you replace it pretty soon :p
#assassination
robust light
sleek pecan
@left schooner for arena badge is better
But you would Like to get the drest trinket tho
devout fiber
Focus War Campaign right?
Still haven't done nazjatar
(stopped as i got portals running)
balmy condor
yeah war campaign is the main story
normal olive
stoopd Whispyr learn german
strange python
ill cleanse that tentacle
haste is da wae
btw what do you guys think about Vita/ dragonscale on assa ?
frozen lodge
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
devout fiber
What are these^
normal olive
These are Weak Auras
strange python
looks like juicers
balmy condor
oh my god
strange python
hahahha
balmy condor
are you blind
strange python
i can see everything
balmy condor
I sure hope you can
strange python
XD
strange python
is there a must have wa for m+? just like the raid one?
normal olive
must have wa for raid? what
strange python
aight ty
devout fiber
@balmy condor you sure i should be doing the campaing still?
I'm finding these quests extremely easy
balmy condor
I mean, if you're wanting to be optimal, you would m+ spam forever and do raids
but that is the main story line
and we're at the end of the expansion
dim ingot
casually playing my rogue alt 12/12 H 3/12 m nothing serious. Is it worth working toward 3xshroud build? I am only now learning sin 3xdose, played outlaw exclusively in ep
dim ingot
kk , i dont. Whats the haste breakpoint you aim for to switch?
balmy condor
I usually tell people 30% if you have equal quality azerite
but you should take that with a huge grain of salt
dim ingot
lol
balmy condor
1 container of exped?
devout fiber
@balmy condor Right but what about other quest lines. I've been doing horrifics when I can
dim ingot
i have one in my bags yeah
balmy condor
nazjatar should have a fair bit of questing
balmy condor
do you care about finishing all the story before the end of expac
what are you trying to do
balmy condor
then spam m+ or pvp
devout fiber
And Azerite
balmy condor
azerite you'll need to raid if you want to get azerite fast
devout fiber
Right, but I'm not sure if I even have the gear to M+ or PvP yet
One of my daggers is still ilvl 370 xD
balmy condor
then do heroic dungeons
devout fiber
Heroic dungeons it is
strange python
when you kill the pillar at the boss it does give % ?
balmy condor
yes
strange python
but not the regular 2,5% or ?
balmy condor
no it gives the full %
strange python
ok nice
celest badge
read the guide but didnt see anything on this:
Is there a minimum % of each stat i should aim for? like dont drop below 20% mastery for example?
celest badge
using ask mr robot and raidbot and they both sim differently hah
drifting cloud
dont use mr. robot, its been obsolete since wod
balmy condor
amr is dogshit
balmy condor
np
green basalt
celest badge
damn too many variations to sim 😦
celest badge
hah yea thats a wholllllle different set of gear
low girder
celest badge
sim's seem to be encouraging crit and mastery over haste
balmy condor
for what
celest badge
put gear as it says and trying a re-sim with other stuff
vital haven
azerite pool trait 
celest badge
?
balmy condor
your chest
celest badge
yea what about it?
celest badge
as in, its bad?
balmy condor
yes
celest badge
ahh ^^
azerites arent my best point, but dont have any other chest :/
guess i'll be spending some residuun on that this week 😛
celest badge
working on that 😛
balmy condor
Just get ready for them to disappear in ~2 months
steel ridge
Are they really going to be cleansed entirely? That confirmed?
balmy condor
Yes
steel ridge
What a bummer
steel ridge
was hoping for some legacy time walking gear 
steel ridge
Dont have any
balmy condor
Such is borrowed power
steel ridge
But the HoA will stay for old content
balmy condor
Well
We don’t know if they’re smart about devving
Because they would need to dev for us to judge that
strange python
The rogue dev being on vacation meme is actually depressing me. Not one single time in all of WoW’s existence has delayed development for a specific class turned out good for that class
balmy condor
Procrastination in general actually
wary seal
guy, what is the significance of wearing certain weapons in main hand and certain in offhand ? And how do you choose what to mear in which hand
balmy condor
Mainhand -> ilvl
Offhand -> stats
Mainhand weapon damage is big
Offhand weapon damage is not big
wary seal
noted, thanks alot
balmy condor
No problemo
wary seal
Also which one is better for raids with the expedient build, Potion of Unbridled Fury or Potion of Focused Resolve?
steel ridge
Depends on boss. Pure ST its the focused resolve
main warren
Resolve if you don't switch targets, fury if there's adds.
and you can go between them based on fight timers too.
