next week is the push
#assassination
balmy condor
normal olive
Whispyr wanna farm me some mechagon rings?
i only get the wrong ones
and i'm allready running with a friend
wintry terrace
Yeah this week is awful for m+
strange python
ok thank you
devout fiber
Anyone trying to help me with horrific?
floral pier
As assa is it necessary to be able to actively track your deadly poison / crippling poson, or is it just something to passively benefit from? I am wondering if I should disable either on my enemy nameplates as it is making them crowded
silent crescent
on cleave you might want to know if the other guy is poisoned if mut>fok
balmy condor
yeah
in single target, doesn't matter
on cleave, doesn't matter
BUT
if you have something like drest
where you hit someone with a garrote and then run
that's the one thing where you care
imo
on stacked targets, you don't really care either
but on spread targets its kinda important
floral pier
gotcha like if your only hitting them every now and then
balmy condor
yeah
floral pier
maybe I only disable the crippling poison then
balmy condor
yeah crippling is actually whatever
I track CT/rup/gar/deadly
and that's basically it
floral pier
CT?
glad smelt
can i use the same traits in keys as in raid as a general rule of thumb?
glad smelt
oh yay the wowhead guide had that little helpful section
ty!
wouldn't 3 SS be a waste of combo points? or does it not stack
the cp generation
balmy condor
the cp gen doesn't stack
glad smelt
i see
balmy condor
generally speaking, effects don't stack, only damage
like NP doesn't give you more energy, TTK doesn't make envenom last forever
EB still caps at 5, not 15, that kind of stuff
balmy condor
well AM stacks cause its just mastery
the mastery stacks
but something like uhhhhh
light's decree
when you spend holy power it does the aoe damage and increases avenging wraths duration
the damage stacks, the duration part does not
its the simply number stuff that stacks, not the effect part
vital haven
9 COMBO POINT GARROTE
vital haven
cara dagger
royal lantern
simple as that
median badge
oof
royal lantern
for weapons, ilvl is king cus of weapon dmg
(atleast for mainhand, offhand doesnt really matter at all)
median badge
which m+ is good to farm if i have rings?
royal lantern
raid or m+?
royal lantern
shrine/waycrest if im right
not 100%
@balmy condor im right or im talking shit?
oh
you mean you can only do m+?
balmy condor
Yes
royal lantern
well, if you wanna gear for raiding, mechagon for the set effect rings
balmy condor
Shrine waycrest for m+
manic harness
Am I missing anything? Or is this as good as it gets for the moment, missing gems not included
balmy condor
Crit/mast from shrine
Crit/Vers from warcraft
median badge
I have 465 ring from jy
balmy condor
@manic harness does that 480 chest really sim higher than 475 cara chest?
Buy yeah, aside from CLF and the stuff you mentioned
Not much
balmy condor
Blood
balmy condor
Neither do I, I know it gives crit as a minor
There’s also that ripple in space one
What’s that do
Isn’t that like a teleport or something
low girder
teleport thing
manic harness
Simming Cara chest now, thanks
low girder
unbound is just a nuke i think that does "big dam" if it crits
fleet whale
unbound force major is a hit that does like 300% more damage if it crits
but it's a multi part hit
vital haven
hmm
balmy condor
Is it single target?
fleet whale
yeah
low girder
fleet whale
but i think Breath major just flat out deals more damage
low girder
it's pretty weird tbh
fleet whale
unless if you are ultra lucky with unbound force
vital haven
severe unbound force build 
low girder
you counteract the minor doing that though
balmy condor
That also doesn’t seem like a lot of damage on that major
fleet whale
yeah, it's not
low girder
yeah that's at neck lvl 94 too lol
fleet whale
like i said im pretty sure breath major flat out deals more damage
low girder
it is
fleet whale
and i'm comparing breath and unbound force major cause they are kind of similar in function
vital haven
i mean ya obv its a meme
fleet whale
and both have the same cd
vital haven
thats why no one uses it
fleet whale
it was brokenly op in ptr
low girder
i thought the minor might see some use if you could play around it with a noncrit spec
vital haven
ahh the echoing void of essences
low girder
never happened though
fleet whale
the minor got a hard nerf
before it had no icd and i think poison non crit procs gave stacks
balmy condor
Lul
fleet whale
so yeah... it's over 2 seconds
fleet whale
7 hits and 6 crits
i will say rank 4 of the ability does look cool though
but omg the rng is terrible
low girder
i got r4 last week but i never used rank 3 to compare
low girder
i think unbuffed breath hits for like 140k on a crit
plus all the other shit
they tried
fleet whale
and lol the minor takes forever to stack up
like a min and a half for me and my crit isn't even that high
i did line up the crit buff with an unbound force use though... so all hits crit
ended up being 297k damage... not worth for how long it takes to get there
people meme about ripple in space but the minor does give a fat amount of agi
low girder
i still don't have r3 nvm
fleet whale
it's still a pain in the ass to get though
scarlet sequoia
who doesnt love a bit of pain in the ass
normal olive
dull crypt
it could be worse, imagine corruptions were on a 4 week cycle xd
fallow peak
What color? Blush, red, pink?
sour wraith
and i wanted to know what do people prio state for assassination's rouge in pve/pvp
silent crescent
Stats?
