it will be less damage
#assassination
strange python
then do it
hollow jolt
and have 90+ parses
thin gate
has some1 already tested the Shadowlands Legendaries?
balmy condor
yeah then just slam gushing
strange python
y
hollow jolt
9 gushers next week
strange python
😮
hollow jolt
free gladiator
thin gate
just go 9 x masterfull and play sub rogue
for 400k crits
@balmy condor they got leaked
@balmy condor or not
i saw them on wowhead
balmy condor
there's been raid testing today
hollow jolt
yea mantle is back
balmy condor
for hours
and people have been testing otherwise as well
the shiv one doesn't work last I heard
the nighthold set bonus is pretty okay
and the rest are kinda niche underwhelming only use sometimes stuff that I haven't seen too much of
well I mean
gushing pog
hollow jolt
but you put expedient 3 on the dagger too
hollow jolt
also I probably wouldn't wear the boots, probably just the 485 daggers for raid
balmy condor
what was I trying to do
hollow jolt
IF I EVENTUALLY GET THEM
balmy condor
yeah
strange python
and couldnt trade 😦
hollow jolt
well yea
thin gate
@normal olive maybe trinkets u can proc on purpose to increase it
balmy condor
kinda big
thin gate
@normal olive like the kingsrest trinket
normal olive
i'm thinking about plum and dice
balmy condor
unlucky
at least you can copy paste them in
and then you don't have to redo the whole thing
normal olive
Oh yeah forgot that
Wait if i use Vendetta with Master Assassin, does NP crit the whole duration
or only the first 3 seconds
balmy condor
first 3 seconds
normal olive
and with Nightstalker?
balmy condor
if it were to crit the whole duration, that would be a crit snapshot
I'm actually not sure how NP interacts with nightstalker
I assume it would buff the whole thing
like any other dot
but you'd have to be careful that the NP ticks first and you lose nightstalker before casting something else
thin gate
guys how is masterful so crap for rogue
i mean we got the vendor azerite pieces which increase 1k mastery per proc
thats like 3k mastery proc
balmy condor
That’s cause you’re comparing it to awful essences and talents
balmy condor
That’s worse than sub rogue dude
silent crescent
I run full mastery so that the bleed from my kidney shot is stronger
fleet whale
i'm about to show you this meta talent set up
normal olive
oblique lark
Crit build isn't much worse than the exp build, why do you keep writing that it's just for the m+?
even if one asks about st dps 🙂
balmy condor
Pog dude
And idk who you’re talking to smoker, but yeah, crit build is fine for ST is just slightly worse
Just need different azerite
But that’s how we started the patch basically
Pretty good imo
thin gate
is the 4% crit damage actually good?
if u go full crit and sockets with crit
then 4% crit damage increase?
oblique lark
u can check pin for my guide, and difference between crti/exp just 6-7k with bis gear, so crit build better for new people obviously
for both m+ and raid
normal olive
What azerite do you use for the crit build?
hollow jolt
pretty much can't play m+ without crit and EB
normal olive
Since 3EB 3SS isn't that easy to come by
oblique lark
yea ofc need swap azerite
balmy condor
You can play haste in m+ too
oblique lark
but corruption nope
hollow jolt
but its way worse than crit
balmy condor
For a crit build you’d need DD
hollow jolt
except for jy
oblique lark
cant in high pull keys
thin gate
does any1 have a link for me where i can see the "New" Legendaries in action ?
hollow jolt
yea and your bote window wont be as big
hollow jolt
yea but even in junk its like even
ryfie tested it and its just slightly noticeable I think
cause the more dmg you have in ST on jy you lack in aoe so
oblique lark
@thin gate most of them don't work 😦
balmy condor
Yeah they added lego’s
And half of them are just broken
The shiv legendary does nothing lmao
Like actually 0
thin gate
im askin myself if the blood thing may be a thing
maybe this combo building = a bonus bleeding + Multilate bleeding + Envenom dps increase
low girder
it seems built off the t19 set so it should count for venomous wounds, the original did
thin gate
or actually just the "legion" build with 100% Vanish crit and 30% more damage @30% health
oblique lark
~7% overall with muti bleed + env bonus
thin gate
well lets see how it works out on live server
low girder
oh i meant the mutilate dot
thin gate
oh, okay
balmy condor
Mantle in 2020
low girder
the t19 bonus was 20% mutilate dmg over 8s, which was easy to keep up for venomous wounds energy
3s kinda short
especially with trash haste compared to now
could still be good though
oblique lark
this leg (mut bleed) doesn't count for venomous wounds
low girder
oof
thin gate
but it does add up with the "combo building" bleeding
for the envenom 5% per bleeding
or?
