It's only a matter of time
#assassination
formal willow
how do i link top gear? can i just paste the url?
balmy condor
what a concept
normal olive
don't give people ideas
normal olive
pale tiger
pale tiger
whisp could you help pls 🙂
normal olive
formal willow
whats so bad about infinite stars?
pale tiger
its not expedient
formal willow
well it was the hot shit when i geared the toon
kinda went low effort for a while then and things... changed
balmy condor
it was the hot shit at the very start because we didn't have a vendor
now we have a vendor
and we can choose to not suffer by the hands of IS
pale tiger
back when the corruption vendor wasn't a thing a single infinite stars could fill your budget nicely for ST
but now we have options
and there are better options
also it got nerfed really early on right?
pale tiger
i've literally never used it on any toon
everyone talks about the animation being cool
and i just can't relate
formal willow
so i just fill up with expedient anyways?
tropic ocean
Is is shit on st too
fallow otter
Fear my rank 1 tendy
tropic ocean
Imagine in 2 minutes with avg 190% haste
pale tiger
yeah if you want to rng parse tendies are strictly better
balmy condor
but you need more exped/haste for exsang
normal olive
other then mechagon rings i don't think i can improve anything without mythic raiding right?
normal olive
Well that's something i don't count on
balmy condor
and obviously you're missing sockets
but in terms of like the items you should be looking for, no
fallow otter
other then mechagon rings i don't think i can improve anything without mythic raiding right?
@normal olive pretty much
normal olive
yeah got 13 vision runs but i can't do more then 2 a day
normal olive
i'm sorry
fallow otter
Im going to do as many as I can when I get home
normal olive
fallow otter
I hope I don't get brain damage
pale tiger
i died 5 today and they're actually so much less annoying after the leaden foot nerf
balmy condor
pale tiger
did*
balmy condor
fallow otter
i died 5 today and they're actually so much less annoying after the leaden foot nerf
@pale tiger its like smashing your face with a smaller hammer
Still sucks
Still give brain damage
fallow otter
I prefer solo 5 mask
pale tiger
just let me trade coalescing visions for sockets already blizz pls
normal olive
They could be fun but the fire feet thingy is so annoing
normal olive
Wait, you get more momentos for doing them with people?
balmy condor
no
fallow otter
Yeh like 2.7k with 5
pale tiger
yeah thats fake news
normal olive
Yeah that's what i thought
fallow otter
Well that's what I said
pale tiger
youre probably just missing crystals or not killing all the mobs or something
balmy condor
it doubles it and then divides it between the 2 people
tropic ocean
you said you get less mementos from soloing
fallow otter
I don't miss
tropic ocean
but thats not correct
formal willow
well ok so i stick to IS for now it seems. thanks whispyr
tropic ocean
isnt everyone in sin-channel
steel ridge
Does everyone from the group need the vessel for entry or just one guy?
balmy condor
everyone
normal olive
balmy condor
that would be busted as fuck
fallow otter
well ok so i stick to IS for now it seems. thanks whispyr
@formal willow but why
Nothing else I guess
fallow otter
Yuck
formal willow
well i have 5x expedient sitting in my bag
fallow otter
With expedient up right now that seems like fake news
normal olive
xD
balmy condor
we're going back into that IS nonsense
formal willow
and i got 13k titan residium
balmy condor
well idc bout your residium
formal willow
but i dont know if i want to gamble or to wait for 20k to buy the thing i want
fallow otter
Someone might be playing exang for the first time soon
formal willow
yes, its like the dark side is beckoning me
fallow otter
I got is3 legs from chest this week
balmy condor
you are one sick twisted man
fallow otter
Insta purge
fallow otter
Sim bait
balmy condor
yeah
fallow otter
Don't bite
balmy condor
I'll find the next best solution for you
fallow otter
When you say 5x exp do you mean a 2 and a 3 or 5x exp3?
