assassination

[normal olive]

[bleak spoke]

did they make you trade them

or were you unable

[crimson palm]

no

this was back in jan/feb

think first week or so

[bleak spoke]

oh

wild drop then

[crimson palm]

then had nothing for like a month

and then exp started raining

[steep obsidian]

@orchid yew depends on what you are assigned to I guess? Sin rogue only shines on boss dam in n'zoth tbh expe build with exsang is really good for those first 2 burst windows

most shit upstairs dies too quick for you to do much and sin kinda blows on synapse dam downstairs, pychus dam is normally carried by like 1 mage in most strats

[balmy condor]

chat moving too fast I missed question

[normal olive]

Why are chicken nuggets green was the question

[steep obsidian]

yeah im suprised mods hvent gotten mad at us for just banter but i don't think we missed anything

[balmy condor]

mods can't get mad if the mods are the one bantering

[normal olive]

[orchid yew]

@steep obsidian https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/dalaran/Saucìsson this is my build. I was upstairs first time but I guess they will put me down this time

[fleet anchor]

Whispyr is back to red name so he can answer the questions

[normal olive]

missing 34% crit might aswell reroll

[orchid yew]

So basically, sin role is to burst psychus and nzoth. Just crying on adds tho ?

[balmy condor]

I'm back to red name because koffing won't notice

yeah

we suck at target swap

[crimson palm]

controlling the psychophages is your job

if you're down

[balmy condor]

our job is pumpy pumpy and control

[crimson palm]

baits & constant slow

[balmy condor]

yuh

[crimson palm]

keep psychus dotted up

and throw some envenoms here and there

[steep obsidian]

vendettaing psyhcus seems like a huge waste

[orchid yew]

Yea I have to keep it for Nzoth

[crimson palm]

you can carry psychus1 alone on progress

30-35 mil dmg with cds

[steep obsidian]

you can

like with 7 to 9 stacks you can do some insane burst

[crimson palm]

if you can get him to 7 stacks and still use cds on him

you dont need cds

progress is like 5-6 tendies dead at 2:20

[steep obsidian]

but maxing dam doesn't really matter on psychus at all

in fact kiling it too fast isnt good

[orchid yew]

Ok

[steep obsidian]

you want enough dam to push at the time before next set of tentacles spawns upstairs

but not so much that they havent cleaned up

if poss

[orchid yew]

Alright, seems clear to me for this phase

[crimson palm]

p2 you just need to get the immunity vendetta right

rest is reactive/assignments

you need to have a fresh garrote on nzoth and use garrote x3 on thot harvesters/nzoth while immuning the anguish and the explosion

[steep obsidian]

i don't even have to loook at throught harvesters in my group lol most sets are just killed by mage ignites but yeah you might have to do that

and of course its more dam

but tbh if you just starting you will probabl have a night or 2 wiping before both teams can reliable get downtairs done

[orchid yew]

Alrighty, thanks for your time. I guess I need to tryhard now. Will be back there if any other questions 🙂

Actually we went P2 first time

first tries*

[steep obsidian]

pro

[crimson palm]

it's pretty easy now with the scaling

[steep obsidian]

watching a few pov videos might help ya

[orchid yew]

Yea, apparently it's not common

[steep obsidian]

its very scripted though so once you figure it out you just keep doing the same thing

[orchid yew]

Yea that's what it's said

[crimson palm]

oh and run elusiveness

[orchid yew]

Average guilds succeed generally after how many tries ?

Ok I will @crimson palm

But according to logs, only 2% use it ?

They are more on cheat death (96%)

[crimson palm]

on progress it's better

[orchid yew]

Ok

[crimson palm]

i personally use cd if i get fucked with tftb overlap

[orchid yew]

Yea I see

Thanks again, see you around !

[hidden lynx]

I've been looking at the guides for an answer but can't seem to find one -- sorry if I've missed it. I'm picking up rogue for the first time in a couple of expansions for guild M+, have no gearing yet, is it feasible to play sin, or should I be outlaw until I have solid gearing?

[balmy condor]

sin is fine

you'll probably have to go some DD traits early and run TB

but once you get a couple exped under your belt and a bit of gear, exsang and 3 SS is perfectly fine

and you can hop back onto the current patch guides

[hidden lynx]

Right, lovely, thank you ^^

[balmy condor]

anytime

[tropic ocean]

@balmy condor MADE IT \o/

defeated skitra

!!!

[fleet anchor]

Post-buff Skitra?!

[tropic ocean]

yeees

[normal olive]

Where are your bars to click on

[fleet anchor]

Last night everyone was like "wtf are these things that spawn that kill us"

[tropic ocean]

i use text to speech for input commands @normal olive

[normal olive]

[tropic ocean]

siri activate exsanguinate

wrong channel sry

[balmy condor]

our skitra kill last night was 20% slower

and we were like

wow we suck

but we didn't notice until we cleared to drest

[fleet anchor]

lol yeah same

[balmy condor]

until I was like hold on skitra is really tanky

[fleet anchor]

Actually think it's maybe better for Vendetta cooldown timing now 😛

Was getting to be a little awkward kill time

[opal minnow]

was like the legit worst kill times

[mortal basin]

Better to spread Garrotes on Hivemind opener or Cleave with the Vanish Garrotes after opener?

[balmy condor]

both

[mortal basin]

Chill

[balmy condor]

no but like actually

if you can put up empowered garrotes on multiple targets

do it

its huge

[mortal basin]

Ofc

But like

Single Garrote both with a Rup

[balmy condor]

no

[mortal basin]

Or Double Garrote for duration or 1 and single other

[balmy condor]

you would gar1 gar2 gar1

[mortal basin]

Gotcha

cheers

[balmy condor]

np

[strange python]

What'd they change with Skitra?