In pvp you do 20% haste then all vers
ST raid with full exped is haste > crit, aoe is crit > mast with strikethrough severe
sour wraith
what about corruptions ?
silent crescent
Pvp you do full gushing or 2 vers amps
sour wraith
2 vers would be enough ?
?
2 of rank 3 with full gushing for a haste/vers all gear ?
silent crescent
2 rank 3 vers amps and rest gushing
silent crescent
Outlaw and sin are both easy imo, assassin is probably most broadly useful atm
But sub looks like it will be good in shadowlands
Outlaw sin*
Not sub
Sub isnt easy lol
cloud dune
Sub is going to be good in shadowlands? That can't be true, sub isn't allowed to be good
silent crescent
Master assassin legendary already makes them look nice, sepsis is good for them too
Kit also looks nice for aoe after they get tuned
cloud dune
Nice. Can't wait for the inevitable 9.1 nerf
fleet whale
i don't really think sub is that hard
cloud dune
I'd say its harder than sin or outlaw
fleet whale
maybe, but overall it's not that difficult to play imo
silent crescent
Yeah especially 0 haste sin
cloud dune
0 haste sin is hard because you have to fight staying awake while playing it
silent crescent
I mean nothing in wow is hard, sub is on the harder side of dps specs tho
ruby ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uBkiFvCWeAN9YNCLz5ZFgZ
475 Humming sims higher than a 460 Vita and that hurts my feelings, is that normal/real?
main blaze
Sure is
ruby ibex
I hate the wings >.<
main blaze
Oh the wings are the best part
thin cargo
Embrace the flappy boy
winged basin
WHO WANTS TO BULLY ME!
arctic walrus
@balmy condor
strange python
@ruby ibex you can’t sim buff with raden trinkets
When other people wearing it in your group you get extra buff
quiet radish
I was wondering if anybody would be able to provide me some feedback on my logs on some of my low parse fights to see if there is something I can do. I know a few fights there was some pre pulled bosses so my openers or pre pots didn’t go https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VTQYqFJv7NbyBtkc/
grim canopy
wait we gotta keep up Slice and dice now in SL?
seems like arbitrary nostalgia stuff
balmy condor
@quiet radish wrathion kill time super sucked, but you should try cheesing the first intermission, and I also see some awkward cooldown usage on nzoth, 4 exsangs in 8:40 kinda mega rip
arctic walrus
as maut for the example, you open incorrectly, you used blood on cd instead of waiting for you cds, you used exsang without refreshing your dots, you are running a double dose helm, you're missing 1 tier of expedient
balmy condor
well there goes my second point
balmy condor
ran iris on carapace too
you used your pot on nzoth after your cds
not sure whats happening here
quiet radish
It was a speed run we didn’t get a lot of time to switch talents although why the fudge would u not want focus on cars taking those adds/ bloods on one side of tent is super nice
balmy condor
also not sure what this is
because if you're speed-running (kill times are pretty slow btw), you're pumping boss, and that's where you're getting your damage
on ra-den especially
you're gonna to iris what
2 adds?
boss+add?
quiet radish
Wait do people not realize that my helm can only be replace with fluid from vendor or mythic raden to be an upgrade
balmy condor
on shorter fights, heroic gibbering might actually beat it tbh
quiet radish
Nope
balmy condor
even on 2-3 min sims?
quiet radish
Yep
balmy condor
interesting
but regardless
that's not really the problem
your gear is a little sub-optimal, but the main thing is cooldown usage here
3 vendettas on 8:40 nzoth with 4 exsangs
yike
azerite beam on cara and raden, definitely not the play
quiet radish
Well can’t do vendetta until the breaks for Nzoth
Unless I burn on physics but I was told that’s a no no
balmy condor
sure, and if you have to hold cds, that's gonna hurt
but 4 exsangs?
its a 45 second cd
quiet radish
I was told to save cds for Nzoth only
balmy condor
yes, that means 2 minutes
45 second abilites you can easily time
to be up again
but you originally asked how to improve your parses and your damage right?
you improve your damage by using your cds
vel already pointed it out
but this on raden hurts me so bad
you vanished 45 seconds into the fight
that's going to delay everything
quiet radish
Which fight
balmy condor
I'm on raden
didn't refresh garrote before exsang
also looks like you're forcing CT into it
no vanish
quiet radish
Raden was a fucked up fight
balmy condor
here you had 9 seconds of empowered garrote
and then over-wrote the garrote instantly
quiet radish
Yep sounds about right
quiet radish
I’m not really sure if ur providing help or just doing you fucked up
balmy condor
?
