assassination

[drifting cloud]

6k dps

[lone junco]

these performance charts dont fuck around. its not always clear going into a tier when things are godly

still similar with the patch before that

my point was regarding the width of the spread. there is a lot of value in having a very high low value.

just stay alive and youll do better than a lot of others lol

RIP 45sec vendetta

[wooden monolith]

what pre-pot should i be using for a ST fight versus a AOE boss fight in raid?

[balmy condor]

focused resolve vs unbridled usually

[wooden monolith]

okay cool ty

[mystic osprey]

okay. I know this isn't the weakaura discord...but I have a text that triggers when I cast EXSAN. Now I want to it to go away after 15 secs like @dire spoke How do I do that?

[balmy condor]

fill this out

that's your trigger :)

[mystic osprey]

yeah. I can't get it to turn on, but can't get it to turn off. If that's the only trigger I use, then it doesn't display at all. (not a WA expert at ALL)

raid time. Will figure out later. Thanks @balmy condor

[fresh heron]

any macros or tricks to managing grand illusions?

[balmy condor]

blind or eat

legendary cloak, cloak, e a t

[fresh heron]

only options eh? fair enough. thanks

[dapper wraith]

Shadowmeld dumps it too

[vast forum]

if you press meld to drop a thing from beyond, you're inting 🙂

why waste a dps CD defensively instead of doing it the other way around

[balmy condor]

gottem

[pale tiger]

you could use a mouseover blind macro

[green basalt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[normal olive]

just eat 4 ghosts in a row

[solar latch]

E A T

[balmy condor]

I H U N G E R

[strange python]

I'm about to step into M Ra'den for the first time as Assassin. Any hot takes so I don't look like a scrub? Crimson Tempest Expedient stacking

[balmy condor]

vanish adds

juicy big dam

no navi don't vanish in opener

stop it

[normal olive]

wait i didn't even think about that, i tried to squeeze my vanish into raden

[strange python]

Holding vanish for adds will desync vendetta right? worth anyway?

[balmy condor]

we desync by 20 seconds anyway

if you do your opener properly

[strange python]

right

[normal olive]

That's a lie

[balmy condor]

the adds come out not much later

[normal olive]

not "we"

Oi Whispyr can you explain to me how the nightmare add thingy works that follows someone? that confused the shit out of me

[naive lynx]

Whyspir*

[normal olive]

[naive lynx]

[solar latch]

im a monkey accidently cleansed ranked 3 honed mind

how do i get this back

reeee

[normal olive]

[carmine latch]

Anyone else running expedient stack crimson tempest, what's ur stats lookin like

[normal olive]

31/84/39

[glad smelt]

with there being 3 guides, how can i know which one to ultimately follow? i usually try to read all the guides but if there's a good go-to one

i read the IV one but not wowhead or the class discord one yet

[carmine latch]

is that without any food buff?

[balmy condor]

the discord one is more advanced

IV and wowhead are more basic

[normal olive]

without food

[glad smelt]

okie doke

thanks

[marble hemlock]

Yeah, I haven't updated the IV Guide for the current Expedient/Deeper Stratagem build, since thats more of a high-end optimization kinda thing. So if youre looking for the current top-tier build and have access to a maxed out corruption budget/gear etc., you should check out the expedient guide from Raz @glad smelt

[carmine latch]

You can't possibly be running with loop of division, or are you?

[glad smelt]

i saw that too and i was like oop

another guide

this rogue is a newer toon. only sitting at 450 since maintaining 3 toons was a challenge

still recommend the Raz guide?

[marble hemlock]

Then the expedient build is not something you can run yet

[glad smelt]

i figured as much heh

[marble hemlock]

Its still the bis corruption, ofc

[glad smelt]

very generally is expedient best because it makes our dots tick faster?

[marble hemlock]

But the SS/CT/DS/Expedient stack you see the top-rogues play these days doesn't become significantly better than the good'ol DD/NP Vigor one until you hit a decent amount of haste

Yeah. More autoattacks, faster dot-ticks, meaning more damage from the bleeds but also more energy to use etc.

Allows to play without Vigor and still maintain a fairly high APM, and it works very well with Exsanguinate since it snapshots Haste

[glad smelt]

lol i'm still learning all the traits and whatnot, i'm having to re-learn rogue so much. last time i played one was cata

[marble hemlock]

So if your brain can handle it, I would definitely recommend familiarizing yourself with the CT/DS/Exsang build so you know what to prepare for both from a gearing perspective and gameplay one

[glad smelt]

i'll just reference the IV/wowhead ones then for now

[solar latch]

me cleansing my corruption just killed 5k dps

😭

[glad smelt]

what is CT/DS

LOL

[carmine latch]

crimson tempest, deeper stratagem

[marble hemlock]

Theres a list of abbreviations somewhere

[glad smelt]

ah yeah

i saw one too

just not sure where i saw it but no biggie

ty ty for the initial info

[carmine latch]

Anyone else tried Galecaller's Boon instead of plumage?

[idle nova]

@carmine latch

[rigid eagle]

i mean everytime gcb comes up in conversation it's the same thing right

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

hey look thats me

[idle nova]

it u

[carmine latch]

that's you 😮

[rigid eagle]

!!!

@balmy condor tbh i thought ur voice would be super UWU

????

wtf

ok actually

now that's a voice that matches

👍 👍

[glad smelt]

i only have enough echoes for 1 essence right now so for general multi-purpose...blood or beam?

[balmy condor]

blood

[glad smelt]

ty!

[steep plover]

Is there a way to see amount of stats someone has on raiderio

[balmy condor]

not directly

[normal olive]

you can go to their armory from raider io

[balmy condor]

yeah

[steep plover]

Sweet ty

[green basalt]

anyone using the redtusk ui?

[balmy condor]

dunno what that is

[green basalt]

a plugin for elvui

can't find a good WA to fit it

.<

[balmy condor]

I use my own setup soz

[dusky oxide]

hey folks, for Progging raden do you guys go to orbs?

[balmy condor]

unless the raid mega needs it, no

imo we're probably one of the worst classes on orbs

our target swap is super tragic

but if you really need the damage then you do what you have to

[normal olive]

600k dmg on orbs, had fun running to them every try

[balmy condor]

you would have to shadowstep or premove to even have a chance

[normal olive]

yeah that's what i did

[balmy condor]

kinda disgusting

[dusky oxide]

You can't possibly be running with loop of division, or are you?
@carmine latch is this bad??