normal olive
for the memes
balmy condor
its like VoP major except somehow even worse
balmy condor
sounds like a mess
tropic ocean
pretty sure it uptime is too low
normal olive
if i had enough echoes for all the shit i think about the game could be so much fun
fallow otter
I ran vop major 3x np for a bit
tropic ocean
to make it even remotely viable
balmy condor
we all ran vop major for a bit
formal willow
i have 5x rank 3 expedient
balmy condor
but it's still garbage
balmy condor
except even the luckiest of NP builds
fallow otter
150 points of expedient bro
fallow otter
IS going bye bye
formal willow
well 75 is is an improvement over 125 atleast
balmy condor
yeah and I didn't have iterations to sim traits
so uh
oh yikes
no exsang for you buddy
you're stuck with MA/TB
could do this
but your SS azerite aint strong enough to beat TB
pale tiger
MA 
balmy condor
subterfuge sidegrade
could run subt
but it would be subt without SS
so pick your poison
formal willow
ok
formal willow
chest is my weakest ss part right?
formal willow
ok, then i hope for ilgynoth shoulders and buy gorak tul when i get my 20k residium
fallow otter
The comparison of is
normal olive
balmy condor
I know how to sim
but yeah, if you do 3 min, it'll devalue IS a fair amount
the shorter the fight, the less IS does
formal kraken
How can you track if the garrote applied is empowered or not through with an aura? Do they have different id or something?
balmy condor
have to custom code it
read the combat log and check for garrotes applied during subterfuge
fallow otter
It's only like 15s
balmy condor
and also check for casts of exsang
fallow otter
I guess this is for mplus
formal willow
as soon as i have to switch targets in a fight the sims will be inaccurate anyways right?
balmy condor
as soon as you have more than 1 target yes
IS will tank
so I would suggest going with the sim stunk linked
balmy condor
I didn't see it happening
especially since he has a TTK chest
I couldn't get CT in
would be surprised if you managed it
should probably quit
if you do
steep plover
Jesus bro that tank had the same dps as me and the mage overall
normal olive
Warrior?
steep plover
Ye
steep plover
Wtf is thunderclap
steep plover
Listen idk shit about this game
normal olive
Prot goes brrr
balmy condor
^^
steep plover
Why does it do so much dmg
balmy condor
did you use crippling poison
steep plover
Ye
steep plover
Always do
balmy condor
that tank hated you
balmy condor
most prot wars run C&S
steep plover
Ye he was
balmy condor
which gives them a root
normal olive
for the root
steep plover
Oh
steep plover
Jesus
balmy condor
I learned that the hard way like 2-3 weeks ago
balmy condor
and then wonder was like
steep plover
So probs best to turn of crippling if u get a prot war?
steep plover
Sweet
balmy blade
I'll try it today with my teammates, I dont think my criplings dr dudus roots...
balmy condor
it definitely does
balmy blade
as i said, will try
balmy condor
I didn't believe it either
but my prot war started screamin at me
and it was confirmed by ryfie
and a bunch of other people
normal olive
balmy condor
I closed the tabs
balmy condor
i didn't try that
normal olive
IS on Hivemind 
balmy blade
Whispyr, but roots in pve dont have DR... you can root mob (Spotter in sob for example) for ages
balmy condor
I'm aware
fallow otter
Yeah but because you are using his it will keep his equipped gear at the top
fallow otter
Yep exactly
I would put exp3 on 475 bits
And farm more hard
Tonight
If I were you
Then follow the Azerite for what build to play
As it drops
formal willow
only on 475 bits with haste?
