night fae looks like a good way to reset mobs/boss when playing solo 
#assassination
plain thistle
sturdy cargo
yea night fae has room to be fun to use if u can apply the garote with the stealth buff everytime u use it
night fae looks like a good way to reset mobs/boss when playing solo
true
normal olive
Well i'm not choosing a covenant for solo play duh
plain thistle
well, but it at least need to works for every scenario right?
normal olive
I just think it could be neat for raiding, 1 minute vanish
plain thistle
think about something like visions, you wouldnt be able to use it for boss if playing solo
dark crag
Free vanish use, add +1 charge to vanish. I don't know
Wasn't that hard to think about
plain thistle
yeah, but vanish is only a good offensive CD because we have azerite traits to buff it, because otherwise isnt very strong
think about tb + dd build, vanish was really weak
normal olive
Well venthyr sounds pretty bad and bastion i can't really get behind
sturdy cargo
Bastion will never be BiS, too hard to get the right amount of CP
plain thistle
venthyr needs a rework tbh
plain thistle
super boring
normal olive
yeah rogue abilitys in general aren't that great, i only like nigh fae because it has the vanish, which makes it a bit unique to the others
sturdy cargo
I like the bone spike
but blizz don't seem to like it if wowhead is correct
I hope at least the conduits are strong
normal olive
That's just a stacking dot with a burst, sounds good but boring
dark crag
Vanish is an offensive cd even without azerites because master assassin exists
If we have no ss traits anymore, assa goes back to ma
normal olive
Well gotta wait for legendarys, maybe we get something similar
dark crag
Although with high crit and essences ma wasn't used even before the high haste exsang raz build
robust lake
@dusky moon can you post your sim? Interested to see your M+ gear setup, as Im still trying to figure it out. It seems I either do great trash or great boss damage but not both
sturdy cargo
someone just recommended me this video, just what we were saying... hopefully next beta build help us rogues out
devout fiber
Would there ever be a time you use Wound Poison instead of Deadly?
I'm guessing u can only have 2 active
strange python
pvp
devout fiber
against healers?
scarlet sequoia
@sturdy cargo can you link source for the bone spike removal
vast forum
it was datamined but it's still on beta
strange python
the source was wowhead
they had it as "removed"
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/rogue-covenant-abilities-shadowlands @scarlet sequoia
wary ice
You'd use deadly vs like rogue mage but most double DPS have enough leech /self heal to justify using wound over deadly
scarlet sequoia
since it currently doesnt have the correct tooltip
wary ice
evern rouge mage is questionable
sturdy cargo
@sturdy cargo can you link source for the bone spike removal
I just googled rogue covenant skills and that was the tooltip
it was datamined but it's still on beta
^^
Reading souldbinds, now i'm 100% sure that bastion is complete dog shit. that's one that i'm 100% sure we will never use even without seeing the numbers of the all the covenants yet
warm parcel
amazing foresight
scarlet sequoia
assa rogue is completely fucking awful to play on beta
awful trash
sucks
and is boring and awful to play
terrible design
normal olive
main warren
strange python
Was assassination really ever fun though
spice spire
When dispatch was an execute 😦
vast forum
but it's fun
vast forum
assa was also very fun in hfc, but it was just strictly worse than sub so no1 played it
strange python
this dcord has some quality emotes
unreal kayak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qLt1tJmvKmDB9SK9SKo2PT should i use striketrough and severe instead of expedient proably just sims higher because of sockets
tribal marlin
Infexious video is indeed pretty negative but sadly a bit true. Rogue state of developpement actually really feels like "paused" right now.
tribal marlin
keep the best for the last I guess
warm parcel
to be seen
mental trout
Rogues will never be as fun as they were in ulduar 😆
cobalt pelican
wat
mental trout
That was just my favorite raid honestly. Hard modes were the shit
true ingot
The rogue class designer is busy splitting his time on making Warlocks the best class in the game.
sturdy cargo
amazing foresight
@warm parcel lol sorry had to afk after that msg haha
rogue bastion skill is seems to be almost impossible to get the right amount of CP, specially in burst windowns when u have extra haste and crit. And the signature skill is also the worst one and brings 0 dps or utility, it's basically a lock stone. No impressive soulbinds too
Necrolord class skill is by far the best one rn (I haven't looked too much into numbers of every covenant but I've heard ppl say it's op af rn) and IMO it seems fun to play with and a playstile I like. Besides that necro has the best soulbind pvp with the immune to CC shield so picking necro u can prob do PVE and PVP rn, and the PVE pure dps soulbind also seems to bring some nice survivability and DPS with the first trait giving u +20% max hp when u use the shield and the last trait seems to give the first one some dps too
venthyr class skill is wayy to boring, but i've never seen the numbers in it so I can't say how good it is. Keep in mind that the venthyr signature skill is busted op and everyone might pick it depending on boss fights or how good it is in arenas, u have really nice soulbind choices for PVP, u can either get the "hold ur ground" trait witch might be super strong if u are the kill target or u can get the soulbind witch makes the door of shadows insta, giving us an insta 30yrd tp. the nadjia soulbind also has almost a hero in it's last trait, and u can also get a trait that is a perma 4% dps increase to a ST.
