assassination

[balmy condor]

But I guess it’s cool

[storm forum]

invigorating shadowlust looks like it will be better for sub and outlaw as well because they have more CDs to get affected by it

[balmy condor]

Well sin generally doesn’t like de-syncing anyway

So we’ll see how much that vanish/reduction lego synergy works out

[rancid spade]

delete blindside already

[balmy condor]

Blindside is doing good on beta

[storm forum]

i really hope blindside doesn't sim the best, cause i hate RNG procs in my rotations

if i wanted to play whackamole i would play paladin

[rocky ruin]

but its a extra button to press

[balmy condor]

It’s like old dispatch

I don’t think the design is bad

Sin baseline is just maintain maintain maintain

Having blindside in there is a nice change of pace

[fleet whale]

it will also help with the painfully low apm we'll have at the start

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[storm forum]

am i the only one who misses the time back in legion when we wanted as low haste as possible? and pooled for 3 seconds before every envenom?

[silent crescent]

I miss typing paragraphs about why haste was dogshit to people who didnt ask

[shadow wedge]

[balmy condor]

[fleet whale]

Well, legion assassin was smooth but we had high crit value to make up for it

plus an artifact trait that made us crit mutilate more

I don't think assassin should be global capped like it is now honestly, but there is a middle ground

and having a secondary that is completely dead isn't good

[strange python]

hey now

[storm forum]

haste for the haste gods

[balmy condor]

Exsang or riot

[storm forum]

there is something to be said about how fresh it felt when i first hit 56% haste and started using exang

[strange python]

i still like tb more

[storm forum]

but at this point im sort of mad about it and im farming echoes to switch to the crit tb build

[balmy condor]

Wait you want to switch back?

[strange python]

and optimally its not that much of a dps loss

a couple of thousands but whos really counting

[balmy condor]

Why would you want to switch back

You’ll be slow in prepatch soon enough

Don’t worry

[strange python]

tb/dd feels a lot more free and not as rigid with really high haste

[storm forum]

its more like i want the option to switch back for M+ and raid nights where I have a headache and cant really keep up with pressing a button every gcd

[strange python]

very reactive compared to planning ahead

[balmy condor]

I guess

I’m enjoying exsang while I can

[storm forum]

i cant wait to be slow

as my rogue

and only my rogue

im going to be so sad on my priest

[pure mauve]

why this is good for progress? NEW Zoldyck Insignia Your Poisons and Bleeds deal 30% increased damage to targets below 30% health.

[balmy condor]

Execute damage is always nice

[void sinew]

the asass legs seem kinda nuts no?

[balmy condor]

Which

[void sinew]

i havent played beta but leg boots in current would be crazy

in current would have like 50 sec ven

[hallow coyote]

Legs is Zoldyk

[balmy condor]

Aha

[void sinew]

whoops chest/feety

[balmy condor]

And yeah, current haste would make it nuts

But our haste is getting cut in more than half

[storm forum]

i think we should call them by their names, like the vendetta CDR is Dustwalker's

[balmy condor]

There will be shorthand’s for everything

It’ll be fine

[storm forum]

dustwalkers might be awkward early, cause we will still probably want to sync vendetta and vanish

when we get enough haste or some kind of combination with another lego or tier set to get say, a 1 minute vendetta, we vanish syncs with every other vendetta, it might become quite strong

[void sinew]

master of assassin will be mandatory again yeah?

mantle*

[balmy condor]

Not necessarily

That depends highly on tuning of other legendaries

[storm forum]

its also not a mantle anymore huh

[crimson palm]

@oblique lark why did you do that to poor carapace 😦

[keen tree]

is crit haste ok to stack for m+ ? im using 3 x ss 1 x eb

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s fine

[keen tree]

for m+

ok cool thx

i was so lucky in raid today. got

shard, vita and a ring in hc

🙂

[glad smelt]

I watched dratnos’ older series on sin rotation and now my head hurts

I feel like dot classes have the highest skill ceiling

Or maybe rogue/feral

[balmy condor]

sub is 100% more difficult than sin

[glad smelt]

What makes sub harder?

[balmy condor]

there's more planning and cooldown timing

[glad smelt]

This sin rogue did say sin is like an easy spec

[balmy condor]

and if you mess up, it punishes you

sin is 90% dot maintenance

[nimble trench]

God, I hate Rexxar.

[glad smelt]

I really want to get better at sin since I find the gameplay satisfying but I know I’m not playing it right

Trying to practice in my visions lmao

[balmy condor]

@nimble trench lust him, pre-pot, make sure you have all the buffs in the vision, and nuke nuke nuke

cloak when the boars come out

if you're mega undergeared, you can go slow and nuke the boars one at a time

[glad smelt]

One thing I find difficult is AOE. On my paladin it’s just spam divine storm, hunter multi shot, but rogue I’m having trouble with

[balmy condor]

yeah we have bleed rules and stuff for how much you hit

that can get a little confusing if you're first learning

[glad smelt]

I think what I do is pick one target to use my envenom on, put garrote and rupture on everything too

[nimble trench]

Nah, I'm not mega undergeared, or at least I don't think I am. I did 5 mask Stormwind fairly easily, and I can do the rest of Org no problem, but god those boars throwing me around like a whore just screws me up every time.