balmy condor
you can exped 465+ tbh
umbral rapids
I exped 465
umbral rapids
In most slots you won’t wait 475s
fallow otter
Yeah you can but that is personal preference and how much access to upgrades you have
umbral rapids
Apart from those that drop from raid
formal willow
yeah the ring set i will exp i think
umbral rapids
If carapace is available to you sure
fallow otter
One thing to love about new build is no more need for outlaw on any boss or trash
balmy condor
daggers you would at least do 470 cara's or 475 wrathion's
normal olive
Outlaw 
formal willow
yeah i played shrouded build last patch and i loved it
umbral rapids
@balmy condor yeah by the time I get wrathion tho 
balmy condor
that's the best I can do forcing IS out
normal olive
Trying to get Wrathion too
umbral rapids
I don’t care enough to farm it anyway
normal olive
I'm a EU andy
balmy condor
yeah you could
umbral rapids
I just cba
normal olive
I pug the first 3 every week
umbral rapids
I’d raid with my guild if I could but I already pug raden on my dh twice a week lol
So I’m def not pugging mm on my rogue on top of that
normal olive
My sims tell me that warthion dagger is 500 dps upgrade so i do as the sims guide
balmy condor
yeah mainhand wrathion is hype
normal olive
If i get it i have more then 0% vers 
normal olive
Didn't even try to get it to 0% it just happened
balmy condor
lmao
fallow otter
Horde NA
balmy condor
imagine being ally eu
formal willow
@fallow otter @balmy condor anyway you've been a great help. thanks guys
balmy condor
np
scarlet sequoia
np
balmy condor
raz thinks he gets credit for everything just cause he wrote a guide
fallow otter
But they good at mog comps
fallow otter
Raz lost but got probs pressing buttons
normal olive
balmy condor
umbral rapids
Not cool whispyr
balmy condor
:()
normal olive
Wish i could try to find a mythic guild but i'm stuck in a dead 4 people guild because "i'll get people to join don't worry" 
umbral rapids
Are they forcing you to stay somehow ?
balmy blade
😄
balmy condor
its stockholm syndrome
umbral rapids
Are they holding you against your will ?
normal olive
A friend paid for my server trans to this new server so we can find a guild together and now he wants to make his own
balmy condor
blink twice if we need to get you out of there
normal olive
normal olive
He's talking with old buddys of his he mythic raided with so dunno what's happening
steep plover
Is it worth farming for 465 pieces to corrupt or u reckon if i have a 460 version its chill?
balmy condor
depends of what
steep plover
Not rings
balmy condor
probably not
steep plover
Its hands crit/vers for m+
steep plover
Im using crit/mast rn but i feel like i need some more vers
Maybe ill just wait it out its not gna make or break ay
balmy condor
you won't notice much of a differnce
I would wait till severe3 and strike3 show up
and go from there
steep plover
I got 2 pieves with free expedient 1s past 2 weeks when running 5 mask HVs how good
Ye true
balmy condor
get symfony to buy me dinner
umbral rapids
Uber eats dinner
steep plover
He can buy us all dinner
steep plover
Oh
balmy condor
go find some other blue boy
umbral rapids
????????????????
umbral rapids
steep plover
Be like ghandi
normal olive
balmy condor
so does temple
balmy condor
normal olive
Got the 3 spells ring 5 times last week and never got the from behind ring to drop
umbral rapids
Yeah I did a run yesterday
balmy condor
just get luckier
normal olive
umbral rapids
steep plover
Is there a way to put corruption on a piece and compare on raidbots?
normal olive
Gear Compare
balmy condor
yeah either that or you add the bonus ID
steep plover
Sweet ty
scarlet sequoia
np
balmy condor
tawdry bramble
balmy condor
bed bed time, E is the most common letter in the english language. Also if anyone needs help, @scarlet sequoia has been so kind as to give up his entire friday afternoon in form of an AMA, make sure to hit him up for that
love you all 
scarlet sequoia
no
balmy condor
arctic walrus
nobody helps unless you're around
balmy condor
that's 100% not true
scarlet sequoia
youre the new zine
before being a shadowblade got to his head
now he has a real life
shut garnet
succumbed by power
arctic walrus
shut garnet
balmy condor
Zine was lost the moment he started writing his name in fancy fonts
lets get real
I don't trust anyone with weird fonts for discord names
slim estuary
I just upgraded my elvui... what the fuck happened?! My UI is all fucky now
strange python
?
balmy condor
Check Ui scale
slim estuary
My HOA bar just teleoported across the screen
balmy condor
Oh that’s not ui scale
strange python
ye idk the update reset some settings
strange python
mine just added bac kthe chat panels
balmy condor
I don’t know honestly cause everything’s Mouseover
fallow otter
lol
you're the new zine
gotta up your toxic level by like 15
comes in the form of condescension
crimson palm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aZfdLy6LmhjGUH5sAuPach why is the game doing this to me
strange python
gcb too good
steel ridge
69 corruption? Nice
scarlet sequoia
thats a big sim!
echo cargo
sims nuts 👀
strange python
Can I still get these?
warm parcel
most yes
strange python
I think mage tower one is the only one you can't?