Night fae signature skill is just some furry shit and I do'nt see any use in it. The class skill might see some use cuz we might be able to have the garote with the stealth dmg increase always up, that will add up with the last trait in the Dmg soulbind cuz u will get 10% mastery after using night fae skill, the problem with it is that in solo content it will always reset mobs. In fights where u need to interrupt a lot or in M+ I could see night fae dmg soulbind doing amazing dmg too
true ingot
Night Furry ability got straight removed didn't it?
sturdy cargo
it's deactivate now in beta as far as I know, but Idk if it's perma removed
true ingot
I imagine it's just getting reworked to not reset in open world then.
Maybe laying down a clone that keeps the mob in combat or summat.
sturdy cargo
again I'm not an amazing rogue neither an amazing retail player so do'nt take everything I say as 100% true, just giving my thoughts on it
I imagine it's just getting reworked to not reset in open world then.
that would be soo good
it's an interesting skill
true ingot
You quoted the wrong part. Big kek.
It is, but it's locked behind Night Furry so
Hard avoid. >>>
devout fiber
Does this discord have a guild or smth?
i'm lvl 114 rn and have never joined a guild before
tribal marlin
Well I was hyped to test Rogue Torghast but then I tested it and ... like there missing 3 Anima Power, most other Rogue specific Anima Power have negativ interaction, are bugged or just not work at all. Currently Torghast is all about stacking Mastery / Crit / Crit damage, win the 1st boss, pray for First Steps and then OS everything
super boring
sturdy cargo
yea, we have torghast broken for us, no legendaries/conduits and missing talents 😦
true ingot
They are just running out of time to put them in.
We need a good few months to test and get them to chop and change whatever they do put in.
tribal marlin
Well at least we can hope to have a huge update for Rogue coming soon
true ingot
So if it's not in in the next.. two weeks or so?
silent crescent
Maybe rogues reached 100% borrowed power and have to stay in bfa
true ingot
It's really, really cutting it fine.
tribal marlin
Ye that's my biggest fear : if they don't release the Rogue Update soon enough, we will miss time to really test it.
true ingot
Even then we have to hope they even listen to the feedback we do get time to give them.
tribal marlin
but the buggy state is the worst here
like really, more than Half the anima power are bugged
like the only one working properly are "increase Eviscerate damage by 25%"
ye
that's the only one who work properly xD
this thing
sound a cool QoL anima you might take
hahahahahaha
true ingot
It's telling that one of our covenant abilities was disabled/removed, one is straight up never getting picked (Venthyr), one is ridiculously difficult to use (bastion) leaving us with only one viable choice that one person claimed is also being removed? 😦
tribal marlin
it reduce Step range to 2y as well as Blind range to 2y, it increase Storm range to 37 YARDS, and all melee ability goes to 37y too, like wtf
normal olive
wtf xD
bleak spoke
They’re testing ranged rogue this is the end
sturdy cargo
It's telling that one of our covenant abilities was disabled/removed, one is straight up never getting picked (Venthyr), one is ridiculously difficult to use (bastion) leaving us with only one viable choice that one person claimed is also being removed? 😦
venthyr might get picked if numbers are high, bastion is def not getting picked trust me unless they change it a lot.
scarlet sequoia
@tribal marlin i took that one and i couldnt even press shuriken storm
cus it was -37 yards
normal olive
mhm yes numbers go up
true ingot
It'd need some giga tuning to be useful.
sturdy cargo
yea, and even if it gets op it will be still boring
normal olive
tribal marlin
Tho the Ventyr thing does not interact with things such as ShadowBlade or Seal Fate
So basically worst pressing than Ambush or Shadowstrike
You only ever press to refresh the poison (which deal no damage anyway) or to proc https://i.imgur.com/nNbrGLg.png
devout fiber
Does impassive Visage stack if u have it enabled on another azerite armour?
fiery fable
servers are up
warm parcel
right sure
but looking at any of the SL stuff rn is 100% pointless in terms of "how good it is"
literally anything can change
sturdy cargo
Does impassive Visage stack if u have it enabled on another azerite armour?