[balmy condor]

40% health

increase

[spice spire]

40% more Health on mythic

[strange python]

When?

[balmy condor]

reset

[spice spire]

Because she was easiest boss by far

[balmy condor]

literally yesterday

[strange python]

Oh shit

Was wondering why it seemed slower

Thought it was just cuz our noob mage used lust at start

[opal minnow]

people didnt lust at pull?

[strange python]

we've always just done it for the last transition shrug

we're a noob guild so just doing the recommended strats for now

[balmy condor]

Yeah lust on end is fine honestly

No all star point from Skitra

Who cares

Play it safe if you’re a nub guild

What you gonna do, complain that you’re parsing high purple instead of low orange?

Spooky

[strange python]

i always complain about my purple parses tbh

[fleet anchor]

99 or bust

[ripe gulch]

can a top logger post the opener here

of exsang

or link me plz

[balmy condor]

https://www.ravenholdt.net/guides/assassination-exsanguinate/

[ripe gulch]

i feel like im doing something wrong

[civic palm]

Just find a log on WCL with a similar kill-time and the right build > _>

[balmy condor]

that works too

[ripe gulch]

ty

[strange python]

I always get confused on the opener based on cp cuz i r dum

i hit 6 cp and it's like the end of the world to me idk why

[balmy condor]

you can just 6cp every time and rupture

the CT thing isn't too big

[strange python]

maybe i'll just do that

[ripe gulch]

is opener 1 worth doing?

[strange python]

if ur dum like me then no

if you're good then yes

[ripe gulch]

just ct then mutilate til 6 and rupture

instead of rupturing off the bat

[balmy condor]

its better if you're at 5cp after the vendetta mut

[strange python]

depends on how many cp you get from the first mut

[balmy condor]

if you can just 6cp

and its fine

[strange python]

omfg

i've been doing it backwards this whole time

[balmy condor]

[strange python]

idk why i had in my head first mut = 6 cp = CT

i fucking suck

[balmy condor]

yeah that's pretty small brain

[strange python]

[tidal flame]

Must have trait/essence/corrupt for assass rogue and whats the stats priority ? Noob 450 rogue here trying to learn pvp

[balmy condor]

pvp is 9x gushing mast/vers

[tidal flame]

Aight and whats the must have trait for gear ? Im using azeritepowerweight but not sure its for pvp

[balmy condor]

azeritepowerweights is kinda troll

SS is good everywhere

[tidal flame]

Ss?

[balmy condor]

shrouded

[tidal flame]

Thats another addon?

[balmy condor]

the garrote trait

[tidal flame]

Oh ok

[balmy condor]

ttk for pvp is also good, that's the envenom trait

[tidal flame]

Stack more than one or one is fine

[balmy condor]

you can stack

[tidal flame]

What about nothing personal ? Vendetta trait ?

Good or not , can/worth stacking ?

[strange python]

Can that be cleansed?

another cara kill

another week without a 2nd dagger

at this point i probably will actually socket my 475 one

feeels bad

[plain thistle]

I already gave up on trying to get a second dagger

already used expedient on my 470 one

[strange python]

what hurts extra bad is the fact that our 2nd rogue wasnt there today

i feel i wouldve gotten traded one if he was here ):

[balmy condor]

NP is fine

not work stacking

[vital haven]

this game is unplayable right now

[strange python]

whys that

[vital haven]

mouse bug

[balmy condor]

its only happened like once

[little root]

ive noticed it a few times

[strange python]

your mouse getting stuck?

have that as well all the time

since today

same

thought my mouse was breaking

ye, was my initial thought as well

fucked sensor

[lost horizon]

it's super scuffed

[raven locust]

Theres a script to fix it

Unfortunately I dont have it atm, could google it im sure

[sullen pagoda]

if u mean

rawmouseenable0

[vital haven]

rawmouseenable

[sullen pagoda]

that shit makes it stutter

[vital haven]

it just gives you another problem

[raven locust]

Doesnt it only do that for logitech mice?

I have a razer with zero issues since using the script

[sullen pagoda]

they cant even make their game work with a mouse and they want to balance covenants to 1% difference

[raven locust]

eh unrelated issues, different teams too

[sullen pagoda]

ofc its unrelated and different teams

not like balance team showed us any different

[raven locust]

With how the covenants work they wont even come close to a 5% mark

Good luck balancing Bone Spike with Sepsis in M+

[sullen pagoda]

its ok when they ruin the game completely we can finally stop playing it

when it dies

[raven locust]

lol

I dont want that though ):

They will eventually cave after a patch or two and allow us 2 or more Covenants

They know they're in the wrong but refuse to admit it till the sub numbers make it obvious

[sullen pagoda]

ye its story of every expansion

[raven locust]

if they dont change the covenant at least we have a clear winner, I feel bad for other classes

[mellow pier]

Sub numbers dont matter anymore

Its all about MAU

[spark pike]

iis vita+ void good when gboth equipped or plumage + vita best ?

[balmy condor]

void sucks

vita + plume

[spark pike]

ok ty

[mellow pier]

pvp trinket is an option as well

[raven locust]

Galecaller is also good

[mellow pier]

Yeah but meh on a lot of fights

[raven locust]

exsang snapshots so it's good even if you only get a second or two to stand in it

[mellow pier]

U still lose a lot by not using it on cd

And missing uses

Plume is just macro to vendetta and forget about it

[balmy condor]

you don't lose that much

[errant delta]

I burst around 180 ish with galcalers most of the time but some times i burst 250 ish and i dont know why running 2 hod garok dd and vend 1 and mech rings any ideas what procs to get me that high?