warm parcel
Thats one Im sure you cannot get. Not sure if the qline one is still obtainable
Balance of power one
strange python
a druid in my guild got it a couple months ago
so should be obtainable for rogues aswell
warm parcel
Alright then it should be all but mage tower
strange python
Wait
but isnt it from completing a m15?
in time?
forums said +15 bfa works
I did a +15
but i don't have it
I have the achievement tho
warm parcel
You obtain all these appearances by having the artifact skin equipped afaik
At least was in legion
warm parcel
I would assume you just mog your weapons to the assa skins and do stuff while having the appearance
Back then it was simply having the weapon itself equipped
warm parcel
Thats the pvp one
gusty olive
Ä° hope shadowlands brings really good transmogs... bfa was shit at it
strange python
it's really hard
to find a good transmog
for a undead
leather from first raid has a wizard hat @gusty olive 8)
and all boots I've seen looks like plate boots
I feel like this is the only one
that looks semi decent
but as u can see
it looks way better on a blood elf
strange python
racial felt pretty nice in raid before haste stack
warm parcel
yea for utility its great
both in 5mans and pvp
poor paladins thinking bop going to save them
warm parcel
Its a magic buff
steel ridge
whats bop?
strange python
Kinda makes sense considering mage can spellsteal it
warm parcel
Blessing of protection
Just if they have more than one buff, its going to be a chance as its random what you get
shut garnet
ngl tho from what i heard torrent was kinda fuckin crazy
dim estuary
best race for rogue is orc then ? pve wise
shut garnet
numbers wise at full gear, probably NE
like NE/human/troll in some random order depending on gear im p sure
shut garnet
fallow otter
nice ill do that
simming gems atm then ill put the racial on it
rogue is pretty much dunzo for gear
feels good
gems takes forever
dim estuary
ok thanks, well for 1k dps at 480 ilvl (since i'm horde) i think it's negligeable at this point i guess
i'm blood elf
fallow otter
me2
dim estuary
- dispell can be useless tho
fallow otter
we dont exactly need the energy these days 🙂
dim estuary
but is it me or some years ago blood elf was simming better due to the energy
vast forum
when we weren't constantly overcapping, ye
wet ruin
1k is not negligible dps though
sleek tusk
belf will be nice when shadowlands gimps our haste to 3% again tho
zinc folio
yo what breakpoints do I have to look out for as assassination in raids?
scarlet sequoia
34% crit
zinc folio
do I need to keep an eye on haste at all?
mellow pier
As much haste until ur sim tells u to gem mastery
zinc folio
oh sweet, ty
calm cedar
Hi guiys - Newer sin rogue here and have a quick question - How do I maintain my DPS in AOE situations? I use fan of knives to apply poison ticks to everything but struggle to keep garrote up on 4 targets at the same time. It'
calm cedar
I run subterfuge so I tend to try to spam garrote initially on as many targets as I can.
strange python
u can do 3 during subt window
calm cedar
Okay. Is it important to build combo points before each application?
Or rupture, that is
Of*
strange python
yes
calm cedar
So basically run a single rotation between 4 targets over and over?
strange python
fok to build
rupture or envenom to spend
oh and crimson tempest ofc if u have it talented
calm cedar
Okay. So ignore mutil;ate in AoE situations?
strange python
yes
fallow otter
run 1 or 2 EB hit bote and spam FoK
strange python
I cant remember how many targets u need to go +-0 with energy
how many targets with rupture*
calm cedar
All the guides state 4 targets
fallow otter
thats scuffed these days with all the haste we have
mellow pier
Are u playing m+?
strange python
crit/vers or crit/mastery in keys
Nurux is probbaly better at helping than me
since i play outlaw in m+
calm cedar
Yeah - Just getting into it and don't want to be a shit rogue. I do fine with my rotiations in single target scenarios but AoE just kills me
mellow pier
Same lol
calm cedar
I am runing 2x SS and 2x DD
mellow pier
HoD is better if u got it
fallow otter
get an EB or 2 and go HoD or TTK
mellow pier
EB is good but not needed if u got 3xSS
calm cedar
Okay. Looks like I need to replace a few pieces with different azerite traits
I am a bit confused about SS though as the points don't stack coming from stealth via garrot. I assume the damage ticks do?
mellow pier
@calm cedar if u wanna do strictly m+ look for crit verse gear. If u want to try raiding Haste gear. Raid set works decently well in m+
calm cedar
I really appreciate all the insight here. This has been really helpful.
