assassination

[balmy condor]

you just take different talents

[royal lantern]

NOBODY would die

[devout fiber]

oh

[royal lantern]

like, littearly, every single match would go too 80%dampening

[arctic walrus]

nvm that wasn't even mp

[icy ember]

good then bliz can realize they fucked up

[balmy condor]

viable

[arctic walrus]

still do better than a sub rogue in bis gear

[median badge]

Yeah you're right but it really sucks that you have to PvE to PvP

[royal lantern]

what

[balmy condor]

what

[devout fiber]

So what talents would I run instead

[balmy condor]

you don't have to pvp for anything

[royal lantern]

where do you have too do pvp lol

its more the other way around

[median badge]

backwards xD

im half dyslexic

i think

[royal lantern]

if you wanna do really high pvp you are somewhat forced too do pve

[median badge]

thats what i meant

lol

[normal olive]

Well you have to pvp for bote

[devout fiber]

Got 2 double dose 1 vendetta and 1 twist

[arctic walrus]

there you go

[normal olive]

yeah xD

[royal lantern]

i dont count random battlegrounds as pvp tbh

[royal lantern]

random bgs are like.....you wait for children with weird names too throw themself at you

[normal olive]

Hello it's me, the weird child

[median badge]

same tbh

[royal lantern]

and meanwhile 3other children with weird names tell eachother that they are really popo

[median badge]

hence rogue

what nameplates is everyone using now

[devout fiber]

What talents do I run if I don't have SS?

[balmy condor]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide

please

internet

I love helping people

but there are guides for this

[median badge]

i am the internet

[normal olive]

Whispyr wanna help me with my opener

[balmy condor]

no ty

[normal olive]

[hidden bay]

Hello, do we pool Energy for toxic blade?

[vital haven]

yes

[balmy condor]

if you don't have haste

then yes

if you're running exped

kinda w/e tbh

[vital haven]

run exsang

lmao

[balmy condor]

ye

azerite is kinda difficult tho

[arctic walrus]

@hidden bay hello newcomer, please look to the pins and posted guides for references to how to pick this class up 🙂

[balmy condor]

but its end of expac anyway

[hidden bay]

🙂 sweet, thanks

[balmy condor]

my troll senses are tingling

[normal olive]

I'm not sending a opener don't worry

[balmy condor]

nah me thinks I got jebaited by herp

[normal olive]

[steep plover]

Harlans/vita harlans/spyglass vita/spyglass

Which one u reckon for m+

[balmy condor]

spyglass harlans if you're going crit
vita harlans if you're going haste

vita spyglass probably fine too for haste

[steep plover]

Sweet ty

Also does spyglass only pick on person or can it proc on multiple mobs? Idk how it works just got it last night

[balmy condor]

it procs on 1 but you can stack it with fan

procs off non-targeted abilities

[steep plover]

Right sweet

[devout fiber]

Woa

I jsut did one of those invasion things

to the shadowrealm p much

I couldn't even do the first boss my mind got corrupted

[mystic osprey]

Horrific vision?

[devout fiber]

Yeah

Didn't even do first boss

mind corrupted

I wrote didn't

i meant couldn't

[steep plover]

Have u got ur cape yet

[normal olive]

You get the cloak before doing the first vision

[little fiber]

Just wondering, is it viable to run crit/mastery in raid as well for ST and if so how much behind haste/crit would it be? like roughly. Trying to find a slow spec but everything seems to revolve around haste these days

[tribal marlin]

I play full severe/strikethrow (legacy of M+ and cba playing live to get Exp) I sim around 100k

[balmy condor]

ye

its usable

[drowsy estuary]

GOT TWO CARA DAGGERS ON ONE SHOT

[royal lantern]

could have won the lottery with that luck

but no

waste it on a videogame

smh

[wintry terrace]

lol

been trying 4 weeks in a row for a mythic one : /

[median badge]

is a 470 piece with crit mast worth putting a corruption on

crit haste*

[normal olive]

are you playing expedient build?

[median badge]

it has TD on it already

Would you recommend it? Still in the process of choosing and gearing

mainly M+ content for me

[normal olive]

Well depends, if you are going Expedient i'd say yes since the only upgrades you could get are Mythic raid or weekly chest

The other build i'm not familiar with

[median badge]

in the meantime of acquiring the gear for expedient to be worth a damn would you run TB?

[normal olive]

I'd just sim which one is better for you current gear

[median badge]

fair

thank you

[balmy condor]

man navi doing all my work

[normal olive]

It's 6 am and i just wanna sleep

[balmy condor]

that's a little too close to home man

why you gotta do me like that

[normal olive]

no u

[wraith spoke]

hey - Can anyone help me sim my char trying to see whats up

[balmy condor]

I thought you'd never ask

[wraith spoke]

lol

i warn u

[arctic walrus]

he lives for this shit dw

[balmy condor]

I'm in here a lot

I've seen a lot of shit

I doubt you can scare me

[wraith spoke]

Well trust

theres a first for everything

[balmy condor]

I've read @shrewd night's logs

[wraith spoke]

worse then corona

[balmy condor]

[shrewd night]

Did you say something?

[balmy condor]

no dad pls no mute

[wraith spoke]

lol

[prisma musk]

what should be the first rank 3 essence I buy?

for my alt

[balmy condor]

bote

[prisma musk]

bote

okay

[dull crypt]

honed mind still bis to use with all the expedients? was wondering if I should stock up on one now that its on the vendor rotation

[tropic ocean]

it will be up again before u have enough cloak res to run it so its not a rush to buy it

[dull crypt]

makes sense

[tropic ocean]

but yeah its most likely honed mind or racing pulse

[crimson palm]

Hm3 is next week

Next reset*

[quasi pewter]

huh?