balmy condor
All the legendaries are so borked dude
low girder
i'm just sad about the shiv one, the more i thought about it the more i realized how pointless it is vs the other effects
oh well
balmy condor
Lmao
low girder
i saved at most like 5 globals woo
low girder
lmao
balmy condor
Navi pls no
oblique lark
))
normal olive
so you don't have to dot multiple before going big dick
Gr -> rupture -> shiv
that's gonna be a sick aoe opener
somber egret
Please let exang spread off that shiv
normal olive
it says it spreads your bleeds
shouldn't it just replicate your rupture and garrote onto other targets as those exact copies and count towards the energy?
warm parcel
yes
somber egret
Ooo big exang rupture garrote bleeds everywhere
warm parcel
With NH tier I meant the mut bleed lego
normal olive
ah
warm parcel
THe shiv one should just copy your regular bleeds
somber egret
Booo
warm parcel
That was a thing in bfa beta
You had a talent that just spread your bleeds passively
main warren
some poison prolif like PoE would be pretty pog
median badge
while leveling i managed to get 3 SS but my haste is kind of low
is it worth to go exsang or stay tb
lone junco
@warm parcel does the orange mut bleed stack or refresh?
primal quest
does elaborate planning affect the azerite beams dmg by 10% + ?
balmy condor
@median badge you can sim that in top gear
outer lotus
primal quest
oh ok thanks mate !
balmy condor
Also the mut bleed refreshes if it works like the set
balmy condor
That second mut shouldn’t be there
The bote should be earlier
The galecaller is after the exsang, so it actually did nothing
strange python
so gar //rap//gar //vendetta+ gale //mute // rap // exsang // mut // bote // envenom?
balmy condor
What about it
strange python
if i do it after the Exsang i can prbl do 2
if i do mut mut bote env i can do like 3 before i have to reset gar
balmy condor
Envenom isn’t your big damage
drifting cloud
you bote to get the minor up asap, garrote is doing all the dmg
balmy condor
^
strange python
ye garrot does the dmg
drifting cloud
or not the minor but the debuff part of the major
balmy condor
Everything crits
balmy condor
Why do you think bote is so strong
ruby ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ahwvM87JRtCwjgnXwcRgE1
So, this is where I'm at right now, the stat weights are weird... but I'm trying to see where I can improve. I did Heroic last night, and feel like I parsed really well (avg for the night was 89; range being 84-95) but I was frequently out DPSd by folks who had worse listed parses. Is it worth it to make any gear changes to try and eek out more DPS, or am I still limited by the ilvl of my gear at this point?
balmy condor
stat weights are always going to be pretty fucky
you shouldn't ever need to use stat weights
ruby ibex
So, other than banking on getting Cutting Edge and amazing socketed 475 chest drops, am I more or less at capacity?
drifting cloud
I mean not really
youre close, but not that close
I dont know by memory if any vendor azerite is better than hc raden helm, youre missing like 4 sockets
wrathion dagger should also be better in mh
balmy condor
irontide is ALMOST better
ruby ibex
Wrathion dagger w/o socket and expedient tho? Also yeah, Im missing 4 sockets >.>
drifting cloud
well youd obviously have to socket and exp it
ruby ibex
Cant do that until Aug 11th :/
drifting cloud
so like I said your gear is decent its just not capped
boe leather boots if you really cared for the 300 dps
and lets say like 2 neck levels before it starts to ramp up into unreasonable numbers
honest vessel
should check if formless void minor is better than lucid at that much exp
ruby ibex
Would 2x 475 Wrathion daggers out perform the 2x 470 Shards, assuming all are socketed with expedients, or is that too much of a haste loss?
drifting cloud
just try it in gear compare
honest vessel
probably not the offhand, but the mainhand would likely be better
low girder
MH would, offhand would have to be simmed
honest vessel
wDPS big import
drifting cloud
in mh its defo better tho yeah
low girder
vers is still decent, especially when you have none of it
ruby ibex
Fersher, also simming the 480 irontide
low girder
you may have to do some shenanigans if you want to test it with CT
i dunno, whispyr would know more about that
ruby ibex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k4zBfmrVabaWr6sjin639s
Looks like just taking 2 wrathion daggers w/ expedient and gems would be the upgrade, nearly 1k more
Wow, @honest vessel the swap to formless void is huge on it's own - good looking out lol
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/owwr5vtGkQicr2DqecHZhS
honest vessel
🙂
rancid bobcat
it's useless unless your guild can match the uptime in sims
fallow otter
It does assume uptime though
Dog my raid is like nearly 100% but wrath is way lower than that because of mechanics
Depends if your teams run crucible etc
It's pretty safe to assume 80% though
ruby ibex
So reasonable to switch traits?
river hearth
I'm just starting back up with Assassin for the first time since 8.1. Two questions, first, am I going to be bad in Keys if I don't have Echoing Blade? I just only have 1 set of azerite right now and none of have it.