[balmy condor]

loop of division is great

idk what that 's about

[dusky oxide]

unless the raid mega needs it, no
@balmy condor thank you

yeah thats what i thought... I have it and a 475 attack from behind activator

[balmy condor]

yeah that's divison

BiS

[low girder]

i swapped on the 2nd and 3rd sets on prog, but on first one absolutely not, there's way better options lol

and especially now depending on strat you may never get a third set

even on prog

[normal olive]

We ran in a circle like headless chickens in 3rd orb phase to push him into p2

[dusky oxide]

yeah that's divison
@balmy condor oh derp. i thought he was talking about the .'..then gain haste 'ring

[balmy condor]

yuh that one is overclocking XD

[normal olive]

Buying Mechagon rings, 1 donut per ring

[soft ridge]

The highlight of my pvp career. Got killed in the opener

[strange python]

That’s really how it do be some times

[lunar wave]

I know GW is nerfed, but is it still decent?

[opaque tree]

I've heard a lot of rogues are stacking it for pvp

[balmy condor]

Yeah

9x GW is still the way to go

[opaque tree]

is it the full damage when procc'd or is it like cut in half on players? Was curious

[balmy condor]

Dunno

I’m not a pvp hero

[opaque tree]

neither am I XD

[balmy condor]

I just run my crit set and play PVE in arena’s

[lunar wave]

What’s it like for pve? I want to get it for pvp, but I also want to get expedient for pve 😭

[balmy condor]

its kinda eh

[rigid eagle]

@balmy condor yo i think the game is fking imploding lol

was running a ToS and the obelisk keeps spitting ppl back out the moment we go in

[balmy condor]

u wat

[rigid eagle]

yeh, the obelisk is legit spitting ppl out

there's no other way to say it

[balmy condor]

so you go in

[rigid eagle]

yeaha

[balmy condor]

and it pushes you back out

[rigid eagle]

yup

[balmy condor]

bahaha

[rigid eagle]

tried with multiple obs, killed one boss, reset dungeon and tried again with -1 on key

still same shit

[balmy condor]

ToS dead key

[rigid eagle]

wanted to help a guildy get keystone master

[fallow otter]

I did ToS 22 lastnight, first obelisk?

[rigid eagle]

i mean i also did a few +15 runs of ToS today farming for a ring

never seen this shit

the first obs gets bugged out

and then the second one does the same shit

[fallow otter]

No one agroed the boys by chance? That pulls you out

Boss*

[rigid eagle]

we reset the dungeon after we realized the second obs was fucked

tried again on lower key and the exact same thing happened again

we couldn't have aggroed twice in a row right

[slim pebble]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fallow otter]

Weird

[hearty cave]

!sl

[prisma monolith]

Mystlers Shadowlands Notes: http://tiny.cc/p8ljsz

[balmy condor]

@dire spoke I fixed the exsang track in non-jank code

it uses your even track trigger with 15 second untrigger

and then you do this for the condition

if you exsang a garrote, it'll never be longer than 12 seconds, but if you apply, it'll never be shorter than 18

so that condition will naturally color it properly

[opaque tree]

Other than the opener, is it a dps loss if you don't get a full garrote exsang?

I mean the opener is super easy to get it in there

just wondering if you mess up on another one if the loss is substantial

[balmy condor]

not substantial

but it is a loss

[normal olive]

the opener is the most complex part there is

[strange python]

I'm not doing damage with assassin rogue :C

[balmy condor]

that's problematic

do you have logs? could probably see whats wrong

[fallow otter]

I was about to ask, do we bite

[shrewd night]

Could you do that or me too whispyr? nokappa

[balmy condor]

I don't bite too hard

[strange python]

I don't know if i have logs tbh

But i'm 467 ilvl now & i'm still only doing 40K in m+

Where do i see my logs?

I have a raidbots account

& the addon

[fathom swift]

Warcraftlogs

You need to have someone in your party upload them or upload them yourself

[balmy condor]

m+ is a different beast

can you send us a sim of your character?

[strange python]

I have learned to just stealth

& garotte everything

then put bleeds on everything

& tempest everything

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/djt2aYBHmvAJJUxVPBpqsy

[fathom swift]

You can log m+ too

[balmy condor]

don't take master poisoner

take elaborate planning

[fathom swift]

Not to parse but to see if you're making rotational mistakes

[balmy condor]

spark of inspiration is also bad

should play with lucid instead

as a minor

getting a 3rd SS trait is also pretty big

and then make sure you're getting your 3 garrotes from stealth every pull

[strange python]

lucid?

those essences are so confusing

I have to make sure my azerite traits are right

essences are right

gear is right

stat priority is right

openening is right

bleeds keep applied

Bfa is so difficult to keep up with it's crazy.

[balmy condor]

you get used to it after a while

memory of lucid dreams minor

[normal olive]

Help what is this group

[strange python]

Checking it out

Is there no rank 3?.

[balmy condor]

nah there's a rank 3

is the same unlock at 1 and 2 and 4

its just between 2 and 4

wowhead borken

[strange python]

hmm ok

[low girder]

4800 xp between your allies, i believe

is r3

[strange python]

oh no

is it in nazjatar?

Cuz I hate that place so much

[low girder]

yeah they all are

[strange python]

fuckkk

First I had to force myself through bgs to get blood of the enemy

now through nazjatar

[low girder]

it sucked, ngl

but at the time i needed flying anyway lol

also TIL if you kill mage boss in mage quarter before he teleports the portal doesn't spawn

:\

[strange python]

alright thank you

This is from last night

[arctic walrus]

uh did you forget to cast rupture and fok?

[normal olive]

14 Junkyard at 9am

[balmy condor]

????

[normal olive]

The most scuffed route i've ever seen

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor would you dm me that

[balmy condor]

ye I gotchu

[dire spoke]

what talents do I run for raid testing today

[balmy condor]

master poisoner hidden blades

big hivemind damage I promise

[dire spoke]

Lol

[balmy condor]

I unironically went master poisoner for a couple pulls

cause I was allowed to aoe pump

it was surprisingly decent

[dire spoke]

okay but Im on beta

[balmy condor]

oh

imagine having beta

[dire spoke]

I guess EP MAss makes most sense again

[balmy condor]

yeah

just play it like you would play dazar

[dire spoke]

I have 25% mastery and everything else is lower on this blue gear toon

[urban walrus]

is 4x Strikethrough 3 better than 1x Infinite Stars 3?