Like if adds don't show up till later or there's a burn phase with no adds etc
wary seal
ooh, alright thanks
fossil vault
Hey guys - quick question, (returning player) it seems like I should aim for getting expedient for raiding or severe and Strikethrough for M+. If I wanted to just pick one of those options for both activities - what would you guys go for?
tropic ocean
u can use severe strikethrough for both
but you can also play raid build in both
so I'd recommend to buy the expedients
as expedient is stronger in raid than str/crit is
vast forum
expedient if you wanna go for a single build 100%
crimson palm
Full gushing ez
slow helm
why is DD and NP simming higher with my expedient SS build? o.O
umbral rapids
On Nzoth you vendetta on pull then on nzoth ? 🤔
slow helm
i ran a droptimizer on mythic ny'alotha and every DD and NP azerite piece simmed higher
vast forum
depends on your gear
slow helm
66% haste
vast forum
what ilvls?
umbral rapids
Too much crit D:
slow helm
is it the blightborne doing it?
umbral rapids
BBI is good
slow helm
465 480 475
umbral rapids
Yeah it’s just ilvl then
vast forum
well if you're comparing it to mythic nyalotha, ofc 15 ilvl comes out on top
slow helm
but its not just head shoulders with NP and HoD is dps increase compared to SS and blightborne
even tho its 480 shoulders vs 475 ilganoth shoulders
vast forum
it's 480 vs 480 tho, it counts the 5 ilvl trait at the end
slow helm
but still shouldnt blightborne SS win still with a high haste build?
vast forum
they're close
umbral rapids
Yes but what combinations did it use
slow helm
NP and HoD
slow helm
i think i found the mistake i had vision major from a test in pvp lmao
zinc zephyr
@onyx crane 104 i think
onyx crane
darnit then I have been slacking
blissful storm
how does it look like with Galecaller's Boon when do we want to hold it? What am I asking is how much exsang cd is enough to hold our boon and pop it right before exsang?
vast forum
generally
use with first exsang
then use on CD
then delay to line up with 2nd cds (vend/vanish/exsang)
blissful storm
so second exsang doesnt have to be lined up?
vast forum
some minor tweaks can be done on specific fight times but that's the general use
blissful storm
ok, thanks
onyx crane
boon has 2 min cd, do we use vision minor?
onyx crane
hmm ah yes that is true
arctic walrus
And no, don’t use vision
onyx crane
why not 😮
arctic walrus
Because I said so?
No because it’s bad
It desyncs vanish from your main cds
Every other gale will be used within your cds, simply use it on cd during the downtime
small thicket
when i sim with crimson tempest it doesnt appear on the abilities for patch, do i have to change something or chanmge the sim typ[e
abilities or dmg*
arctic walrus
Link it
normal olive
@small thicket do you have a ttk trait? if yes then envenom will be cast instead of CT in ST
onyx crane
cuz I like vendetta being off cd with my BotE
arctic walrus
Assuming all rank 3 and correct build, formless/c&s, iris, breath
Otherwise just sim what you have if it’s different
normal olive
Yeah i get breath, iris and bote for my sims
small thicket
Okay, let me check, im helping a buddy thats all, not my main
arctic walrus
Bote minor if you have clf major yes
small thicket
yea he does haf 2 x ttk
have
i just tested on my rogue without ttk and it simmed the ct
whats the azerite trait stack for the exp / exang build
well, the ideal stack i mean
normal olive
3x SS, 2x HoD, 1x BBI i believe it was
small thicket
Sweet
Tthanks for the advice guys
My paladin brain did not know the answers 😄
little fractal
Hey guys! I found this blogpost: https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/input-lag-and-double-casting-abilities/57354/8
Which i am having the same problem aswell because my haste can get really high sometimes, is there anybody here who have set their spell cast window to something else than 400?
balmy condor
I’ve heard of It happening but it’s never happened to me so idk
normal olive
Every time i play outlaw it happens to me
doesn't help the fact that i don't like it when it works
fathom swift
I play at like 200 spell queue but its personal preference
Lowering def reduces chance of doublecasting
little fractal
so you enter like /console SpellQueueWindow 200 ?
little fractal
im gonna test it a bit, because its related to your ingame ping right?