don't worry too much bout those inner traits
warm parcel
we dont even have 90% of the sl stuff thats out there for other classes
rogue isnt even in the beta so to speak
sturdy cargo
true
tribal marlin
But
all this being said, the Venthyr ability have a veryy cool animation and the weapon aura is nut xD
warm parcel
Right now is a good time to talk about how some of them are boring, and the ambush replacement sure is one
There is nothing cool about having a button thats an ambush
When some other specs get amazing cool new buttons
Or how some buttons might be annoyingly low qol for solo content etc
Those are good points to look at now
sturdy cargo
I agree, but I still stand by every point I made in what I wrote earlyer. Rn ignoring covenant signature skills we only have 1 choice that is necro
warm parcel
thats just no tho
cause again
you can literally change the powerlevel of them at any point in the game
2 weeks from now
a month before launch
2 weeks from launch
and boom its useless
they already removed the most egregious conduits cause they were clearly just not okay
true ingot
Makes you wonder how they ever thought they were okay to begin with tbh.
warm parcel
Theyre cool I guess
tribal marlin
And most of all, it's very likely to happen. I think they will redesign all of theim but the Kyrian one
warm parcel
But have no real place in a game where youre supposed to have "balance"
tribal marlin
well the Kyrian one needs some sort of QoL change but otherwise the concept is fine
all 3 others need to be reshape
If they ever reshape the Venthyr one, I hope they'll keep the animation, it is so cool xD
warm parcel
Blizz art team usually is the one that delivers
crimson palm
Even if venthyr one sucks, having 2 cds to cheese mechanics with will probably be a bigger dps gain
tribal marlin
Also a possible path Blizzard might choose is to redirect most of the Player Power into Conduits
Conduits are all the same, no matter what convenant you choose
so
crimson palm
Are they? I thought some of them are tied to a specific covenant
normal olive
They are tied to class and spec
i forgot the names but the potenticy is tied to spec and the other 2 are tied to class if i recall correctly
tribal marlin
Well your Soulbind looks like a "talent tree", each node is a Covenant specific passive OR an empty node you can fill with a thing
Like Relics in Legion
all theese Relics is the same no matter what convenant you choose
and they are the most impactfull things with legendary rn
It seems like all soulbind have a shared outline. The Covenant specific passiv can be utility / defensiv / offensiv passiv. But for all Souldbind I checked, if you choose a Offensive Covenant specific conduit, you loose access to a offensive spec/class specific conduit
here a screen shot to better see the picture
wary ice
general draven looks like a dork tbh
tribal marlin
Unfortunately only Nidja allow you to get 3 offensive class conduits
but this, not work properly. For rogue, basically only increase Attack Speed for 20%, kinda sucks right ?
normal olive
wait rly?
tribal marlin
Ye .... I don't really get how it is supposed to work. But basically, it does not increase dots damage like haste should, and it does not reduce the Global Cooldown
crimson palm
It should also make dots tick faster no?
tribal marlin
I think this last part is a bug due the rogue Global CD being fixed to 1s
fathom swift
Have you tested it?
tribal marlin
yes I did, does not increase dot damage 😦
crimson palm
F6
warm parcel
Its supposed to work like the NH effect
fathom swift
Does it reduce cds faster?
warm parcel
I mean it should do what it literally says
Every second that passes is effectively 1.2 seconds
No matter what it comes to
fathom swift
Ya
tribal marlin
but with no reduction of global CD and dots ticking faster, this stuff is a bit scuffed for a "last talent of the tree"
Oh also we miss one
tribal marlin
ye for sure
tribal marlin
Also one good thing to note is that the Mastery stuff
this
it's actually 10 mastery POINTS
then multiplied with Mastery factor
so for Subtely it give 24% mastery
for Assa it give 17% etc...
crimson palm
Azerite 2.0
tribal marlin
well it's 10% mastery if your spec has a 1.0 mastery factor xD
lean marten
if u have 100 mastery that would be 10%
balmy condor
tribal marlin
yes I just tested again, it does not increase dot tick rate neither reduce GCD 😦
Seems like only increase attack speed and making ability cooling down 20% faster
balmy condor
Unlucky
fathom swift
Not energy?
tribal marlin
Will you choose Venthyr anyway 😄 ?
normal olive
Nah i wanna fuck around with the night fae vanish
strange python
If it resets mobs while solo'ing i dont see how it'll be useful
But definitely will be awesome in group content
normal olive
Yeah i'ma choose covenant for raiding and stuff not for solo content ^^
balmy condor
I’m choosing m+ covenant :)
fathom swift
So bone spike?
tribal marlin
Imma play Venthyr 🙂
vast forum
venthyr on a boss like drest and you're immortal 🙂
normal olive
m+
rigid mango
Depends on your definition of playable.
normal olive
viable*
rigid mango
Again, same thing there.
normal olive
me not smart
rigid mango
If you're not minmaxing your char everything should be fine to play to some degree
Albeit I'm betting there'll be one that'll be the best, and one far worst and 2 in the middle kinda w/e
normal olive
yeah most likely, bastion just seems kinda clunky with the rng on CP we have
tribal marlin
It will be a complete mess to sims theim
rigid mango
Can't wait.