[balmy condor]

for what content

usually yes

[urban walrus]

m+

[balmy condor]

oh definitely

that's not even close

IS is trash in m+

[dire spoke]

If youre talking about dungeons then most likely. Your IS could hit some 3% life target

fun question

does IS target explosives?

[balmy condor]

pls no

I think it does

but pls no

[dire spoke]

lol

[fallow otter]

IS isn't in my list of possibilities when deciding gear

That's just how I roll

[normal olive]

and another 40k dps hunter

[tardy ether]

!sl

[prisma monolith]

Mystlers Shadowlands Notes: http://tiny.cc/p8ljsz

[rapid flame]

did the devs forget about rogue in shadowlands or ?

[normal olive]

Yes

Rogues are getting deleted

[balmy condor]

oh boy this conversation

[feral shuttle]

Yeah I'm looking at this now..we got no legendries to test, and no conduits right?

[normal olive]

Every day

[rapid flame]

we've got jack shit

[normal olive]

Yep

[feral shuttle]

😦 feelsbad

[normal olive]

I just hope it's not trash whenever it comes

[rapid flame]

Knowing blizzard they'll most likely just go with instant poison for all 3 specs & call it a day

[shrewd night]

Why play rogues when pet battles exist

At least those are updated

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

No rogue legendaries, no soulbinds
Blizz: look at this toad :-)

[normal olive]

[umbral rapids]

:-)

[strange python]

@strange python for rank 3 you need 4800 Exp points

for an Titel

[opaque mauve]

With us getting our stuff so late , we gotta pray it’s decent as there will be no time for tuning

[balmy condor]

ah yes, out of the box balance

blizzards speciality

[willow rapids]

don't worry, it's only beta!

[normal olive]

Betalands release 2022 now with switchable covenants!

[spice spire]

[willow rapids]

exactly, I'm sure by 9.3.5 everything will be fine and they will have learnt a lot again

[normal olive]

can't wait for the conduit vendor

[tall maple]

Any tips for getting a higher parse on drest/cara/nzoth?

[copper pier]

Hei guys can you recommend me a build please, besides the exsang one, kinda tired of it, (progging nzothm)

[normal olive]

Can i offer you a full IT meme build with 3 NP

[vast forum]

@tall maple breath major on drest, focus on debuffed tentacles

cara is mostly about boss damage

n'zoth is unreliable af, especially when your grp does so much dmg the adds die too fast

in general, on n'zoth, you wanna have as high uptime as possible, which would ideally mean killing tentacles just as the next ones are about to spawn, so you can only parse if your other dps are pretty shit

[tall maple]

Ahh Okay thanks @vast forum

[odd widget]

@copper pier This is what I have at the moment. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sYNTctJFgpUxn24fHSoiTe. Might try exsang build since tentacles die fast.

Although the Exsang build seems to be the best option based on these logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/24#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination&boss=2344 (if you're brave enough to go beyond 39 corruption :)) )

[copper pier]

thanks man

[indigo mulch]

I'm a bit sad that they havent released rogue leggys in shadowlands yet :c

[olive fjord]

Hello, could you please tell me the best mode to sim with in raidbots.com

[high siren]

you mean the fight style ?

[olive fjord]

Yes

[high siren]

depends on what you want, dungeon slice for mythic+ dungeons, patchwerk 1 target for pure ST, patchwerk 2/6 for multi, etc

[olive fjord]

Thanks!

[high siren]

might aswell change the fight length

[olive fjord]

Thanks I will consider it while doing it!

[lean marten]

i think druid leggos came out yesterday so could be soon

[night kindle]

Hey guys, question - what covenant are we learning toward?

[hallow coyote]

Are people still expecting any changes to the Rogue Covenant abilities? They seem kind of...off still

[mellow pier]

I dont expect anything tbh but rogue needs a lot of work

[plain thistle]

off? plain boring

[mellow pier]

Assassin feels so empty right now

Outlaw seems OP tuning wise but also feels boring lol

[plain thistle]

hmmm I feel like we havent lost much? since our azerite traits dont affect our gameplay much (exlcuding SS)

[hallow coyote]

not looking forward to going back to Vigor, I enjoyed being able to run Deeper Strat with all this haste

[mellow pier]

Were exactly the same as nyalotha first week

With less abilities and no azerite traits

Oh and SND

Ill have to test more but I just did WA and stuff yesterday

[fleet anchor]

Assassination without Azerite or Lucid is almost unbearably slow on beta right now lol

[crimson palm]

I rerolled to warlock

[hallow coyote]

Yeah, I'm going to miss 70% idle haste

[crimson palm]

Its horseshit

[fleet anchor]

Bone Spike is the only thing playable about Assassination atm

[hallow coyote]

I'm considering Warrior, Arms looks like it's going to be fun

[naive lynx]

You guys are breaking my little heart rn 😦

[crimson palm]

Snd needs to go away from assa

[fleet anchor]

I would feel fine about SnD if it had the energy regen component put back

[crimson palm]

Exactly

[fleet anchor]

As it is now it’s just meh

[crimson palm]

Either make it proc venom wounds or smth

Or remove it

[fleet anchor]

Outlaw mostly plays the same as live and is pretty solid. Sub still quite unfinished and buggy feeling

[humble valley]

SnD?

[naive lynx]

We still didn't get to see our legendaries, huh?

[fleet anchor]

Nope

[crimson palm]

Who plays outlaw

[fleet anchor]

I mean if nothing changes probably everyone lol

[crimson palm]

Doubt unless they are required for a boss

[warm fulcrum]

There's always feral to switch to.

[fleet anchor]

Outlaw definitely feels the most complete atm. Gains a lot from SnD compared to the other two. RtB is less annoying.

Still waiting for the fabled Rogue Design pass though lol

Maybe we will have conduits and legendaries eventually haha

[humble valley]

What is SnD?

[high siren]

slice and dice

[fleet anchor]

Slice and Dice. Attack speed buff finisher

[humble valley]

Oh right they made that baseline for all specs

[crimson palm]

They need to translate current assa build somehow

It's fkin perfect

[humble valley]

Current live build is super fun. I don't miss needing to run Vigor

[crimson palm]

Move alacrity in final row instead of hb, give us a new talent to compete with exsan

[naive lynx]

any ideas to switch to if Rogue will feel sht?

depending on which class seems to be strong rn?