[balmy condor]

yeah you just nuke rexxar and cloak when the boars show up

lust if you have to

[glad smelt]

Make sure you have gift

[balmy condor]

the boars should be a non-issue

gift for sure yeah

[glad smelt]

For rexxar imo

[nimble trench]

Does cloak stop me from being tossed or just stop their sanity drain from hitting me/

[balmy condor]

stop their sanity

but the knock around shouldn't be the issue

[indigo mulch]

I'm kinda happy assassin's mantle is back.

[glad smelt]

One time I bursted him too quick on my pally and 4 boars spawned lmao

[nimble trench]

Honestly, I don't think I've died from sanity drain yet. Its always the boars knocking me around and throwing me into traps or something that stuns me and I die from actual loss of HP.

[crimson palm]

dont face towards the traps?

they've fixed positions

[thin gate]

Guys for Bossfights like Cara and Hivemind (assassin spec) 3 x SS is best ? or should i go for FOK Build

[normal olive]

Got Vex down

[thin gate]

and if so whats better Crit Damage or Crit from all sources or is masterful a thing

[crimson palm]

@normal olive post logs so you can be judged

[normal olive]

Time to look at my fucked up openers

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zgp7RMjHfFqw1BGT

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zgp7RMjHfFqw1BGT#fight=last&type=deaths&source=8

[normal olive]

Don't look at wipe 15

[vast forum]

@thin gate you play for boss dps on those bosses as assa rogue and just keep expedient

[normal olive]

I was on the soak group for p3

[crimson palm]

@vast forum no

3xEB 2x Slappers IS THE ONLY WAY

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

navi why

[normal olive]

after like 20 pulls i realized that i was using the wrong pots

i had an even worse one

can't find it tho

[royal lantern]

pots are not a huge difference

like

im still using fury cus i have a bunch left

if i use pots at all

[normal olive]

Well if you use the st crit one

and instantly hit a second target

that's 300 iq

[balmy condor]

pots are basically no difference

its a couple hundred at best

[normal olive]

ah yeah that was the worst opener

but i did a big nono

[crimson palm]

There's a huge difference

Fury is click & forget

Focused resolve, you have to play it right

[normal olive]

vanish into vendetta

feels good man

[balmy condor]

how does one play focused resolve wrong

[normal olive]

sry

[lean marten]

swapping targets

[normal olive]

xD

CT cancles it

[crimson palm]

You don't play the pot wrong, you play your class wrong

Mistakes/downtime will hurt you a lot

@lean marten you know that focused resolve swaps targets when you change focus right?

[normal olive]

Well i'm just happy that i got 7/12 now

Wait it does?

nvm then i thought it get's cancled

[lean marten]

Hemo it resets the stacks

the crit ramps to 20%

and resets back to 1% when u swap targets

[crimson palm]

obv.

but the way you open is g1 g2 g1 on the boss

and on most of them

so it makes no diff

[normal olive]

How does it work with ct or fok?

does it take your target?

[crimson palm]

That's a good question

[normal olive]

That's what i was asking myself after like 20 pulls

Started using Fury pots afterwards

Did more dmg then a filthy Outlaw rogue

[keen tree]

vita and humming good trinkets for m+?

i wish i could sim for m+

[woeful orbit]

You can. Change from patchwork to dungeon slice (this makes sense for most dungeons except maybe KR and WS)

[balmy condor]

dungeon slice is kinda meh

[indigo elk]

how much dps is NE racial worth?

[balmy condor]

racials are very similar

in terms of dps

[echo cargo]

oh hey beta, pog

[strange python]

NE sims quite high though

iirc it was about 1.2k dps increase for me

[balmy condor]

yeah its like a solid 1k dps maybe compared to no racial

what do you play atm?

[strange python]

belf

so very useless

racial 🙂

[balmy condor]

yeah with all our haste

yuck

should gain some value in sl

[strange python]

well imma be feasting in prepatch 8)

[normal olive]

Well belf get's 1% crit

[balmy condor]

lots of classes get 1% something

[normal olive]

1 step closer to 34% crit

[balmy condor]

racials

[strange python]

truuuue navi

[normal olive]

[indigo elk]

using crappy void elf

thinking of changing

[vital haven]

blood elf racial is doo doo now

literally can almost never use it anywhere

[normal olive]

Just wait when we all have 5% haste

[hollow escarp]

is there any use of shadowmeld for damage, outside of the extra empowered garrote?

[vital haven]

nope

you can copy your retail to beta now

went from 84% haste to 43% at level 50

[normal olive]

Kinda sad Rogues are non existent

[swift timber]

would you guys drop 1.1% dps swapping from 475 gale to 475 plumage just for the sake of not having to stand in it?
https://i.imgur.com/zB3iroA.png

[strange python]

depends how much you lose if you use it for exsang but not stand it in the entire duration

[swift timber]

haven't really been able to figure out an answer on that one tbh

don't think it's possible to sim less than full duration?

[balmy condor]

I think worth

[strange python]

i remember someone attempting to sim it

idk who or what the results were

[rigid eagle]

depends on the fight no

[swift timber]

yeah I guess I might as well use gale if I can get full duration

[rigid eagle]

if you barely even have time to GCB + exsang with every vanish

prolly stick to plumage

[deep solstice]

Trying to test these leggos out but the game keeps crashing lol

Also, I did get to test the master assassin one, it starts when stealth breaks...IE you do not benefit from stacking it with subterfuge....IE only 5 seconds of 100% crit .

[normal olive]

Wait Rogues have legendarys now?

[deep solstice]

yes, some

[swift timber]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=317150/new-shadowlands-legendary-powers-for-rogues-master-assassin-returns

[deep solstice]

It's a pretty obvious "please stop crying rogues" step tho. Most of the leggos dont even have names in game, several dont have effects.