[crimson palm]

On next reset we have the budget to fit it in

[main warren]

He's talking about the rotation

Oh nvm misread

[umbral rapids]

Wait how would we have the budget 🤔

[warm parcel]

Cause you obviously play at 99 corr

[tropic ocean]

xD

[warm parcel]

Or youre not a gamer

[tropic ocean]

just play 100 corruption tents

and wait for the one pull

[quasi pewter]

Yea we wont have the budget for 3 or 4 weeks

More actually

[fathom swift]

I think an is might be better to fill out the rest of your corruption tbh

[quasi pewter]

no

is bad

[fathom swift]

nah its not that bad

[warm parcel]

Or you just stop following some rando telling you to use hm3

[fathom swift]

^

[warm parcel]

And sim and use what ever corr level you wanna use

[quasi pewter]

is is good

on 2 bosses

[fathom swift]

its good on almost all bosses on stuff like dh

[quasi pewter]

are we dh

[warm parcel]

Is if you actually wanna rng your way to #1

[fathom swift]

we stack haste too 🙂

[quasi pewter]

not like dh lol

[balmy condor]

Two greens poppin in sin channel

[tropic ocean]

but dh doesnt stack haste

he gets it naturally

from trait

[quasi pewter]

but dh has alot more haste

thats why is is good

[tropic ocean]

so he can run more is

[fathom swift]

dhs mechanics are different but the point is you get tons of haste on dh and on us

[tropic ocean]

nope

[quasi pewter]

is is just not that good bro

[fathom swift]

im not saying you run like 2x 75 is obv thats not good on assa

[quasi pewter]

unless ur killing shadhar in 3-4 minutes

[tropic ocean]

on rogue u cant run is same tier as dh

cuz dh doesnt need expedient

[fathom swift]

but filling out after your expedient stack is isnt bad

[quasi pewter]

yes but expedient/honed mind will be better overall

uhm

racing

i mean

[tropic ocean]

it is

[arctic walrus]

racing bad wtf

[tropic ocean]

compared to other corruption

[fathom swift]

i disagree 🙂

[tropic ocean]

well thats fine

but youre wrong 🤷

[fathom swift]

lol ok

[balmy condor]

Can’t we just get along

#JustSimYourself

[tropic ocean]

cant sim raid understanding

[warm parcel]

Yall just run what feelsgood

Imma go with 90% crit

[tropic ocean]

34%*

[fathom swift]

cant sim inability to try new stuff either

[tropic ocean]

its not "new"

the fights where is is good are so short that unless u have insane rng u dont even get 4 or 5 stacks

and the fights that are long enough are not st

[quasi pewter]

just play full tendies every week on every boss, play like dogshit and hope that ur corruption carries you to good logs in the end

[tropic ocean]

so in both options you'd rather fill with tentacles if u want to gamble

[fathom swift]

ya i mean corruption makes logging dogshit either way

[tropic ocean]

i mean u 99 everything with just expedient build <60 corruption if u play good

and have good killtime

🤷

but is is just not worth it

this is dmg on maut

playing 120 corruption

filling with is

🤷

[warm parcel]

One t1?

[quasi pewter]

i mean on pure st i would agree is is still good

even on 3 min killtimes

[tropic ocean]

idk tent should be superior

[quasi pewter]

but thats like 2 bosses

[crimson palm]

Yea we wont have the budget for 3 or 4 weeks
@quasi pewter <79 is next reset which is what is played on 10/11 bosses

[quasi pewter]

yea

not alot of ppl play over 59 tho

so its not in budget for most people

[balmy condor]

^

[wet ruin]

IS is better on PURE st fights, so yea 2 bosses

even on 2min

[tropic ocean]

nope

[wet ruin]

sims say its better

[tropic ocean]

than tent on 2min?

[wet ruin]

than the full exp

[tropic ocean]

but we are talking about

what to fill

[quasi pewter]

tendies dont sim great

psure is will sim better

even on 2 min

[wet ruin]

yeah

obviously if you proc it like a mad man it will do more dmg

[tropic ocean]

?

wat

[wet ruin]

but on shorter fights it tends to not even proc

[tropic ocean]

idk i filled with is in last 3 reclears and it was shit all the time

1 time 4.4k dps

1 time 4.7k dps

on 2min fight

1 tent proc wouldve done more

[fathom swift]

how much is were you using

[tropic ocean]

t2

+8x expedient 3

on shadhar its okayish 9k dps cuz fight is a min longer

but even there im sure tent procs rng would do way more

[umbral rapids]

it feels so good not having rng procs

at least when i don't do damage i know i suck

[sullen pagoda]

u cant escape rng

[crimson palm]

Tendies don't scale with haste, IS does

That's why IS started appearing on shorter fights, it's simmimg better

[empty ravine]

so nnow im super confused

i thought razer coral was always better than font

[dark crag]

Font is better on short fights

[leaden spruce]

finally some rogue changes on wowhead

[fathom swift]

???

[dark crag]

No

Just a reminder what's wrong and missing from mystler

[slim estuary]

Is it possible to macro plumage to something reasonably or have I got to press another button

[shut garnet]

u can macro it to vendetta

[fast nacelle]

@quasi pewter

where are the beta channels for SL?