I have raidbots elite
fallow otter
see if we can juggle some stuff
mellow pier
I run raid sin set in junkyard/workshop/KR
fallow otter
post a sim
calm cedar
WWhat fight?
fallow otter
dungeonslice
calm cedar
Feel free to laugh at my probably shitty setup as I am still learning to put things together 😄
fallow otter
nah no laughing
calm cedar
sim inc. one sec
fallow otter
i wanna help
fallow otter
calm cedar
pastebin
fallow otter
the /simc ye
calm cedar
fallow otter
kk
strange python
what do u juggle?
fallow otter
traits 🙂
strange python
what do u mean
fallow otter
100% should take EB over rupture agi
calm cedar
He swaps the trait IDs attached to my armor I am guessing with ones he thinks will be more beneficial
Then sims results
fallow otter
in short tho laz
stealth to pack, gar 3x then rupture one
spam FoK for combos
rupture some others that have gar on
never ever put gar on a target that already has empowered gar on it
let it expire
then refresh
calm cedar
I am going to need to get better at target selection then as I have a problem at times during large pulls keeping on the same 3-4 targets
sleek pecan
u only have these 2 trinkets right?
calm cedar
Yeah
calm cedar
Yeah - my guild has done a good job of getting me into shape gear wise so that's not my issue
calm cedar
Roger that!
fallow otter
at the moment
calm cedar
I need to head into some normal dungeons and work on my AoE rotation and target selection skills today
Based on what you are telling me
calm cedar
One other thing - I tried Sin weak auros and it seemed really busy. Hard to keep track of. Should I stick with it?
fallow otter
i use afenar
mellow pier
I make my own
fallow otter
ive tweaked it but its close
mellow pier
But that takes some time to learn
calm cedar
It would be handy to have something that helps keep track of garrot windows
mellow pier
U can search wago to find ones that fit ur style
calm cedar
Yeah - That's one of the things I want weak auros for.
cold nebula
I'm trying the Exang build out and it mentions I should be using Vanish and Vendetta at the same time, I normally pull with Garrote but was wondering if when I have Vendetta and Vanish off CD should I Vendetta first or Vanish first? Also should I Garrote to get out of stealth after vanish even if my target already has Garrote DoT on them ?
calm cedar
I can;t track that easily manually with everything else going on. I tend to use it early and waste energy
mellow pier
@cold nebula first vanish is after ur empowered garrore falls off after exsang
mellow pier
Dont overrite empowered garrote or exsang garrote
After those 2 just keep refreshing in pandemic
calm cedar
So let the first garrot bleed out?
fallow otter
yes
mellow pier
If u use a SM garrote dont overrite
cold nebula
Okay so I do opener, apply everything, exang to remove bleeds, vanish, then garrote and continue as normal. Later in the fight once vanish and vendetta are off CD at the same time I vanish, garrote, then vendetta and do that every time both are off Cd again?
fallow otter
wait for vanish for 2nd vendetta
mellow pier
After 2nd vanish they will line up
cold nebula
Yeah but the prio order is Vanish > Garrote > Vendetta right? if everything is off CD mid fight?
for 3rd or 4th vendetta if fight lasts that long ofc
mellow pier
That will work yes
Make sure u get 2 garrote casts every vanish
So a garrote rupture garote or garrote garrote envenom
Or some variation
fallow otter
you can go into vanish with 3 combos, then vanish garrote envenom garrote mut vendetta rupture exang
mellow pier
Its all dependant on what u have up atm
cold nebula
Thanks so much, there's a lot of intricacies to this class that I haven't quite mastered yet but am looking forward to learning more about. This is probably the friendlies class discord I've been in, thanks for all the help
noble pilot
Does anyone have a weakaura that accurately displays pandemic time for Rupture based on combo points? I've tried some on wago but they don't seem to work properly
cold nebula
Neither, Blood of the Enemy atm as only got BotE last night, 9k/10k for rank 2 though so should get that today
fallow otter
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calm cedar
Thanks for the links - will check them out!