[balmy condor]

vita

etc

[mellow pier]

If u dont get 100% uptime on GCB u might as well use plume is all

[balmy condor]

that's just not true

[mellow pier]

U always get 100% usage on plume

[balmy condor]

a majority of GCB's gain is hitting it before exsang

the inbetween casts aren't that great

you don't need to stand in it for the full duration every time for it to do better than plumage

[mellow pier]

Sim it using every 2mins i bet it changes the sim dps a lot lol

U would lose 1 to 2 casts on a fight pretty pepega

Its not bad on some fights dont get me wrong

Just not ideal for every fight where plume is good on all

And 470 pvp trinket is obtainable for a lot of pple

[balmy condor]

you can use gcb on basically every fight and be completely fine

[lean marten]

xang burst is such a huge % of our dmg thats why GCB works fine like that

[strange python]

Someone was talking about mouse issues. Have you tried turning off the background fps cap?

That seemed to fix my mouse problems

[mellow pier]

Theres a console command to fix it

/console rawMouseEnable 0

[lost horizon]

nah with console command a lot of people experience a different issue

[pastel adder]

Hey Guys, i have 4 trinkets to choose from
460 - Dead-eye Spyglass, 460 Harlan's loaded dice, 460 Humming Blackdragon Scale & a 470 Galecaller's boon. What 2 should i pick?
I tend to do M+, so Galecallers although it gives a big dps increase, it's such a small zone for a melee dps

[balmy condor]

for m+ you would do spy/harlan

[pastel adder]

Thank you 🙂 For raiding I assume Galecallers cause I know when i can stand still for period of times and then maybe dead-eye?

[balmy condor]

yeah

if you're going a crit build definitely spyglass

vita would be ideal

[opaque sparrow]

Hello I wanted to ask after reading the google doc guide about the exsanguinate builld if golden plumage or galecallers boon is the go-to choice ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[tropic ocean]

XD

hahahahah

should i use galecallers or plumage

yes

[balmy condor]

its true

[tropic ocean]

[balmy condor]

galecallers slightly better

but if you want to use plumage that's fine

[opaque sparrow]

Thanks for responding to my answer ! 🙂

[pastel adder]

Thanks for the help 🙂

[balmy condor]

np

[devout fiber]

Just downloaded a 200mb update

Any idea on what it was?

[balmy condor]

yeah, that was the reset patch

its background stuff

in prep for pre-patch

nothing huge

[devout fiber]

Ah alright

When exactly is shadowlands coming out?

[balmy condor]

best estimate atm is early november

we don't have a date

[devout fiber]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

anytime :)

[plain thistle]

hopefully we will have legendaries by then 😂

[royal lantern]

nah, SL just launches without rogue legendarys or counduits

[tropic ocean]

200mb of pure rogue buffs

[balmy condor]

oh boy new beta build

lets see what they did about rogues

oh

wait

paladins get 9 new conduits tho

[unreal imp]

Rogues are so perfect they don't need to be tested 🙃

[raven locust]

I don't understand why its taking them so long

[somber fractal]

so let me get this straight. we are now the only class without legendaries, conduits, and most of our anima powers are missing. On top of all that sub and outlaw still have missing talents

what in gods name is going on

[balmy condor]

they're not developing rogues

[silent crescent]

@somber fractal bruh i was about to say the same thing word for word

[balmy condor]

9.0 patch notes, rogue class removed from game

[vital haven]

bruh it aint even a meme anymore wtf

[raven locust]

They better be some damn good conduits and legendaries

[balmy condor]

legendary wrists, boots

and you get some haste

sorry no time for development

[raven locust]

I'd like to see the legendary wrists return

[somber fractal]

i want a shrouded suffocation legendary

[thin cargo]

Was it the hat that did something for vendetta?

[raven locust]

no that was kingsbane

[balmy condor]

we demand agonizing poison back blizzard!

[raven locust]

Boots reduced the CD On vendetta

[balmy condor]

give us agonizing poison!

[steel ridge]

We could just keep our HoA, huehue

[normal olive]

Got Hive and Raden mythic

[balmy condor]

[normal olive]

5 bosses no loot

[balmy condor]

5 bosses no good openers

[normal olive]

On kills i managed to do it right

Scuffed parses tho since i had no idea what i was doing

[balmy condor]

wrong openers cause wipes

[normal olive]

actually no

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VWzt2FYQ1BnN4CGa

[plain thistle]

[balmy condor]

holy shit

he's doing it

[normal olive]

15 tries and the second orb phase was the problem

[balmy condor]

oh

I found one

[raven locust]

Whats with the crimson tempests before refreshing rupture and Exsang

[balmy condor]

he's hitting 5cp

that's fine

[normal olive]

yeah that one i fucked up

[tropic ocean]

noice vanish

[normal olive]

might have clicked the wrong spell

[tropic ocean]

why 2 mutilate after rupture tho

[raven locust]

First ever feet only Wrathion kill by a Rogue

[tropic ocean]

:^)

[normal olive]

good question

[raven locust]

How long have you been playing Exsanguinate?

[normal olive]

Had to switch to vita orb on second orb phase because it allways went through

dunno like a month?

[raven locust]

😬

[balmy condor]

dude

aside from 2 garrote opening on hivemind

only 1 wrong opener

that's huge

[normal olive]

need to work on hive and raden because i felt lost af since it was my first time mythic ^^

[balmy condor]

yeah the hive thing I assume you just flustered

but like

only 1 wrong opener in 18 pulls

[raven locust]

Do you have your Plumage macro'd with Vendetta?