fathom swift
Kinda not exactly
fathom swift
Ya just default of 400 is gonna be too high unless you play on like 200 ping
little fractal
Changed it to 200, it feels alot more snappy
onyx crane
what is best window to use bote?
balmy condor
After exsang
little fractal
Bote?
normal olive
Blood of the enemy
little fractal
ahh yeah
im running deep stratagem, and sometimes if im unlucky i get 5 combo points instead of 6, i usually just do another mutilate to get full combo points, it feels like im wasting combo points, but its the right thing to do?
before the exanguniate on opener i mean
Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Vendetta+Trink macro > Mutilate > Mutilate (IF needed for full combo points) > Rupture > Exanguinate > BoTE
onyx crane
it's still hard for me to incorporate tempest in rotation
little fractal
How so?
onyx crane
idk it feel cumbersome
normal olive
I'm not allowed to talk about openers sry
little fractal
haha why navi
onyx crane
he uses dresta
normal olive
little fractal
LOL
i use galecallers boon on fights that i can stand still on and lusturous plume on fights with movement, like drest mythic
main blaze
If you are always trying to fit tempest into exsang thats the wrong thing to do. Just worry about full garrotes / rupture for exsang and just keep CT up on the target and not worry about the length
balmy condor
@little fractal That 5cp in the opener is when you would CT
But hitting mutilate again for 6 is perfectly fine
little fractal
whatt abbrevation is CT for?
onyx crane
the opener is the hardest part
balmy condor
Crimson tempest
little fractal
ahh
balmy condor
The opener is just muscle memory
little fractal
i usually dont use tempest in my exanguiate
balmy condor
It’s not that bad
onyx crane
I don't go over 200k on dummy
balmy condor
Yeah there’s an opener variation where you hit 5cp after the mutilate, CT, mutilate again till 6, and then you fire off the rupture exsang
onyx crane
so you do opener, then you can do another exsang then wait vanish to go off cd and go all cds again or is that wrong
and ofc keep shut up and do envenom ct stuff in between
bleak spoke
You should never muti at 5
Regardless of whether you’re playing ct
You just take the loss on the rupture cuz of the gain in global time I think
balmy condor
No, in your cooldowns you definitely should
balmy condor
Yeah like energy is problem right
We’re gcd locked anyway with all the exped we stack
So we mutilate over throw knife
More damage
Same effect
:)
You only mutilate so you can do a 6cp rup into an exsang anyway
bleak spoke
I guess
balmy condor
So you’ll be hard pressed to be starving on energy once you hit exsang
bleak spoke
What
balmy condor
And you would be able to mut again
balmy condor
I’m talking after the CT
balmy condor
Yeah after the garrote you either hit 5 and CT or you hit 6 and rupture
balmy condor
And if the CT variation is too big brain you would mut rup
Yeah if you play PB minimum is 5
bleak spoke
Also it’s the case that like if you miss the fast exsang nowadays lots of fights aren’t long enough
Which feels bad
Any 2:21 kills on reclear 😱
balmy condor
Just play vop minor for anything under 2:30 imo
bleak spoke
And save vanish for second v?
balmy condor
Ye
bleak spoke
Very vomit
balmy condor
Nah it’s pretty cool
bleak spoke
If I don’t spike out my fire mages on pull in st what do I have to live for
balmy condor
There’s still a good chance you spike them out on pull
balmy condor
Blood minor to VoP minor isn’t magically going to lower your opener spike by 20k
balmy condor
onyx crane
I still don't get it...
balmy condor
Yeah there’s visuals in raz’s guide
onyx crane
I don't have gladiotors trinket tho
balmy condor
That’s fine
You can use basically every on-use trinket in place of that
Except font, you would precast that
But don’t use font
Not anymore
onyx crane
what about boon?
balmy condor
You can use that in the same place
I have mine bound to vendetta and I just cast again when it comes off cd
onyx crane
I liked the traditional rotation a lot better
onyx crane
and I still can't keep CT up I have to actively remind myself of it's existence
balmy condor
That’s what weakauras are for 
balmy condor
...how do you think weakauras work?
onyx crane
depends which one you use
balmy condor
Does it?
strange python
weakauras for dot timers are nice
balmy condor
Weakauras just give you information on bleeds and stuff
It’s not a rotation helper
It’s a UI thing
harsh anchor
It’s literally a method of seeing your CDs and timers. Or whatever custom thing you want to see. Much more useful than staring at nameplates and your action bars.