tribal marlin
like you need to take the ability but also all the conduits
opal minnow
havent played it, but kyrian just seems way too clunky to try and play
balmy condor
Koji’s losing his mind probably
silent crescent
They should make the kyrian one pick a new target each time you miss or something so you can force a 5/6 cp
rigid mango
Probably just gonna be a hell to sim first patch and then be one meta for atleast a patch or two with no real simming needed 
tribal marlin
is like "ok your convenant sucks, here is 4% free raw damage for you"
And then you face a Nzoth-style combat and your fuck'd
balmy condor
And then we sim and swap
And they buff the covenant
And now we can’t swap back
:)
normal olive
Well you can swap back, just takes a while
and the progress before you left is saved
balmy condor
It’s painful is the point
tribal marlin
I think they should not lock people down to 1 covenant and rather allow people to play for all covenant, but make theim so you can only feed one covenant at a time
just like Artifact weapons
So you still wont be able to swap convenant to best suit a given encounter, but you can choose what convenant you will put effort in at the begining of a patch as an example
silent crescent
Id be fine with locking covenenants if it was a more meaningful choice. Like they REALLY should have tried something cool with factions since horde has no reason to fight ally anymore.... make the covenants be your factions for world pvp or something
tribal marlin
and it give player something to do (feeding other covenant) at the end of a patch where you already have unlock everything in your first convenant
silent crescent
It even would work with defending/assaulting each other's home zones
fathom swift
Only thing im worried about is being locked to one spec only
tribal marlin
well for me I want to explore all convenants
but I don't want to play 4 characters
rigid eagle
yo @balmy condor so the game is still telling me to go WV
balmy condor
That’s unlucky
balmy condor
I’ll take a look after breakfast
rigid eagle
okie lol
but maybe this is a sign man, maybe im just supposed to play around the 1 min cd
balmy condor
I have pancakes :-)
rigid eagle
i have repeat azerite pieces from vendor and no food
balmy condor
rigid eagle
it all comes tumbling down tumbling down
balmy condor
Needs 1% more crit
normal olive
34%
sturdy cargo
I just come back to retail, and still getting used to all these corruptions, but why would it be usefull to have more then 100% crit?
or is 1% crit not = 1% crit?
sturdy cargo
so why 133%?
dusky moon
just procs
spice spire
To assert dominance
strange python
balmy condor
Yeah 133% crit out of combat
200% in combat
You crit twice on every crit
Or something
strange python
double crit
balmy condor
Mutilate for 6cp
silent crescent
Make it apply your crit dmg again, 2nd extra combo point too
Echoing blades has guaranteed crit, 3x crits
balmy condor
Huge
fleet whale
technically 103% crit is what you want if you want to crit on everything
balmy condor
Why tho
fleet whale
bosses are counted as 3 levels above you
and that reduced your crit chance by 3% against them, unless if blizz changed that
naive lynx
quick out of the topic question
i bought this mask
but in game
it doesn't glow
not even occasionly
y?
somber fractal
so im gonna try condensed life force for the first time this week. is the idea to use it pre pull then re-stealth?
urban bough
so i am new to assa rogue i played outlaw the whole expansion and now i want to switch to assa rogue. Now my question ^^ which are the go to essences for assa? at the moment i have vision in major
dense blaze
BOTE never did me any wrong
urban bough
and vision in minor?
so BOTE in major and no i have Minor vision, lucid dreams, and breath
dense blaze
Haven't use vision in a long time
dense blaze
You will need to sim that for yourself, takes a lot of expedient and haste to have CT pull ahead for boss damage
urban bough
ok alright thanks 🙂
spice spire
Iirc it’s about 60% haste where it pulls ahead
spice spire
I’m getting to that breakpoint and it’s still not there, so I’m assuming 60 is fairly accurate
balmy condor
Hi bb
spice spire
balmy condor
TTK makes it very not there
strange python
So question, why's TTK destroy CT? Is it because you just have to dump every finisher into Envenom?
balmy condor
It makes envenom a better finisher
And since CT competes with envenom for CP
And envenom is now better
CT becomes not worth
CT, being a finisher has to both be better than PB, and the envenom damage you’re losing by casting CT’s instead
So by buffing envenoms, you make it harder for CT to beat it
So bad in fact that after some testing, the APL completely ignores CT if you have a TTK
(In single target obviously)
balmy condor
I mean viable and optimal are 2 different words right
Irontide helm is viable
But you’ll be stuck with PB
If you don’t like that
dense blaze
It definitely increases the damage of one of your finishers
balmy condor
Don’t use it
I would also argue that a lot of the time, PB doesn’t quite do the damage that sims say it would
If you’re on something that moves a lot, like an add or something like xanesh
PB quickly loses value
warm sparrow
What's the preferred way of running sims for M+?