[shut garnet]

same place as the beta rogue legendaries, conduits, talents

[drifting cloud]

Rogue is still in alpha

[shut garnet]

and significant changes

[fast nacelle]

i can only play sub and outlaw on beta

every time i play assa to test stuff i check my buffs

if im missing my poisons bc i get 0 energy at all

[shut garnet]

if you're comparing it to rn

assa will feel a L O T slower

[lethal heart]

every haste spec will

[lapis vector]

big noob question but what prep items should i use in raids? flask, food etc

[strange python]

agility flask, food depends on gear

[lapis vector]

how do i determine which food?

[green forge]

You mostly want to use food from your highest stat from stat weight.
Unless if you already have expedient which would give you more stats by eating haste

[marble hemlock]

Just be like me and don't play expedient stack on retail

[green forge]

I presume you would stacked them if you had opportunity by actually still playin on retail Seli

[marble hemlock]

Shhhhh

[vast forum]

just be like seli and don't play the game

[crimson palm]

Just play sub no diff

[marble hemlock]

Not playing the game is great

[vestal wren]

the crit slapper build seems nice too (if you dont like exp)

[marble hemlock]

Yeah

Having 80+ crit on a regular basis feels nice

4cp mutilates for days

[lethal heart]

i'd also quit retail

if i had to play only rogue

[fast nacelle]

if sebek quits i quit aswell

current covenants feel so weird .. beside the necro one

did they say anything about when to implement legendongos

[sacred turtle]

hey guys, on how many targets is worth using FoK with 2 EB traits instead of mutilate?

[marble hemlock]

Yeah Seb, imagine only playing the game because you've become a dh Main. Not sure I'd be happy about that

[uncut schooner]

45% haste now.

:V

Getting there.

[untold mortar]

i hope sebek quits, cause i want tyra to quit

[prisma musk]

Is deadeye spyglass good?

Like overall

[lethal heart]

@fast nacelle @marble hemlock @gusty kestrel

[fast nacelle]

look at all these zoomers

[ripe gulch]

yo wtf

my other trinkets sim higher

but its telling me not to replace

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aUrVEmdkGFUJBV2cMSDAN6

[verbal sparrow]

Did anything else changed since that BIS guide ? Still go for 7x Exp3 1x Exp2 1x Honed3 ?

[umbral rapids]

@verbal sparrow sim your character ^^

[verbal sparrow]

like, im not sure about simming because I'd like to sim everything that could be under 60 and it's most likely will either just pick only expedients or apphendage :/

if you know what I mean, something could just bait the sim

[stone wagon]

Any general advice about how to proceed for casual content (heroic and lower) as a returning player? Cloak is r15 but I know corruptions are going away with prepatch and I dont want to kill myself grinding that shit just to have them go poof a week later lol.

[uncut schooner]

If you're doing content naturally you'll probably amass them p. easy.

Echoes are a grind, true. But if you're building them up naturally by playing you'll end up stockpiling a fair bit anyway.

Started this character legitimately about a month ago.

Cloak is rank 15 with 95 resis.

And I have 3 exped 3, 1 exped 2 on my gear

And another 5 exped 3 in my bank.

Just waiting on good gear to use them on.

I wouldn't even say I've been hardcore grinding.

Just playing naturally @stone wagon

[turbid frigate]

Hey guys got a few questions cuz i'm really confused. I am stacking double dose on my rogue with infinite stars and twisted appendage. To go further do i need to switch to shrouded suffocation with different talents and corruptions? The sim says that if i just switch out my gear for similar but with shrouded suffocation and change talents my dmg will decrease substantially yet i see people only using that build. Does that build only work with a lot of expedient 3? Asking only for pve. Here is my rio page https://raider.io/characters/eu/azjolnerub/Wiurkation

[tropic ocean]

assa too off meta for shadow priest dps

[plain thistle]

that question is a trap, dont answer it

[tropic ocean]

its just kinda weird that big off meta dps

cares about meta dps

🤷

[turbid frigate]

Do you recommend switching to outlaw for better dps or switching from rogue all together

[tropic ocean]

for what content

[plain thistle]

you dont switch from assa to outlaw in dungeon for the damage if thats what you meant

thats not the main reason outlaw is more popular

[turbid frigate]

Maybe let me refrase the question.I mainly want to improve my dmg in raids. To get that do i improve on my current build or stack expedient 3 and shrouded suffocation. The sim says improve current build but top assa rogues do shrouded suffocation.

[plain thistle]

your current build is infinite stars? that not a build... its a simbait

[dull crypt]

expedient bleed is more consistent and stronger

[plain thistle]

you can use in 2/3 bosses in this tier, but even there you will need RNG to do more damage than expedient with exsg

but checking your gear, not sure if you can do expedient with exsg right now

[turbid frigate]

ye that's my problem so basically i need azerite pieces with shrouded suffocation and then farm out echoes for a shitton of expedient?

it won't do much higher dmg but a lot more consistent right?

[main warren]

it's peaks won't be as high, but it has basict no valleys if that makes sense.

[plain thistle]

it will do more damage in most bosses, because infinite stars doesnt work for the majority of boss fights

[turbid frigate]

ye that explayns why my dps ranges from 40 to 80k XD

thx a lot guys will try to do that

[onyx crane]

so

[devout fiber]

Can u do horrific vissions with others?

[onyx crane]

if I cannot play exsanguinate rotation

what should I do?

how can I make it work?