[swift timber]

they seem kinda boring to me tbh

[deep solstice]

There are a few that seem cool

[normal olive]

well atleast something

[deep solstice]

idk about good, necessarily, but interesting

[swift timber]

the shiv spread would be poggers if it spread to all enemies

[deep solstice]

ooooo, character import is open again too

[normal olive]

The shiv one could be fun

Pump one target with all your bleeds and shiv

[deep solstice]

ya that one will be nice for multidotting....but I dont see it being better than master assassin if we can only have one

[normal olive]

Wait my scuffed Shiv opener is going to be real

[swift timber]

don't we get to wear 2 legendaries

[normal olive]

1

[swift timber]

ah

[normal olive]

but they will probably increase it later on just like legion

[balmy condor]

two later in the expac

yeah

[normal olive]

Whispyr i did something

[deep solstice]

bloodfang is ok....60% uptime, about 2% of my damage single target

prob good on aoe

havent tested that yet

[low girder]

that shiv one is gonna be one of those that feels really nice, but is actually not at all worth it, isn't it

[normal olive]

Wait

[balmy condor]

yeah probably

tbh

[normal olive]

can you exang and then shiv?

For that juicy burst on everything

[balmy condor]

I mean probably

but you would overwrite the exsang

so

maybe don't do that

[low girder]

low haste using exsang 🤢

[balmy condor]

that too

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

you need to think more in the box navi

[normal olive]

I'ma have a lot of fun with the Shiv one

[balmy condor]

chill home boi

[low girder]

it's gonna be fun

[normal olive]

My mfd shiv opener might be onto something in SL

[low girder]

until it gets implemented in the apl

and you see the numbers

lol

curious what we could get in place of master assassin though

hopefully not shadow focus again

D:

[balmy condor]

master assassin is staying

I'm calling it right now

[low girder]

lol

the mark of how we were forgotten in beta for too long

[normal olive]

yep

[low girder]

yeah they're not fun

but at least we know they're good right

because we've literally had them before

[normal olive]

I wanna play with the Shiv one so bad

so much meme shit i could pull

[balmy condor]

pls no

you've emotionally scarred me enough

[normal olive]

SL is a whole new story

[low girder]

i do love out of all the tier sets they could've picked

they pick NH

i wanted antorus 😦

[balmy condor]

close enough

lul

[low girder]

lol

[balmy condor]

hellfire class trinkets when

[low girder]

poison bomb sucks now though, couldn't just spam fok -> env to win in keys

sadly

if they gave us t21

[balmy condor]

I mean, maybe they buff pob back to legion

its still possible

[low girder]

i don't want that

pls

[balmy condor]

we just got legendaries

[low girder]

wait what if there's a leggo that just buffs it

to legion levels

mega meme

[balmy condor]

I just want them to finish their design

so we can have stuff to test

[low girder]

they need to give me beta first D:

[balmy condor]

same

[shadow wedge]

[opaque hemlock]

Any1 here can help me with my dmg?

[balmy condor]

sure

[normal olive]

Just do more

[opaque hemlock]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RDvNKm6CzFdyxQZV/#fight=17&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%24182924973.0.0.Rogue%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%240&source=21

Feels like i cant

[balmy condor]

I'll take a look in a second

[opaque hemlock]

Thanks mate

[strange python]

look at openers again

and learn it

[normal olive]

I'ma look at it

[strange python]

this is a navi opener

[normal olive]

[strange python]

xd

[normal olive]

Oh god

[strange python]

ye

@opaque hemlock look up openers again

[normal olive]

Did you forget to stealth on Wrathion?

[strange python]

I see poisoned knives in rotation

[opaque hemlock]

Dont look the wrathion one 😛

So many mistakes

[strange python]

same with maut

[normal olive]

I have some competition i see

Skitra too

[strange python]

using drest trinket on wrath o.O

[normal olive]

Okay you really need to work on your opener

[balmy condor]

using drest trinket in pve

[normal olive]

that's the main part i can see

[strange python]

ye

on skitra u afked at start?

Im so confused

[umbral rapids]

@balmy condor it was broken on outlaw for like a week lol

Then they hotfixed it

[normal olive]

This vendetta first cast on fight is a great idea for my opener

[opaque hemlock]

I waited for them to move boss

lol

[strange python]

?

move with them?

wut

[normal olive]

Wait are you not playing with subterfuge?

[opaque hemlock]

I tried the other one

[normal olive]

Navi had a stroke again

[balmy condor]

he has subt

[opaque hemlock]

Master assa

[balmy condor]

but the opener is a mess

[strange python]

Look up openers again

[umbral rapids]

To be fair vigor vs deeper strat is sim thing.

[strange python]

idk what else t osay

kinda painful to look at

[umbral rapids]

Best advice, take the guide

[surreal ledge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[umbral rapids]

Slam a dummy

[normal olive]

i messed up the the rows

mb

[umbral rapids]

Until you have the opener down

I did that for hours

I’m still shit

[normal olive]

I know i have some bad ones here and there

[umbral rapids]

But less shit

kek

[opaque hemlock]

Where do i find openers?