sacred trench
Is there a good guide for Sin corruptions?
fallow otter
@sacred trench expedient is all you need to know
(raid)
its still good in m+ also
cold nebula
Do you guys know of any youtubers who do in depth M+ guides specifically for rogues? nothing to do with rotation necessarily but things like important skips and when to shroud and which doors to unlock etc
calm cedar
Thanks @fallow otter - Much appreciated dude. Will give all this some practice time today
fallow otter
you're welcome bro
@cold nebula not that i have seen, not the ones that have done most of them, just experience
you can youtube specific things
calm cedar
Is there a way to reset Azerite traits on gear or nah?
fallow otter
like how to get all the buffs on TD
for example
yep, to the right of transmog guy
same room
where you get seals
calm cedar
okay. I am already right there. lol
Does it randomiuze them again or just let you re-pick from same traits?
calm cedar
Perfect.
sleek pecan
azerite gear is not random each piece has its specific set of traits
fallow otter
oh you want different traits? or to pick different ones it has?
dim estuary
@sacred trench expedient is all you need to know
@fallow otter but crit build will do better in mm+ right ?
fallow otter
azerite has set traits
yeh in m+ you want crit but exp still does vgood and then u can use it for raid
but even then you can use crit for DD + TB build and its good
but not best
gotta lean one way
fallow otter
alot of answer in the pins
read through them, probably has info you didnt think to ask
dim estuary
did not think about that but haste + crimson tempest is the thing that makes expediant build not that bad in aoe ?
fallow otter
once you get enough haste you use CT for ST
thats how good it is
check the difference for dungeon slice with expedient vs severe vs strikethrough
its so close that i went expedient coz i main raid
actually i should sim EB
that will bump it up
that will show more accurately
proven schooner
Around how much haste should I have before I run crimson
dim estuary
playing expediant + EB fits nice for me i guess
fallow otter
@fleet anchor is a god on the rogue api so you can just rely on the sim
ive got so much haste i dont even need an EB.... wow
dim estuary
lmao
dim estuary
to resume : i can play EB + regular haste build waiting for enough haste to play exsanguinate
wet ruin
non stealth garrote hits like a wet noodle
@strange python thats just wrong
fallow otter
@dim estuary prio is SS traits
willow drum
At what level of haste does lucid dreams fall off?
fallow otter
for m+
willow drum
im currently at around 50% ish base
fallow otter
for raid?
willow drum
already using iris because i havent gotten my hands on BotE yet
the grind is just so slow
im 15k in
sacred trench
Right now I'm outlaw so its all crit/strikethrough but thinking about switching sin for raids.
strange python
@wet ruin that was compared to fok in aoe situations with EB gear
proven schooner
What about replacing it with formless
willow drum
rn im running BotD major with Iris, Formless and Lucid minor
fallow otter
our raid has like 95% formless uptime and its still close in the sim with iris for me
for dog boss
so i just go iris
fallow otter
got clf?
fallow otter
if you are going bote you can just use that
just coz farming both probably just gonna be annoying
willow drum
the issue with getting BotE is the fact that i didnt really do any Bgs on rogue, and therefore am far from completion, i got the honor on my pala but i kinda got tired of it since i only really get upgrades from waiting for masterful to be in the shop
so i have to get it on pala
wet ruin
@strange python EB was never mentioned by neither 😄
fallow otter
yeh thats the fastest way by the sounds of it
to get bote
forget about clf
too much effort when you can just bote major anyway
strange python
@wet ruin mby not but it was m+ we were talking about, non stealth garrote obviously doesnt hit like a wet noodle in haste gear
willow drum
i mean i did 3 bgs today and the issue is the fact that 1/3 of people are either afk or have 100-200k hp
wet ruin
people play raid gear in m+ as well 
willow drum
farming on alliance is really not fun
i'd love if i could get it
through arena
but guess not :^)
we here at blizzard wants to gate content
cuz u need on average 100 bg wins to get it
its just :(
strange python
@wet ruin it was a simple misunderstanding dunno why u wanna keep arguing about it xd
calm cedar
@fallow otter - Just went to normal Freehold solo and wow. Numbers WAY better. Still sloppy as fat as garrote and rupture stacks being maintained on multiple targets, but the oppener flows smoothly into the FOK/Envenom spam. Thanks again! Still lots of work to do but I am in the ballpark now
strange python
but yes, how I wrote my message was simply wrong @wet ruin
wet ruin
I was not arguing, just stating things
fallow otter
@calm cedar nice one bro, yeh it will become auto pilot then you can finetune from there
void pivot
Boys, i keep getting called boosted trash in mythics because my dps is shit and i have no idea why, character is new ~8 days old and this is what comes up when i sim it, any help would be appreciated. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rYqabQUyxqGzJHjFvCgC5N
patent topaz
willow drum
get the essences, weapons and corruption and a bit more ilvl and ur gucci
u can roll with crucible/BotD untill u get BotE
tired quiver
anyone know at what haste level people swap to formless void instead of lucid? Sims say keep lucid with 69% haste but i wasnt sure how accurate sims were with counting that minor essence
I got vita 475 last night thats why im bringing up.