balmy condor
haste is fine
river hearth
Second, why the change from double dose to SS?
balmy condor
expedient is hella pog
fallow otter
It does more damage and is more versatile for all the cleave in raid and can be used for keys, it's an easy switch
Basically only upsides
All thanks to expedients ^
It's fun taking my full raid spec unchanged except for swapping out GCB into high key m+ just for a change
strange python
Is there any experienced rogue alive right now to look some stuff and give me a little suggestion how to get max value of what I have right now? I kinda realize what should I do in long way to get it better but so far I just want to know if there something that I can change in my toon right away to be prepared for some raid tomorrow.
strange python
Basicaly I have all rank 3 essences except one for Nazjatar pvp stuff.
balmy condor
:( yes dad
strange python
No echoes. 
And I don't have logs but it usualy says that I jucking up refreshing of garrote and don't use maximum value of vanish (on boses like Ilgynoth well).
balmy condor
So while the sim is running
Your corruptions are pretty rough
Which is where most of your loss is coming from
Aight yeah not much too see
I simmed on mobile so a little jank, might’ve missed something
The void titanshard is hot garbage
So don’t use that
Next steps are higher ilvl azerite, expediente3 corruptions (coming on 8/11), mecha rings, trinket upgrades
Neither one of those trinkets are any good
strange python
Ya, I'm working to get better gear, and changing some stuff as well as corruption.
I believe that I also need change azerith pieces as far as I can.
strange python
Is it actually possible with this gear get better dps as outlaw? Because I have 475 and 465 sword for it with 12% crit corruption.
balmy condor
Idk, those aren’t in your bag
So I can’t sim it
But I’m also not an outlaw person
I hate outlaw
I assume they would sim pretty high
strange python
Ya, rng is kinda ds there.
balmy condor
I can’t tell you off the top of my head if it sims better
I’m good but I’m not that good
balmy condor
Cause he has nothing else
steep obsidian
😛
strange python
It was an alt for a while.
I came back not far ago and I was playing warrior for stupid reason. 
strange python
I don't like warrior gameplay in general.
balmy condor
Aha
steep obsidian
arms pops when you know how to play it
strange python
Rogue is my thing.
steep obsidian
if you suck at it its kinda bad
balmy condor
I’ve never seen that much vers in my life xD
fallow otter
if you suck at it its kinda bad
@steep obsidian insert every class here
steep obsidian
no
strange python
Gonna jump at m+ and raids.
balmy condor
Can’t suck at havoc
strange python
I might use value of this vers on arena though.
steep obsidian
the meta for the guys runnin stupid high keys is full verse just so they can live right now lol
gleaming prism
Question about golden plumage: why is it that it's bis as an on-use vers?
balmy condor
Because it’s a lot of vers
arctic walrus
because it's on use vers
balmy condor
And it’s a lot of damage on burst
And burst is a lot of our damage
So a lot of damage + a lot of damage * a lot of damage = a lot of damage
gleaming prism
Vers gives us burst dam?
balmy condor
Vers gives us damage
gleaming prism
Didn't think it was a prio for raid build
balmy condor
And plumage gives us vers
arctic walrus
an on use gives you burst damage
arctic walrus
agility is your worst stat, everyone ran font in ep still
it's the amount that it gives, not exclusively the stat
gleaming prism
I see. So it's the giant amount of vers for the 20 sec duration that makes it worth it
balmy condor
Yep
fallow otter
And that it lines up with vend
river hearth
Is there an ilvl or stat lvl I should wait for before I start using SS on my gear? Sim still says double dose.
grizzled jay
Need quite a bit of haste before SS sims better.
balmy condor
Just keep simming
You’ll need a couple expedient probably
But it’s not too difficult
grizzled jay
Even with 60% DD simmed better not by a lot but was better. After 70 SS and Crimson Tempest started to pull ahead. But that's my character. Sim yours often and see what's what
fallow otter
Diavolo, did you try ss without CT?
At 60 it's likely ss is better but maybe not ct
balmy condor
60% seems a little extreme
I’m guessing you were really optimized into TB at that point
proper solstice
quick question. MH OH enchants for raiding and for Mythic+(BfA)?
balmy condor
Quick/deadly for raids deadly/versa for m+
grizzled jay
@fallow otter CT is better for me, by like 500-600 dps. Could be more but I'm missing a few gems and a mythic raden trinket.
fallow otter
Yeah I mean when you were comparing whether to switch to ss or not from DD, did you sim with ss and Pb?
honest vessel
SS becomes better than DD before CT becomes better than PB
but you would do it with exsanguinate over TB
there are haste levels where, on ST, PB and SS are the best option
grizzled jay
I simmed with all the relevant talents. But yes SS became better before CT.