How would you prefer me to help
I'm pointing out the mistakes
is that not the idea
quiet radish
I think the only issue on maut was I missed sec rupture before ensang
quiet radish
Max CP’s
quiet radish
Yeah I’m getting bad at renewing my dots my Wa I’m using doesn’t say if there empowered just when they expire
balmy condor
oh and here, that bote should be held for your next cds
quiet radish
I was trying to use the first WA in here for us to say it’s empowered but I found it didn’t have a lot of my other CD’s listed so I ended up using a different Wa for a catch all 22. Gotcha on the BoTE this is the last week of it since Tuesday I can get CLS
For CLS since it’s 2.5 minute do we delay for our 2nd vanish/vendetta opener
cobalt pelican
condensed life sauce
balmy condor
I assume you mean CLF
and that's a 3 minute cooldown not 2.5
you would hold it to line up with whatever you can depending on fight lengths
so for example, a 4 minute length, it comes up at 3, you would line it up with an exsang
at 5 minutes, you would hold for vendetta/vanish/exsang
if you get past 6, you would be missing a cast to hold it, so you would need to cast on cd, and then repeat the thought process to see if you can line up with things
quiet radish
Gotcha. Thanks everyone for the advice and my fuckups
balmy condor
anytime
ruby ibex
@strange python sorry, I just saw the ping - does that mean that the sim for Raden trink is < or > than Humming?
strange python
@ruby ibex yeah what @balmy condor said I ask the same question couple of days ago
balmy condor
:) we get the "wait how does this sim higher than vita?" question quite a lot
ruby ibex
by ~ how much? Is there an estimate there?
balmy condor
is your party full of expedient stacking classes?
5 sin rogues?
are they mages? or hunters? maybe a warlock?
ruby ibex
At best there's 2 of us, but there's a million BM hunters
balmy condor
(you're missing the point, I'm telling you that its very difficult to estimate because it depends on like 35 variables, that's why its not accounted for in sims in the first place)
ruby ibex
whoosh
Gotcha
So, my takeaway is that the difference is either negligible or worse, and since I hate the wings I get to use Vita
balmy condor
also if vita procs when its supposed to
you'll get a pretty sizable spike in your opener
that's always nice to see
ruby ibex
Truth
honest vessel
green basalt
shadow wedge
quartz creek
do you really need Echoing blades trait for m+ for ass rogues? could I get by with just garrote/fok/tempest spams?
tall cape
If youre talking about using raid build in m+ it works fine
quartz creek
Ty
silent crescent
Echoing blades is a big deal... you could pass it up for +15 pugs, but for high keys it's a huge amount of your dmg
And in organized groups you have very big pulls to take advantage of it
strange python
Could anyone help me? Almost all my quest are lvl 29-30+ but im lvl 28 and it takes me ages to kill mobs from that level... It will be impossible for me to do the other quests what should I do?
silent crescent
Huh? Are you talking about classic?
strange python
Yes
silent crescent
Retail is so easy and your level scales to everything
Ah idk much about classic, maybe try the classic channel
shut garnet
on ally it's nelf then human
on horde troll i think?
u can advance sim and use this https://pastebin.com/wWbxFY9A to check for yourself if you're super interested in the details
median sparrow
any rogues here that want to help me out I'm doing a little bit too low of dps. I think I'm doing something wrong
shut garnet
you got any logs you could link?
median sparrow
like dps logs?
shut garnet
yea, from a couple bosses you've killed or whatever
median sparrow
is there like a website I can get it from?
shut garnet
median sparrow
otherwise I don't really have logs but I do average of 18.1k dps
faint harness
he's talking about m+
median sparrow
yes and I tried to follow but still can't seem to figure it out
sweet inlet
What ilvl are you?
median sparrow
mutilate twice do rupture apply garrote mutilate twice go vansih do envenom vendetta toxicblade into mutilates and envenom
shut garnet
on a 4 mob pack?