lean marten
when it sims higher
tired quiver
and its still better to use vita even tho my dragnonscale sims 500dps higher? lol
timid coral
the group benefit from vita will beat +500 personal DPS from dragonscale
strong wigeon
anyone know when to use fan of knives?
devout fiber
I'm struggling with Rotation
This is the talents I use for PVE I am level 105
I know these talents are more suited for PvP but I cba to keep changing it
Mark of Death, Rupture, Garrote, Toxic Blade, Mutilate, Envenom?
Is that correct?
steep plover
While lvling vigor and leeching/cheat death is probs better
And elaborate
Oh sorry i thought u were asking which talents to use my bad LOL
devout fiber
Nah that helps
@steep plover Would the talents I had in the photo be better suited for PvP?
Now I'm using this
steep plover
U can change ur talents when u load into pvp tho
Like when the count down is happening
devout fiber
Rotation wise, how would I open on a mob for example
strange python
Start in stealth, use garrote, rupture, garrote
devout fiber
Garrote twice?
strange python
Use toxic blade at like 4cp
devout fiber
Then Evis
strange python
so you can start using envenom immediately
devout fiber
Sometimes I get confused what to do
if I somehow get to 5 CP
from just the garrote and rupture
strange python
it's okay to use TB with 5cp
steep plover
He doesnt have ss i think
strange python
Honestly you could probably even switch to master assassin and just use mutilate out of stealth
steep plover
Are u using azerite traits?
steep plover
Ye so u wont have the traits
devout fiber
Does that change anything for me or my talents then?
strange python
I'd probably use master assassin then
steep plover
U just want to main bleeds and then use mutilates to build combo points and then envenom to use them
strange python
and use mutilate as your opener from stealth
steep plover
Ye u wont need subterfuge
devout fiber
Right so i'm switching subterfuge for MA
tropic ocean
Change smoke bomb with dmg pvp talent
steep plover
Honestly i dont remember how the rotation is at that lvl but id assume something like
Mutilate garrote rupture
Or garrote mutilate rupture
strange python
Mutilate probably hits harder from stealth at that point
steep plover
And then if its like a big target u vendetta mutilate toxic blade envenom then spam mutilates and enevenoms while maintaining bleeds
Ye true
Nws bro always trying to help
devout fiber
I don't vendetta after I put all my poisons on?
steep plover
Wdym
tropic ocean
Yeah you do
devout fiber
I thought vendetta is better when u already have ur posions
steep plover
Ye
tropic ocean
Mut garrote rupture
steep plover
The vendetta is after ur rupture
tropic ocean
Vendetta mut mut vanish tb envenom
devout fiber
Right so on one single mob i'm now openning with
i'm in stealth
My garrote no longer silences
cuz i have MA
tropic ocean
Yes
Mutilate garrote rupture vendetta mutilate mutilate vanish tb envenom
Repeat mut to 4cp envenom
Refresh bleeds if needed
devout fiber
Is vanish worth it on a single mob? I'm talking like
whislt leveling
Maybe for dungeons
tropic ocean
Its worth to use it
As much as possible
Same for vendetta
On a single mob need to care to not reset it
devout fiber
Right
Where does Toxic Blade come into that rotation?