[steep obsidian]

crit+ mast works ok with tb if you dont have enough exp yet

tendys is less rng then IS and works fine on multiple target bosses

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

https://tenor.com/view/puke-throwup-gif-5972459

[uncut schooner]

You can play exsanguinate rotation.

Anyone can play any rotation.

Just a case of learning it.

That's all the game is at the end of the day.

[steep obsidian]

im assuming he just means it doesnt sim well for him yet

[uncut schooner]

Commit some time.

[steep obsidian]

but maybe i assume wrong

[uncut schooner]

It does, I ran his sim yesterday.

[onyx crane]

it's more the rotation and lack some haste

I guess

but I find it weird to perform it

[wary kelp]

can anyone help me with my sim

any reason CT sims lower than poison bomb even though im almost at 70% haste

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8iXYgkanx55hVQBZBEyd3f

[normal olive]

because you have 1 twist the knive trait

[shy axle]

do you align clf and hold it or just press it on cd on raidfights?

[wary kelp]

ah ok ty navi

hopefully I can get the shoulders from the rng scam shop soon

[normal olive]

^^

[wary kelp]

ive gotten the same shoulders back to back so far

[main blaze]

I just saved and said f it to the rng

[main warren]

I got really lucky and pulled them week 1

[normal olive]

Got my Goraks on my second pull and then i only got shit

[wary kelp]

I just came back for 8.3 not too long ago so I didnt want to wait for 20k

but I probably shouldve

[main blaze]

yeah

[main warren]

i feel u. I keep pulling the same shitty chest lol

[main blaze]

If you are able to get the shoulders of Ilgy its easier to wait

[wary kelp]

the heroic ones sim less than what I have rn and I havent gotten to mythic ilgy yet

[glad smelt]

im finding rogue so much harder than any other class i play

gotta use my brain so much more xD

and just putting in lots more effort for the same output

a noob rogue's pov

[stone fable]

What other classes do you play?

[drowsy narwhal]

Anyone feel like playing wow with me? I just started and i want to get my rogue max level before shadowlands comes out

[glad smelt]

paladin and hunter

current mains at least

mainly the aoe aspect. like having to tab through/click all mobs to apply garrote and rupture

whereas paladin is just DS hunter just MS

[uncut schooner]

/use 14 is the bottom trinket spot right?

Or is it /use 15

[normal olive]

use 13 is top trinket use 14 bottom trinket

[balmy condor]

@prisma musk yes, spyglass is fine, great In dungeons especially
@verbal sparrow could just Tag me with the sim tbh if your worried about it
@wary kelp depends on kill times. It’s better to line It up as long as you aren’t going to miss a cast because of it

[lapis vector]

is it deadly or quick on mainhand? for raiding

[stone fable]

you should sim your gear, but which hand shouldn't matter, just the 2 highest. One on one hand, one on the other

[balmy condor]

Yep

As long as you don’t double up

[lapis vector]

but, inst one used on m+ aswell?

[balmy condor]

There’s diminishing returns If you use the same one

M+ you use crit/vers

With the crit build at least, if you’re running a haste build in m+ you would use crit/haste

But what Hand their on doesn’t matter

It’s the same buff regardless

[lapis vector]

okey nice ty

[balmy condor]

Could also go haste/mastery

That’s good in m+ too for a haste build

[wary kelp]

what do you mean for lining it up for kill timers

are u talking about ct vs poison

[balmy condor]

No you asked bout CLF usage

At least I think you did

Unless me dumb and tag wrong person

[wary kelp]

I think u tagged wrong guy

unless im the confused one here

it was @shy axle who asked

[balmy condor]

Lmao my bad

Yeah

You had the CT/TTK issue

Totally just boned that

[hybrid harness]

Im sure its been answered a few times but I didnt see anything in two of the guides so. With bote do I do Toxic blade -> bote -> vanish or bote ->toxic -> vanish? Or something else all together?

[wary kelp]

all good whispyr respect trying to help everyone out at once 👌

[balmy condor]

It’s my morning ritual of scrolling through chat hunting down unanswered questions xD

[normal olive]

Whispyr trying to annoy innocent people with pings

[balmy condor]

Also I would think you would Tb bote and then get 3 envenoms into the crit damage window

That just sounds better

That’s what I do in m+

[verbal sparrow]

@balmy condor
I've did a bunch of sims so there were a few results, at the full resistance cap it sims best 7x Exp3 and 1x Exp2 and then Racing Pulse, not Honed.

[lapis vector]

how do i improve my downtime on bosses where im forced to move out from melee range?

[balmy condor]

Yeah RP3 is fine

[hybrid harness]

@balmy condor no vanish?

[balmy condor]

That’s semi-normal

[hybrid harness]

for master assassin

[normal olive]

did i hear Vanish in opener?

[balmy condor]

Yeah I haven’t played master assassin in a long time I’ll look it up for you

[hybrid harness]

guides say toxic -> vanish but I havent seen a mention of where bote fits

been doing toxic -bote - vanish but since im a scrublord I wanted to confirm.

[balmy condor]

What you could do is run a quick sim of your character

And see how that uses it

[hybrid harness]

guess thats true, ill have a looksie

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna be honest tho, I don’t think I’ve ever played bote/ma

By the time I got bote subt was better

I think that’s how you would do it though

[hybrid harness]

perfectly possible since ive been blindly following guides without simming since its currently just an alt.

yeh sim does tb-bote-vanish as we figured.