Dungeon Slice, multiple patchwerks, etc. ?
balmy condor
There really isn’t a preferred way
There’s a couple schools of thought on it though
And you can use your own intuition to decide what you want to do
There’s the dungeon slice way, which is smaller pulls and usually values a haste build and single target heavier
Or there’s the aoe way, which is like 5-6 target 1-1:30 length
And that’ll push you towards EB/crit
umbral rapids
Whispyr
balmy condor
Yes sir
umbral rapids
Someone told me to tell you you’re has been
balmy condor
My what now
umbral rapids
Happy birthday
balmy condor
Ty bb
thin cargo
Happy birthday
balmy condor
@quaint vortex what you talkin bout woman
umbral rapids
LMFAO
warm whale
you're still a scrub get gud
balmy condor
I’m at work here honey helping the good people of ravenholdt can we talk about this later
umbral rapids
quaint vortex
whispyr I heard you're a has been
but I won't tell you who told me that
happy birthday and thanks for all the work you do for the rogue community btw, we love you
dense blaze
Looks like Azeroth auto pilot
rancid bobcat
balmy condor
@quaint vortex 
umbral rapids
Wait it’s really your birthday?
balmy condor
@umbral rapids Yep, every 21st day in July, for the last 21 years
balmy condor
@normal olive your screenshots every day are enough of a present :)
umbral rapids
normal olive
Happy birthday
balmy condor
I don’t deserve any name
umbral rapids
also
balmy condor
I talk out of my ass constantly
balmy condor
Zoomer
green forge
Happy bday 
balmy condor
thanks frend
indigo kiln
Happy bday!
normal olive
balmy condor
tyyyyyyyyyyy but I'm really not
@arctic walrus is the best
😍
except when he changes my name
arctic walrus
spice spire
balmy condor
but uh
yeah you're boned
live your life forever doomed to WV
could run bote at -700
thats what I would do
balmy condor
Macro it together yeah
balmy condor
Well you’d play WV like you would gcb
With vendetta/vanish every 2 min
And on cd in between
rigid eagle
second GCD + WV can't really line up with exsang
balmy condor
Well
rigid eagle
would this build be better with TB + DD lol
rigid eagle
D:
balmy condor
And I honestly doubt it
Exsang sims higher for you by a long shot I think
I checked some Tb stuff out of curiosity
And it wasn’t great
But I didn’t go too far
rigid eagle
actually i disenchanted 480 slithering loa...don't think I can play DD build anymore lol
balmy condor
Exsang’s better anyway
rigid eagle
yup
btw how does gcb work with bleeds?
like if I dot up umbric in a vision run, and I stand in GCB after he ports away
are my bleeds still getting buffed
balmy condor
Yes but only if they’re not exsang’d
rigid eagle
oh...
balmy condor
Exsang snapshots haste
rigid eagle
OMG
balmy condor
And thus tick rate
rigid eagle
wait that's sorta insane
so technically i dont have to stand in GCB right
just use it right before exsang
balmy condor
You stand in it when you hit exsang
rigid eagle
yup
balmy condor
Then you can do whatever
rigid eagle
that's fuckin nuts
balmy condor
That’s where the majority of gcb’s strength comes from
balmy condor
Anyway I’ll be back later, if any of you have questions dm me or something idk post it here and I’ll catch up xD
rigid eagle
lol thx for the help man
crimson palm
https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedJazzyQuailTheRinger if anyone has a worse tftb proc rate please share
thin cargo
Yikes
low girder
I got 4 within 10 seconds once on like grong in BoD for a mount run before the skip
I didn't run over 40 for a very long time after that
rigid eagle
oof, most i've gotten is the first thing from beyond procing a second one...
crimson palm
when your raid lead says u should run <39 show him this clip
if this can be survived, nothing can kill you xD
low girder
Rofl
rigid eagle
my raid leader will probably crawl through my screen to beat me irl for wanting that much healing xD
limber wagon
Guess I play GCB over my plumage now :/
solar flicker
aww poor you
limber wagon
lol
limber wagon
It'll have a socket as soon as I can bring myself to spam visions
strange python
ah yes that fun forced thing that no one likes
limber wagon
Visions were a blast at first
rigid eagle
too bad the loot gets hard shit on by both m+ and mythic raid..
limber wagon
But after god knows how many runs, they really start to lose the sparkle
rigid eagle
headbutt into split personality
strange python
that onhe is fun 8)
rigid eagle
that forced jump thing pulling an extra pack
strange python
balmy condor
Head butted into split personality, and while you’re disoriented the fear circle spawns and you get that too, so you die and proc your on-death res
rigid eagle
visions are still more fun than wiping in group content because someone else fucks up mechanic
balmy condor
Literally 15 seconds of watching your character go through animations
strange python
rigid eagle
but man it could be a lot better
balmy condor
Anyway I was angry about that back to afk
rigid eagle
lul i wonder if rogues will have more sustain for torghast tho
they're nerfing vial, we're losing breath of the dying, leeching poison/soothing darkness aren't getting any buffs, and you can't even spam reroll for grand melee anymore
odd heath
https://clips.twitch.tv/RenownedJazzyQuailTheRinger if anyone has a worse tftb proc rate please share
@crimson palm pretty bad proc 😭 running 59
low girder
oof
cinder ferry
In a boss fight what should be my highest damage skill?