drifting cloud
yeah and its way before 60% assuming bis azerite setups
grizzled jay
Def don't have bis azerite
My triple DD TB setup was better gear wise. So the 3SS build is a tad more scuffed and required more haste from my character specifically
grizzled jay
Sims better so. Even tho it's negligible. Wasn't the BiS profile also simmed to run mastery proc
fallow otter
Yeah can depend on trinkets drops from chest though
strange python
With that much corruption, how@do you manage all the damage from corruption
thin gate
Raden / Wrathion / Dices / Flag / Versa trinket are the viable options on 7
7-9 Expedient build
@fallow otter is the SOTS Flag Trinket better than Versa Trinket from Kingsrest ? on 7+ Expedient
fallow otter
With that much corruption, how@do you manage all the damage from corruption
@strange python just simming for when we have 125 cloak resist
@fallow otter is the SOTS Flag Trinket better than Versa Trinket from Kingsrest ? on 7+ Expedient
@thin gate some fights its an easy decision, galecallers has always simmed better for me but if i need to swap it out for one because of the fight movement, it'll likely be the plumage (KR trinket)
strange python
did you test clockwork shoulders/chest
76 corruption wtf
you'r raiding group must be really optimized qq
umbral rapids
He’s simming for 125 cor resist
strange python
Oh ok @fallow otter , i thought I was doing something wrong I do keys and raid under 40 cor
fallow otter
did you test clockwork shoulders/chest
@strange python nah not yet, ive only got shoulders
ill try those
ooooo
check chest, its negligible
strange python
Thats lower than I thought for that Gear
Vita doesnt sim higher? On mobile, can't really make out the Icons
fallow otter
yeh you drop vita with RP but you keep vita if u go HM, vita+hm is very close so its better for raid obv for vita
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fx4bAsUP2vtLPfokHx56Cw
Kinda weird that I was simming higher without the m+ Chest luck, 1 missing Socket, 18 less corruption and a 475 OH
Neck lvl carries i guess
patent topaz
well, your corruptions and gear isnt good for outlaw
thin gate
i mean Expedient for the Adrenaline Rush Haste
for 400% haste
to make trinekts and other stuff proc
and my raden weapon
patent topaz
doesnt matter that much, its still not good
thin gate
ok
patent topaz
firstly, you should have asked in outlaw
fallow otter
@patent topaz nfi only thing i can see is neck obv stats i just simmed random 475s i have
and you're using vers foods
amber bone
is anyone able to give me some help figuring out what im doing wrong here? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gfx47y9bfwg7Fh1GRzDKJq
I sim for about 74k dps, but average about 45k-50k for ST fights, which seems low - i think it's either my gear/lack of corruptions or my rotation is wrong
for trinkets i also have a 460 torment jar and a 460 boon, i didnt get any overall dps increase from dice/jar
shut garnet
thin gate
guys honest question
is the mechagon ring which deals nature damage
close to the haste one?
with 7-9 expedient
strange python
no
thin gate
i mean the 8k nature damage compared to the haste proc
fallow otter
yeh its not even close
silent crescent
Like 500 dps vs a big amount of haste lol
thin gate
so i should get the 2 mechagon rings + the SOTS trinket
can i send some1 my SIMC string?
strange python
you can get a plumage for a little less dps instead of gcb if kr is easier to farm for you
fallow otter
@strange python i still dont know why your sim is so pog thats weird
just more haste gear i think
thin gate
@strange python my vita is just 460 and my 475 dice and 475 wrathion(+socket) are better...
and my guild aint doing raden atm
we @ nzoth progressing all the time
cant get the 475 vita...
strange python
unfortunate
strange python
470 is the first 5mask of the week
then it goes down by 5 ilvls for each other in the week
dull crypt
Ye its once per week Ruggz, not once total
median badge
Oh sweet. For some reason I thought it was a one time thing haha
So I’m simming the Expedient build against TB and they’re literally ~700 dps difference. Which is easier to maintain? Lol
thin cargo
Preference really
median badge
My lack of haste atm is a big part so I think expedient will pull ahead soon.
strange python
i like tb more
thin cargo
Exsang should come soon, but CT takes a pretty good amount of haste
uneven aspen
Can someone explain me why I should use galecallers with vendetta, and not after exsang?
fathom swift
because exsang snapshots the haste you had when you cast it to determine tick rate
thin gate
guys
backstab mechagon ring or 3 cast mechagon ring ?
i mean the backstab should sim better i guess but the 3 cast is overall useable or not
uneven aspen
Thanks @fathom swift , didn't know snapshotting was still a thing
strange python
stop being lazy and farm the proper rings
nature dmg with 3 spells aint cutting it
thin gate
no not nature dmg
i mean
i want to farm them now
im asking for the haste proc ring
but with that to combine
the one where 3 spells are needed or the backstab effect
bcs there are some phases like ilgynoth (adds @ wall) which i cant backstab
do i have enough haste with 85% base haste to play the 3 spell one?