[humble valley]

Beta has only been out a week. Hopefully we'll receive a tuning pass when they release out legendaries and soulbinds

[naive lynx]

😄 Right

[jade lion]

Question, i caught up from legion this week but im still short 400+ ilvl daggers and rings. Until i get the BiS, what can i get in the meantime

[naive lynx]

@strange python if the picture was for me, I didn't ask which Rogue Spec to switch to 😄

please be a little more precise with your reading skills 😗

[strange python]

is that better

[naive lynx]

I asked for empirical answer 🙂

But thanks for trying, I guess

ain't nobody can outmatch Whispyr's helpfulness

[strange python]

only people with beta can answer your question though?

And tuning will probably happen

so who knows which classes looks strong rn

[naive lynx]

i assume many people have beta already here 😄

one person said that he/she would switch to Warlock because Rogue seems slow, i was wondering about what other's would do

forget it , i guess it was a stupid question 😄

[harsh anchor]

Every class is gonna be slow. New exp, no haste

[strange python]

if u want an overview watch some videos or smth so u can see how classes look I guess?

[jade lion]

Or could someone point me to a resource where i could find useful/relevant daggers? i only know of the BiS that are posted

[strange python]

every dagger

just do dungs for gear

if u have below 400 ilvl

[harsh anchor]

TD, TOS

[humble valley]

Use droptimizer on Raidbots

[jade lion]

i need just 400+ ilvl daggers and rings

[strange python]

then every dagger

if you're concerned by stats on 400ilvl stuff, dont be

run normal dungeons, then heroic dungeons, then mythic dungeons

and world quests

and lfr

[jade lion]

Good point! Ty all

[feral shuttle]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[pure spoke]

Should I avoid the exsanguinate build if I have low haste

[main warren]

I would, yeah

[spice spire]

Yeah, it isn’t until around 60% that Exsanguinate becomes a strong option

[rain plinth]

any1 streaming raidtesting later today?

[vast forum]

beta servers are laggy af atm

#rogue-streamers is a good place to look, i might stream it if the servers don't just crash

[lean marten]

i think Moofzy is idk what he plays tho

[rain plinth]

@vast forum ty

[vast forum]

world server down atm on beta zzzz

[crimson palm]

its up, loads of ppl are playing

[vast forum]

i mean

i DCed and i tried to log in and it said world server is down

it might be login servers then

[naive lynx]

What do you guys switch up when going M+?

[vast forum]

depends on dungeon

[naive lynx]

Regarding the azerite traits, i know the 3 ss 3 eb

[vast forum]

i usually only change the number of ppl in the grp

[naive lynx]

In a dungeon where there are a lot of aoe stuff

[scenic marlin]

whats people opinions on Crit v Haste assa builds for m+?

seems like most run crit at higher keys over haste?

[naive lynx]

Yes

Crit/Vers is stronger in m+

but I've heard that Haste is doable

[scenic marlin]

i got full haste build atm, but im just tryna work out if its worth getting all the crit on wed

as i have x9 strikethrough

for outlaw

[vast forum]

it depends on dungeon and your group

if you have 2 aoe blasters in the group, going single target is usually better

[scenic marlin]

think its generally overall dmaghe we need rn

[vast forum]

for example, i play with BM hunter and fire mage and i always, in every key go for full haste expedient build

but if you want the most overall damage, you'll likely find the most success with 3ss/3eb crit>mastery=vers>haste build

[lean marten]

some dungeons have more of an "aoe" or "cleave" damage profile. haste 3xSS is great for "cleave". crit 3xEB is great for "aoe"

[scenic marlin]

normally our group is disc prriest, blood dk assa rogue hunter + something else

[ebon heath]

Mages with wildfire are also good buffing you crit during combust

[vast forum]

tbh, even in dungeons with a lot of AoE, if you have a bm hunter and a mage, your job isn't to steal their pad

it's to make bosses go fast af so the group can go back to huge pulls faster

[scenic marlin]

hmmmm

[vast forum]

there is no single right answer

3ss 3eb will do more damage, but might not make the dungeon go faster

or safer

and DEFINITELY don't run 3eb in workshop/KR

[scenic marlin]

like i find i do decent over all

but im always like 10-20k overall dps behind the others

[lean marten]

i just run the raid setup becuase its still great cleave and ST

not pushing 20+s

[scenic marlin]

Yeah

like im generally doing decent

[ebon heath]

that happens, theres no way you can beat a bm hunter

[vast forum]

i do 24s and 25s in raid setup

[fallen ivy]

Is there a place i can go see sims and peoples setups?

[vast forum]

and yea, if you ever beat a bm hunter on overall dps, your hunter is probably bad

[scenic marlin]

yeah ik

it just looks like im really bad being that much lower than the others xd

[lean marten]

u should beat them on bosses

[lyric grail]

hello need help on simming my rogue

[scenic marlin]

i generally do beat them on bossses

[lyric grail]

wanna go exang build but dont know what essences i should use or i got enough haste vor crimson temp

[ebon heath]

In my case when im runing exsanguinate haste in mythic+ im almost always 1st at bosses, depends on the fight, and if you gotta move a lot

[scenic marlin]

but depends on lenght of fight

i normally drop off and come back when vendetta is back

[ebon heath]

Im running 2 mechagon workshop rings, since im not lucky with the junkyard one

They give like 10% haste if you are full exp

[scenic marlin]

think im running 66% haste rn

[ebon heath]

IS it worth droping one for the JY with haste buff? I feel like im losing to much haste doing that..

[vast forum]

you're only gaining haste with that

or, well, not gaining

but losing MUCH less than the added crit value

[lyric grail]

so i should get 475 pieces with main stat haste & crit/mastery like what drops for me right?

[ebon heath]

this are my unbuffed stats right now

[lean marten]

use pins for general info, sim urself and run whats better

can't just make arbitrary decisions on haste %s

[lyric grail]

should i get 9x exp III?

or i dont know what to buy, got now 4x exp III and 2x twisted apend II

[scenic marlin]

i think getting upto 72% haste is generally beneficial?