[balmy condor]

in the guides

[umbral rapids]

Pins

[balmy condor]

pins, link up top

wowhead,icyveins

[royal lantern]

@normal olive i did a navi opener today, just saying

[umbral rapids]

Openers and vanish rotation is like, most your damage

It PUMPS

[balmy condor]

the pins are the most recent

[royal lantern]

garrote->fatfinger envenom->garrote->panic exsang

[normal olive]

nice

xD

[umbral rapids]

I mean I still choke my vanish rotation

Like

I see it coming off CD

And I start freaking out 😂

[normal olive]

I love how people call messed up openers Navi openers

[umbral rapids]

You spoiled us

[normal olive]

I'm going down in History for this

[balmy condor]

not something you want to be known for tbh

[normal olive]

I can laugh about myself, so i find it funny

[balmy condor]

that's a good attitude to have

[opaque hemlock]

So my opener needs to look like this? Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice

[deep solstice]

The shiv leggo is currently broken on beta lol

doesnt work

[normal olive]

Who would have thought

[balmy condor]

@opaque hemlock yeah

[ebon ocean]

shadowlands is feature complete btw

[balmy condor]

that's the opener for TB with SS traits

[opaque hemlock]

And then i just do that every vanish?

[balmy condor]

you double garrote every vanish

yes

[crimson palm]

The shiv leggo is currently broken on beta lol
@deep solstice DNT

[opaque hemlock]

Why the double just for combo or?

[balmy condor]

pandemic timer

[ebon ocean]

pandemic

[balmy condor]

you're getting extra time on it

[ebon ocean]

it extends the duration

[opaque hemlock]

arh

lol

Thanks guys

[balmy condor]

np

[ebon ocean]

that's why u double in the opener too

you should be refreshing rupture in a similar manner

not right before it runs out

[normal olive]

So on ST, if i Mark for Death into Kidney, should i Shiv before or after Vanish?

[balmy condor]

stop

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

after def

[normal olive]

But normaly i drest after vanish

[strange python]

I guess after drest then

[median badge]

how many combo points do you use for rupture when applying to large group?

[ember stirrup]

Hi, what is the refresh timing for Crimson Tempest ?

[balmy condor]

always finish at 4 with vigor, 5 with deeper strats ruggz

[median badge]

ok sweet. thank you

[balmy condor]

the refresh time for CT is the same as it would be for any other bleed, 30% of the new timer

with CT it depends on combo points

[ember stirrup]

Ok thanks

[normal olive]

6cp CT is 4.2 seconds on Pandemic

[balmy condor]

and the -0.6 for every combo point under that

[ember stirrup]

It's possible to tell at weakauera condition percent ?

[balmy condor]

so 3.6 for 5, 3 for 4

you can custom code it, yeah

[ember stirrup]

Ok

[balmy condor]

you could also do it throw like 6 different conditions I guess

with all true, duration, combo points

and a trigger for combo points

that's probably easier

[ember stirrup]

Yeah maybe

[balmy condor]

trigger to get information from trigger1 tracking CT

[ember stirrup]

Thank you a lot !

[balmy condor]

np

[opaque hemlock]

Do you guys have a log i can see?

[balmy condor]

a log for what

[strange python]

I will yoink hemos

[loud light]

warcraftlogs.com

[balmy condor]

there's thousands of logs

yeah

you can just look up logs on there

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mtBQPJy6LZa7RzGM#fight=6&type=damage-done&source=7

@opaque hemlock

[opaque hemlock]

Thanks

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

XD

[normal olive]

94

[balmy condor]

ilvl parses are meaningless

[normal olive]

Gonna do that boss with 0 gear and parse 100

400 iq

[balmy condor]

might as well not exist

[strange python]

ilvl logs makes my depleted outlaw look good!

[balmy condor]

if you look at ilvl parse for anything, you're clownin

and thats a fact

[strange python]

you don't look exclusively on ilvl parses?

[normal olive]

Why you so mean to me

[umbral rapids]

One word

Opener

[strange python]

navi openers are the new meta

people just doesnt realize it yet

[normal olive]

I told you people do not understand my genius

and now with the Shiv legendary, my Shiv opener might be legit

[vast forum]

ilvl parses are the most cheesable thing

unequip your bracers and you lose like 30 ilvl and 5% dps

maybe even less than 5%

[normal olive]

Tomorrow you guys will get a 0 ilvl parse

just wait

My body is ready

[grave trail]

If i wanna switch one exp, Masteryproc III or Racing Pulse III

[strange python]

sim it

[balmy condor]

hm3 usually for most people

[grave trail]

sIM iT

i know i can i wanna know what people prefer

[balmy condor]

people prefer the one that sims higher

[storm forum]

i mean thats just personal preference then

[strange python]

lol

[storm forum]

if you prefer something just do that one

[balmy condor]

its literally just a numbers game

[strange python]

my opinion is you should go with avoidant

as much as possible

[balmy condor]

you won't notice any gameplay difference between the 2

so literally just sim it

[strange python]

ye i prefer surging vitality actually

u should stack that

[grave trail]

might as well not ask about corruptions right

[strange python]

you got an answer you didnt like

[balmy condor]

the BiS corruptions are in the pins

with enough resistance

[storm forum]

corruptions are whack because theyre all just stats besides IT, so the best answer is to just sim it

[balmy condor]

you go 7x exped3, 1x exped2

and then either HM3 or RP3

whichever sims higher for your character

[strange python]

just stack IT and run vop 8)

[balmy condor]

gameplay wise, you don't notice ANY difference between HM3 and RP3

since you're already GCD capped at that point

telling you to sim yourself is the only answer

we don't know which will be better for your character

[grave trail]