[normal olive]

yeah i don't mean the opener, i mean the whole fight

yeah

[raven locust]

Looks like its getting pressed independently

[balmy condor]

looks pretty same time to me

[raven locust]

Was looking at Maut and another where it's a little over a half second apart

[normal olive]

Nah i have it on a macro

[raven locust]

🤷‍♂️

[balmy condor]

maut is 200 mili apart

[normal olive]

Well i'm just happy that i got 5/12 now

[raven locust]

ah nvm (:

You should farm for the Mechagon rings

Some easy dps gains

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

wow navi

where have we heard that before

[normal olive]

[raven locust]

150 haste with Expedient is a lot

Like 4.5 free sockets

[balmy condor]

the joke is I've been telling him that for literally weeks

150 haste is actually equal to 3 sockets

[normal olive]

mafs

[raven locust]

add the expedients in

[balmy condor]

and don't add them to the sockets

mafs

[normal olive]

Getting the Recursion one 4 times in 8 runs feels good

[balmy condor]

150 haste + exped is in fact equal to 150 haste + exped

recursion is fine tbh

[raven locust]

Thats like 296 haste though

what am I missing

[balmy condor]

you're missing that 3 sockets is 150 haste

[raven locust]

296 haste is not though

🤔

[balmy condor]

you said 150 haste from ring

[normal olive]

wtf is that emoji

[balmy condor]

is 4.5 sockets

3 sockets is 150 haste

[raven locust]

you can reread what I said

150 with expedients is a lot, like 4.5 sockets

[balmy condor]

bruh

[raven locust]

It's ok

[balmy condor]

do you not think exped applies to sockets?

[normal olive]

The boss dropped 4 vitas

[raven locust]

I think you're confusing yourself

[balmy condor]

okay

[raven locust]

and definitely overthinking what I said

[normal olive]

4 fist weapons

[balmy condor]

I'll go through it slowly

150 haste from the ring yeah?

[raven locust]

I know what you're trying to say but it's just unrelated

[rich dawn]

hey guys for visions

[raven locust]

150+8 expedients = 296 which is almost 6 scoekts

[rich dawn]

what last row talent do u recomend

[balmy condor]

B R U H

[raven locust]

It's just a fact

Cant debate it

Math doesnt care about your feelings

UwU

[strange python]

6 sockets x expedients = 25634 sockets

[raven locust]

This man gets it

[normal olive]

mafs

[balmy condor]

I'm tilted towers out here dude

@rich dawn CT is fine

[raven locust]

Confused people usually get angry before they understand

[strange python]

u dont like having 100 free sockets from expedients?

8))

[balmy condor]

no I get it

you're trolling

haha funny meme

but like

god damn man

don't do me like that

[raven locust]

So stating facts is trolling

Got it

[balmy condor]

bruh okay now I'm actually mad

3 sockets is 150 haste
1 ring is 150 haste

[raven locust]

I can almost sense the anger with that slight delay before you started typing

[balmy condor]

the exped is irrelevant

[raven locust]

Why is it irrelevant when I mentioned it in my comment

You ok?

You can't just say it doesn't matter when I explicitly said expedients

[balmy condor]

I don't know if you're trying to make me mad at this point

like I actually can't tell

[raven locust]

You're just confusing yourself

[balmy condor]

okay how many sockets is 200 haste

[raven locust]

150 haste is 3 sockets, duh. Why are you mentioning this

150+8 expedients = nearly 6 sockets

We clear?

[balmy condor]

no we're not

we're not clear

maybe a different example

how many sockets is 200 haste

[drifting cloud]

thats such a dumb way to think about it

[raven locust]

4, it's not relevant

[drifting cloud]

when people dont even sim highest with full haste sockets

[balmy condor]

ADSJFKLJAGE

[drifting cloud]

but gratz

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna blow my fucking brains out

[raven locust]

Ryler the man in question is using full haste and expedients

[balmy condor]

you have to say if you're trying to troll

its the rules

I can't take it anymore

[raven locust]

Why do you think i'm trolling

Are you ok?

[balmy condor]

because for some reason you're multiplying the haste from the ring

but not the haste from the fucking sockets

and its making me insane

[raven locust]

I think you need some coffee and Enya

[balmy condor]

okay let me try and get this straight

haste proc on ring gives 150 haste

thats 4.5 sockets or whatever

[raven locust]

3 sockets

[balmy condor]

......

[normal olive]

[raven locust]

You didn't include Expedients

150 haste is 3 sockets

[balmy condor]

okay

lets say

I have 100% worth of expeds

[normal olive]

how much is 50 haste + 8 exp?

[balmy condor]

navi stop

hold on

[warm parcel]

[balmy condor]

I have 100% exped

and a haste ring

gives me 150

how much is that worth spatula

[raven locust]

3 sockets

150 haste

[balmy condor]

with 100% exped

[raven locust]

150 haste is 3 sockets

What are you not understanding

[normal olive]

oh god this actually hurts

[raven locust]

It's pretty funny though

Uh oh the jig is up

[balmy condor]

I

I don't like you

[raven locust]

I didnt think I could upset someone just saying the same thing 10 times

lol

[balmy condor]

THATS NOT WHAT YOU SAID

[raven locust]

150 haste is 3 sockets though

[raven locust]

Yea

3 sockets

[balmy condor]

how do you get from 3 to 6

[raven locust]

Like I said

With 8 expedients

🙂

[balmy condor]

and the expedients don't apply to the 3 sockets

[raven locust]

Only if they are included

[balmy condor]

included in fucking what

[raven locust]

lol

[balmy condor]

no like actually included in what

that's a serious question

[normal olive]

[steel ridge]

Best math right here

[raven locust]

Included in the math

[balmy condor]

...