median sparrow
I'm ilvl 433
yea I kinda just do that always
but even if I do that on a single target boss I still do like no damage
shut garnet
that's because it's the wrong thing to open
have another quick look at the guides xd
median sparrow
okey thank you
shut garnet
(theyre in the pins, top right)
waxen ingot
apologies if there's a pinned post or resource somewhere - but beta question - venthyr's "slaughter" on sin rogue.... is it intentionally removing our deadly poison or...?
strange python
as far as I know yes
waxen ingot
that's really annoying
silent crescent
i really hope they rework slaughter
like sepsis looked lame as fuck until they made it make sense with legendaries
but idk if conduits can save slaughter
hardy dome
Is it better to level on dugeons or quests? bcs i had a DH and i leveled it with quests on legion stuff
shut garnet
you keep the 460 ring :p
desert canyon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j2dsnCvvgUPqah2G561GhA
Im not quite sure what to do with my corruptions/echos to get more single target dmg
My cloak is at 68 currution resistance. I have 1x sev III; 3x sev II; 3x striketrough III, and 6k echos left.
59% crit
18% haste
39% mastery
7,5% vers
Should i buy another sev III, safe for twisted appendage/expedient when they come to the shop, or straight up spend them on cores so i can apply my strikes?
My main goal is good dmg in m+ but i also want to try to kill some mythic raid bosses
flint compass
Probably not.
umbral rapids
You copy the link and paste it here .
flint compass
Well the ring you’re simming it against is a 425 ring no corruption. It sounded like you were asking if the 410 corruption ring was better than the 460 ring.
heady pier
Does anyone know if it is worth farming 470 azerite pieces that have SS and echoing blades when I have 480 pieces in all three slots but only one SS and EB
For mythic+ btw
heady pier
I mean farming the specific mythic + dungeons for the 470 pieces that have both SS and EB
strange python
that doesnt work
real bay
balmy condor
Always ilvl on mainhand for endgame as well
devout fiber
Would u rather have 2 SS or 1 DD 1 SS?
placid dawn
for me a vendetta trait is a dps loss in raid
balmy condor
Yeah that happens when you get expedient
upbeat latch
hey, is there a general aoe rotation for assa rogue on this discord? i have only found an aoe opener 😛
sour wraith
Anyone mind looking at a n'zoth prog log and seeing if there is anything I can do to improve either my own dps or help my guild out more in some way?
balmy condor
Our rotation depends on traits in aoe @upbeat latch which build are you going
upbeat latch
i am using the one everybody has on raider.io 3x shrouded suffocation and 3x echoing blades
dont have 3x of each yet, because my rogue is fresh but i am farming to get them
balmy condor
Also @sour wraith I’d take a look but it would be just a quick check, getting into the weeds on prog logs can get very time consuming
If you have an EB, you fan on 2
When you have the full 2-3x EB and a bunch of crit, you would then spam fan, maintain bleeds for energy, maintain CT, and use finishers to refresh EP
When you’re undergeared without crit gear it’s fine to just dump envenoms and bleeds on stuff
sour wraith
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/w6NfPdA34W91k7yr#fight=20&type=damage-done
@balmy condor any help would be appreciated - would like to note that my RL has me using vendetta or just focusing psychus most pulls so I'm not going to have a lot of synapse damage on any of the pulls, the one linked should be our last (and best) pull for the night
balmy condor
Link broken
devout fiber
How many targets should we have rupture on as a minimum
sour wraith
hmm
devout fiber
for efficient energy regen?
balmy condor
Depends on your haste
devout fiber
If i see loads of adds i'd focus on trying to apply garrote and haste on all of them
balmy condor
4-5 bleeds total
devout fiber
Then just dump whenever u get max cp
balmy condor
So 3 garrotes from stealth, 1-2 ruptures usually for the crit build
devout fiber
balmy condor
If you don’t have EB, yes you would dump
devout fiber
Oh I got EB
bold dirge
I generally try to get at least 3 ruptures whenever possible
sour wraith
Oh shoot it's a private log 😓 oh well, thanks anyways
balmy condor
Np
devout fiber
if u have EB you just carry on fanning?
balmy condor
Yeah
normal olive
30% crit? Unaccepteble!
devout fiber
@normal olive i'm undergeared still xD
upbeat latch
@balmy condor ty !
