Oh well
#assassination
woven summit
One more question, Heart of Darknes or TTK if you had to choose?
For m+
I have 3x SS, 2x EB and now considering between Heart of Darkness and TTK
plain thistle
heart of darkness for sure
storm perch
sims still rate haste as 3rd best stat behind mastery and crit
@fading coyote don't look for stat weights. Always "top gear" for an item, so you know will it be your upgrade.
https://medium.com/raidbots/beware-of-stat-weights-240769a5323e
vast forum
stat weights depend on a lot of things
drifting cloud
cyan bone
xD
fading coyote
thanks guys
im switching items and simulationcraft dps
leave items which give me total highest dps
vast forum
use top gear
crimson palm
finally done with bfa
sharp mirage
Do pure expedient builds really sim better than mixing severe for most folks? Is there something about diminishing returns I'm missing?
ripe canyon
finally done with bfa
@crimson palm where is vers? ah yes....
crimson palm
all you need is 34% crit and you're a god amongst the mortals
storm perch
Do pure expedient builds really sim better than mixing severe for most folks? Is there something about diminishing returns I'm missing?
@sharp mirage yes and yes. There is no cap
manic pebble
@crimson palm can I see your gears?
crimson palm
no its a state secret
manic pebble
aight
steep plover
Would the raid build be better on siege this week?
wind totem
all you need is 34% crit and you're a god amongst the mortals
@crimson palm Is this about ST or about m+?
wind totem
I'm asking since I checked some of the top rogues on warcraftlogs for m+ and they seem to have around 60% crit.
wind totem
Sorry. I'm not up to date with the current rogue memes 😄
strange python
lol
shut garnet
negligible increase btw
strange python
1% haste too big 8)
that counts in meld aswell I think
with SS
and I don't think u can meld on bosses
shut garnet
doesnt meld give you SS on bosses, just not subterfuge?
wind totem
you can it just doesnt do anything
it used to
but I think they changed it in legion
wind totem
No. I haven't been a night elf for a while.
shut garnet
how meld-> g procs SS on the garrote applied
wind totem
It's pretty easy to test honestly. Just need a night elf rogue to try it out.
strange python
I think u cant use it on bosses anymore maiev
strange python
wait can u meld on bosses?
scarlet sequoia
if the 1% haste was that big then goblin would be good too
yes u can meld on bosses
u just cant press stealth
so u press meld > garrote
strange python
I see
scarlet sequoia
and garrote gets affected by ss traits
scarlet sequoia
nelf is prolly better than it says on sims as i doubt the apl is optimized very well
so prolly just throws meld out whenever
shut garnet
wouldnt you do it after the vanish garrote falls off
strange python
or before second exsang?
shut garnet
would be interesting to see how the apl handles it if any nelf rogue can post a sim 
or that yeah
muted ridge
shut garnet
n u t t y
mellow pier
I havent looked but i doubt thats in the apl
shut garnet
yeah in m+ even more so cuz u can actually restealth and proc subt
grizzled jay
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tEQLM5kMSuB88SwGx8E3M5 guessing I play with how the sim wants me to right ? one DD feels weird but seems that it's best
manic pebble
should I just put exp3 on it or wait for the right ring
manic pebble
I see
guess I'll slap exp3 on it first and get another exp3 for a spare later
thank you!
mellow pier
@grizzled jay if its only a 158 dps loss to do the ss its not super big if u prefer it
Tbh
grizzled jay
from what im seeing, triple shroud, with my setup is like 1K less
grizzled jay
if I scroll down, the first one to actually have the head I have with envenom/shroud is 1K below the best sim
wary ice
I have ur sim saying trilpe shroud is 200 less
wary ice
dif from top gear
mellow pier
Id just run the ss tbh lol
wary ice
this is the same entry; but diff from equipped
mellow pier
@grizzled jay also check ur gems
wary ice
you have a crit one in there and ur rings are crit enchanted
grizzled jay
maybe masterful/crit might be better
grizzled jay
oh fuck sorry yeah my dice is for outlaw lol
mellow pier
Too high
grizzled jay
ill change
grizzled jay
even unsocketed 460?