[raven locust]

You ok?

[balmy condor]

no I'm fucking not

[raven locust]

Well you should start being ok

[balmy condor]

you're telling me

150 haste from a ring

[raven locust]

lmao

[balmy condor]

with 8 expeds

is 6 sockets

[raven locust]

Well 150 haste is 3 sockets

Do you understand?

[balmy condor]

so far so good

yes

continue

[raven locust]

Aight I'm bored of this, I know it's not equal to those sockets because you have to account for Expedients affecting the 50 haste sockets to begin with

time for some M+

[low girder]

wait no

fuck

[normal olive]

[raven locust]

Sorry whispyr for the aneurysm

I don't have hands, it's not my fault

[normal olive]

[balmy condor]

I just don't fucking understand why you would just willingly take advantage of me like that

but okay

[raven locust]

I saw an opportunity

Couldn't resist

[balmy condor]

well I'm glad you got a kick out of it

[vital haven]

no wait i just got here

goddamit

[lapis vector]

any tips for full clear in visions? both with and without masks?

or is that pinned

[raven locust]

You know the funny part whispyr

[balmy condor]

3x SS

stealth past everything

nuke on bosses

eat your food, collect potions

[raven locust]

If you increase the sockets and 150 haste with expedients it comes up to just a little over 3 sockets

3.08 xd

[normal olive]

yeah

[lapis vector]

so only kill the things that see you

[normal olive]

that's how math works

[raven locust]

150 = 3 sockets

[balmy condor]

if you want to just clear

and not full clear

you would rush the objectives

and ignore the extra stuff

[raven locust]

I wish we got Kingsbane back instead of making Toxic Blade baseline, I miss that ability

I'd settle for it being a talent over Alacrity

[vital haven]

blades of amber daily again

blizz hates us

[raven locust]

or the garbage mutilate talent

[normal olive]

yeah kingsbane was fun

[vital haven]

can you imagine not playing legion and playing bfa

thats me btw

[balmy condor]

[drifting cloud]

Nairda stop doing dailies pls

I beg

[vital haven]

i stopped on the rogue

[raven locust]

Legion was a lot of fun for Rogue, despite how cancerous Poison Bomb was

[lapis vector]

which enchantments should i use

[balmy condor]

deadly/quick for raids

deadly/vers for m+

[lapis vector]

okey ty

one more question: when im doing my opener guides tell me to garrote rupture garrote. is that only when i got enough shrouded to gain 4-5 combo points from garrote or should i do it always, event i dosent reach 4-5 combo points?

[balmy condor]

shrouded makes garrote give 3 combo points

and you always do that single target

[normal olive]

did i hear opener

[balmy condor]

the reason you cast 2 is for the maximum pandemic timer

[lapis vector]

so in opener i only apply a 3 combo rupture?

[balmy condor]

correct

you apply a 6 cp rupture later in the opener for the pandemic

the 3cp rupture is only there for the duration

[unreal imp]

ah, was just thinking about asking a question about that

[normal olive]

if you don't like the opener i can show you a few amazing alternatives

[balmy condor]

I think we've seen enough alternatives from you

[strange python]

the famous garrote > vanish > blind > envenom > vendetta?

🙂

[normal olive]

Today i did good tho

[balmy condor]

he showed me a screenshot yesterday where he vanish gar -> rup

right after the exsang

[balmy condor]

it hurt so bad

[strange python]

that rup should've been a blind obviously

[unreal imp]

Poisoned Knife x4, Toxic Blade, Envenom clearly

[strange python]

blind makes you do 20% increased damage

[balmy condor]

it like wasn't even slow

[normal olive]

nah blind is on a diffrent bar i have to click on

[balmy condor]

the VERY NEXT global

was a vanish gar

[strange python]

Tbh

sounds like a dps increase

[balmy condor]

pls no

[normal olive]

[strange python]

but still poisoned knife would've been better

[unreal imp]

The 75 talent row is irrelevant on Ra-den, yes?

[umbral rapids]

OH NONONO

aaaaaaa

[strange python]

navi

my eyes are blessed my your skill

[balmy condor]

75 is usually irrelevant in raids in general

[normal olive]

people just don't understand my genius

[strange python]

True ngl

[balmy condor]

prey on the weak is pretty good usually if you have to stun a prio add like a darter on hive

but usually nothing crazy

[strange python]

but I think the true opener is gar > poisoned knife > rupture

[unreal imp]

Typically yes, but I don't think any of the adds in that fight are susceptible to CC, just double checking. Prey is sometimes nice though

[normal olive]

oh yeah should have used that on hivemind ty for the reminder Whispyr

[balmy condor]

np

that's what I'm here for

[lapis vector]

is it worth to throw Poisoned Knife when u need to run away from bosses with aeo attacks like wrathion? or should i just save energy

[balmy condor]

It’s better to use it

Doing some damage is better than no damage

[fleet whale]

if you really want to cheese you can take internal bleeding and KS adds

[balmy condor]

If you can’t melee the boss, poison knife is the next best thing

Fok+CT might reach too

[lapis vector]

okey is pooling energy worth it sometimes?