bcs i can play the 100% uptime of the backstab one @most bosses but not @all
uneven aspen
I just had a quick look into my ilgy log and I see myself with 98% ring uptime
with behind the target
fathom swift
yeah exsang is like one of the only abilities that still has some kind of snapshot
thin gate
aight so i go for t he backstab one
ty, thats what i wanted to know
so backstab> way more viable than 3 spell one
strange python
So is it normal to lower your sim time from 5min to 3 depending how long fights are lasting for you
umbral rapids
That’s the smart thing to do
strange python
its how i do mine
normal olive
depends on how assa is gonna look like
green basalt
heard a few say its boring af
normal olive
normal olive
Not if you only play one spec out of 3 
hallow coyote
Depends. I'm going to level my Rogue and Warrior, and decide then
green basalt
kinda intrested in sub
hallow coyote
I really hope Sub is viable in SL
Wanted to try it all BFA, just not worth it after Uldir
spice spire
If Navi isn’t playing sin how will we hear about the openers 
tribal obsidian
Im just hoping sub ends up being good
normal olive
I liked being the only rogue in a guild when master loot was a thing
with perso loot it's a nightmare
spice spire
True. Shard of the empire luck is pretty :^)
green basalt
still progressing on carpacé
green basalt
subtle tundra
cara on farm is like 6 min
normal olive
Well we are gonna wipe on ilg first anyway
green basalt
takes u s 5 min roughly to get to p3
normal olive
if you cloak on ilg does it cleanse the aura thingy?
subtle tundra
checked the logs from last week, it was a 5 min kill for us
hallow coyote
Yeah if you cloak on M Ilg it dispels the debuff and wipes the raid on the no dispel strat
lean marten
@normal olive yes but u only pop it when its smol
normal olive
Allrighty just asking since i like to panic press it when shit goes down
lean marten
i only use it if a bunch of buffs are out and healers struggling, but tahts the dispel strat
normal olive
we wanna play the no dispell strat
normal olive
Yeah sunday is first day on ilg
Guess i'll just remove cloak from my bars
If we get 10/12 i'ma be happy, first time mythic raiding since Nighthold
green basalt
my guild to, only started mythic raiding with new team in EP
got to queens court
miss benthic farm
green basalt
normal olive
Well not anymore really, people stayed and now we are a scuffed "guild" raid
spice spire
10/12 M pug, actual god gamer btw
green basalt
10/12 m feral druid!
normal olive
Well atm 7/12, but Shad and Drest are just reclears for the group and then it's wiping on ilgy
stiff flint
most people go vex or ra-den before ilgy
normal olive
we did raden and then vex
green basalt
and vita
normal olive
We aren't reclearing
we just want to get bosses down so we just extend
since dmg isn't really a problem with most bosses
main warren
I'm in the same position, a group that just stuck together. Not on ilg yet tho. Ilg is my sleep paralysis demon.
tranquil dust
Can anyone provide some sort of direction for better parsing/class improvement? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/proudmoore/konstrukt#difficulty=4 The only thing I added from last week to this week is cleave damage from Crimson Tempest and dropping Poison Bomb because it was barely doing any damage at all. I also was given tips to "cheese" a little on big add fights, like using Focusing Iris for AOE damage, but not really sure this is what is going to make me a better player or parse into high purple and into orange. My rotations were a little fudged last night because I literally just threw in Crimson Tempest, so I'll be working on a more consistent rotation, but if anyone can just point out anything else that would help me improve the most, please let me know. Thanks in advance! (will be getting full expedient when it comes back so that may help as well)
vast forum
don't use iris for aoe damage
you missed an envenom cast on your best shad'har pull in the opener
you didn't vanish right after the exsang garrotes fell off, but used a normal garrote first (missing a lot of vendetta with super strong garrotes
you used your 2nd exsang 1 min into the fight instead of ~50 sec
you used a bunch of poison knives, but no shadowsteps, so i assume you could have had higher uptime on the boss if you fixed that
you used 2nd pot 20 sec after you used your 2nd round of CDs
tranquil dust
Yeah I think I need a WA to throw my potion CD up there with my other CDs on what I'm using currently
I'm pretty bad at lining up my CDs together too, but I will work on that
Probably need to just work on practice dummy alot to get that down
So mostly doing my rotation and CDs at the right time so far?
vast forum
well i only went through your casts on 1 shad'har log
i don't really have time to go through all the bosses
but it should give you a general idea
tranquil dust
Thats no problem, just any kind of direction. If that is the biggest thing you see.