@balmy condor thanks whispyr

[balmy condor]

anytime

[strange python]

wdym gcd capped

[grave trail]

and yeah no thats not the point lazy answers like "sim it" i know i can sim lmao

captain obvious

might as well not discuss anythign right

[strange python]

It's the correct answer though? xd

[balmy condor]

well, there's nothing to discuss

[harsh sphinx]

[balmy condor]

the discussion is "maybe HM3, maybe RP3, depends on your character"

and that's really it

and the way you find that out, is by simming

[storm forum]

if you want discussions over corruptions, play a class that likes IT

[grave trail]

like plumage or gale even tho gale sims higher people use plumage

or guardian blood

[balmy condor]

that's not a thing here

[harsh sphinx]

most people don't have a 475 gale

[storm forum]

cause then you have actual play feel impacts from the IT vs stat corruptions

[balmy condor]

guardian/blood and plumage/gale are gameplay differences

Hm3 vs Rp3 when you're already casting every single gcd

is not a gameplay difference

[storm forum]

i like plumage cause i like being able to macro it to vendetta and not worry about getting a second cast of galecaller's off

[wet ruin]

guardian/blood is not the same as plumage/gale

blood is just better on shorter fights

[grave trail]

what about on temporary triple targets like raden will HM3 or RP 3 pull ahead

[storm forum]

probably HM

[balmy condor]

yeah I tend to agree with HM3 on that

[storm forum]

RP probably loses value on multidot scenarios

[balmy condor]

well, I think that's a weird way to think about it

but I think HM3 would give you more damage

[storm forum]

some of the value of haste is in the energy regen, and if you have more targets with more bleeds, then you're probably spending most of that phase energy capped

[balmy condor]

you're already energy capped though

[grave trail]

i thought most of value as well was white attacks no?

[balmy condor]

or at least VERY close to energy capped

white attacks are meaningless

[grave trail]

other than faster ticks

[balmy condor]

the reason you would take it is faster ticks

that's a majority of your damage

the auto hits are kinda w/e

[grave trail]

k

[storm forum]

when you say white attacks, you mean auto attacks right

[balmy condor]

yeah

they're still useful

[storm forum]

yeah sin doesnt really benefit from autos

[balmy condor]

but its not really something to think about imo

[storm forum]

at least not compaired to other classes/specs

[strange python]

@normal olive https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2MzyXTwrH1QvfKgnoesMvz I think you should try this build next opener session

[harsh sphinx]

[strange python]

whispyr, what can I do to improve it?

[balmy condor]

you can't make me sim that

[strange python]

isnt there a pvp trinket that gives hp

[astral tiger]

So you know how you can do like "/cast [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade]" and whatnot with exsang? Any idea if there's a way to do that on multiple talent rows so I don't have to swap out Marked for Death and Crimson Tempest everytime I pvp/raid?

[strange python]

or use a tank trinket or something

[storm forum]

is it okay that im disgusted by this?

[strange python]

I tried my best, why u bully

[balmy condor]

you should be disgusted

its end of expansion memes

[strange python]

@astral tiger the 6/2 thing refers to the 6th row, 2nd talent

so you can just pack 2 of those into 1 from different rows

[astral tiger]

correct

I tried that and it didn't work :/

[strange python]

wait ima log on

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rfCFTwhjbWNfLtHQmTbxD4 I made it better @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

why

are you trying to see how low you can sim

[strange python]

Im trying out my new glimpse build

[balmy condor]

aha

very exciting

[strange python]

need to reduce that mutilate cd

[balmy condor]

only MFD cooldown

for the combo points

[strange python]

true

forgot

[storm forum]

ah yes, good old 91 ilvl daggers

[strange python]

that makes glimpse value better since enemies survive longer

[storm forum]

are you okay yoda?

[strange python]

giga brain

[storm forum]

who hurt you?

[strange python]

my 91 ilvl daggers

@astral tiger #showtooltip /use [talent:2/3]Chimaera Shot;[talent:4/3,@player]Tar Trap;[talent:4/2,@player]Tar Trap

this works

so rogue stuff should work too

[dire gate]

Yay we finally have some legendaries datamined on Beta o/

[astral tiger]

Hmm, well I'll give it a show in a sec

Maybe I messed something up

[strange python]

if 2/3 is selected, it puts chiemaera shot in

[storm forum]

what happens if both conditions are fulfilled? the first one in the sequence right?

[strange python]

you can also put a ; and a skill name at the end to use as fallback

i think it uses the last condition

not sure

[storm forum]

hmmm

[strange python]

#showtooltip
/use [talent:6/2]Toxic Blade;[talent:6/3]Exsanguinate

[astral tiger]

It works 😄 Ty

[ember stirrup]

https://wago.io/ZsifnL4qq This wago for rupture pandemic blow my mind. When you have 3 or 6 CP prepared for the refresh, the pandemic window change.

"Since rupture has a different duration depending on how many combo points you use it with, you have a different pandemic window depending on how many combo points you currently have. "

This is true ?

[balmy condor]

ye

its based on duration of the new dot

[ember stirrup]

Oh not the previous one

[balmy condor]

so since the duration changes based on CP

yeah no if it were based on previous

you could chain pandemics together

that would be ridiculous

also would be difficult to think about

[strange python]

kinda useless if you dont reapply it below 5/6 combo points anyway

[ember stirrup]

So, to be clear, the pandemic window of 7.2 or 8.4 for rupture, is bind with your current CP for the refersh

and not the current rupture

[balmy condor]

yes

[ember stirrup]

Damn, that blow my mind

[balmy condor]

its always a max of 30% of the new aura being applied

[ember stirrup]

Okay

[full jungle]

hey, any specific % haste before i swap to formless as minor or never better?