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/39y64Z1zFtz9pbLFHQUnjF @balmy condor what am I doing wrong here? 8)

[balmy condor]

Pooling energy is marginally good for TB+envenom spam

[fleet whale]

honestly with such high haste

[balmy condor]

But it’s not something you need to worry about

[fleet whale]

pooling really isn't a thing anymore at least energy pooling

[balmy condor]

Yeah with tons of haste you don’t think about it at all

[umbral rapids]

whyspir

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Q9Y4uqNZ3BByzaAMx4rK

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[balmy condor]

@strange python cursed

[strange python]

XD

ngl I think I found the new meta

[balmy condor]

The fk did you just call me symfony?

[umbral rapids]

whyspir

whispyr

[normal olive]

[umbral rapids]

same awesome helpful person :)

[balmy condor]

Also lul

Sim CLF Major formless minor in place of the fireball, and CT

[crimson palm]

Beta invites are out

[balmy condor]

Rogues get beta?

[crimson palm]

For multi CE guilds

Ye i got it

[balmy condor]

I thought we were still in pre-alpha

[normal olive]

Friend of mine allready flexing with his invite

[balmy condor]

Would be nice to have friends

[normal olive]

[umbral rapids]

i'm your friend

[balmy condor]

:)

[umbral rapids]

(:

lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a5U4PtoBXB1aQVefWR95Bt

[normal olive]

if the next person linking a sim has mechagon rings i'ma go to bed

[umbral rapids]

it's the 3 abilities in a row

i did 15 junkyards or so lately and didn't get the from behind one

[balmy condor]

[lone junco]

Yall see the new R1 Shad lol

Assassin Representing.

185k oof.

so much work to press all these buttons. come out at about 100k dps. then add 10 tendy procs to it and hit 185k

[fleet anchor]

lol

Delt all your Expedient, this is the future

[lone junco]

its 1 R3 boot and 2 daggers

[fleet anchor]

Seriously that's it?

[lone junco]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yfK3NnX7mdhFQGgH#fight=29&type=damage-done&translate=true&source=14

[fleet anchor]

That's actually nuts

[fleet anchor]

TA is so stupid

Freakin parsebait crap lol

[lone junco]

was hoping to see something weird like a ton of knife throw cause it procced more.

at least got a fok on the ST fight.

[fleet anchor]

hah

[lone junco]

never forget the chinese pk opener.

[fleet anchor]

PK should definitely be better than FoK most of the time I believe but they are probably really close

[lone junco]

but yeah, he got 10x in the 2:20

[fleet anchor]

Oh yeah I was so excited to find that and then get it hotfixed within a few hours 😄

[normal olive]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tzVipepS4hNoWqT2VdGzp3

[lone junco]

I got 1 pull with that.

[fleet anchor]

The shadowstep macro

[lone junco]

101k is not 185k

[fleet anchor]

Was the best

[umbral rapids]

What was it

[lone junco]

NS applies a bonus to your first move out of stealth

[fleet anchor]

I was scratching my head so hard figuring out the exact sequence you had to do to get it to work

[lone junco]

we used it to vanish Rupture for a big exang

[fleet anchor]

Until I figured out the macro made it work every time

[lone junco]

but some guy in here was talking about opener with Mutilate was best.

and I started digging into his logs.

some good some bad.

turned out if the very first hit procced DP, the poison tick would be BIG.

[fleet anchor]

Yeah basically if you cast Poisoned Knife from range and Shadowstepped it basically ended up sequencing it on the server so that the first damage event out of Stealth was the Deadly Poison DoT.

[lone junco]

then we saw a chinese log with a guy opening with Knife from stealth for the 100% application.

[fleet anchor]

And since DP DoT is spaghetti from 2004

It still snapshotted

After being refreshed

Forever

[lone junco]

It was not the range or the step. it was literally just cause it was 100% applied from stealth.

but year.

[normal olive]

wat

[harsh sphinx]

that tendie log

[fleet anchor]

You had to macro it for it to be 100%

[lone junco]

So you could get it with a mutilate. some of the time.

[fleet anchor]

Otherwise it didn't always work

With the macro it was 100%

[lone junco]

sure.

with knife it probably had to do with flight time of the knife and stealth drop.

anyway, is why I always look for cheese prophets.

[balmy condor]

back in my day

[lone junco]

right

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659

[fiery fable]

what azerite traits are good for raiding?

[lone junco]

Garrote

[balmy condor]

Ss and HoD

If you’re undergeared, NP, DD, TTK are all okay

[fiery fable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fk8Za53o3xjxmkDNXnZ98o

[fleet anchor]

I had so many broken Garothi parses

Between the NS/DP bug

And the PK stacking

[balmy condor]

Dungeon slice

[fiery fable]

is there any gear i can improve for mythic+?

[lone junco]

get a billion crit, and 3 fok traits.

[balmy condor]

Oh I thought we were still talking bout raid

Use bote major

[lone junco]

55% unbuffed crit is attainable.

[fiery fable]

yeah, i just wanna start getting raiding gear now too

[balmy condor]

Stop using marked for death

[fiery fable]

im at 60% crit

[normal olive]

i thought 150% crit with buffs was the go to

[pale tiger]

marked for death breath major with razor coral is the true god gamer build

[balmy condor]

The ultimate 90 APM build

For all the Starcraft players

[lone junco]

dont tell the outlaw channel, but I am glad to see the dice changes for shadowlands.

[solar latch]

i think the new dice change is just going to make me more mad when i roll garbage

[fiery fable]

how much expedients should i get for raiding gear?

[solar latch]

but maybe slice and dice will make it less painful

[pale tiger]

just stop tracking your buffs

ez

[balmy condor]

7x 3 1x 2 adobo

[solar latch]

just dont look at it haha

[balmy condor]

Is the BIS setup

[lone junco]

I still have ptsd from Tb/5 rolling.