[lean marten]

just read thru the first pin, answers 90% of ur questions

[crimson palm]

@fleet anchor sub is pumping on beta, we dont need anything 😄

[fleet anchor]

lol

Until they are like "whoops FW lasts too long, let's change it back down to 4s" 🤣

[crimson palm]

doubt considering they're not even touching us

xD

like 3T funnel is insane with the spikes and everything

[fleet anchor]

Well yeah

Bone Spikes is totally busted atm

For 3T basically just use Bone Spikes and auto-attack and you'll do like 90% of the same damage as if you actually do a rotation 🤣

[naive lynx]

Sorry, can someone tell me how Echoing Blades work so I can understand too?

the "For each of the first 5 critical strikes, it will ..."

This part

[fleet anchor]

It triggers on FoK initial crits

Up to 5 times maximum

[naive lynx]

but only 5 times?

[fleet anchor]

On a single cast

[naive lynx]

oh, so on 5 different targets?

[fleet anchor]

So if you FoK and it crits on 5 targets, you get 5 EB AoEs

[naive lynx]

Ohh thanks man!

I understand now 😄

[fleet anchor]

If it crits on 3 targets, you get 3

If it crits on 10 you get 5 😄

But obviously the more targets, the more likely you are to have 5 crits

[naive lynx]

Yeah 😄

sheesh that sounds so op

[strange python]

Ye you can pump big Numbers in AoE with 3eb

And very sustained as well

[naive lynx]

even with haste stack?

[strange python]

If you wanna optimize for full AoE with 3eb, severe and strikethrough with high Crit is obviously better

[naive lynx]

Yeah 😄

Does anyone have a full crit, m+ sim?

[oblique smelt]

TIL it's possible to get 4 Garrotes out of Subterfuge if you have 100%+ haste

[fleet whale]

isn't that just a lag thing that makes that possible

[oblique smelt]

That's what i thought but checked after and had 23 ms

[verbal sparrow]

Is the SS build better on N'Zoth or the second one with VoP?

[vast forum]

it's just a lag thing

your globals don't get shorter with haste

[fleet whale]

yeah, our gcd is locked to 1.0

doesn't get any faster than that

[oblique smelt]

Hm time to turn on lag switch

start playing with 300 ms for 6 garrotes

[vast forum]

it's EXTREMELY difficult to mimic in any instanced content

if at all possible

[oblique smelt]

Yea maybe the server was just lagging a bit at the time which allowed me to get the 4 out

[loud light]

I mean, garrote 1 is at t=0, garrote 2 at t=1, garrote 3 at t=2, garrote 4 at t=3 seconds, it's theoretically possible if you had actually zero latency between spells, and with spell queuing that should be possible

[oblique smelt]

it happened 1 more time in that run

[vast forum]

the only way to get 4 globals in subterfuge is to make 1 of them vendetta, because that's the only global that's hasted

@loud light that's not how it works 🙂

[oblique smelt]

It happened on packs back to back so yea maybe my ms was showing 23 but in reality the instance was a bit laggy or something, never seen it before tho

[pine notch]

what covenant are people trying out?

[silent crescent]

I mean, necro seems like the only non shit one atm until they actually release anything for us to look at and test...

Unless you like useless ability, targetting exact cp with rng cp generators, or vanishing a lot

[rancid bobcat]

kyrian doesnt seem to bad as we have a guaranteed 1cp generator

[crimson palm]

necro is op

[rancid bobcat]

at least in terms of usability

[vast forum]

kyrian just seems like the only interesting one to me

i've always wanted some incentive to not finish at max CP but to actually think about your CP from time to time

although it is likely just bad atm

[silent crescent]

Thing is if we get lots of energy like we do now, wasting gcds to get a double finusher just feels really meh

Might be good early on idk

[vast forum]

spoiler alery

alert*

we won't get lots of energy like we do now

maybe even ever

[silent crescent]

Yeah but systemsland is probably going to add a good amount of power creep as they tend to do

[rancid bobcat]

currently none of that looks aimed at raw stat gain

so it would have to be some later system they introduce

[pure spoke]

i think it's clunky and stupid, probalby won't play kyrian even if it's bis

[vast forum]

different strokes for different folks

i don't mind clunky if it adds flavour and skill

DFA was clunky and it was the best time i've had playing this game in 15 years

[worn leaf]

Hey is it ok if i like ask questions about like what i should take etc

[wary ice]

@oblique smelt it's more likely you carried over the speed increase from cathedral

If any of the g-g-g global's are affected by that buff you can get a 4th out

[main warren]

ask whatever questions you want as long as it's relevant to the spec

[clever stream]

anyone very experienced in the bleed build got a few minutes to chat?

[worn leaf]

alright well I looked at all my pieces and i seen like i have 3 double dose and 2 shrouded and 1 nothing personal 3 lying but there all 465

instead of some of my pieces being 480

and i also have overwhelming power 3

[wary ice]

That sounds like a lead up to a question that will be answered with simyoself

Not to cut you off

[worn leaf]

lol seems right to

lol

[wary ice]

But yeah generally, if you're looking to optimize damage between things simming will give a better answer to your specific set up than a generic response would

[spice spire]

When in doubt sim it out

[main warren]

my sims do some pretty cringe stuff sometimes

like telling me to run ineffable on outlaw

[wary ice]

Ineffable is good on outlaw tho :^(

Cheap af, compounds with restless blades, more blade flurry and utility usage it's just good.

[main warren]

seems overkill given how low CDs already are lol. Granted it only tells me to take it when I do like, high high corrupt

[wary ice]

I think 1 or 2 is recc'd in #outlaw

[main warren]

fr? hm maybe not so cringe

[wary ice]

I lied I thought it was pinned but it's not. Ineffable isnt terrible though at all

Especially in keys

Well probably specifically in keys but whatever not the place for it

[main warren]

Ye my b

[sick oyster]

https://gyazo.com/9d7572b0449be7cbb11a6d5dae1c04d2 any looters

[strange python]

Fuck offfff

Gz

Still waiting for my 2nd one

I got 6 or 5 dry Bonus rolls stacked now, so the next one should be loot

Gonna pray on wednesday

[vast forum]

i have 3 atm, hoping for 6 by the end of the expansion 😄

[wary ice]

Is that m?