balmy condor
garrote
cinder ferry
What does it mean if my envenom is
balmy condor
you're playing wrong, or not using the exsang build
envenom should be highest if you're using a TB/poison build
if you have logs to look at
that would help
cinder ferry
I dont currently. Is exsang a corruption skill?
cinder ferry
Ah I'm in tb
balmy condor
then you're fine
umbral rapids
ur fine
wooden crag
how much haste am i looking at to play with crimson tempest?
umbral rapids
Sim it but usually 60% according to Mr Whispyr
slim pebble
I'm at 70% now and it just recently started simming higher
wooden crag
damn so i am missing a good few expedient
steel ridge
I am at 70% and it sims within 50 dps of poison bomb
paper verge
Hey guys im new to the game and rogue discord, great channel, exactly what i was searching for
steel ridge
Probably highly dependent on mastery
tropic ocean
Hi friend
lone junco
paper verge
haha well it's been 5 months so technically not new nvm
tropic ocean
Was it the best 5 months ever?
normal olive
paper verge
in terms of mmorpg yes it has .. came from a game called rift lol
paper verge
decided to post because I saw everyone on wow logs using the exas build..not sure why my spec sims higher in the standard tb master set up
crimson palm
in terms of mmorpg yes it has .. came from a game called rift lol
@paper verge is RIFT alive lmao
paper verge
not at all very steady population decline. No content for years, same raid for like almost 3 years now it's just a mess of a game
turbid galleon
I got perma banned from rift cause the devs hated my guild :(
turbid galleon
lol yea cori, was part of their second ban
paper verge
wow well nice to see to players from rift here that's cool
anyway .. any reccomendations? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6S6x4vaiKNis1D1jxEq8TC
paper verge
yea i just finally looked on this discord and found out about the exas build xD
just need to get comfortable with it
wind flume
is double dose a good build? ive been focussing on ss and eb
quiet radish
besides getting a gem for my trinket and replacing the rings and plum to 475 does anybody have any suggestions for improvement for me? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4EgVAe2MzQKyvHt4ehHQXH
arctic walrus
2 expedients and do mythic
balmy condor
More sockets
(I didn’t look at the sim cause mobile quick sims but I assume sockets)
It’s always sockets
wind flume
when simming for mythic plus whats the best setting, i see everyone posting patchwerk
paper verge
so in st nya fights yea I do alright @wind flume but i run into terrible problems in keys, im grateful I found this channel
balmy condor
3x SS in keys
Or you’ll hate life
Not having 3x SS in keys is kinda just trolling
wind flume
i managed to get 3xss and 2xeb but i have to downgrade to the 465 to get the second eb
fucking residuum gamble
balmy condor
Yeah that’s fine
You can easily do 20’s with 465 azerite
Especially with all the corruption craziness
paper verge
thanks @balmy condor .. im just going to start using the exas build/gear set up
balmy condor
Hectic add cleave
Kinda weird
But ok
Those corruptions are kinda jank
Need to work on those
That’s also a lot of haste
wind flume
yea i pvp mostly so i get those corrputions bleeding over to my pve mythic set
but next week that will change
wind flume
looks like they have this beta dungeon slice setting thats supposed to sim 6 min of a m+
balmy condor
Yeah I wouldn’t recommend it
It works and does it’s job
But the pulls are a little small
And it values single target pretty high
It’s great for outlaw tho I hear
All multi-target simulations have upsides and downsides
There’s no one sim that will get it perfectly correct
Because keys are different, levels are different, affixes change, the way the tank pulls changes, your group composition changes
There’s too many variables
balmy condor
Yeah you can use it, it’s fine
I personally don’t use it
But you can use it if you so choose
Just take it with a grain of salt
umbral rapids
I honestly don’t even look at the numbers
balmy condor
I mean the numbers are gonna be janky anyway cause weird multi-target sim stuff
Doesnt really reflect what will actually happen
It’s supposed to give an approximation
So the number is basically meaningless
umbral rapids
Yeah I just compare
Then i run a short patchwerk
Though at this point i barely get upgrades anyway
umbral rapids
Ye makes sense
balmy condor
But I don’t run it in junkyard
I don’t trust in the zap bot enough to run haste on fort junkyard
But I know people who do that
And it works good
umbral rapids
I play outlaw in keys whispyr
balmy condor
Yuck
umbral rapids
No u
umbral rapids
But but
balmy condor
storm perch
Zap is superior with haste build
storm perch
Cause buffs do everything for you
balmy condor
Very painful
umbral rapids
Veeeeryyyy painful
balmy condor
Ryfie had to switch his strikes to versatiles cause the dot from alunza in atal one shot him in a 27 two weeks ago
And he’s just sitting there
storm perch
Oh my...