[fiery fable]

cool thanks Whispyr

[lone junco]

like the stages of eye popping out of my head.

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-angry-intense-mad-rage-gif-3482842

at the 5th roll during lust.

[fleet anchor]

I'm honestly less excited about SnD as I was initially

Because I thought they were giving us the version with energy regen

[pale tiger]

its a finisher that makes us stab faster

[lone junco]

this is the first beta I didnt get in a while.

[pale tiger]

[fleet anchor]

Instead of a new, sanitized version that is just attack speed

[pale tiger]

i sleep

[fleet anchor]

Right now all SnD does for us is poison/white damage

So it's kinda meh

[umbral rapids]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mDKBAcDoXHUafKjKHceEq9 @balmy condor i need some hod man

[balmy condor]

I’m ready for the day when SnD isn’t worth the combo points

[umbral rapids]

CT will never be an actual upgrade for me

[balmy condor]

[lone junco]

does that poison feed E back on bleedS?

or just the ticks

[fleet anchor]

I doubt it will ever not be worth it

[lone junco]

or am I out of the loop on something.

[balmy condor]

No IL frost mage, rogue electric boogaloo

[fleet anchor]

It's just it won't really help the feel of the spec since it won't speed anything up

It doesn't feed back because VW is based on bleed ticks on poisoned targets

Not poison on bleed targets

[pale tiger]

its literally going to make it feel slower

[lone junco]

right. those fuckers.

[balmy condor]

No

It’ll be faster

Cause our animation is faster

And that feels faster

:)

[normal olive]

we stab faster

[pale tiger]

[fleet anchor]

It helps Sub and Outlaw feel faster

Because they have resource procs from white damage

[lone junco]

we need a dispalacement graphic for FOK.

like DH when they swoop and spin and flap

[balmy condor]

We do a twirl

:)

[lone junco]

and better sounds. Ret sounds like they are CRUSHING shit.

even without wings.

[warm parcel]

rogue aint a crushing plate wearing paladin tho

[balmy condor]

But what if I want to be

Don’t ruin my immersion weak

[warm parcel]

then roll one

[lone junco]

Ret could wear sexy leather

[normal olive]

let us wear plate and reduce movement speed by 50%

[lone junco]

but rogue in plate is no good

[pale tiger]

our agility should scale inversely with the amount of armor we're wearing

i want a naked meta

[balmy condor]

UwU?

Wonder the mega degenerate

[lone junco]

monk punching should be baseline then.

[normal olive]

monks shouldn't be able to wield weapons since they punch everything change my mind

[lone junco]

just get a robe and stick

[pale tiger]

wait i forgot thats how dark souls works basically

why do i even play this game

gonna just be a ds3 pvper from now on later guys

[hasty vale]

Is anyone else getting a little worried we still haven't seen anything much for rogues in term of legendries or conduits?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

All of us are

[hasty vale]

Its gonna be an Emerald Nightmare all over again huh?

[fleet anchor]

What would do more damage?

Just makes sense Rogues do less damage than Warriors

[normal olive]

The tree

[little root]

[balmy condor]

The low quality edit with the off centered VS.

Is the most damage

[pale tiger]

pretty sure guns win

[fleet anchor]

But yes Gier

[pale tiger]

guess we should play outlaw

[fleet anchor]

It is getting to be somewhat concerning

Will be touched on pretty heavily in an upcoming feedback post 🙂

(From Rogues, not from Blizzard lol)

[normal olive]

who needs legendarys and conduits anyway

[pale tiger]

zero changes

zero legendaries

zero hope

[normal olive]

can't wait for the sprint has 1 second less cd conduit

[fleet anchor]

lol

[balmy condor]

Someone get sloot to tweet ion

We’ll get a response then

[fleet anchor]

Mutilate deals 5.4% more AP damage

😮

Shiv increases the Nature damage taken by an additional [0.25-10]%

Gonna be really inspiring stuff

[pale tiger]

or maybe our legendaries will be amazing since it's taking so long to make them

nah jk who am i kidding

[fleet anchor]

Mages will get something like "When you Pyroblast you have a 20% chance to cast another Pyroblast for free as well as a 5% chance to instantly Ignite the target for an additional 20000% damage"

[pale tiger]

this is blizz

[fleet anchor]

And we'll get "Deadly Poison periodic damage is increased by 10%"

🤣

But, more seriously. Definitely concerned about how late it is getting. Because late means less time for iteration and likely not very ambitious designs.

[steady prairie]

inb4 its the fangs of the fathers affects on a legendary

[balmy condor]

Their legendaries gonna give them essences back and a new spell that increases the crit damage of the next 3 pyroblasts by 60% if hot streak is procced by a flame blast

[normal olive]

"Poison dagger gives has a 5% chance to grant 1.01 CP"

[balmy condor]

Rogue: your mutilate does poison damage

[fleet anchor]

The later it gets the more concerned I am that they will be very boring

And it's not like Rogue is just one spec either

[normal olive]

They forgot rogues and will be like: "Oh yeah rogues, ... just slap on the legiondarys"

[fleet anchor]

Putting off the entire class means 3 full specs worth of shit they need to implement

It's a pretty large amount of work

[pale tiger]

i mean they might be done with some of the specs, but don't want to announce just one spec at a time or something?

idk

honestly i'll settle for uninspired legendaries

as long as their strong

they're*

but i don't have much hope for either atm

[steady prairie]

im still holding out hope that the effects are going to be amazing

[lone junco]

Increase Proc chance of blindside by 8%

[pale tiger]

don't even say that

you might give them ideas

[balmy condor]

[lone junco]

but really though, we should just hope for bracer bracer bracer and Shoulder.