bold dirge
I mean for m+ you only run 30-40% i thought
normal olive
without 34% crit i'd just delete my rogue 
devout fiber
Oh
balmy condor
Not with a crit build
normal olive
Oh he's going crit build
balmy condor
Crit build you run around 60%
normal olive
nvm then
devout fiber
I don't even know what build i'm running. I'm just focusing on high ilvl first
got like 451 ilvl
balmy condor
Yep just keep spamming m+ for now
bold dirge
Stat priority means more unless its at least 15 ilvl difference usually
balmy condor
Azerite is going to be difficult to obtain
bold dirge
Heck I ran with 430 ilvl legs over 470 ilvl cause my legs had 12% crit corruption
devout fiber
My gear jumped from being around 410/420 to now 450
bold dirge
Its a good general rule of thumb. Still sim tho
devout fiber
Right will do
What's the crit build used for
and what's the haste build used for?
balmy condor
Sim is definitely the answer, we’re gonna have to disagree on the rule though
bold dirge
Haste is most important stat for ST
balmy condor
Crit build is m+ focused, haste for raid
balmy condor
Gushing wounds
devout fiber
Yeah gushing wounds is coming on the 4th of august
balmy condor
You would go haste/vers I think
devout fiber
RIght thank you
bold dirge
Crit is still good in ST
Haste is just way better
And honestly, GW is aight but I ran 2 of them and barely noticed it. I find twisted appendage 2 better
heady pier
Do you guys run dungeonslice for summing mythic+?
balmy condor
I prefer 5-6 target 1-1:30 min
Simming m+ is very difficult though
Huge grain of salt on that one
Also GW 9 in pvp is the meta
Does like 30% damage or something crazy
bold dirge
I run 38% crit and 33% haste for m+. Working in getting more haste. But it works well for both big pulls and bosses too.
Tho I'm running 15s and not doing mythic raiding, so I do passable dps not optimal
desert canyon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j2dsnCvvgUPqah2G561GhA
Im not quite sure what to do with my corruptions/echos to get more single target dmg
My cloak is at 68 currution resistance. I have 1x sev III; 3x sev II; 3x striketrough III, and 6k echos left.
59% crit
18% haste
39% mastery
7,5% vers
Should i buy another sev III, safe for twisted appendage/expedient when they come to the shop, or straight up spend them on cores so i can apply my strikes?
My main goal is good dmg in m+ but i also want to try to kill some mythic raid bosses
balmy condor
I would spend on the cloak to get your strikes in
bold dirge
Your best ST corruption is expedient 3
balmy condor
He’s not going a haste build
balmy condor
Being 40 corruption behind on your cloak is a lot of missed corruption damage
bold dirge
I would advocate for a twisted appendage only once you've got your stats where they need to be and can afford it
balmy condor
You also got some pieces to replace
bold dirge
Stats mean more than anything else, with % increases being worth more than procs generally. Again, simming > general rule of thumb
desert canyon
yeah too bad i started so late into the expansion :(
Thank you alot. Then i'll keep trying to get some better gear, buy some cores ,apply my stat corruptions and wont bother with appendages 😄
bold dirge
I've got a question that hopefully people better than me can answer tho. I have my opener and rotation pretty much down, except for vanish. I feel like I'm never using it well, just curious when other people use it
bold dirge
I dont run exsanguinate currently, I've been using toxic blades. Thinking about swapping though
balmy condor
With TB you would cast it to refresh the empowered garrote with subterfuge
Or with MA you would vanish and env mut env
bold dirge
So vanish once the empowered garrote is in its pandemic window, or right before it?
balmy condor
Either
You let it drop
Well
If you have at least 1 SS you do
Without SS you can pandemic it since you’re only casting 1 garrote from stealth
With SS you would full pandemic every time you come from stealth, so you would let it drop then
desert canyon
Im confused about when to run subterfuge/MA
Some guides say subterfuge is always better, but is it even without SS azerite in raids?
Or should one always just sim to decide what talent to pick
balmy condor
You sim it
Subterfuge will be better for a lot of people
Ma is better for undergeared characters
desert canyon
MA seems to make more sense in a crit build though :/
desert canyon
because there is already enough crit?
balmy condor
You’re overcapping crit every time your vanish
And that’s not counting any procs or whatever
bold dirge
Is it still worth running 2/3 SS for m+, or just the 1 for combo points?
bold dirge
3 SS, 2 EB, and 1 vendetta, or just 3 ss and 3 eb?
bold dirge
Alrighty. I might have to shift my azerite around a little. Ty!
balmy condor
Np
desert canyon
Last question ^^'
In m+ after i apply garrotes and rupture, should i use envenoms between fans (to get poison bomb), or just ignore combo points and spam fans
balmy condor
How much eb you have
desert canyon
2
balmy condor
Spam fan, finish for EP
desert canyon
ep?