balmy condor
If I give my weakauras to someone, they don’t magically know how to play rogue
It’s not a bop-it
lapis vector
whats the opener if im running, Bote as major, PB and TB?
onyx crane
I'm getting the hang of it manage to be around 90 ish dps on dummy
balmy condor
You would TB into Bote @lapis vector, assuming you’re still running subt
onyx crane
my aura is too strong, it overshadows weakauras
next thing we know we are using dullshakras
lapis vector
so the normal; garrote > rupture > garrote > vendeta > TB > Bote > mutilte > mutile > envenom
onyx crane
tb?
normal olive
toxic blade
lapis vector
toxic blade
balmy condor
Yeah
onyx crane
ah the crit build is it not?
balmy condor
That seems correct
onyx crane
I think it's crit
balmy condor
But remember you only gar-rup-gar if you have a SS trait
It’s the poison build
Not necessarily crit
lapis vector
its the "not so good gear yet" build
balmy condor
Well you can still run poison and do fine with good gear as well
onyx crane
idk if that counts as good these days
lapis vector
im 469 so a bit lower
onyx crane
well I have some crit corruptions instead of full haste
balmy condor
ILvL still doesn’t mean much honestly
onyx crane
cuz I was poison first
balmy condor
But 55% haste is low
lapis vector
i got like 36% thats really low then
balmy condor
Sockets help a ton
lapis vector
yeah i only got 1 socket atm
balmy condor
But people are sitting in town with 80% haste and the sims are starting to tell them to go vers and mastery sockets
So 55% is a little behind
balmy condor
I think if you’re full heroic geared and have sockets, 70% haste is fine
Any amount of crit is viable
onyx crane
so I should swap my crit gems for haste?
balmy condor
People are usually between 30-38ish
onyx crane
yeah yea
onyx crane
34% crit 55% haste 37% mast and 1% versi
balmy condor
Yeah that’s all fine
We don’t have breakpoints
So you could’ve said 27% crit 63% haste 35% mast 3% vers
Or any other slightly different set of numbers
And my eyes would glaze over
And I would say yeah bud that’s great
onyx crane
but this is at better than hc gear... and below 40 currupt
mystic osprey
Sitting at 79%. Mastery is tops now.
onyx crane
how high is your curroption capi
mystic osprey
- Or 56. Below 60
lapis vector
which should i use insteed?
lapis vector
hahaha only been playing for the last 1,5 month. last time i played was back in draenor so didnt know shit.
my buddies told me to use it on a high ilvl piece
sullen pagoda
if u want to get the most out of rings get mechagon rings
lapis vector
yeah a saw that yesterday, the combo with gives u haste when i attack from behind, right?
sullen pagoda
yea
lapis vector
the problem is getting into high keys for that. just found out about rio score and mine is preatty bad
balmy condor
You can do 15’s with your guild/friends np
They aren’t very hard anymore with all the corruption we have
Could even do 14’s, they drop 465’s as well
lapis vector
okey will look inte that
onyx crane
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2SQkZS7iqf5cuaXb8r8wzY this is my char atm
onyx crane
should i swap the xrit ones out with haste ones or just go over 40 corruption
maybeI could clean the leg one
idk how great that one is
onyx crane
but lvl 3 racing pulse vs lvl 3 exped
lapis vector
so if im running exsanguinate, should i let the exsang bleeds run out or reapply bleeds for pandemic thing?
balmy condor
Let it run out
Pandemic is only duration
You’d lose the damage and the tick rate
Not good
lapis vector
kk thank u alot
young portal
What is meant by exsang snaps haste?
balmy condor
It means once you hit exsang, the tick rate of those dots is constant
Snapshotting is an old concept mostly gone now except for exsang
Where you hit a button and the dots look at your haste and then don’t adjust actively
They instead stick with that haste level until they expire
Feral druid had snapshotting for the longest time
Was one of the reasons why it was so hard to play
young portal
That makes sense, thanks for clearing that up mate
balmy condor
Np
onyx crane
so ehm CLF sims higher but is a bit more screwy when it comes to cds
or do I ahve to press it as a trinke after opening garotte
balmy condor
You press it before vendetta
And then the next one you line up with whatever you can cooldown wise
Depending on kill times
onyx crane
but if I use boon in my opener i go for the short opener to optimize the 10 sec duration of it?