[verbal sparrow]

@balmy condor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/djMBTpcVqztR6qLBRH3omX This one is I was talking about, I've tried to cap it on 80 because at the final resistance cap it will be 59 corr.

[balmy condor]

Oof shorting bit band

Unlucky

But yeah that looks fine

[verbal sparrow]

I had the one of maintenance (when you drop below 50%) that was unlucky

even more unlucky was because it was 475

But I think having Honed is better ain't it? Since you already are with 90~% haste it has like 0,5 tick rate, so why wouldn't you boost those bleeds with honed

That's why it makes me feel weird about going for RP

[balmy condor]

Because RP+exped stacking is a ridiculous amount of haste

More ticks MORE AHAHAHA

[verbal sparrow]

but... raz guide

[balmy condor]

If it sims higher, it sims higher

In this case, it’s fine

Other people have run into the same problem

[strange tundra]

How do you obtain gushing wounds? Cant find it on wowhead.

[balmy condor]

Gushing wounds is on the vendor rotation

Or drops like any other corruption

Completely rng

[strange tundra]

Thx. @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

Np friendo

[tropic ocean]

zapzapzapzapzapzapzapzapzapzap

[onyx crane]

if I have 2x ttk and 1x ss and 3x EB should I run TB or EX

[balmy condor]

in m+?

tb

in raids? probably also tb but you shouldn't use EB in raids

[onyx crane]

no on raid I have 3x ss and stat stuff

[balmy condor]

1x SS is kinda rough though for m+

not gonna lie

[onyx crane]

its that or spending a fortune reforging 😛

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[onyx crane]

pff yeh well

got no gamble residuum no more

[balmy condor]

ye, happens

[hasty vale]

Have we heard anything from blizzard yet about rogues in SL?

[normal olive]

They are getting deleted, all rogues get rerolled to dh

[balmy condor]

yeah, we heard that slice and dice is going baseline

[normal olive]

[hidden bay]

but dh is also shit

[balmy condor]

they told us maybe 2-3 months ago

[vital haven]

dude i check wowhead daily to see if there any rogue news

today i checked and i saw the words rogue state in shadowlands

[balmy condor]

did you get jebaited by mystler

[strange python]

pets > rogues

[vital haven]

i got super excited

[balmy condor]

LMAO

classic

I had like 7 people ping me about it

and I was about to lose my mind

[vital haven]

when mystler cares more about rogues than all of blizz

[balmy condor]

until I noticed what it was

and then I said hold on

!sl

[prisma monolith]

Mystlers Shadowlands Notes: http://tiny.cc/p8ljsz

[balmy condor]

we already got that

[vital haven]

"Due to the number of leather classes current in World of Warcraft, we will be deleting the rogue class in Shadowlands and giving every rogue player a max level leather class of their choice"

[balmy condor]

follow up question

can I pick a rogue

[normal olive]

"Due to Rogues being Rogues, Rogues are vanishing form WoW"

[onyx crane]

why not make DH mail instead

no so hard

[strange python]

make dh have no armor 8)

[onyx crane]

they barely have already

[honest quiver]

make monk cloth*

[onyx crane]

no no

that won't do

because then we would have 4 cloth class

[rigid eagle]

monks in leather is sorta weird tho ngl

srsly imagine one of those shaolin ppl wearing a dead animal

[onyx crane]

that is very true

but if we make DH mail we have 3 of each

but then a gain a cloth tank would be really nice

and a cloth melee dps

[royal lantern]

dh should have been mail turning dh into a leather class was 1 of the big mistakes blizzard did in legion

the biggest mistake was releasing dh

[onyx crane]

no love for DH's here

I do enjoy DH once in a while when I wanna jump on things and zoom about like a 5 year old on a sugar rush

[ebon ocean]

dh is the yasuo of wow

[onyx crane]

idk what that means

[ebon ocean]

stupid mobility braindead playstyle and overtuned since release

[royal lantern]

dh would need too actually be complex too be like yasuo

just saying

[onyx crane]

I like the emote though it's trippy

[normal olive]

[royal lantern]

dh is more like trynda when he is good

[normal olive]

spinning around like a idiot and not dying?

true

[onyx crane]

idk anything about LoL

[pale escarp]

is there a reason why every guide suggest casting garrote twice when coming out of stealth when you're playing expedient build?

[normal olive]

to get the full duration with Pandemic before using exang

That's also why you cast a 3 cp rupture to get the pandemic on the 6 cp rupture

[pale escarp]

interesting

thank you, that makes sense

[balmy condor]

Navi beating me to the question

[normal olive]

Doing your work boss

[rigid eagle]

@balmy condor and it's a question about openers too

[normal olive]

Wait yes

Forget everything i said about that

gonna look for a new one to post for refrence

[mental trout]

best trinkets to go for mythic + with exp 3 build?

[balmy condor]

Vita plumage

[mental trout]

nice i just got plumage like 4 mins ago, so thats dope. When we poppin that?

[balmy condor]

With vendetta

[mental trout]

how about on trash between bosses?

ah i guess both 2 mins huh

nvm

i need to use vendetta alot more lol i only use it on bosses =/

[balmy condor]

You could pop it on big aoe as well for the meaty CT damage

But yeah not using cds on trash is kinda yikes

[mental trout]

haha one step at a time =p

i didnt get a 19 key done though with was pretty dope

i did*

[balmy condor]

Nice nice

Which one

[mental trout]

motherlode

and a 18 jy

[balmy condor]

Ah yeah

Junkyard should be easy peasy

You can get that guy higher np

[main warren]

Would you use boon at the same time you would plume?