tranquil dust
Working on that lol
vast forum
galecaller or plumage
tranquil dust
KR has not been nice to me
Neither has Mechagon for that matter
What would you suggest on AOE fights like Hive if I don't have any echoing blades azerite gear atm? Should I just use Iris for the time being?
balmy condor
Just pump boss
vast forum
logs on hivemind don't matter
just do what's best for the group and kill the bosses fast
tranquil dust
That works for me, lol - thank you for your help and guidance 🙂
vast forum
if any1 ever says you're bad because you don't have good pad logs, they're bad 🙂
my worst logs are hivemind/vexiona/carapace/drest/n'zoth, all fights where fire mages delete adds and i don't get to pad 🙂
i have a 99 on boss dmg on 3/5 of those 😛
lean marten
pad isn't in those logs anymore i thought
vital haven
it is
changed it back
you can still a really good log on hivemind even without echoing blades
vast forum
depends what you mean by really good
vital haven
parse percentage
vital haven
oh you mean number wise
vast forum
while having 99s on all non-pad bosses
vital haven
prob anything above 95
lean marten
we have 1fmage and 3bm's. small adds still evaporate
vast forum
ye, 95+ without EB is perfectly doable
lean marten
ravager, darter, and bosses all that u should worry about
vast forum
99 is also doable if you kick all mages from the grp 😄
patent topaz
hivemind is so shit, especially when it takes 2:20
fleet whale
so the goal for early Shadowlands raiding is to get to 34% crit ASAP right?
balmy condor
Naturally
fleet whale
GL with that without corruption
balmy condor
But we have alacrity 
normal olive
fleet whale
for now, the blizz class preview seems to imply that we are supposed to get some sort of talent that will buff shiv?
balmy condor
Yeah wouldn’t that be cool
normal olive
i want that
balmy condor
To get class changes
normal olive
halcyon saddle
Any thoughts on covenants or changes for Rogue? for SL
normal olive
balmy condor
Slice and dice is boring
halcyon saddle
I really like bone spike
fleet whale
it will probably get nerfed
and yeah SnD just seems like adding back a button for the sake of adding one back
halcyon saddle
Probably switching from Ret to Rogue as pally is a dumpster fire
balmy condor
Wait
fleet whale
(for assassin anyway, the ability fits well enough in sub and outlaw)
halcyon saddle
Maining it at least
balmy condor
You think ret is a dumpster fire
So you came HERE?
Out of all the places to come
You decided this one
fleet whale
thing is rogue really isn't a dumpster fire
it's just in a shitty middle ground
not bad enough to get some big changes
but not great enough to be exciting
balmy condor
We’re months behind every other class in terms of development
halcyon saddle
Its a pure dps melee should be solid
fleet whale
doesn't mean gameplay is all great though
balmy condor
If you liked rogue in bfa at all, it’s like that, but sub is better, sin is kinda janky, and outlaw is the same but with less control
fleet whale
I do see potential in sub yeah, probably gonna roll it early game like i did in bfa
halcyon saddle
How poor is the gameplay? I enjoyed Sin in BFA and sub is getting improvements so I'm open to it.
fleet whale
it's not really poor
and i can only speak from observation
but for sin at least
it's gonna be a huge drop in APM which will feel bad, and it could be in a state where it's just too many plates to spin
garrote, rupture, and snd is all maintenance
halcyon saddle
Just curious on how people feel. Covenants are a big deal and they aren't appealing for ret. Only downside is early gearing is a bit meh for a pure as I loss some autonomy to tank or heal to get geared
fleet whale
plus shiv is on a pretty short cd, and it's likely you're gonna run into situations where you have to refresh 1-3 of those buffs in the window
which will feel bad
halcyon saddle
It's not a tuning issue with regards to Covenants but flavor and pure lack of appeal. Comparing all the covenants for the classes it is shocking the lack of creativity for some specs/classes
loud light
only venthyr is really bankrupt in the creativity department for rogue abilities, but everyone is expecting to get changed somehow
it'll still be dreadfully boring if it's just a numbers change though
jolly comet
yea the kyrian cov ability seems overly complicated. im liking the maldraxxus one though.
also wonder what the last two leg powers are gonna be. theres that one that shiv spreads dots and bleeds but the tooltip says "another target". wonder if its going to be restricted to only 1 other target
strange tundra
Any1 know if the vendetta trait stacks?
balmy condor
Only damage
Energy doesn’t stack
Works for most traits that way. Twist the knife stacks the damage, not the duration of envenom.