balmy condor
Elaborate planning
strange python
he means finish for eternal palace actually
balmy condor
You right
balmy condor
desert canyon
thank you whispyr very helpful ❤️
strange python
np
balmy condor
Prepatch
balmy condor
strange python
OK
balmy condor
balmy condor
¯_(ツ)_/¯
balmy condor
strange python
true
balmy condor
If you get conflict 4 it’s at least 900 dps
strange python
true
if i add ripple 3 I get another 500 dps ez
and if I get 4 more glimpse
ez 300 dps
strange python
I got unbound 4 8))
bold dirge
Is it to late for me to start grinding to get every rank 4 for that achievement?
strange python
is it worth grinding 23 nazja kills for r1 ripple?
bold dirge
I made good progress so far, I have 0 rank 4s
balmy condor
You mean worse
strange python
no look in the sim
balmy condor
dm
uncut schooner
Ty 🙂
normal olive
Why can't you sim with no items equipped 
uncut schooner
Navi turns up to raid with nothing equipped. "Why do you have no gear?". Navi: Well the sim didn't work with no gear equipped so this must be the best for my dps.
uncut schooner
I feel like at this point I wouldn't even be surprised if you unequipped heart and went into a raid fight only to realise you don't have it when you try to use your essences.
I'm assuming you use essences.
uncut schooner
Classic tier sets.
crimson palm
Shadow res gear if he gets to progress nzoth 
normal olive
that's a good idea m
Major Shadow Protection Potion that absorbs 1666 shadow dmg should be good right?
lilac obsidian
Hey, folks. Got a question.
I'm learning rogue currently, I'm at ilvl 443 or so, and I'm working on farming echoes for essences, etc. I don't have any r3s on this guy yet (just got 120 a couple days ago), but I'm trying to decide what order to farm them in, if I'm going to primarily be doing PVP (BGs for now, arenas eventually).
Currently, I have the ability to grab r3 of either: Breath of the Dying, Concentrated Flame, Lucid Dreams, or Focusing Iris, which one should I grab first?
strange python
Breath for pvp
lilac obsidian
that's what i figured, but wanted to ask to be sure before i spent the echoes
strange python
and conflict when u can
lilac obsidian
yeah, i'm just going to have to actually farm conflict the "hard" way, never got r3
but i'm about to cap conquest and then I'll just find some rando to get 1k rating with so I can have at least r2 by tuesday, then work on getting more gear and getting better at arenas to get to 3
main warren
@grim canopy it just adds an extra poison for 5 mins that steals healing. Probably only useful for pvp.
dark crag
It overrides your lethal poison and adds deadly as shadow dmg + you steal % healing received by the target
silent crescent
slaughter kinda nice tbh, get a good bolstering sanguine week and cuck the healer by stunning in the pools
grim canopy
so covenents never really were a choice w/ abilities that bad
silent crescent
idk how you tune abilities like sepsis or slaughter to not very heavily favor 1 spec over another
balmy condor
some of them are kinda rubbish atm
silent crescent
bone spike is the only well designed one imo
fleet anchor
silent crescent
i think sepsis is good but hard to make it fair between the specs
silent crescent
like if you pick sepsis bc its good for your spec, could feel really bad if the spec gets nerfed
normal olive
Then just change covenant
silent crescent
just
normal olive
you don't lose your progress in your old covenant and there is catchup
silent crescent
w/e if it's not that bad, like a conquest cap type thing where you can rush it and be back to speed quickly, fine
but if they are doing that... why not make it an easy swap
silent crescent
that's what i mean
normal olive
but since we don't exactly know how that looks there isn't really a reason to argue
as soon as we know more it's time to argue about it
grim canopy
i wanted to be vampire people, so I hope they fix slaughter
silent crescent
I feel like you could fix it for pve by making have a heal absorb. Either heal through the heal absorb and heal the rogue, or don't heal through it and take a burst of damage.
Something like that
quiet radish
!wa
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Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
outer lotus
Well master assassin legendary kinda ties the specs together with Sepsis imo
hybrid harness
I suppose bone spike isnt classed as a bleed?