grizzled jay
I ll do a gear compare for it
mellow pier
With 3xss
wary ice
its somewhere in the like
grizzled jay
ill setup the 3ss build and just see what's what after a few more sims
mellow pier
But honestly if something sims within like 200 dps of one another
Just pick what u prefer
grizzled jay
oh yeah sure, this time it was 1K but maybe with better gems and enchants I ll get closer
wary ice
TBH im pretty sure ur getting 2ss 1dd cause swirling sands is >> any other major choice ur checking lol
grizzled jay
well yeah cause my envenom SS head is not BiS prolly
so the big crit is just better I guess
wary ice
yeah
Like heres 1200 crit and also an OP
the DD is just there cause its better than env
grizzled jay
btw my rings are crit enchanted cause a few weeks ago I did a SS sim and it wanted crit instead of haste
but I have some new corrupiton and gear now so I can try again
wary ice
Yeah trust ur sim on it
grizzled jay
sad that I wont get that triple SS burst:(
wary ice
BTW ur fucking crazy for corrupting that mecha ring
grizzled jay
why?
wary ice
Ur poisoning your loot rng
grizzled jay
😄
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rFf5BKZxwj6vXJHUUnz9Yi back to using gushing wounds for a while 
fiery cradle
how garbage is 3x ss w/ expedients in m+?
sullen pagoda
its decent
sullen pagoda
i actually like it much more than crit build
wary ice
also dependant on the dungeon tbh
fiery cradle
i just resubbed and basically can either buy corruption for m+ or raid and just trying 2 decide which is better 2 do
because my gear is hot shit garbage
serene osprey
haste does better in m+ than crit/crit% does in raid
pseudo narwhal
grizzled jay
depends on the level of dungeon. Like +20 just melts anyway so the raid setup isnt bad, especially on a tyrannical week
fiery cradle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s2yL3hrvYhsrcADHnPki93 huge pumper btw
grizzled jay
would recruit
fiery cradle
ty ty
mellow pier
Raid setup works for most things tbh
cyan bone
Do you guys think its worth going assa if you dont have any really good traits (only 1 ss) for raid this is
scarlet sequoia
nah unplayable
mellow pier
And i prefer it over outlaw for kr/workshop and even junkyard some weeks
mellow pier
CLF :(
cyan bone
why should you have honed mind btw? for the haste build?
pseudo narwhal
How are people so simming so much higher than i am 😦
mellow pier
At a certain point u will have too much resist
young vessel
well theres still some proc depending stuff
trim rain
anyone got tips on not overwriting exsanguinate bleeds besides "be better". idk if I can have my WA tell me I used it so I've just been seeing if it's on cd. new to the build just uses it on prog last night
mellow pier
Honed mind gets u more value at that point
rotund oak
why condensed life force though
mellow pier
If thats the case u should be playing formless
north marten
should i exsanguinate before bote on a prior target after doing a M+ opener
just trying to find where to fit exsang
crimson palm
Raz have you simmed anything for the 10 extra corr this week
grizzled jay
shouldnt you just choose clf or bote depending on which one sims higher? or is it a matter of kill time ?
mellow pier
CLF can bug out
scarlet sequoia
i havent simmed myself for over a month
young vessel
well clf sims like 700 higher
mellow pier
I dont like it lol
grizzled jay
bug out ? fuck!
rotund oak
bug out in what way?dunno im asking
crimson palm
There might be an upgrade for 30 corr or some shit
mellow pier
CLF is bad for most kill times too
scarlet sequoia
115k 😮
young vessel
ye
mellow pier
TF
young vessel
show sim if u can pls
young vessel
xd
mellow pier
What else can u even get lmao
young vessel
pic or didnt happen
crimson palm
At 79?
cyan bone
send sim plz raz xD
scarlet sequoia
59
crimson palm
On 5 mins?