Damage stacks, the effect does not
strange tundra
Better to choose the vendetta or garrote twice?
strange tundra
“Trait”
normal olive
just smack that helicopter
ripe gulch
yh my rl gave me permission to tunnel
normal olive
I just smaked vex untill it was my time to die
lone junco
@worthy plaza you guys getting some beta boss pulls?
some of the new oranges look preety good.
balmy condor
@strange tundra you can sim that for yourself, generally two SS is better than two NP
worthy plaza
yeah I used them 4 years ago 
normal olive
normal olive
Heal pants were fun tho
lone junco
Bracer was always my fav. cause we always lost 2-3+dps near the end of the fight and the execute lasted longer than it should.
was it 4 years already. jesus.
worthy plaza
now you can play double MA and go for 200% crit
normal olive
Crit em so hard they die twice
normal olive
lone junco
do we expect to wear a second orange eventually? or are they capping it at one
balmy condor
yes, eventually
normal olive
Probably like legion where we get a second one later on
balmy condor
it'll probably follow the legion model of 1 at start, 2 later on, 3rd for last patch
lone junco
that mutilate bleed probably wont amp with bracer will it.
w/e
Ive got a small boner for the hpal shock bubble. but a big one for the double lifebloom /photosynthesis synergy. Should be a good time to be druid.
fleet whale
you know what's going to be so exciting in SL?
normal olive
Being dead?
fleet whale
when we use shiv... and it deals 3 damage!
normal olive
My shiv opener will burst so good with this
lone junco
did they take TB and put it on shiv, but take away the damage?
fleet whale
well, shiv is kind of weird now
fleet whale
i know it's not entirely essential to the ability
but it would be nice if shiv hit for like higher than a mutilate
sort of like what tb does now
strange python
I wish they'd just make finishers refresh SnD like in WoTLK
Don't wanna keep casting it
loud light
what's even the point of it existing if you don't have to hit a button though
like they pruned it because of that
strange python
True, but if they do give it to us then currently I feel like it's too much maintenance between all the other abilities
It'll be super fun to cast 2 envenoms every minute
fleet whale
SnD doesn't really have any spec interaction with asssassin except with the dashing scoundrel legendary
lone junco
wont it get more DP hits
fleet whale
It should
but this might be due to tuning
but it appears that snd drastically increases aa damage
lone junco
we have seen dp have a larger presence on the damage profile
fleet whale
while poison damage doesn't go up as high as you would think
fleet whale
but snd really doesn't add much to assassination, again it just feels like adding back a button for the sake of adding back one
lone junco
ill take your word for it.
fleet whale
i don't think blizz has done this unpruning thing as well as they could have
lone junco
alacrity is going to be nice. esp early when there is no haste again
fleet whale
if alacrity even stays
considering from blizz's word, there is supposed to be a talent that makes shiv better
but is yet to be seen
lone junco
is ambush from blindside even a strong hit?
fleet whale
apparently it's decent right now
and it might be the best choice for early raiding since EP uptime is terrible
lone junco
blindside + bracers might line up for a nice execute.
but its never even made a dent in the past.
but having no crit or haste really slows the spec down.
fleet whale
BFA blindside was really bad
balmy condor
its looking good atm
fleet whale
ambush actually deals damage and generates more cps
lone junco
SS gave us so many cheep cps. Take that opener for granted.
i saw that NS was 12% bonus. what a dumpster
Vanish Env for that
nay sir.
I loved the vanish +50% NS Rupture. Rupture top dmg was a good tier.
i dont actually enjoy the druid discord. So ill stay here, even though I wont be rogueboi.
fleet whale
so apparently envenom doesn't pandemic on beta anymore?
and there is a weird bug where envenom is a buff on you... but also a debuff on the target
glass trench
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tribal marlin
acoustic isle
hey guys
im new in the discord and also new as a rogue, i got my rogue 120 440 io and i was wondering, as a assassination, what build should i follow?
acoustic isle
this is my alt, so probably both but i care more about m+
balmy condor
then I would go with a crit build
but at this point in the expansion
kinda impossible to do anything
balmy dome
Does anyone know the spell id of slice and dice?
grim canopy
who is a rogue that streams SL
normal olive
acoustic isle
@balmy condor yeah i know we are pretty much at the end, but i was just trying to get my hands on another char
balmy condor
expedients come up on the 11th
so you have some time to do that
haste build works fine too
severe won't be up for long, so that's a little doomed
balmy condor
varies depending on builds etc
and haste
you should always play subterfuge in dungeons though
with enough haste you can go deeper/exsang instead of vigor/tb
iron wire is pog, crimson tempest in most non-tyran keys
vast forum
CT in all keys if you are going for haste build
balmy condor
tru
wary ice
Internal bleeding is really useful if ur team is unreliable
Keeps kidney from being such a big damage loss
Also scales with wounds and haste which is nice for that build
strange python
i put infexious' wreakaura for pandemic windows but the seconds timer doesn't flow normally, but it refreshes every couple of seconds. how do i make it run in real time?