[sick oyster]

this are 3 and 4

yeye

[wary ice]

:^((((((((

Brooooo

Share :(

[sick oyster]

trade me dude

[wary ice]

LOL I wish. My guild stopped raiding at 3/12 :smh:

[dire spoke]

where is whisp

[feral agate]

heya guys need some advice, i'm still gearing for assa spec, should i really corrup boots haste/mastery or just wait till i get better haste/crit gear oevrall ? really need advices plz : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ova4oAGmnLAkevKjpKsGyV

[steel ridge]

those boots are fine

[balmy condor]

You should get rid of the force multi, that’s not great

Corrupting 475 is generally always a good idea, as long as they have haste on them

Haste/mast is fine, haste/crit is fine, even haste/vers on a piece or two is fine

@dire spoke whats good I’m just catching up on chat

[steel ridge]

jealous of those hands

[dire spoke]

your WA confuses me, or does it not display exsa on dummies

[feral agate]

@steel ridge @balmy condor thnx guys, but yeah when i see this sim i only get +98 dps 😒 so i don't know ! what should i really change ? i'm still farming for haste corruptions

@balmy condor oh okay so what should i use other than force multi ?

[steel ridge]

i cannot tell what your current boots are like

[balmy condor]

@clever stream idk if someone chatted with you, but I chat quite a bit :P
@naive lynx I gotchu with the m+ crit sim if you give me a couple minutes
@lyric grail our ideal corrupts are 7x exped3, 1x exped2, and a HM3/RP3. We’re getting pretty close to that, so I would start planning for that
@pure spoke @spice spire Just a quick note on the exsang at low haste, exsang actually comes into the sims pretty quickly if you have the right azerite, and I’ve seen people run exsang with as low at 25%. If you got the azerite and 1-2 exped, it’s actually very doable

[steel ridge]

+12% haste should be more than just 98 dps

[balmy condor]

You should probably use deadly nav

@dire spoke you sure?

Hit it with a non-empowered in combat garrote

Should be white

Then hit exsang

Should turn orange

I think you might be confused because I don’t distinguish between subterfuge and exsang garrotes

They’re both “empowered” in my head, so the color is identical

You should be able to switch the color on I think it’s condition 5, whichever has the trigger

And that’ll give you a contrast between subt and exsang

[spice spire]

Really? I’m just now at a point where it’s a +250 over TB at 52% haste

[balmy condor]

That’s pretty unlucky

Azerite lul btw

[naive lynx]

There is our savior

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor emp is the same that's why yeah

[naive lynx]

[spice spire]

I need to sim with SS over double dose on a piece though

[balmy condor]

If you have ridiculous TB/poison azerite and not ridiculous SS/exsang azerite

You’ll be in pain to get exsang up there

Poison is in no way bad

[feral agate]

@steel ridge look at the sim i'm only simming +98 compared to what i'm wearing currently

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen with about equal azerite, 30-35% is very commonly where exsang takes over

[spice spire]

Yeah I have TtK 1, Double Dose x2, SS x 1

[balmy condor]

When you’re up in the 60% range, you start to see lucid minor dropping and CT over PB

Like that’s the stuff that you actually need haste for

[spice spire]

Good to know, thanks!

[balmy condor]

Anytime :)

[naive lynx]

I'm waiting for my order, sir

[balmy condor]

I just got out of bed xD

[naive lynx]

I'm just joking, take your time

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YyQRq7XLr36A8Z2k/#fight=22&type=damage-done this just happened

can someone end me

[fading wigeon]

Oof

[balmy condor]

Sounds like you wiped because you didn’t do enough damage man

If you would’ve done more, the boss would’ve died

[spice spire]

Tilt lmao

[eternal furnace]

Guys when would we take clf over bote for raids as major?

[balmy condor]

on shorter fights that aren't between 2:40 and 3:10 or if you want to be a cool cat

[eternal furnace]

Okay ty 😂

[lean marten]

feelsgood to be the 1 token rogue in the raid

[eternal furnace]

What minor do you take with clf?

[balmy condor]

blood

[eternal furnace]

Iris/breath/blood ?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[eternal furnace]

Ty

[tropic ocean]

rogue best

[dire spoke]

hi new to rogue whats bis essence for castle nathria

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

[hidden bay]

hi new to rogue, best covenant and legendary?

oh wait theres no legendary yet

[whole cypress]

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YyQRq7XLr36A8Z2k/#fight=22&type=damage-done this just happened
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YyQRq7XLr36A8Z2k/#fight=last i actually did it

[grave trail]

so how do i sim 2 different corruptions on same item?

for ex EXP 3 and Gushing on 485

[quasi pewter]

6 wipes

[long coyote]

Hey guys I am running the expedient crimson tempest build, but I seem to be doing rly bad on Drest agath and hivemind, any pointers i could follow on?

[crimson palm]

too many trials @quasi pewter 😦

[grave trail]

@crimson palm how does ur sim looks nowadays jc what corruptions you using

[wet ruin]

rip shadhar allstars

[strange python]

What happened?

[wet ruin]

someone procced 9 tentacles in 3 min

[strange python]

oh ye the r1 rogue 8)

[wet ruin]

ups, sorry 2 min 30

[strange python]

that kind of rng is good for the game!

[wind totem]

Anyone know why a socket has such a high difference in these 2 sims? I know aoe sims are not perfect but even this seems extreme:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7iRo5ANcgmdvwvjE1Mr5Y7
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4nhpWc7Hi58SFtbEgT8M6

[loud light]

In the first link, the dagger being compared has no gem but also has no weapon enchant

[wind totem]

a fuck

weapon enchant

im an idiot

[robust light]

Is it normal for Subterfuge + TB on ST sim higher than the usual builds. No SS either

[vast forum]

yes

[robust light]

so would that setup want more haste or crit?

[vast forum]

whatever sims better

[strange python]

yoppa do you raid test?

[robust light]

he's steaming raid tessting right now :p

click his name

[strange python]

oh

lmao

[vast forum]

first hour of testing was like 5 sec delay, 6 apm

servers seem better now

[strange python]

Nice nice

raid rooms look cool

[deep solstice]

Anyone played around with slaughter? Bone spike just sounds straight up better

[vestal wren]

bone spike is atm op

so its the go-to pick

[deep solstice]

ya it seemed that way from the tooltip. Slaughter has potential, but it would depend on the scaling

[crimson palm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/g8LAKrBTbdW4VqkF/#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=9 bone spike legit broken

[drifting cloud]

youre prolly just downscaled so much

so it does way higher %

[deep solstice]

This makes me sad:

[fleet whale]

that 18% auto attack damage

looks so delicious

[fleet anchor]

Bone Spike is definitely carrying us atm

Although to be fair, a bunch of other specs have similar or even stronger Covenant abilities so

Who knows what their target budget is for them

[deep solstice]

Ya, I mean they have to be impactful so that the choice feels like it matters.