balmy condor
Fort week btw
Temple conduction on first boss also rips peoples ass in half
You either cloak or you die
storm perch
Is there gonna be maintenance today?
balmy condor
There already was
storm perch
Patch with sl?
balmy condor
No
They merged servers
And added some background code in preparation
Probably assets and some core refactoring
Nothing insane
The patch was like 60mb
storm perch
How much crit in % do you have for m+ build?
storm perch
I got 45, but have some crit proc corruption on it
paper verge
geez i have so much to learn reading all this xD
balmy condor
Deadly momentum is fine
umbral rapids
What’s your rogue’s name Whispyr
umbral rapids
I hate you
storm perch
Are y using cancel aura for bote?
vernal lichen
for pve openers in the pins it says g1 g2 g3, does that mean apply garrote to 3 targets? or apply garrote 3 times to 1 target?
balmy condor
No
umbral rapids
Which server ?
storm perch
Or it's not abig gain?
umbral rapids
@vernal lichen 3 targets
vernal lichen
mk ty
balmy condor
The number shows the target you’re hitting
umbral rapids
mk to you too
vernal lichen
and then r1 the 4th target? or the 3rd
storm perch
Guess in pins were aoe openers
umbral rapids
1st one actually
balmy condor
So in 2 targets you would g1 g2 g1
umbral rapids
Which server
balmy condor
3 garrotes into a CT into a rupture into a fok spam
I’m on a52
;-; no bully
I’m actual trash
balmy condor
?
umbral rapids
idk
umbral rapids
That’s the only rogue i find on a52
balmy condor
My in game has a character
umbral rapids
Called whispyr
paper verge
have 2 quick questions..so i run exp build with one r3 stars for most of the st fights in nya..I'd like to switch that out..should i go more expedients? and in keys what trinkets go well with ss exas build?
balmy condor
WHISPYR WAS ALREADY IN USE
@paper verge more exped, vita + plume/gcb/coral
Coral being the worst option
paper verge
i also finally got an ashvanes today
balmy condor
Dice work good too
paper verge
ahh ok tysm
storm perch
You should aim for 7x 3exp and 1x 2exp
quiet radish
i hate how coral 455 with socket sims higher than plum 😦
shadow wedge
quiet radish
im at 74% haste unbuffed it still has a +800
umbral rapids
Whispyr is mvp
balmy condor
Truuuuuu
I need to actually push keys this week tho
I quit for 3 months in this patch
So it looks real shitty
paper verge
awesome thanks guys I'll go for that then
strange python
Sin players have egos thinking they are upcoming talent so u being humble is better than all of that shit
storm perch
We are not talents
paper verge
lone I can't even handle thing from beyond that well yet soo i def have 0 ego
lo
lol*
storm perch
Just an A grade class in game
balmy condor
And not have like 9 people instantly go NO YOU CANT DO THAT YOURE NOT SELLING MYTHIC KILLS AND RUNNING +27 KEYS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And then me sitting here going haha discord man go brrrrr
storm perch
Running 54 corruption for heal logs
balmy condor
Good thing to do
umbral rapids
You’re 10 times the player i am
balmy condor
Curiosity fosters learning
umbral rapids
vital raptor
things from beyond are the healers problem
balmy condor
Facks
umbral rapids
I should push this week but jesus christ I’m lazy
Huh? Play outlaw and say fuck to thing from beyond
balmy condor
Outlaw 
umbral rapids
That 3 targeys cleave on last boss
balmy condor
umbral rapids
My man was pumping
balmy condor
Yeah he used a full raid haste set
They got 70% from cannons
So he was only there for boss damage
storm perch
Interesting to see what will happen to mdi in sl with target limits
balmy condor
Smaller pulls
storm perch
Was wondering mages also got target limits for aoe?
sick oyster
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
harsh anchor
Am I trolling if use racing pulse
harsh anchor
Dope - it's filler until I finish my last 2 expedient
balmy condor
with a lot of exped's it gets really good tho
sims higher than HM3 for some people in the final build
honest vessel
does feint work on thing from beyond without elusiveness?
balmy condor
no
honest vessel
coo
buoyant elbow
I'm using raidbots to sim dps.. and it has Garrotte uptime at 96% on a 1 boss, Patchwerk style fight, 5 minutes... is this broken?
buoyant elbow
If you're in a boss fight for 5 constant minutes, unless you vanish, you can't have Garrotte uptime of 96%...
garrotte 18 seconds, vanish 2 min cooldown to reapply
buoyant elbow
Are you kidding me? Am I this stupid, hold on a moment 😄
Logging into the game to look at something
dense blaze
Oh boy.