[balmy condor]

Yeah but it’s a 1min cd

So you would use it in between as well

Kinda janky in m+ though

[umbral rapids]

Yeah that sounds rough in m+

Except on some boss fights

[onyx crane]

do a WS 16 they say, you get a ring they say

and boy did I get ring...

now 2 ppl are naggin me for it

[normal olive]

The rings don't exist, they are a lie

[onyx crane]

I got both on 265

[umbral rapids]

265

[strange python]

that is some sick ilvl

I wish I could have 265 rings

[onyx crane]

booh

haters!

you know what I mean

[umbral rapids]

damn dude rude

[onyx crane]

/pat

I but some exp 2 on them to get a better idea

of what hast feels like

[balmy condor]

haste disappearing in pre-patch

[normal olive]

Rogue getting deleted next expac

[umbral rapids]

[onyx crane]

rogueneverdies!

this is crazy talk! kid stuff!

[umbral rapids]

Rogue missed the memo to go to shadowlands

[balmy condor]

sub and outlaw will be fine probably

[umbral rapids]

ur fine

[balmy condor]

:) thanks

[normal olive]

As long as Assa or Sub are good i'm fine

[onyx crane]

hmmm

[umbral rapids]

There’s always something meta in rogue to be fair

[onyx crane]

but I struggle too much with sub

[umbral rapids]

I never even spec’d in sub...

[onyx crane]

granted last time I tried was tomb at KJ

outlaw could be fun

i dont mind any rogue spec but Rotb is just dumb

[umbral rapids]

Raiding as outlaw is pretty sleepo

Rtb isn’t that bad in m+

Half the rolls are usable

[onyx crane]

yeah but sometime

you get just crap

and then when pack is dead you get 5

and cry

[umbral rapids]

When you get 5

Scream to your tank

PULL SOMETHING I AM GOD MODE

[onyx crane]

scream just tot and run into pack

[umbral rapids]

Fair

[onyx crane]

I also only have 1x slappy myth

so meh not big on outlaw atm

always played assa even though I only played for a few years

[umbral rapids]

I don’t have a single m slapper 😂

[onyx crane]

dabled in others

I had 2

gave one away

[umbral rapids]

I play with HC and folly

[onyx crane]

cuz 2nd wa bonusroll

it's a huge cocktease if you are in raid with 4 melee and 3 are dh and assa rogue gets slappy

[umbral rapids]

Oh wow

[onyx crane]

I guess i need to get plumag now I guess

when the ring dropped pally and warlock beggin me to give

so annoying

[uncut schooner]

@balmy condor You alive.

[balmy condor]

always

[uncut schooner]

So, good news.

I got the plumage finally.

[balmy condor]

very nice, congratz :)

[uncut schooner]

However, I feel like this sim might be a trap.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7By7HZpUdpzM6uX9CtsERv

Telling me not to use vita trinket.

[balmy condor]

no that seems normal

sims don't account for the party buff

dice is a very strong trinket

and the socket on scale is good

[uncut schooner]

And I have mixed feelings about PB over CT.

Because I find CT usually does more damage in details vs PB.

[balmy condor]

that's a false comparison

because you lose envenom damage

[strange python]

but u also lose an envenom cast everytime u use it

[uncut schooner]

Ah, I c.

So the envenom damage will outweigh CT.

Basically.

[balmy condor]

envenom + pb

[uncut schooner]

At least until I reach higher levels of haste.

[balmy condor]

correct

[strange python]

u need blood 3 aswell

[uncut schooner]

I know...

Close.

:V

Would have finished it this evening.

But I had ra'den progression.

31 wipes.

;-;

[balmy condor]

yeah blood 3 is about 1500 dps

but either way

you should wear vita/plumage for the party buff

that'll outweigh the dragonscale

[uncut schooner]

But in solo, switch to dragonscale.

?

[balmy condor]

sure

I think either is fine

vita will give you some nutty rng burst if it procs properly

dragon is very consistent

[uncut schooner]

I mean, I watched a video where someone got the gorak proc, vita and plumage.

And did like 300k dps

[balmy condor]

yeah

[uncut schooner]

Within seconds of his opener.

[balmy condor]

that'll happen

[normal olive]

with my opener that would have been 400k

change my mind

[strange python]

with the 1 cp rupture one?

[uncut schooner]

With your opener that would have been like 3k dps.

[balmy condor]

with proper crits you get some

[uncut schooner]

If your lucky

[strange python]

bc that one would be like 500k @normal olive

[normal olive]

nice

[uncut schooner]

But yeah, fine I get what you mean

[balmy condor]

MfD into full Kidney on pull for prey on the weak damage

[strange python]

ye

[uncut schooner]

Grind Bote harder.

[strange python]

is sick

[normal olive]

nah i had internal bleeding

[uncut schooner]

😓

[normal olive]

so i can exang that one

[strange python]

even smarter

navi is giga big brain

[normal olive]

i told you that people just don't understand my 400 iq openers

[balmy condor]

oh we understand it alright

[normal olive]

[onyx crane]

if vanish comes of cd I hold off xs?

[balmy condor]

you usually wait for vanish

instead of the other way around

but you want to vanish/vendetta/exsang together

[strange python]

u dont do the navi opener?