balmy condor
Still doesn’t affect opener :)
onyx crane
well the long opener has exs on 9.5 if you are a tad slow on reaction you might miss boon's effect
balmy condor
Yeah but you’re probably macroing it to vendetta or casting right before exsang
And vendetta is on 4
So idk quite what the issue is
balmy condor
crimson palm
Navi's opener should be pinned
normal olive
"What to never do"
strange python
Mines probably just as bad im always fucking mine up
normal olive
strange python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/736682874706591795/POOGERS.PNG u sure @strange python
normal olive
wtf xD
strange python
What the fuck is that
balmy condor
more tabs means more knowledge
strange python
Is that a pvp opener
balmy condor
no
normal olive
no that was my shad opener
strange python
Cursed_opener.jpg
normal olive
POOGERS is a good emote ok?
balmy condor
strange python
I dont feel as bad about mine anymore
normal olive
eat it
strange python
Ok
warm olive
what m+ dungeons do you run with raidspec? everything on tyrannical / nothing on fortified? or just a couple on tyrannical?
balmy condor
WS/KR/JY and basically everything on tyrannical
balmy condor
strange python
Yeah i just do my normal build idk
grave bison
when you pug, you don't get huge pulls, that's why i think it's a good option
balmy condor
yeah I mean if you're pugging really anything works
warm olive
ok, thanks
balmy condor
I wouldn't pug a tank for anything higher than like a 22 though
that sounds cancerous
even a 20 probably
onyx crane
boon linked to vendetta hmm........
balmy condor
what about it
vast forum
not a horrible idea, but also you need to cast it between vendettas
balmy condor
I have it bound that way just because I can hit the same key again for gale later
vast forum
@warm olive ws/kr/jy/tos/td (start TD with aoe build then run out and swap)
onyx crane
pff I am going to drown in all these options!
warm olive
Is running out viable? Best would be to run out before 1st Boss?, but that sounds like a Time loss
vast forum
running 3x EB and crit build and pulling the entire beach at the same time
is extremely efficient time-wise
then you just run out, quickly swap gear and talents and quickly run back in
onyx crane
CLF seems less bursty than blood
balmy condor
I mean
It may SEEM that way
But it’s definitely more damage by the end of the opener
CLF on really short fights pumps mega hard
onyx crane
kinda figuring out how to use boon's cd
onyx crane
exang is of cd only 15 sec of cd before is it worth alligning them?
next solar
so is it looking like necro for assass?
plain thistle
we cant be sure yet
balmy condor
its looking like subtlety for assass
plain thistle
we can hope they actually fix the others
normal olive
next solar
yeah lol
balmy condor
we don't even know if alacrity is a place-holder
next solar
hopefully legos this week
leaden burrow
Anyone got a WA to track empowered garrote ? Havent seem to find one
spice spire
its looking like subtlety for assass
Fuck that’s true
shy dust
Whose to say
odd rampart
assa feels so bad to play on beta
shy dust
Maybe assassination just does more damage
odd rampart
it needs so much work
shy dust
More people will likely play if it does more damage than subtlety
odd rampart
sub pumps
strange python
sub aoe just looks cooler than fok too
all shadowy
what if they've just been holding out on us and sin ends up being best melee dps by a mile
red plaza
assass probably gonna still be the go to for raid prog tho
red plaza
its mainly the disconnects i think that makes sub suboptimal on prog.
balmy condor
the disconnects?
red plaza
running out to deal with mechanics. disconnecting from the boss
balmy condor
odd rampart
if serrated stays the same then sub doesn't suffer as much from lower boss uptime
normal olive
I hate it when the boss unplugs my wifi cable 
balmy condor
yeah I hate it when the boss mechanics disconeccts my router
blizz making crazy mechanics these days
strange python
We're supposed to run out for mechanics?
red plaza
at the start of stuff yeah 😛 couldnt feint/mongo inside wrathions gale blast or stand in fire cloak cataclysm
balmy condor
sub disconnects were only really ever a problem cause DFA
lone junco
@balmy condor wasn't sub problems for bfa just a tuning issue?