stark patio
Lol
buoyant elbow
I'm a moron
vast forum
not knowing garrote is no longer a stealth only ability
drifting cloud
its fine atleast you have it on bars outside of stealth
buoyant elbow
I haven't played Assassination since WotLK
balmy condor
happens to all of us
buoyant elbow
I played Subtlety and to me it was always an instealth ability
balmy condor
everyone derps a little
buoyant elbow
It's ok if you want to point and laugh a little lol
strange python
hey, any M nzoth tips?
balmy condor
don't die
dense blaze
Do what your raid needs
drifting cloud
ask your raid leader
dense blaze
I used it on Psychus for prog and these days it's like one fire mage using combust on him and rest of the CDs are for boss damage
strange python
we are starting prog right now so i dont really have an idea about the damage
carapace was actually pretty easy, so i think it's worth saving burst for nzoth
do you guys prefer plumage
or galecaller?
bold remnant
everyone seems to use vita but my 475 dice sims higher trust sim or follow the pack?
devout fiber
Guys
balmy condor
vita
devout fiber
I think my WoW or AAP is bugged
balmy condor
for the party puff
devout fiber
It's telling me to pickup quests that just aren't there
balmy condor
that's AAP
north pond
whats max corrupt i should be at? im exang bleed haste build
balmy condor
no higher than 59 in raid imo
if you're doing prog, 39 is good to not have ridiculous tfb procs
vital haven
hey man i had to get 20k echoes
you know how many weeks i had to resist the urge to gamble
naive lynx
what's that o.O
vital haven
its bis azerite setup for fast fights
shut garnet
time to beat nibren?
arctic walrus
@light jacinth this guy's talkin shit
vital haven
shut garnet
light jacinth
look at this dudeeeee
idc if someone beats me
i got r1 idc anymore
raid logging to play runescape 
strange python
r1 poggers
fallow otter
@vital haven damn is actually 850dps switching shoulders for 3min fight from goraks
shut garnet
i imagine the chest isnt as big
since ur dropping 10ilvls on SS as well
but probably still a 1.2-1.3k dps up having double clockwork on 3 min
fallow otter
Yeah I don't have chest, so didn't sim
fallow otter
That's quite alot, I want expecting that much
fallow otter
Yes
Works fine but I'm not doing anything high
Only like 22, 23
I should point out that when you say exang build im assuming you mean full haste raid
strange lichen
do you guys use focused resolve or unbridled on single target? focused right?
solar pendant
People still running outlaw for mythic nzoth?
fallow otter
Yes but there is no need if you have some cleave in your raid
@strange lichen focused for St for my sim
strange lichen
k thanks, maybe i'm not seeing in my sims
strange python
@fallow otter yes full haste build, I thought I was the only one using it.
balmy condor
yeah people here love full haste
it works well in some dungeons
you would just go a raid build
with hod and stuff
EB needs crit so that kinda sucks
strange python
My full haste build has more dps in sim for dungeon compared to my outlaw. So I scrap all@my outlaw gear I’m sin full time now lol
balmy condor
simming dungeons is pretty troll
multi-target is difficult to judge
and it'll be different from week to week
strange python
Ok, I love my sin rouge, he just melts bosses in dungeons, but only doing +15-17 though I’m not that high end gamer lol
fallow otter
Yeah haste build just fine
vernal lichen
what dungeons drop good daggers?
balmy condor
TD
balmy condor
mhm
balmy condor
I mean, won't matter
but I think jes
there's a good KR dagger too
and junkyard
and uhhhhhhhhhh
I think that's it
wait no atal also has a haste dagger
proven moth
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
balmy condor
There’s also guides up top and in the pins for further knowledge
unreal imp
I've looked at those, just trying to figure out whether it's more worth gambling for 480 chest or shoulders between Assassination and Outlaw
balmy condor
Really up to what you play and where you play it
I would suggest droptimizer as well
unreal imp
Currently have a Circlet of Enveloping Leviathan or Stygian Guise for helm. Tentacle-Laced Spaulders for Shoulders. (All 480) And a 465 Vest of Reverent Adoration. Haven't had luck with Heroic N'zoth or Carapace.
Group killed Vex Mythic last week though might not be back there for a bit, and any Mythic Carapace or N'zoth would be far off if ever with this group.
There's seems to be roughly 2 out of the 7 pieces for each slot that are worthwhile. But I don't know if replacing bad-meh shoulders is worthwhile over trying to get a 480 chest first. With access to Vex.
I don't play sin in raid currently, was trying to get a setup for it, but I've been optimized towards Outlaw. Never daggers from Ra-Den, but two bad statted 475 daggers
mystic osprey
Is there an easy way to see if you clip an empowered garrote without looking at cast and timeline logs? Or any of my esg bleeds?
weary badger
Does raden drop daggers?
drifting cloud
no