But being the main damage over the actual class abilities is probably overtuned

[fleet anchor]

This was across our 21 pulls or so

Obviously with deaths and stuff

Mystler cheated and never got picked for a single beam mechanic

[balmy condor]

[deep solstice]

So sub is actually doing well?

[balmy condor]

mystler cheats

[fleet whale]

did any assassin rogue test blindside on the boss?

[balmy condor]

blindside still trash

[fleet anchor]

I was running Blindside

[crimson palm]

hard to compare specs when most of the dmg is done by bone spike

[fleet anchor]

It's pretty good, I don't actually think it's trash at low gear levels

[crimson palm]

koji can you link?

[fleet whale]

it really should be baseline

[balmy condor]

really? I was hearing blindside still sucks

[fleet whale]

EP on any talent row basically means it's a dead row

[balmy condor]

pretty sick that its going good

[fleet anchor]

The energy is pretty strong when we have normally like 8s of pooling time at low energy

Energy regen right now is pathetic

[fleet whale]

even if blindside is good early SL is gonna be outshined eventually

probably 32 apm without blindside

[fleet anchor]

Quite possible yeah

[fleet whale]

with blindside maybe like 38 idk

[fleet anchor]

I ran EP on the first boss but it was so laggy

It's really hard to say

My uptime on EP on our best pull on the first boss which happened to not be so terrible lag

Was only around 48%

[shut garnet]

cant wait for assa to go back to a somewhat strategical pooling shizzle

[fleet whale]

i don't think 32 apm is really ideal though

[shut garnet]

than just mashing shit off gcd like rn with zero fucks given about energy cuz ur never out of it

[fleet anchor]

So EP at 48% vs. Blindside is probably.. not that different

[fleet whale]

there is a middle ground you can hit

[shut garnet]

yea

EP was decent imo

[fleet whale]

like 40-45 apm is ideal for assassin

[shut garnet]

as in, assa felt decent in ep

[royal lantern]

ep assa was great ye

apm wise

[fleet whale]

right now energy might as well not exist

[royal lantern]

like, its somewhat funny that you have 1235155haste and can spam

but you allready notice in m+ when you dont have that anymore that you get used too endless energy and start doing stupid stuff

[fleet anchor]

But anyway

It's close enough that we'll have to sim it out

I don't think EP is a slam dunk quite at the moment

[fleet whale]

i might have to run sub early SL

[fleet anchor]

But yeah the selection for the mechanic seemed kinda biased

Half the raid only got it when everyone was dead like 1-2 times

Other half of the raid got it 9-12 times

I was in the 9-12 half lol

[deep solstice]

There's also always gonna be more inherent error in blindside anyway. Sim will generally assume you use every proc perfectly...which most people will not.

[shut garnet]

as long as we dont have to outlaw in raid

[fleet anchor]

I mean you don't have to use it perfectly though

It lasts quite a while

[balmy condor]

I don't think its that hard to use

[fleet anchor]

You just replace your next Mutilate with Ambush

[deep solstice]

Ya but if you get a second proc etc then you lose dps

[fleet anchor]

I just alt-macro'd it to the same button

[fleet whale]

you wouldn't mut if you have the proc up

[fleet anchor]

There's no way we're playing spammy/fast enough for it to be an issue imo

[deep solstice]

shouldn't*

probably*

[fleet anchor]

We can't even cast 2 Mutilates in a row half the time lol

100 Energy is a lot 😛

[deep solstice]

Ya just saying it is a small way the sim will overvalue it

[fleet whale]

blindside isn't going to some complex talent

[royal lantern]

you will handle blindside procs just like you handle mutilate

sooooo....how is it going too be complex lol

[fleet whale]

the procs were easy to handle in MoP and WoD

it's going to be easy in SL

[royal lantern]

3 or less cp->mut or the blindside proc, 4 or 5 finisher

[balmy condor]

its really not that hard

[deep solstice]

I am not saying it is hard, just that it has more potential for human error than EP uptime. Would messing up a proc even change the dps that much? probably not, so probably a moot point anyway

[royal lantern]

like,ye how koji said, you can actually just macro it with mutilate

[fleet whale]

you probably aren't going to have enough energy to press back to back mutilates

[wild lion]

wasnt there a trick with shroud on the last boss of temple`?

[balmy condor]

yeah

you shroud the boss

and the adds can walk into your tank

[fleet whale]

oh another you can do with a blindside proc

4 cps with proc up, but garrote off cd and duration running low

garrote to 5, finisher, ambush proc

but still no different than using a mutilate

[fleet anchor]

I don't really think there is any more error in overvaluing it

In fact, SimC actually accounts for delayed reaction on procs

By implementing a gauss delay on "react" flag procs

Equal to stddev of world latency

[balmy condor]

sounds like nerd shit

[fleet anchor]

So it does not presume you know about procs instantly that are flagged as requiring reaction

[deep solstice]

Ya that's fair, I was more getting at the eventuality of say, getting involved in a mechanic and accidentally overwriting a proc with another proc, etc....Like actually rotational errors. But Like I posited earlier, 1 or 2 wasted procs probably doesnt change the overall dps much anyway.

[fleet anchor]

Overall it's hard to say where we sit because Bone Spike is kinda OP right now

Then again we didn't have legendaries

So how the damage will shake out is anybody's guess

My only complaint is that when I wasn't playing Blindside, the pace of Assassination was so miserably slow it was hard to really feel good about it

[burnt drum]

is toxic blade not in shadowlands?

sorry if im late to the party here

[warm parcel]

renamed for now

[burnt drum]

Ahhh thanks for this @warm parcel

[naive lynx]

and it's not a talent anymore, everyone has it

every rogue spec, it's baseline

[unreal kayak]

does anyone here know i can enter torghast

[balmy condor]

idk if torghast is open atm

would be nice to have beta

[normal olive]

Just woke up did rogues get something on beta?

[balmy condor]

not really

[devout fiber]

Is assa btr for dungeons

at 120?

[balmy condor]

outlaw usually the go-to

[normal olive]

[devout fiber]

Well for me

it's either assaa

or sub

I never touched Outlaw

[balmy condor]

Then sin

Sub is dead until next expac

[gentle jewel]

Wuts up rogue fam, i could use some wisdom. really need help. just put this together with what i have. Can anyone recommend me a good Weak Aura to use with this build? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bH3QaY3s4zknL1ooHbVGZB

[balmy condor]

@gentle jewel if you're looking for wa, you can use this

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

why are we simming for 90 seconds?