crimson palm
Wut
young vessel
😮
crimson palm
No chance
mellow pier
I think i could sim 2k higher if i put clf and gcb
young vessel
no way on patchwerk
mellow pier
But gcb is big jebait
young vessel
unless its some crazy shit that we have no idea about
scarlet sequoia
😏
rotund oak
135k sounds craaazy
young vessel
i mean
hunters sim 135k which is dumb
so i can believe that
but it sounds crazy af xd
mellow pier
@crimson palm ur simming over 60?
crimson palm
Ye 79 is what im playing on all but nzoth
rotund oak
hunters are broken and scaling af
mellow pier
Oh ok
rotund oak
we need sims here,maybe some sweet tips from big boys to go above 105k :3
young vessel
@crimson palm @scarlet sequoia @mellow pier whats your haste % in town without food
im at 71% but i miss ton of sockets
scarlet sequoia
90%
rotund oak
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m7GYvVfTJ3mvgHRtXFf6M7 here is mine,missing some gems,haste on 77% unbuffed
mellow pier
81%
young vessel
dang
crimson palm
Mb at 59
crimson palm
Atm no slots to play 79
crimson palm
Don't get hit lul
crimson palm
Only thing that can kill you is double circle
And you got cloakx2 and cd to deal with it
mellow pier
I also dont have a piece i can add a 3 to atm
Thats another problem
I would need another carapace dagger
mellow pier
BB super good
rotund oak
yy,im using the hc version from lligynoth
which sucks compared to the +15ilv and crit proc
will lose some static stats but who cares
infexious on his vids says 34% crit is where the specc needs to be
is that accurate or we can play with a bit less
rotund oak
i mean taking eveyrhting into consideration,like gorak tuls and pre-pot,pot
rotund oak
thx alot
serene osprey
lol
strange python
Oh ffs dont meme the people who needs to know 😦
serene osprey
dire spoke
I don't know how to get my mastery up, I'm sitting at 34crit 32 mastery, can't really sac either for the other
or
idk
crimson palm
ye cant lose that 34% crit
rotund oak
just roll for the 4 pieces from doggo,xanesh etc
and play with 1 crit haste
some play with the drest gloves some with volatile power wrists
ripe gulch
yo i got expedient III (x7) and expedient II and only sim for 91k
am i doing something wrong?
dire spoke
link it
karmic zenith
In a high Freehold key, how do you avoid getting 1shot by the first boss? Pistol shot or Azerite powder shot? on a 18 it already pops my hp to 20% and I havea 21FH key I want to try tomorrow
crimson palm
feint
karmic zenith
Tyran week I know, but would be good to get a 20key next week for reset which is good to push
crimson palm
and you can los the cast behind a plank
karmic zenith
Ok, so it's pistol shot or Azerite powder shot I have to worry about?
rotund oak
for eveyrhting
shut garnet
pretty iffy azerite
sick oyster
@ripe gulch no mecha rings, no mythic azerite, shoulders are meh etc
shut garnet
missing 4 sockets
sick oyster
a lot to optimize with your gear tbh
karmic zenith
Ok, ty for the tips
ripe gulch
are the mechagon rings that important?
shut garnet
yep
ripe gulch
i see ppl simming for like 110k
rotund oak
huge dps pump
sick oyster
most high end sims are full bis gear so nothing you are doing "wrong"
ripe gulch
fuck
shut garnet
the effect itself is like 2k dps
ripe gulch
damn
shut garnet
pretty yuge
neon siren
Any more info on exped stacking for m+? ive got 25k echoes and 0 good corruptions. Dont think i want to wait 2 weeks for severe
shut garnet
well
ripe gulch
multiplied with all the expedients
shut garnet
did you buy those expedients you put on the rings today?
shut garnet
fair
ripe gulch
only had 10k echos
idk why the fuck i bought severes and strikethroughs
i only raid now
why did i buy m+ shit
whats the best shoulders btw
gorak tul?
modern quiver
what essences do you guys use for ny'a?