[balmy condor]

when it sims higher

usually need like 60%ish

to drop lucid

[full jungle]

kk ty

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

this is pretty solid

you get the addon simulationcraft, type /simc in game

copy paste that into raidbots

and then off you go

in really simple terms

yes

link it

then dm me I guess

cause not this channel lul

[devout fiber]

What do

should I cleanse it?

[robust light]

sim yourself

[devout fiber]

also have this

[balmy condor]

you should try and stay under 40 for now

[robust light]

sim urself with the purify corruption option ticked

and set it to 39

[rich patrol]

Trying out Exsanquinate with 3xSS and Subterfuge. Trying to figure out the best spot to use it in the opener as well as general rotation.

[balmy condor]

to use what

exsang?

opener is in the pins, and you would use it on cooldown twice

then there's a big lineup at 2:20 with all your cds again

[robust light]

g-rup-g-ven-mut-rup-exsang opener

[rich patrol]

Perfect, thanks

[robust light]

also depends if ur ising crimson tempest

[rich patrol]

not atm

[robust light]

aight

theres a full guide for exasang build on ravenholdt btw

[balmy condor]

the one in pins is more recent and fleshed out

[robust light]

ah fair

havent looked at the ravenholdt one myself just saw it was there

[rich patrol]

Can parse in the mid 80's to low 90's with Toxic blade, might check out that guide because this isnt flowing as well for me, need practice

[robust light]

check the pins here

[devout fiber]

@robust light this might sound noob

but how does one sim himself

i don't get what you mean by that

[balmy condor]

I linked a guide earlier

from wowhead

[robust light]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

go play on there

learn stuff

😄

also look at the guide whispyr linked

[rare wing]

im new to assassin , the pin by 'smoker' is that still valid

[balmy condor]

its the most up to date guide

[rare wing]

coo

[strange python]

Hmm

So

This is odd

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q32cR2z21Ah1zJkwZ7Ee54

Is this really an upgrade if I drop a SS?

[balmy condor]

150 dps

[strange python]

HEY

It wouldn't say upgrade if it wasn't true

lol

So just stick with NP SS OP?

Or DD SS OP

[balmy condor]

I personally would prefer DD SS

but you can get that 100 dps I guess

[strange python]

hmm

or should i just stick with 475 cara chest

Who would have thought one piece can be so divisive

[balmy condor]

its literally 172 dps my guy

just do what you want

[strange python]

HMM

I'm torn

[balmy condor]

I would be torn too if I was overthinking 0.2% dps gains

should start pre-casting CLF too

[strange python]

Every little bit helps when you suck as much as i do

[balmy condor]

uh huh

[strange python]

[devout fiber]

These worth?

[balmy condor]

not the 175 ones

but they give some of the best azerite from those

[devout fiber]

woops

I bought one

I won't buy another

Tbf thou my other azerite only had 2 traits on them

Is there a point in running more than one SS?

[fallow otter]

4750 or specific for 200k is the move

[balmy condor]

yes

more SS means more garrote damage

[fallow otter]

Morning whisp

[balmy condor]

you mean afternoon

EU timezones are fake

[fallow otter]

What about Australia

[balmy condor]

sure I'll accept that

[devout fiber]

I don't have a single scent of blood

still go for SS or nah?

[balmy condor]

take the SS

scent is pretty awful

[fallow otter]

Scent of blood.... So bad

[devout fiber]

for pvp

[balmy condor]

yeah for pvp

this ain't pvp channel

XD

[devout fiber]

o

[fallow otter]

Ohhh you're a pvper?

[vital haven]

its not even that good for pvp

[devout fiber]

Not really

But i would like to get into it

I'm a terrible rogue

[vital haven]

https://thelootdistrict.com/pvphub/azerite/rogue/assassination/

[fallow otter]

I wouldn't run scent for pvp anyway

[storm forum]

SS is especially good for PvP cause it forces you to build the good habit of trying to get restealths to get maximum value from it

[devout fiber]

Perfect

[storm forum]

unfortunately, until you build that skill, it can be subpar

[devout fiber]

Already had one ss

that's why i was asking

if it would be worth it to go for 1 ss and one scent

or two ss

[vital haven]

should prob ask this in #pvp

[devout fiber]

this would be extremely good for dungeons no?

[balmy condor]

yeah its pretty good once you get crit

[devout fiber]

Rather Echoing blades or Scent?

[balmy condor]

eb

scent is probably good if you're undergeared though

[devout fiber]

True but I do Fan a lot

especially in mythics

[cinder ferry]

Is there a max haste you should get to?

specifically to run exsang?