I mean they could have increased the bonus from mastery.
balmy condor
wdym
I think subs problem is a little more nuanced than just give more damage
cause if you tinker with something like mastery, they can kinda scale out of control like we saw with zul
5% mastery buff for finishers and then you toss on the 12% from nightstalker and the 30% from dark and the 5% from deeper strat and symbols
and you just get a multiplying monster
especially if they're allowed to funnel dps like on zul
eviscerate damage isn't what sub needs
balmy condor
that just looks like any WA that tells you when your poisons dropped
grizzled orbit
Why? It just flashes, glows, or pops up on your screen when it expires. If that timer addon for poisons is constantly up, that’s taking up some unnecessary screen real estate
balmy condor
thats what I'm sayin
plucky shadow
Any tips on when to CD on mythic carapace?
edgy ginkgo
do i rupture adds in m+ in an aoe pull?
strange python
Yes
edgy ginkgo
how many?
strange python
@balmy condor answer this man
edgy ginkgo
or only echoing baldes?
@edgy ginkgo i mean fan of knives of course^^
balmy condor
You only rupture until you get energy back enough to spam
edgy ginkgo
ok
edgy ginkgo
ok
balmy condor
so maintain your 4-5 bleeds for energy, maintain CT, then dump CP with envenom
however if you're in aoe and are EB/crit stacking
you would only finish for EP
edgy ginkgo
du i use vanish for getting in stealth if the tank pulls in chain?
balmy condor
so you would fok 3-4 times and then finish to refresh ep
yes
vanish for chain pulls is solid usage
balmy condor
no problemo
thanks for the ping @strange python I'm working on my sub weakauras lmao
strange python
no problemo, didn't wanna give out bad info
icy oasis
Is there any working camera distance script?
nova haven
cheat death or elusivenesss for mythic ilg prog?
rancid bobcat
Cheat
uncut schooner
The logic I've understood with raiding so far is.
The less you have to press outside of damage buttons
The better.
nova haven
Kk ty
rancid bobcat
There's nothing you really need elusiveness for this tier
quasi pewter
use elusiveness for nzoth prog
rancid bobcat
What damage needs elusiveness to be reduced
vast forum
sounds very unnecessary
crimson palm
Maybe for someone that killed the boss 15 times
Those 2 mechanics are the ones that kill you on progress
And there isn't a mechanic that can kill you with cd, usually the whole raid is dead at that point
Leeching is also decent, I played it during our progress it helps with healing
vast forum
i just feel like feinting the clip from someone on anguish is unnecessary when you can just avoid getting clipped 
and at least from my experience, probe mind is not an issue when progging nowadays
rancid bobcat
anguish on prog is one of those make it or break it mechanics it feels like
you either fuck it up into a wipe or you have it solved
but idk
crimson palm
Any dmg you avoid is gonna make it worth considering cd is a dead talent
Unless you run faster to bashers than the tank does
rancid bobcat
does anguish splash need elusiveness to be reduced anyway
crimson palm
Yes
rancid bobcat
aight
crimson palm
It also reduces the accidental walk in dmg
rancid bobcat
i guess it helps for the dot too idk
umbral rapids
On NZoth you vendetta on pull then on Nzoth ? 🤔
crimson palm
It depends on what you are assigned to do
umbral rapids
well not me
Rogue in this guild doesn’t go to psychus
So I assume use it on a tentacle on pull then on the 1st burn phase
quasi pewter
all of anguish needs elusiveness unless you stand in the pool lol
umbral rapids
Since it pretty much lines up
crimson palm
Anguish impact dmg is feintable tho?
crimson palm
Don't tell me I've been placebo feinting it
quasi pewter
you have
quasi pewter
whats torment
crimson palm
The p1 cast
umbral rapids
The pulse thing around the boss I believe ?
quasi pewter
ah
idk
anguish was pretty dangerous during prog so elusiveness is good
didnt rly use it for anything else
umbral rapids
D:
quasi pewter
@crimson palm i checked real quick, normal feint does work on eternal torment, anguish apply/ticks are unaffected by it though, so you can stop feinting there if you are running cd
as far as i can tell the splash is feintable without elusiveness though
fathom swift
You want them rank 3 tho
balmy condor
also spark not viable
crimson palm
@crimson palm i checked real quick, normal feint does work on eternal torment, anguish apply/ticks are unaffected by it though, so you can stop feinting there if you are running cd
@quasi pewter well when raid soaking the explosion i still feint so it's just 1-2 gcds that are saved
It's like w/e rn anyway, bigger problem is managing tftb if it overlaps
strange python
i thought that its hard to get blood of the enemy
i am playing Battleground since 9pm and i got 6k honor
LOL
- 1500 honor when i check in the quest XD
i could reach 25k tomorrow if i play it the whole day
started with 4k at 9pm btw
hybrid harness
oblique lark
easiest honor farm its half-afk ashran, just pick pocket fragments on enemy base 🙂
balmy condor
drifting cloud
please use reagent bank
rancid bobcat
maybe his bank is full
uncut schooner
No one can see my 428 anchor weeds then.