plain thistle
its a bleed, but doesnt work with venomous wound if thats what you asking
hybrid harness
More in line with the legendary
https://shadowlands.wowhead.com/spell=340082/doomblade this one to be specific
quiet radish
What does everyone recommend for essences for mythic hivemind, Personally im using BOTE major then breath, C&S but not sure for the 3rd. Should i use purification protocol or something else
balmy condor
If you have enough haste, you can run iris minor
pine flax
but i dont know if its worth holding bote
pine flax
ok
quiet radish
yeah i think my haste is good for now im at 82% haste unbuffed 🙂 thank for the tip
balmy condor
Np
quiet radish
Sorry one last thing would it be wise to use empowered proximity potions on that fight or not really needed and just stick with focus resolve
quiet radish
thanks i will do that
stray ivy
why did they put back in slice and dice
its just an extra buff to upkeep. they will adjust DPS to compensate for the extra haste
balmy condor
Because that’s what they decided to do?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Blizzard thought that it was good to unprune
It’s fine for sub and outlaw, sin just needs the energy bonus back
stray ivy
nerds wanted unpruning
balmy condor
I think a wide majority of people wanted unpruning
Considering that’s one of the main complaints of legion’s class reworks
Not just nerds
stray ivy
ya well have fun pressing SND every 30sec!
balmy condor
I probably will, because I enjoy playing the game and one ability won’t ruin that
stray ivy
another gcd on setup
balmy condor
I hope you have fun playing whatever you decide to play as well :)
stray ivy
kingsbane button press > snd button press
umbral rapids
Man sin only has damage GCDs don’t even
umbral rapids
What’s kingsbane
balmy condor
I’m hitting crimson tempest every 10 seconds right now
Kingsbane was artifact ability in legion
umbral rapids
Oh
balmy condor
Was a poison that did more damage if you applied poisons during it
So it would scale over the whole duration
The last ticks hit like a truck
umbral rapids
Ooh that sounds fun
stray ivy
it rocked
balmy condor
Yeah was pretty good
balmy condor
;)
vital haven
whispyr sucks
balmy condor
:( bully
vital haven
there i said it
verbal sparrow
I was thinking and I just realized I maybe don't want the corruptions to go away, I like having shitton of haste for ticks 
verbal sparrow
tbh this is the patch I'm playing the longest I've ever played
balmy condor
Tomb of Sargeras was pretty sick
verbal sparrow
I played almost whole bfa
if i don't count the breaks
I wish I could play at least legion, seems fun
strange python
Legion ❤️
verbal sparrow
I'm mad at myself because I haven't been convinced to play wow earlier Sadge
but at least I'm the one and definietly the only champion of azeroth
strange python
god please no
normal olive
oh god yes
balmy condor
If it’s fok single target with double slappers
I’m gonna have to tell you
Someone beat you to that
And it was pretty sick on hivemind
normal olive
fok single target? wat
normal olive
yeah that i know
normal olive
but why st? isn't hivemind a cleave fight
balmy condor
The bosses still spread out
normal olive
yeah that part i understand for the fok st that was what i was thinking abou
balmy condor
I swear to god, prepatch and shadowlands gonna hit
And navi is gonna be like “HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS BUILD”
And the Influx of new people
normal olive
balmy condor
Are just gonna blindly follow internet man
You’re like infexious without the accent
Oh no
strange python
I wanna see people leveling with triple scent of blood
normal olive
oh yeah that's a good question, do azerite pieces work after bfa
like are they gonna do the same as legiondarys and cap it at 55 or something
strange python
I think essences and traits works until a certain level
strange python
ok
balmy condor
55 maybe
strange python
so who will try my build
balmy condor
Or maybe 51
strange python
in SL
balmy condor
No
strange python
but
healing reduction on your wound poison
so u can get budget covenant ability for free!
normal olive
I hope the night fae ability stays
gotta delay that vanish for a minute for that vanish -> vanish gameplay
normal olive
that man understands me
normal olive
Or the keryian ability
strange python
"OK BOSS IS HIT BY THE ANTI FUN ABILITY"
normal olive
whenever you reach the exact combo points you mfd because reasons
strange python
you open with 5 poisoned knives
normal olive
strange python
then MFD > vanish vanish
normal olive
Keryian and using poison knive to reach the cp you need
normal olive
Heck yeah
robust oxide
Should I use logic loop of recursion (465 with socket) or logic loop of division without? Using 3 different abilities sounds like it will be easy to manage?
balmy condor
Division procs off of bleed ticks
I think the recursion would be better with the socket because the socket would be worth more than the uptime you’re losing
But division is better for sure
You can sim that though just to double check
robust oxide
I will use the division for easier usage and get farming those mementos 😦
thanks for the quick reply mate
balmy condor
Np
strange python
devout fiber
What ilvl does LFR drop again?
main warren
430
devout fiber
Is it worth doing even if you're 455ilvl?
main warren
440 for last two
main warren
If ur tryna squeeze out every drop sure
devout fiber
Only 125
is that from first completion weekly
or ontop
of what i get from bosses
and is that also worth
balmy condor
That’s weekly
main warren
the 125 is from wing completion
balmy condor
Yeah
devout fiber
aight so it worth it then
devout fiber
Other than horrifics?