[balmy condor]

exsang usually fine around 30%

but people max out at around 80%

CT at 60ish

none of those are breakpoints though, it varies, sometimes greatly, from char to char

[low girder]

yeah no way i can get a third severe this week, rip

[balmy condor]

unluck

[low girder]

48% crit doesn't seem too bad for an EB setup though

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean its a little low

but not bad

[low girder]

no crit gloves rip

would help

also i have like 4 sockets in this set

i should mention that

so that's probably like 5% right there

[balmy condor]

yeah I'm at 3 sockets

but I'm running 3x severe

[low girder]

it all went into my raid gear lol

[balmy condor]

same

[low girder]

i bought 4 strikethrough on friday so was kinda dry on echoes this week

but this'll do for now

[minor thicket]

so we jsut downed Myhtic Carapace. Ended up getting 2 x shards

should I just cleanse and put Exp 3 back on it

[balmy condor]

yea

[minor thicket]

i figured

TA not worth keeping at all

im Exsan build

[balmy condor]

I mean its okay

its not great though

[chilly marsh]

god... you got 2 and i still dont have one... must have 6+ kills already

[low girder]

i've gotten 3, but still no ra-den fist after this week, 12 kills

the game knows

[minor thicket]

i got 2 on our first kill lol

i wanted the chest and dagger

looted and bonus roll haha

[plain thistle]

after 17 kills finally my second one

[tribal marlin]

got my first like after 7 or 8 kill

then I got like 4 in a raw

[plain thistle]

yeah, I got my first after 10 kills

[tribal marlin]

now I play Cara as Outlaw loot spec

to get more chance on 485 leather gear for boostee

[minor thicket]

now i need another Exp 3 so I can cleanse the other dagger

[fallow otter]

19 carapace kills for me coz we locked straight away for nzoth kill, I looted first one last night

But I got passed them previously

[strange python]

Exang build...can you put 1 echoing blades for dungeon instead of 1 hod, just playing around with the build

[balmy condor]

You could but it’s not gonna be good

The HoD is much better, especially this week

[strange python]

Oh ok , I just got lucky in Azerite vendor got ss and eb

[fallow otter]

I haven't bothered with running an EB and going sev/str yet

Haste build is fine

[strange python]

Yeah I’m getting good dps with haste build on dungeon and I’m not height end player. Just doing +15 -18 keys

[balmy condor]

Yeah haste is fine for that

[tribal marlin]

you can maybe swap you gem at least

they cost nothing anyway theese days

[balmy condor]

Wouldn’t be worth

The haste gems probably worth a good bit more with the expeds

[fallow otter]

I can just wear my outlaw set swap Azerite and slappers for exp carapace daggers and see how it goes but usually I'm sin to abuse zap bot so I want haste anyway

The range and gouge just feel too good in higher keys

[tribal marlin]

Haste is not good in M+, 50 crit is probably 2 or 3 times better than 50 haste so even with rank30 expediant

might still wants some crits

but tbh if you are fully geared expediant, it might be better to run outlaw 😄

[balmy condor]

Haste is fine

I’ll be the first person to tout the gospel of EB crit

[fallow otter]

15 to 18 is whatever can literally do whatever spec you want

[balmy condor]

I get dunked for it all the time

But haste is good in m+

At least on an exped build

[tribal marlin]

there are some key where you can definitely play with haste

[balmy condor]

Haste the stat, not auto-good

[tribal marlin]

but it's overall really bad in aoe situation

[balmy condor]

CT and garrote pumps pretty hard

You can cleave mega hard

The aoe is worse, but it’s not really really bad

It’s also not really the point of taking exsang into keys

[tribal marlin]

your dots are scaling better off mastery and crit than haste

[balmy condor]

If you’re taking exsang into keys, you’re turning a 5 pack of mobs into a 4 pack of mobs

And you’re really good at that

[fallow otter]

Whisp, what do you run for crit EB? 1xEB? Any str?

[balmy condor]

I run both haste and crit

Depending on key

[fallow otter]

No str?

[balmy condor]

I run 3xSS 3xEB 3x severe3 4x strike3 1x strike2

As my main build

56% crit, 10% vers, 8% haste and I forget the mastery

But I’ll run my raid full haste build in like KR/WS/JY and stuff

[rigid eagle]

hey @balmy condor, real quick question, why do we use bote after exsang? i thought exsang snapshots all ur dots right

[balmy condor]

Snapshots haste

Not damage

Tick rate is snapshotted

So the crit damage from bote is still applied

[tribal marlin]

I understand your point dude but, haste is overall a stat on which AoE assasination build scale bad. Litterally, even with a shit load of expediant crit will probably be 50% better. Tho if I had the option to play both Crit and Haste build, i'll probably run Haste in some high tyrannical keys

[rigid eagle]

ah i see

thx

[strange python]

M Ra’den progression, my nightmare mechanic lines up with the first set of adds every time. How do I get ignorant raid leaders off my nuts about low damage on crackling add when I’m standing in Beijing for 70% of its health and I’m running Exsang build?

[balmy condor]

Haste scales pretty good though for CT and garrote-cleaves

Like I get that “oh no the overcap of energy, how awful”

But the damage from haste is pretty poppin

[tribal marlin]

anyway if it's 15-18s key he can pretty much play however he want tbh

[balmy condor]

True :P

[fallow otter]

@balmy condor have you done a ST sim with your full m+ gear

[balmy condor]

Nah

Well

I have

[fallow otter]

You mind doing a 3min one?

[balmy condor]

But not in a while

Yeah sure I’ll dm you

[fallow otter]

Ty

[urban walrus]

Is CT worth in ST?