uncut schooner
Rename urself to Farmer
umbral rapids
More like hoarder
uncut schooner
Sorry, I'll get to multiboxing immediately.
umbral rapids
Took me a while to realize that tbh
strange python
that dude plays the game
uncut schooner
@balmy condor What do I do now, I'm lost.
balmy condor
more keys
uncut schooner
Roger.
balmy condor
:D
balmy condor
thats a weird way to spell subtlety
strange python
Daggie boiz best boiz SL
empty ravine
grim trellis
outside of CDs when bleeds drop do you instantly refresh with whatever CP you have or always 5-6CP? CT build
grim trellis
thank you
uncut schooner
Some bleed ticks are still better than no bleed ticks.
void sinew
anyone know why rogues on wow logs run condensed life force on mythic maut?
over blood of the enemy
void sinew
blood has to have better burst then CLF though no?
balmy condor
not at all
void sinew
oh all the top fights are like less than 2 mins
balmy condor
It'll even sim higher for 5 minutes under 90% of circumstances
void sinew
so yeah that would be why, but blood would be better if guild isnt cracked out
balmy condor
blood is only better single target between like 2:40 and 3
void sinew
hmm neat
uncut schooner
I don't think you'd ever want to get rid of lucid dreams would you?
Surely iris would be the first to go.
Saying that I suppose 430 haste vs 460 vers.
void sinew
I think you gain so much haste at a point where lucid becomes irrelevant
in pve at least
balmy condor
you'd need roughly 60%
to drop lucid
need more
need less
idk
depends on sockets too
oblique lark
bote better than clf for:
1:50 with vop
2:00 with holding CDs for gcb/ch traits
2:40 with default setup
uncut schooner
So basically CLF just better.
At least in mythic progression where fights generally go over 3m.
Time to enjoy another 3 week grind
😂
balmy condor
yeah what smoker said
uncut schooner
Sums up BFA for me at this point.
"Go grind this to make that easier. Done? Okay now go grind this other thing to make it easier. Done? Okay now-."
Me: Does this ever end.
Answer: No.
void sinew
yeah so isnt clf just better for prog where fights go 5mins+
balmy condor
depends yeah
uncut schooner
Unless its a fight like hivemind I guess.
oblique lark
~5 min bote better anyway 🙂
uncut schooner
I can imagine bote just being better for hivemind.
balmy condor
I think it actually depends
the bote damage isn't incredible
its definitely good though
uncut schooner
I mean, the selling point for bote still confuses me.
What is it that makes crit so desirable for us as assa.
Because we're clearly not using it for the raw damage.
Because then presumably breath is just better.
balmy condor
25% crit damage during exsang
uncut schooner
Does the 25% crit damage affect bleeds or something?
balmy condor
breath is good, but with haste you get GCD capped
it affects everything
crit chance itself is also very good
oblique lark
i used clf only in 2 cases: fight less than 1:30 or 3:30-3:40, and even in these cases, it's better to take formless void
void sinew
gotcha sweet thanks
uncut schooner
Actually that's a good question.
When is it really appropriate to use formless void in raid.
And what slot does it usually take.
Assuming obviously you have enough haste.
rancid bobcat
Exsang build concentrates a lot of its damage into the Garrote burst so anything you can do to buff that damage is better
oblique lark
void in major its min/max dps
rancid bobcat
Like how fire revolves around combust
They use font+badge to get really big burst
Instead of something like psyche shredder
balmy condor
formless minor is good
uncut schooner
Gotcha.
Will need to test it now I can run it over breath major.