balmy condor
not sure what you mean by that
weakauras always run in real time unless there's a timer built into the code
but that seems kinda troll
strange python
what azerit set up for vision
strange python
tryed echo
wasnt that nice
when i put a DoT it pops up normally let's say 23.4 seconds. but instead of going 22 21 it starts off with 23.4 and then it freezes, 3 seconds later it goes 20.4 seconds.. the timer freezes
crit ves?
strange python
ah damn
balmy condor
from like 3 years ago
strange python
i am not a patreon idk where do i find the new one 😣
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
balmy condor
you can use those though
balmy condor
I just linked you 5 xD
most of them do pandemic I believe
lokkek's maybe not
mizerok's for sure
normal olive
Well i can't read so you can't stop me
strange python
whisp what would u use for vision crit vers ?
balmy condor
I personally use crit vers EB
and just mass pull everything
but if you're trying to clear for your first time, you would probably want to go haste
strange python
the prob is i have no eb ss
normal olive
Can you pull more then one area at once?
strange python
and thenn u spam eb?
normal olive
lame
balmy condor
I spam fok yeah
strange python
and on boss ?
strange python
aight
crisp sluice
could anyone take a quick look at my sim and potentialyl tell me why its so low? I have 7 R3 exp, 1 R2 exp and 1 r3 honed mind and idk what to do to get it higher besides get lucky with some daggers and the chestpiece
balmy condor
you don't have mecha rings equipped
paper kelp
sockets
crisp sluice
that makes THAT big a difference? I know i have no sockets and garbage daggers
balmy condor
and you're missing 7 sockets
paper kelp
and also some of your gear doesn't have haste on it
crisp sluice
worth it to take off 475 crit mastery to put on 465 haste verse gear?
crisp sluice
^ lol, I loot mounts all the time but cant get a mythic carapace dagger or mech rings for 2 months
pog
crisp sluice
Lol damn dude thats insane its so much for that. that + sockets + 2 carapace daggers + proper chestpiece and its all good
thanks for your help again whispyr
balmy condor
gibbering as well
paper kelp
i see we finally got legendary powers for SL
normal olive
Imagine reclearing mythic instead of extending every id
balmy condor
gibbering is another ~2k on your current helm
fallow peak
Is there another helm besides gibbering that can substitute?
balmy condor
there's really nothing that can sub mythic gibbering
fallow peak
I won’t be killing mythic raden so I’m outa luck
fallow peak
I have heroic version
balmy condor
yup
balmy condor
can sim yourself
devout fiber
o
devout fiber
Uh
I dont have diff armour sets for diff things yet
Just general use
Pve, dungeon and pvp
balmy condor
probably the left
devout fiber
I'd like to simc myself but whenever I do
I get some corruption error
That I have too much even though what I have currently is fine?
paper kelp
put the corruption limit
balmy condor
that's cause you need to change the settings
normal olive
paper kelp
to higher
devout fiber
lemme check this out again
How can I make it so
it won't pick the other two items when simming
balmy condor
just like that
normal olive
devout fiber
sweet
worthy cave
Hey guys can anyone explain me why opening Garrote Rapture Garrote is better than Garrote Garrote Rapture in the Exsanguinate build ?
balmy condor
you aren't wasting CP
normal olive
Because you cast the 3cp rupture to get the Pandemic onto the 6cp rupture
i was faster
:c
balmy condor
yeah
normal olive
Hey Whispyr 
balmy condor
hi bb
normal olive
I rerolled to dh now
worthy cave
oh, ty guys
normal olive
pressind 2 buttons while being afk is just way more fun /s
north brook
Hey, I just started playing Rogue after quitting the game since Uldir. Was just wondering what are the best corruptions to stack for raiding at the moment?
balmy condor
expedient
crimson palm
Hey guys can anyone explain me why opening Garrote Rapture Garrote is better than Garrote Garrote Rapture in the Exsanguinate build ?
@worthy cave garrote gets extra empowered tick(s) in the rupture gcd
crimson palm
Yes it is
north brook
I saw that expedient was nerfed from 12% to 6% at some point, but it's still the best one to use?
balmy condor
expedient is still 12%
north brook
is it?
balmy condor
yes
north brook
the tooltip says 6 for me in game :S
silent crescent
Lmfao
silent crescent
You bought the wrong one
harsh sphinx
silent crescent
Wait until it comes back
balmy condor
they're on rotation
balmy condor
north brook
I assume the 12% one is like 15k then? rather than 3k or whatever the rank 1 is
balmy condor
5k
balmy condor
you can also see that on that website
normal olive
there is also a addon for the rotation ingame
strange python
is this a good week to push? or am i better off leveling new characters for SL
normal olive
I heard from people that this week is just doing one 15 and leaving for something else
balmy condor
this is the worst week