[night cypress]

Everyone in raid is 490ilvl boss melts

Realistic sims

[balmy condor]

90 seconds isn't very realistic imo

[gentle jewel]

What's the best time?

[balmy condor]

completely depends on your raid

[night cypress]

5 is the standard I think

Default, I should say

[balmy condor]

yeah 5 is standard

and if your raid is fast, you can do 3

[gentle jewel]

I'm looking for a raid atm. i'm not in a raiding guild. i'm trying to get in one.

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't really go under 3 unless you super know what you're doing

[gentle jewel]

I want to master this before i even try

3 minutes it is. i'll resim that.

[night cypress]

I use mizeroks weak auras and quite like them

Haven't tried the others though

[normal olive]

Even while fucking up big parts you can go mythic raid

[gentle jewel]

I don't want to make a mistake XD

I try to leave the suck at the login screen

But shit happens. sometimes its unavoidable

[balmy condor]

thats what we all try to do :)

practice on the bosses is honestly the biggest thing

[normal olive]

Nah you guys do that i'll do my thing

[night cypress]

How close to the sim is your actual gear?

[gentle jewel]

I just want to try my hardest to put this rogue above all the others dmg wise. the same thing we all want to do

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean you're on your way

[gentle jewel]

been playing this build for about 40 minutes on the dummy trying to get the opener correct and the flow of not letting dots drop

[normal olive]

Need some help with your opener?

[gentle jewel]

yes

[balmy condor]

not from him lmao

but feel free to ask away any questions

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

navi's openers are 9000 iq

[gentle jewel]

i wrote it down from the guide. garrote rup garrote trinket / vend mut ct mut mut rup exang bote

[night cypress]

The pinned ruski guide has a good opener diagram

[balmy condor]

you only do the mut CT if you land on 5 after the mut

[normal olive]

you only ct if you land on 5 cp

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4WmJVLUfwooKHQAG7mNpMi

also free damage

[normal olive]

Mechagon rings

[gentle jewel]

didn't know gale callers was more dmg. i just hope i get to stand still ><

[normal olive]

It's great for snapshotting exang

[balmy condor]

yeah you don't have to stand in it for full effect

as long as you stand in it while you hit exsang

[gentle jewel]

Macro it with vendetta?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

just remember its a 1min cd

[normal olive]

Galecaller has a 1 minute cd, just gotta remember to press it

[balmy condor]

you have masterful on your offhand

that's the part that's easy

[gentle jewel]

do i use exang on cd? or do i want to line it up with vend / trinket?

[balmy condor]

you use it in opener, then on cd twice

and then line up with vendetta

[normal olive]

I sometimes have to wait for exang when i do legendary openers

[gentle jewel]

going to practice on them dummies for the next couple hours. thanks yall

really appreciate it the help <3<3<3<3

[balmy condor]

anytime :) feel free to send me questions

[normal olive]

allways tabbing into the wrong window to write

Any tips on which keys i could use for keybinds other then q and e

[balmy condor]

r, g, f

[gentle jewel]

` next to the one button

[balmy condor]

v

t is good, h maybe

[normal olive]

Guess i need to look at all the keybinds and change everything up

Are you using the normal a and d settings or are you using the strive thingy on them

[vast forum]

`, q, e, r, t, f, g, z, x, c, v and any extra mouse buttons are good imo

[normal olive]

i guess the ` is next to the 1 for you guys?

[balmy condor]

yes

[gentle jewel]

unbridled fury pots still good? what's the other pot?

[normal olive]

that's my push to talk button oof

[balmy condor]

I have my ptt on a mouse button

hit it with my thumb

[gentle jewel]

going to guess haste food as well?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[normal olive]

That's what i have auto run on ^^

[balmy condor]

auto run

I have that on like numpad 6 or something

never use it

[normal olive]

i allways use it xD

But i'll try to change up keybinds to the stuff you guys suggested maybe i'll stop pressing wrong stuff then

[gentle jewel]

After the first empowered garrote wears off, vanish and reapply it? and continue on?

[balmy condor]

yeah

[normal olive]

yeah vanish garrote

[low girder]

try to have combo points going in so you can garr -> finisher -> garr again

[normal olive]

Well that anwsered my question i just wanted to ask ty ^^

[low girder]

just don't override the rupture, it'll still be going

[balmy condor]

ye

sometimes I'll let the garrote drop for a global so I can mut

into vanish gar env gar

[low girder]

it's fun when you know 4s before it happens that you'll have to

lol

[balmy condor]

depends on the crit rng

fkin sucks XD

[low girder]

welp there's 3s on that garrote and i have zero CPs, fml

[balmy condor]

you fire off an envenom and then get 4 cp on the next mut

and you're like

god damnit

[normal olive]

Had a opener where i hit 5 cp -> CT -> Mut -> Mut -> Mut and allways got 2 cp

[balmy condor]

yeah

that'll happen

mega unluck

[normal olive]

Feels so weird

[balmy condor]

3 mutilates is definitely awkward

[low girder]

at least we have the haste now

[normal olive]

Atleast i can hit 34% crit whenever i want

[low girder]

i have 31 lol

[balmy condor]

34% crit and the opener IQ even simulationcraft can't understand

[low girder]

feels real low sometimes

[balmy condor]

he's unstoppable

[normal olive]

i have 32 with the hands i'm using, when i need to drop some corruption i hit 34 crit with the ones that aren't corrupted

[low girder]

my vers is mega low so sims want me running wrathion pants + hivemind gloves

also no conflict because i'm lazy

[normal olive]

i have 2% vers because of HoD

[low girder]

it'll probably want me to swap gloves in a bit, wanted to get the socket on the new 475 plumage first

[normal olive]

I'll need to get the mechagon rings
Guess that will never happen

[balmy condor]

more farm

[normal olive]

I can only run so much m+ before i just wanna uninstall wow

[balmy condor]

more farm

m+ is the only good thing this patch XD

[normal olive]

I'm so bored running the same dungone over and over again

Didn't like m+ when it came out and still don't like it

[balmy condor]

but not the same raid over and over

[normal olive]

I like raids

I'm only clearing the raid once a week

not doing the same raid 5 times a day

[low girder]

raids have friends, pugging sucks

[balmy condor]

I run my keys with friends