And see how spicy it is (bote 3)
oblique lark
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/688445594?t=01h35m05s u can check my void + font + gcb + 2 ch traits maut for example
steep plover
Since i havent git a 3rd ss/eb piece what would be a good alternative to the 3rd eb? Like hod/ttk/np is there a clear winner out of them
oblique lark
with fights 2:30+ need wv + clf steal
balmy condor
TTK
devout fiber
balmy condor
hod is good too
steep plover
Tyy
devout fiber
I'm 433 Ilvl
@balmy condor i've started mythics
and my dps is seriously slacking
Especially with AOE
I genuienly can't keep up with my DH friend
and any other dps
uncut schooner
What the fuck is that damage @oblique lark
How are all of you doing that much dps, what the hell.
oblique lark
it's called minmax 🙂
uncut schooner
If that's the requirement for CE I'm fucked lol
I'm going to assume that was mythic maut or something.
oblique lark
its even not top 1 maut
void sinew
that was pretty nuts
balmy condor
yeah
devout fiber
What is the rotation for multiple targets?
balmy condor
that actually seems kinda unlucky
balmy condor
undergeared probably fine yeah
dire spoke
Blades from above
devout fiber
These talents fine for mythic?
balmy condor
iron wire
devout fiber
Done
wary kelp
@oblique lark what minors were u running with formless void as your major
seems pretty nuts for burst
balmy condor
iris breath blood probably
uncut schooner
And I've been pretty impressed with people hitting 100k+ dps.
This guy just blew my perceptions of good lol
oblique lark
bote minor, u can check my guide in pin for more info guys
wary kelp
I have that guide open on a tab already
balmy condor
yeah I mean you're also not killing maut in 1 minute
wary kelp
didnt realize u wrote it
oblique lark
1:30 nice timer why not)
uncut schooner
31 wipes on ra'den yesterday
oblique lark
if holding exs with 2ch + gcb
uncut schooner
the week before was 44
void sinew
i have bomber and extravagent as i havent gotten lucky enough to get torak shoulders
oblique lark
i play with 2CH on all bosses if im holding cds for every 1 min, like maut 1:22, wrat 2:15+-, vex 2:20 etc
uncut schooner
I feel like our damage is just about enough for ra'den, the orb phases are where we're struggling as we're usually dropping 2-3 dps by the third orb phase so we can't get ra'den down quick enough into his second phase
balmy condor
yeah just don't die 4head
devout fiber
Any specific dungeons I should be looking out for that's good for assa gear?
uncut schooner
It's the nightmare phase fucking people lol
devout fiber
To do mythics on
uncut schooner
Spreading before the raid wide damage and then moving out with the pillars.
balmy condor
mechagon is good, kings rest is good
devout fiber
Thank you
uncut schooner
Like is there a secret strat to handling the raid wide damage after ra'den absorbs the nightmare orb.
Sorry, offtopic.
uncut schooner
Yeah we're using that.
balmy condor
they're all good
dire spoke
I'm finally below 60corr upcoming ID 
ember pilot
where is this guy lolol
dire spoke
grim trellis
on the topic of essences CLF major sims higher for me but I find it akward for our fight lengths. we're still progging so fights are around 5 mins or less. how am I supposed to use 2nd CLF? if I save CDs for it I feel like they're on cooldown for too long and I could probably use another Vend/Vanish set for a 5min fight but using CLF alone feels hella akward. any suggestions? simming for 5 mins btw not 3 and still sims higher
balmy condor
line it up with whatever you can as long as you don't miss casts
uncut schooner
Can kind of understand where the concerns are for rogue on SL atm though.
grim trellis
yeah that's what I was thinking. I miss an entire set of CDs if I save them up so probably not worth. might just switch to BotE tbh it sims around 1.5k less for me but just feels better
uncut schooner
2 weeks (?) into Beta and still nothing on rogue conduits/legendaries. Not to mention missing talents.
Seems like they've only really just started making progress on druids if anything.
Some other classes are still missing legendaries effects too.
balmy condor
yeah that's usually the argument for bote
uncut schooner
It's a tad worrying given that during the Beta 'reveal stream' they claimed it would be feature complete. I still really want to see the direction Assa is going into SL.
Since I enjoy it a lot.
balmy condor
they're going the way sin has gone for the last 3 expansions tbh
uncut schooner
Bad until later patches with better gearing/stat weights?
balmy condor
slow != bad
uncut schooner
Isn't that a case of the mastery not being ideal though?
balmy condor
what's bad and good depends on how its tuned
but sin will play near identical to what we have now with a poison build
uncut schooner
Like, slice and dice going baseline is a big buff to the fluidity of Sub and Outlaw because their mastery/passives are tied to auto-attacks, right?
balmy condor
which is how it played earlier in this expac
and how it played all through legion
yeah slice is just auto buff to sin
technically poisons too
by way of auto buff
but it doesn't add anything
uncut schooner
Yeah, whereas to Sub and Outlaw its inadvertedly a buff to their rotation/consistency.