thorn moth I’m having the same problem too. For BotE?
thorn moth
yea
proud horizon
Oh really?!
balmy condor
yeah
thorn moth
Just need 1 win
proud horizon
Yeah. I can’t even win in an epic battleground lmao
balmy condor
happens
heady pier
Yeah, the initial quest you need one of each
heady pier
just got my rank 3 today
heady pier
it's better to run that in mythic+ than focusing iris, right?
thorn moth
Wahts 2nd best?
heady pier
that's what i figured
thorn moth
i have CoF rn
balmy condor
if you're a micro-management god, you could technically use breath as well if you don't have iris for some reason
the fk is CoF
thorn moth
crucible of fire 
balmy condor
my eyes lmao
thorn moth
Just got back p
balmy condor
:P I'm just playing
thorn moth
Havent really played since week 4 of bfa and it was on a mage hehe
balmy condor
you work with what you got
thorn moth
frfr
balmy condor
trust me, from uh personal experience
proud horizon
My cloak is still a 5, you’re prob ahead of me lol
balmy condor
proud horizon
I just die and also can’t get groups to save mah life
chilly marsh
is there a code to sim all foods and pots ?
balmy condor
thorn moth
drop it in raidbots
chilly marsh
ty
thorn moth
Tatsu how do you die
balmy condor
chilly marsh
i knwo ui had used it some time ago 🙂
balmy condor
I gotchu
thorn moth
I been doing them solo
balmy condor
solo visions are easiest
thorn moth
Yeah just skip everything go to left wing clear that, then do the right wing
then go back to thrall or push for rexar or other area
thorn moth
even without buffs ive found it to be aight
proud horizon
The guards in front of the book page fuck me up because they see me in stealth.
Pm never do that, I’ll try that, thank you
proud horizon
....
thorn moth
+claok 9
proud horizon
I’m a 460
balmy condor
cloak level is more important
thorn moth
proud horizon
That makes me feel better
balmy condor
heroic raid also drops 460
thorn moth
Yeah, just dabbled in the normal raid today
Need to find a group that is running it
Hate pugs
balmy condor
yeah pugging is generally bad
thorn moth
I think its gonna be impossible to find a grp for island pvp lmao
Anyone US horde wnat to queue?
thorn moth
Hoolz-Mal'Ganis
proud horizon
I’m Ally or I’d definitely help
proud horizon
I have no idea what iLvl my cloak is but yeah I push mythics
Lmfao I mean
Do I get a reciprocal deal in this 😂
balmy condor
I'll send you a very secret discord emote
thorn moth
maybe we just win too
thorn moth
we good like that
proud horizon
Fine then 😩
thorn moth
vestal rain
Anyone have any advise on strat for better DPS p1/p2 mythic NZoth? Psychus grp 1, spamming fan of knives for cripple in down room, keeping bleeds up on smasher & corrupter up top but still having issues getting good dps (exsang/exped bld).
balmy condor
I suggest looking at some logs to see how they're doing things
replay feature is very good
thorn moth
160k iterations sim permut on the way lol
balmy condor
yeah usually fine
simpermut still good if you have to do it manually
but man that's a throwback
thorn moth
eek it doenst do essences
thorn moth
yeah raidbots it is
strange python
someone know how much haste 5k is in % ?
balmy condor
73.53
strange python
how do i find that out
balmy condor
I took a sim I had open, divided his haste by his % to get haste per percent (68 haste btw)
and then 5000/68 = 73.53
strange python
tx
thorn moth
is that me
fleet whale
what is the highest haste Percentage you have ever reached with all procs etc
balmy condor
no idea
normal olive
In visions you easily go over 500%
fleet whale
too bad it's gonna go away
normal olive
thorn moth
in SL?
normal olive
with prepatch
thorn moth
oh i mean still on gear just not corruptions
normal olive
bruh
balmy condor
we're losing basically half of our haste
thorn moth
I joined late so I dont have any anyways
balmy condor
more than half for geared peopled
thorn moth
Maybe in prepatch i can catch up to ppl
fleet whale
the spec will probably play like ep or NYA before the corruption vendor but with SND
balmy condor
yep
thorn moth
snd is haste?
fleet whale
which isn't all bad honestly
thorn moth
dont remember
fleet whale
nah just attack speed
thorn moth
Bcs with prepatch they are adding that in baseline
fleet whale
the problem is going to be how the spec feels as a fresh 60
low girder
figured it'd be worse than that, are they not dumpstering our stats as hard as we level this time
fleet whale
well it does something
thorn moth
More auto attack damage
fleet whale
just adds damage
thorn moth
do we get more poison applications
fleet whale
but it really shouldn't be there for sin
balmy condor
so that's 20% for free
low girder
yeah, true
fleet whale
if alacrity is actually intended to be a sin talent
balmy condor
who knows man
low girder
you'll take your 4 damage toxic blade and like it
balmy condor
toxic blade talent btw
thorn moth
Im excited tho bcs with SL roll the bones is just a cd
Makes outlaw sound a little better to me
NOt having to reroll buffs
balmy condor
outlaw is still outlaw though
thorn moth
was that the rapiers
fleet whale
the rapiers were the mage tower
low girder
yeah
normal olive
I might try outlaw out now that you don't have to roll 20 times in a row
low girder
just worth noting since they're still obtainable
fleet whale
people in the outlaw channel don't seem to like it hat much though
low girder
and rapiers are not
balmy condor
its less control
normal olive
I just hated rerolling
thorn moth
Yeah rerolling was not fun
thorn moth
I really have only played sub in HFC and then sin in tomb
fleet whale
but if you are just starting sin now
normal olive
Might try out sub since i got the Mage tower weapons and never touched that spec again
thorn moth
what does that do
balmy condor
low girder
ducks from whispyr throwing things
balmy condor
not this shit again
normal olive
34% crit is just way to important
balmy condor
I'll beat all your asses
fleet whale
it guarantees that your mutilate will generate at least 3 cps
balmy condor
oh my god
thorn moth
wat
low girder
lmao
balmy condor
okay I was okay with the meme
fleet whale
im just memeing
thorn moth
i just want