[normal olive]

People not using my openers

[strange python]

kinda rude tbh

[normal olive]

The audacity

[strange python]

Im using them everytime

[onyx crane]

I just started to dable into this build lol

[strange python]

so u want to mfd > kidney on pull

[balmy condor]

navi's openers are troll

we're just memeing

[normal olive]

Well the kidney one is

[strange python]

then poisoned knife > rupture > exsang

very good

[normal olive]

The others were actual openers

[balmy condor]

no, they all are

:P

[crimson palm]

What's a navi opener?

[normal olive]

[strange python]

wow hemo

u havent seen it?

[normal olive]

[crimson palm]

No

[uncut schooner]

Don't look.

Ffs.

[umbral rapids]

A garrote into vanish

Is a navi opener

[strange python]

Wow no

[balmy condor]

vanish garrote after exsang

[strange python]

the latest one is insane

[uncut schooner]

Not even that.

[umbral rapids]

Thay’s the classic

[crimson palm]

I'm outdated

Need a meme update

[uncut schooner]

vanish poison knife, mutilate, rupture then garrote

[strange python]

clearly

[uncut schooner]

into an exsang

then vendetta

[strange python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/736682874706591795/POOGERS.PNG

[uncut schooner]

trinket 10 secs later because he forgot

[balmy condor]

the other classic is gar gar up vanish gar

[normal olive]

[strange python]

insane opener this one

[crimson palm]

[strange python]

you should try it

[onyx crane]

wait you use

dresta

[balmy condor]

its a meme

[strange python]

yes it's bis

stop lying whispyr

[balmy condor]

stop he's learning

time for memes

is not now

[normal olive]

yeah don't tell new people that's the way to go

[balmy condor]

you're actually going to confuse him

[strange python]

So basically me and navi are memers

dont listen to us

[normal olive]

i'm saying don't use my shit to say it's good

use my shit to show people not to do that xD

[onyx crane]

well I was surpised...

[crimson palm]

Ur my second favorite guy after infexious now

[onyx crane]

cuz I might as well use kul tiran cannon

[strange python]

that one is sick too

[onyx crane]

looks better

[strange python]

that + dresta 8)

[balmy condor]

what

[uncut schooner]

@normal olive I looked at your logs

[balmy condor]

you don't use double on use?

[uncut schooner]

And I see where you're going wrong.

[balmy condor]

midas + dresta

big burst

[uncut schooner]

You should have used sprint

After Bote

[strange python]

still though navi isn't using his energy to have his melee energized

so he is missing out on damage

[normal olive]

for my legs to kick faster you are right

[onyx crane]

ah man I got a 475 mydas on april 1st

[uncut schooner]

Exactly.

[onyx crane]

can you belive that

[uncut schooner]

Faster kicks = more dps

Big brain.

[balmy condor]

I'm sorry to hear that man

[strange python]

but u want to keep all your energy too

so u can kick even faster

with all that energy

[balmy condor]

475 midas is just about the worst thing I can imagine coming out of your chest

right behind cannonball runner

[onyx crane]

i got both

[balmy condor]

and you deleted both

I hope

[strange python]

that is indeed a tragedy

[onyx crane]

I still got the cannon

[uncut schooner]

Whispyr

[onyx crane]

i just liek the cannon

[uncut schooner]

My first high chest

(47)

[balmy condor]

[onyx crane]

cannons are cool

[uncut schooner]

was a cannonball

with socket

[strange python]

wow whispyr

[uncut schooner]

[balmy condor]

:)

[strange python]

taking my profile pic like this

[uncut schooner]

Remember?

You told me to stop using it 🙂

[onyx crane]

I got a 470 spyglass

that's kinda neat

[balmy condor]

that's pog

omega-pog actually

[strange python]

@normal olive when is the my'das opener coming?

[sinful stream]

just leveled my rogue up got full timewalking gear but just rank 1 breath and rank 1 crucible, should i buy memory of lost dreams 3, or unlock memory rank 1 tomorrow and buy focusing iris 3. Havent got rank 3 blood or worldvein on warrior so i cant buy those yet

[balmy condor]

don't buy iris

if you can avoid using it

please do

its decent m+

but god I fucking hate that thing

[sinful stream]

problem is i dont have blood of enemy yet atm

[onyx crane]

lvl 4 iris looks sweet

[sinful stream]

pvp island is annoying

[crimson palm]

Iris is #1 don't listen to this guy

[balmy condor]

oh you don't have blood

yeah then iris is fine

[onyx crane]

I got sick of bgs farming blood

[strange python]

nah hemo ripple is #1

[balmy condor]

knocked it out in a week with double honor

[uncut schooner]

I'm 25k honor atm

[sinful stream]

i wouldnt mind the bg farming its just getting 2 ppl to spam pvp islands with till i win

[uncut schooner]

:v

[balmy condor]

wasn't too bad tbh

[crimson palm]

@shrewd night ban whispyr pls

[uncut schooner]

I'll do the last chunk tomorrow.

5k honor in one day

sounds doable

[balmy condor]

he'd do it hemo don't tempt him

D:

[crimson palm]

[strange python]

Im still waiting for navi to drop the ripple mydas opener

[shrewd night]

https://tenor.com/view/when-your-team-too-good-ban-salt-bae-gif-7580925

[balmy condor]

[sinful stream]

https://gyazo.com/0491c683917aec1fd5d13e5af04cabff i hate myself enough to get the honor in bg's

[balmy condor]

well then wth

farm bg's

why don't you have blood

[sinful stream]

pvp island

[balmy condor]

you don't need that

[shrewd night]

Look at the year on the achievement ya dumbo

[balmy condor]

just farm bg's

[onyx crane]

is a 470 spyglass better than a 475 humming?