[balmy condor]

Nah you don’t have to worry

They don’t listen to our feedback or concerns anyway

[lone junco]

I liked Ravenholdt ring in keys. and bleed wrist in raid.

wrist is still part of my Timewalking kit.

[steady prairie]

ok but here me out: cataclysm legendary daggers set bonus

[lone junco]

2p20, 2p21, wrist and 2ss traits.

makes me lol every time.

maybe its just the 4p20. whatever the garrote is

[deep solstice]

I finally have beta access and rogues still are not implemented >.>

[lone junco]

like you just cant make one?

or it doesnt have the new stuff

[deep solstice]

Nah just most of the new stuff is not in game yet

The datamined torghast buffs look interesting though.

[mystic osprey]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[deep solstice]

Distract is a dps cooldown. lol

[next solar]

finally got the damn dagger off carapace

[mystic osprey]

So I got my empowered Garrotes working on WA. Anyone know some exsanguinate bleed WAs...essentially highlights bleeds under exsan buff?

[balmy condor]

I got mine working on rupture but not garrote and I’m too lazy to fix it

[mystic osprey]

haha. Yeah I was debating going down the DIY

[balmy condor]

You basically read the combat log for the event that exsang got cast and then update that way

It’s like 25 lines of code

[dire spoke]

I set my exsa WA to a fixed time to display, is there a method to actually show the real variable uptimes

[balmy condor]

Wdym the variable uptimes

[dire spoke]

the rupture uptime can vary

[balmy condor]

You mean for pandemic?

There’s no variable duration I can think of otherwise

[dire spoke]

when does your exsa WA stop showing?

[balmy condor]

When a new rupture is applied or it drops

[mystic osprey]

^

[dire spoke]

yeah, I couldn't figure out how to untrigger it

so I set a fixed average uptime

workaround

[balmy condor]

[dire spoke]

So you have more triggers for dropping rupture or new apply

[balmy condor]

I haven’t touched my code since legion tbh

Idk how I’m untriggering off the top of my head

Whenever I changed my weakaura I copy-pasta’d the code with it

[dire spoke]

xd

[balmy condor]

Was a bitch to setup back then

I ain’t doing it again xD

[dire spoke]

yeah

[balmy condor]

Tbh could probably steal some of the code from moroes’s weakauras

[mystic osprey]

I tried to harvest some code from the 5 pinned WAs but none had exsan bleed was

[balmy condor]

really?

whack

[mystic osprey]

Well, i didn't inspect them significantly...but I didn't see any comments on it

let me dig a bit more

[dire spoke]

I did a combatlog spell cast success and then this https://i.snipboard.io/mQefTs.jpg

no actual code

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah mine is code

[dire spoke]

I mean it's just not clean, but it reminds me to fucking not override

[balmy condor]

function(event,timestamp,subEvent,_,sourceGUID,_,_,_,destGUID,_,_,_,...)
    if event == "PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED" then
        aura_env.currentGUID = UnitGUID("target")
    end
    
    if event == "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" and sourceGUID == WeakAuras.myGUID then
        if subEvent =="SPELL_AURA_APPLIED" or   subEvent == "SPELL_AURA_REMOVED"  or  subEvent == "SPELL_AURA_REFRESH"   then
            local spell = ...
            if spell == aura_env.trackRupture then
                aura_env.CancelGUIDToTrack(destGUID)   
            end
        end
        
        if subEvent == "SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS" then
            local spell = ...
            if  spell == aura_env.trackExsanguinate and aura_env.currentGUID then
                aura_env.SetGUIDToTrack(aura_env.currentGUID)
            end
        end
    end
end

dunno if its legal to just post that

[mystic osprey]

You should be able to just overlay some text or something like the "EMP" when the bleed is EXSAN

[dire spoke]

lol, literally how I named stuff https://i.snipboard.io/q4R1au.jpg

[balmy condor]

ye

that works

god its been so long since I've stared at lua

my own wa's feel like gibberish

[next solar]

what font is that

[dire spoke]

FrancoiseOne

[lone junco]

@dire spoke lol. did you just have a text block show up and say "Exang" for the 15s after you press it?

thats my kind of code.

[dire spoke]

perhaps

[lone junco]

4min solution instead of . . . . things that break.

i didnt ever need it cause I got a giant boner after pressing exang. so I was able to feel it.

[dire spoke]

@balmy condor but what's the duration information

[balmy condor]

Just a typical aura target debuff trigger

[dire spoke]

mhm

just asking because that only seems half the code

[balmy condor]

The first block of it sees if rupture is added/removed/refreshed

So that handles all of those

[dire spoke]

yeah I mean, the triggering wasn't my issue

the custom untrigger was

xd

[balmy condor]

Well yeah, if the bleed is removed or refreshed

That’s the untrigger technically

It’s janky code man don’t bully

[dire spoke]

did you code that as a func or as a second trigger

[balmy condor]

A 4th trigger

[dire spoke]

[balmy condor]

trigger 1 is the debuff, trigger 2 is an always active trigger (cause ancient times), trigger 3 is a target checker

if I target swap and swap back for example

[dire spoke]

yeah

[balmy condor]

and then trigger 4 is that disaster

and then all the coloring stuff is handled by trigger active true then color conditionals

[lone junco]

got to have a jovial chat about WCL statistics in guild. Whipped out some antorus Sin.

its always nice when the low 5% is above the 50% of other specs lol

[dire spoke]

and then trigger 4 is that disaster
@balmy condor reminds me of my subtlety one I wrote target switching because of some empowerment spell in legion

[drifting cloud]

thats prepatch tho