normal olive
2s
devout fiber
Has to be rated?
balmy condor
Echoes
normal olive
yes
balmy condor
Yeah
devout fiber
Don't have my buddy on rn
balmy condor
I would say m+ is probably faster echoes as well
normal olive
Yeah if you are not used to arena it will take even longer
normal olive
It doesn't have to be intime for the weekly
balmy condor
Weekly doesn’t need to be in time
devout fiber
So what does being on time do for you?
normal olive
More loot
balmy condor
Upgrade the key
normal olive
from the chest at the end
normal olive
The feeling of not getting Mechagon rings 
balmy condor
Bis for raids yeah
normal olive
Workshop
Wait night fae actually gives us 2 restealths
If the ability stays the same
normal olive
There is a soulbind that let's you stealth after exiting the vox form thingy
Dunno if it works with subterfuge, would test if i had beta 
main warren
that might be pretty cozy if it counts as a real stealth
normal olive
If anyone has beta, would be a great thing to test
upbeat latch
Is it worth refreshing garrote in aoe situations after the empowered garrote runs out?
normal olive
You want to keep up 4-5 bleeds for energy regen
arctic walrus
empowered garrotes > ruptures > normal garrote is your priority in terms of what bleeds to keep up for 4-5
normal olive
Whenever your sims tell you to
silent crescent
@devout fiber sim deeper strategem, probably stronger bc you dont need the energy if exsang is simming over tb
autumn compass
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i9nuVdZFNFg6ev6dZUy9v6 anyone who is more experienced with simming and with assa able to help me find my best assa m+ set with what I've got?
main warren
oof
autumn compass
yeah not a single azerite has dropped with SS+EB for my horde rogue, ever
autumn compass
yeah I mean like, I have bought dozens of pieces
autumn compass
465 and 480, hoping for SS+EB for assa m+ fun, or snake eyes+wits for a secret pvp ol build, was pretty unlucky
balmy condor
yeah if you're rolling for SS+EB you should roll 465 first
traits over ilvl in this case
autumn compass
yeah I had bought 12 465 chests in a row once, got the same piece each time
8 of the same helms in a row
balmy condor
that's quite unfortunate
silent crescent
lol i came back to the game recently and got EB SS pieces for chest and shoulders as my 1st 2 items
only 2 gambles in for head atm
hoping I get lucky for it too
severe narwhal
which does more ST damage , crit build or haste build- this will be for keys
dire spoke
Im afraid its not really that simple
pine flax
for aoe what should i play talent wise?
main adder
Someone here once told me that judging rogues purely on parsing is a waste of tgime, because many timnes rogues parse low and has nothing to do with success, is that true, and how do you explain that to those who only look at parsing when sitting people in raids?
balmy condor
more single target damage would be haste build
but crit build does more overall
@pine flax 221222(1/3) (crimson tempest is the go-to if you don't have any TTK traits)
@main adder parses are always a little janky, but there's nothing that makes rogue parses less viable than non-rogue parses
queen kernel
My spec history is dubious
Vanilla - Arms
TBC - Combat
Wrath - Ret
Cata - Survival
Panda & Warlords - n/a
Legion - Havoc and Ret
BFA - Havoc
Lots of low skill floor there.
Am I too bad to make a good run at rogue again?
balmy condor
not at all, anyone can learn rogue with enough practice :)
assassin isn't a very difficult spec to begin with
there's just a couple weird mechanics like pandemic
but generally, outlaw and sin are both pretty beginner friendly
queen kernel
Even though I have a lot of keybinds, I struggle with the idea of having kick and gouge and blind and stubs and just get paralysis with so many options for every scenario
balmy condor
kick is just like interrupt
and most of our other CC is situational or out of combat
queen kernel
Seems like good rogues use about 40 abilities every combat
There was a reason I did combat back in BT days
balmy condor
yeah that's more of a m+ thing
you'll rarely see blind used in raids, but its good as an interrupt
distract is never used in raids
neither is shroud
queen kernel
I couldn’t do positional fighting well and now I know that’s not really a thing
balmy condor
if you want to be a decent enough rogue in pve, you really only need kick, and kidney in combat
everything else would just be out of combat skips and stuff
queen kernel
My friends and I do mid level Mythics a lot. As Havoc it’s easy to shine. Not sure I’m good enough to get similar results with what I perceive as a more complicated class (rogue)
balmy condor
as long as you learn the skips, you'll be fine
queen kernel
As you can see I change mains nearly every expac so I’m looking for a new home in SL