[balmy condor]

With enough haste yes

[urban walrus]

How much is enough :x

[balmy condor]

60%ish

Depends on character

You should keep simming

Just keep In mind if you have a TTK trait, it won’t use it, so PB will always be better

[urban walrus]

ok thx

[sour wraith]

[steel ridge]

ok this guy just won ravenholdt

[harsh sphinx]

need 69% haste and it would be perfect

[rigid eagle]

yo @balmy condor

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cYEWUijcaSc9hrWdZF5hN2

IM FREE

NO MORE WORLDVEIN

[balmy condor]

You mean -100 dps

Unacceptable

[rigid eagle]

ahhh

rip

but dood, why did gear compare lie to me lol

every time i tried to pretend i had 480 raden helm, it tells me WV is still miles ahead

[balmy condor]

Lmao

[rigid eagle]

but now with the actual helm equipped blood is instantly same as WV

[balmy condor]

Idk man

[rigid eagle]

raidbot inting me

[strange python]

What sim does assassin use for aoe

[vestal wren]

compare wv to guardian

[strange python]

Hello I’m new to wow and love rogue, hit 120 yesterday and now? I’m little confused what I have to do...
What spec/build I have to focus...
Best method to farm gear is WQ? Or dungeon?
Tu for all answer 😄

[drifting cloud]

gearing is a clusterfuck for new players

try this https://www.wowhead.com/gearing-up-in-battle-for-azeroth

as for spec, well if you are assa you dont have that many options

[grizzled mist]

did something happen to the sims for Assass? i seem to be simmer for lower in the same gear with the same sim setup

[honest vessel]

did your corruption go below 25 this week?

[strange python]

as for spec, well if you are assa you dont have that many options
@drifting cloud is there a best spec to focus in?

[shrewd night]

Depends on what you want to do

[honest vessel]

assa is the best for raiding, while outlaw is marginally better for dungeons

[grizzled mist]

no, went from 26-23

[honest vessel]

that means you went below 25

[young portal]

So yes then?

[honest vessel]

so HoD turned off

lol

[grizzled mist]

ahhhhhhhhh fuck you're right

[shrewd night]

[honest vessel]

lol i made the same mistake

[grizzled mist]

and i forgot to buy a Expedient 2 last week

[honest vessel]

yeah same

exp 1 is up now tho

so you could grab 2 if you want

[grizzled mist]

and for some reason i read 20 corruption when you said 25. no clue why

[honest vessel]

put one on now

[strange python]

Exp 3 on the 11th

[grizzled mist]

i have 3 spare Exp 3s in the bank. just unsure if i want to go above 40 Cor. for prog raiding

[strange python]

Probably not for last 3

[honest vessel]

i forgot to buy a honed mind too, so i coulda dropped an exp 3 and put that on for +15 corruption

since you want one in the bis setup eventually

[strange python]

I found a nice pair of raid boe for 200k

so i just yoinked

[umbral rapids]

Having 200k...

[grizzled mist]

no joke, i've been staring at my gear on and off for about 20 mins trying to think what changed

i'm such a moron lol

tyty

[honest vessel]

like i said, i literally did the same thing yesterday, you could find the msg's if you wanted lmfao

had me spooked

[fallow otter]

Having 200k...
@umbral rapids you not selling enough carries

[strange python]

^

[umbral rapids]

True

Waiting on a 500k payment

[fallow otter]

No upfront?

[umbral rapids]

wdym

Boosting communities

[strange python]

boosting communities give you a balance

[fallow otter]

Ah cash in

[strange python]

And you get paid out weekly, normally on teus

[shrewd night]

[fallow otter]

Yeah thought you were waiting for direct

[nimble trench]

I was looking at some guides for Rexxar and someone said you can shadowstep behind him and drop an orb before pulling him.. But doesn't dropping an orb break stealth?

[little sky]

ohai

[strange python]

no

Afaik

When I duo I tend to vanish and drop an orb mid fight cuz why not

[fallow otter]

I ain't letting them take that massive cut we have a queue for 12/12m

[little sky]

question for who has the beta - does Bone SPike count as a bleed?

[shrewd night]

Just drop garrotes on him and he will die quick af

[little sky]

for doomblade.

[strange python]

How much is a massive cut to you?

[drifting cloud]

well most of them take like 30%

maybe even slightly higher

[shrewd night]

Start to evaluate if this is the right channel for this convo

[fallow otter]

Iirc they take like 25% and then finder gets 10 then you split the rest

Agree

[strange python]

Ah

[fallow otter]

Last of this topic coz of rules, if you selling for 7m it's alot

[strange python]

TO be fair it came about because of honed mind.

But yes

Wrong channel

[umbral rapids]

@fallow otter nah biweekly/monthly payments

[fallow otter]

Ok let's just put honed mind in a sentence every now and then and continue on 😋

[shrewd night]

If you think that will dodge a koffing, please try

[drifting cloud]

@shrewd night gratz on mecha ring!

[fallow otter]

I don't dw :)

[drifting cloud]

maybe if I did my weekly Id have a chance at that fat 200 dps

[shrewd night]

[umbral rapids]

Just do 15 dungeons

[shrewd night]

getting a sockets worth of haste for free, lets go

[drifting cloud]

sockets? 🤔

[strange python]

Gonna try to learn assassin m+

Wish me luck

[fallow otter]

Is the brain damage worth the socket

[umbral rapids]

You assume my brain isn’t damaged already

One socket missing

Don’t want to socket a 460 torment tho :(

[fallow otter]

I can say as someone that is brain damaged from farming that shit, yes it's worth it but it has affected my life negatively

Lol

[strange python]

Just kill mythic xanesh

5head

[umbral rapids]

if only

[indigo cloak]

!sl

[prisma monolith]

Mystlers Shadowlands Notes: http://tiny.cc/p8ljsz

[honest vessel]

is the wowhead article he made more up to date?

i'd def suggest looking at that one

v good