[balmy condor]

yes

I would say so

[sinful stream]

what u can skip over rank 1?

[balmy condor]

you should sim yourself tho

[crimson palm]

This guy served my table in Dubai he aint that cool

[balmy condor]

I haven't done a pvp island in my life

[sinful stream]

interesting guess ill try grind some honor and see if it drops

ty

[balmy condor]

I think you need a single pvp island

for rank 1

but if you can't do a single one

[onyx crane]

yeah

[balmy condor]

yikes

[onyx crane]

1 of each

pvp island is ez

all you need to do is be better

[balmy condor]

you do the 1 of each and then spam bg's

for like 4 days

during a double honor week

[onyx crane]

it's 50% now so you can make a start

[balmy condor]

oh rip

takes 6 days then

unlucky

[hybrid harness]

isnt islands c&s?

[strange python]

nope

[balmy condor]

that's arena

[strange python]

cns is arena

[balmy condor]

island is worldvein

[hybrid harness]

mkay

[balmy condor]

but that's normal island

[sinful stream]

thats like 4 weeks of regular islands ye?

[onyx crane]

so I ahve 53% haste now

[balmy condor]

yeah

[strange python]

I mean the pvp island is probably the harder part of blood

[balmy condor]

pvp island ez though

[sinful stream]

ye its the only annoying bit cus u cant solo q pvp islands

[balmy condor]

you can pug a group

[onyx crane]

lot of ppl doing pvp for weekly

[strange python]

the day I did it there were only full sweaty russians tryharding

[balmy condor]

just set up a group finder, pug 2 clowns

[sinful stream]

ye i tried and lost like 8 in a row

[balmy condor]

and then run a couple

Y I K E S

[sinful stream]

got a bit better gear now tho so can try again

[onyx crane]

how sweaty russion were they

[strange python]

sometimes u get unlucky with matchmaking 8)

[balmy condor]

my guild mates run pvp islands and they have like a 90% win rate

[onyx crane]

were they mogged in full tracksuits spitting sunflower shells at you?

[strange python]

well khululy too sweaty

fucking heard the bass boosted music from their boat

was like boss music

scary shit

[onyx crane]

smell their vodka breaths in the wind?

[strange python]

ye

island was covered in a mist of vodka dude

[normal olive]

@strange python i'm still theorycrafting godlike openers so no worries i'll come up with something

[onyx crane]

should make next pvp food a handfull of sunflower seeds and a bottle of vodka

[strange python]

XD

[onyx crane]

when I was farming blood I did beat some russian premade groups

I play horde, and they tend to need some directions

[normal olive]

me horde me go smash

[onyx crane]

if you leave them be they just scatter to the wind

and who better to lead than a goblin rogue!

most trustworthy race/class combo

do I need to start using tempest over bomb?

[balmy condor]

if it sims higher

[onyx crane]

that's always the answer isn't 😛

[balmy condor]

I mean

[onyx crane]

except when it's cannon and dresta 😛

[balmy condor]

it's good

[onyx crane]

but I find it awkward to use in rotation

hmm it tosses galecaller in there..

[balmy condor]

yep

[sinful stream]

ayyy managed to win one, 5x twilight devastation helps

[balmy condor]

galecallers sims hella high

[onyx crane]

but i it good

[balmy condor]

yeah

as long as you stand in it when you hit exsang

[onyx crane]

hmm

that's not always ez

[balmy condor]

I mean it's also not difficult

you're telling me you can't stand in a circle for like 2-3 globals?

[onyx crane]

yes!

sometimes

[balmy condor]

that's a little problematic

[main warren]

Why do you have some compulsion where you need to move 5 yards every 1 second or something?

[balmy condor]

yeah idk bout that one chief

[onyx crane]

only when I play BM

[balmy condor]

if you can't stand in galecallers for 2-3 seconds

during your cooldowns

[main warren]

That's cuz BM will put you to sleep if you don't strafe apam

[balmy condor]

there's very little I can do

[onyx crane]

it's more that I ahve shitty timing 😛

[balmy condor]

then you found something to improve on

[main warren]

improvement

[left schooner]

guys whats better for pvp for assass?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=172849/corrupted-aspirants-badge&bonus=4802

https://www.wowhead.com/item=172846/corrupted-aspirants-medallion&bonus=4802

[balmy condor]

medallion usually

that's a sim question tho

you can just compare the 2

[left schooner]

ugh how?

could you explain how sims work

[balmy condor]

I should make a video or something XD you're not the first to ask

quick rundown in tldr form. get the addon "simc", go into game, then type /simc into your chat, copy the block that comes up, go to raidbots.com

then in this case, you would go to gear compare, and add the first trinket at the desired ilvl

then you make a second gear set with the second trinket

[fathom swift]

If you're asking for pvp should ask in #pvp

[balmy condor]

yeah

this is pve channel I assume looking for plumage replacements here

can't sim pvp

D:

very boring

[fathom swift]

Ya they just asked whats better for pvp

[balmy condor]

oh

me no read

D:

[left schooner]

Thanks anyways man! that's very helpful

[balmy condor]

I saw the big hyperlinks and kinda zoned out everything else

[devout fiber]

SWwirling sand

worth or no?

[robust light]

yea

not like it matters on that azerite tho