After the Garrote and Rupture?
strange python
You'll want to use it right before you envenom
tropic ocean
As I wrote above
strange python
Get your bleeds on first (garrote & rupture) and then build up combo points, use toxic blade, envenom, mutilate til 4-5 cp, envenom, repeat
devout fiber
will do man
strange python
Rogues are fun. Honestly I'd recommend maybe leveling as Outlaw, but either work fine
Outlaw has more mobility, more aoe/cleave at that point, and not as reliant on stealth
ripe gulch
timid coral
manic harness
I'm watching Priest interview with Ion, what got changes about Rogues?
Serrated Bone Spike?
fleet whale
I doubt there is going to be much info specifically about rogues in this interview
considering Preach doesn't even play rogue
manic harness
They just mentioned rogues specifically, something got changed in beta
opaque tree
Why is DD simming higher than SS when at the end of almost every fight SS adds so much more damage overall and has higher burst?
I guess it’s just because there are not really any patchwerk fights in Nyalotha?
fleet whale
SS should sim higher than DD assuming you have the appropriate azerite and haste for it
silent crescent
Anything with cleave or long down time will be bad for DD compared to SS
tranquil dust
Would someone be able to help me to improve overall based on my logs? I'm about a week and a half into assassination and just need some direction. I know my cloak needs resistances upgraded so I can use more corruptions, but beyond that, any direction helps, especially is there is a giant flaw in rotation or something. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GFVfPQwzMWZ6cgr8/
strange python
Can any rogue gods help me out here 😳
@tranquil dust you probably want to change your gems/enchants to haste
and also start using shrouded suffocation instead of double dose
opaque tree
I wonder what got changed in beta that Lunareste is talking about
tranquil dust
@strange python should I go with more than 1 shrouded, or wait until my haste hits a certain %? Raidbots tends to think double dose pulls more damage at the moment, so I was worried to try to grab that trait.
strange python
@tranquil dust I dont think u ever wanna gar > mut > gar in opener
drifting cloud
get lucid, you dont have the gear to not use it
strange python
bronze topaz
i've read formless void pulls ahead as minor at short killtimes. for me it is not. at least raidbots says so. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/inGNGFSnVkZKpo1DgER1Tb what is 'wrong' with my gear?
strange python
also dont sprint to boss
u have 4 sec downtime at the start of the boss
and read up on openers
and practice it at a dummy
tranquil dust
Will do, I think I was following opener for shrouded suffocation but not using those traits. I can see that hurt me alot x.x
strange python
even then u dont gar > mut > gar
tranquil dust
Doesnt it empower garrote and extend the duration much longer as long as you have subterfuge?
tranquil dust
Oh
rancid bobcat
i dont think formless is ahead with clf major
tranquil dust
I guess that part I have some misunderstanding why rupture on only 1-2 combo points
tranquil dust
Oh
@strange python thanks man, I'll work on those and read through the guide
Also switching my essence back, I'm not sure why I had formless void on there
strange python
formless void sims better for some
drifting cloud
not for people with 2k haste
strange python
ye probably not
fleet anchor
@fallow otter haha I appreciate the kind words, but it's mostly just a lot of trial and error and good community contribution as well in the research threads. I think Rogue has both one of the most active TCer communities (since we have like 3-4 full-time TCers) but also one of the more engaged player communities in TC work. Means our sims are generally just going to be more reliable than a lot of specs because issues get found and fixed faster. It's always a WIP.
barren fiber
I've got a lot of crit and mastery, is it worth rerolling from sub to sin with dominantly crit and mastery corruptions?
mighty elm
if i cant reach 34% crit, should I go outlaw or sub?
rancid bobcat
ye
mental trout
i only have 465 head/shoulder/chest. which ones are the best to gamble on from vendor if i am looking for the best chance of an upgrade
opaque tree
When I'm simming for Nyalotha raid, which sim is probably best all around?
strange python
patchwerk
opaque tree
really? But so many fights have adds or light movement
which changes the azerite traits / enchants based on what I'm simming
even heavy movement on some
strange python
which fight makes u have 15% downtime?
opaque tree
and the other fights have adds right?
drifting cloud
dont ever use sims that have movement in them
strange python
yes