strange python
yes
crimson palm
extravagant for most bosses
ripe gulch
ok
strange python
clockheart ye
strange python
bc it's useless at high haste
sick oyster
yep energy overkill at some point
young vessel
so what setup do you guys recommend for HC echo run when usually there's no 2nd vendetta?
storm lava
strange python
bc it sims lower?
arctic venture
guys it really really makes difference using bleeding now?
on dps?
replacing toxic and poison
setting all that haste?
dire spoke
expedient scales better
arctic venture
but expedient will scales good with toxic and posion?
or that just count for bleeds?
steep obsidian
you need a fair bit of gear
and a LOT of expedient before it gets reall good
other builds are ok they just dont scale as well
arctic venture
@steep obsidian for bleeding?
tribal obsidian
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dire spoke
poisons are magic damage which scale with mastery for most of it
steep obsidian
yep
you can just bank expeds for when it gets better for you right now
thts waht id do if i didnt have enough gear to run it right now
dire spoke
honed mind, probably
steep obsidian
at a certain gear and haste level ct and xsang are just better
arctic venture
doesnt worth buy a lot of expedient?
steep obsidian
if your goal is to perfrom the best down the line for some reason
sure
i had a crit heavy build with botd major that i could get to about 90k xsang gets me to about 97
to give you an idea
and its ok zempai i dont mind not everyones first language is english and i tend to not explain stuff that clearly
arctic venture
@steep obsidian that´s my point.
dire spoke
I was wearing an expedient-honedmind mix running poisons and 3nothingpersonal, I got up to 97k sim until bleeds did more for me
steep obsidian
yeah my gear is almost the same ilvl in both those gear sets maybe 2 more sockets in the expe
i havent got loot from the last 3 bosses on mythic though so kinda hit a plateau and having farmed a plumage
dire spoke
yeah at some point you hit the dead end if you cant farm mythic
arctic venture
Im at moment, im thinking to keep growing like this is
or switch to bleeding.
I´m concerning to waste my echoes doing it
like @steep obsidian said, poison he gets 90k and bleed 97k I dont think that worth.
dire spoke
why don't you try simming expedient?
arctic venture
gonna do that now let me check it.
steep obsidian
if you think 7k dps isn't worth anything
then you aren't doing any hard content
so it doesnt matter
just do whatever you find more fun
dire spoke
NP VoP build, good times
shut garnet
for overall deeps is it best to save the 3rd exang to use with vanish vendetta, or use it and hold vendetta vanish for 20s
assuming a fight like nzoth
dire spoke
@arctic venture try using your best shrouded suffocation pieces and let raidbots apply 6 expedient, if possible compare the talents at the same time https://i.snipboard.io/4nWbEe.jpg
shut garnet
where you wouldnt per se lose a vendetta cast because of that 20s delay
storm perch
from 39 to 57 - only 2k sim dps increase, is it worth choosing 57 corruption?
rotund oak
So,ive went into some sims and on my top gear CLF sims higher https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cpXAZmfRpaRRK7kgyaKHki
the problem is the rotation and the opener
how do we actually pump with clf
arctic venture
@arctic venture try using your best shrouded suffocation pieces and let raidbots apply 6 expedient, if possible compare the talents at the same time https://i.snipboard.io/4nWbEe.jpg
@dire spoke gonna try to simc it.
indigo mulch
Dosent clf always sim higher than bote?
shut garnet
@storm perch depends on the boss and whether you can handle >40
dire spoke
CLF scales with haste, but isn't good to use on every boss fight (0:
rotund oak
im using 49,last week 52,no issues with high corurption
i need to learn how to utilize clf if it does more dmg
rotund oak
hmm,so would u advice swapping only lucid coz high haste to formless void?
in a more realistic view my sim is about 102.5k
tribal obsidian
it sims higher for me on 4 min
storm perch
@storm perch depends on the boss and whether you can handle >40
@shut garnet drestagath and zanesh - way too much copy spam. But the problem is that I cannot configure flexibly - I will either do 39 or 57
dire spoke
hmm,so would u advice swapping only lucid coz high haste to formless void?
that's different for everybody, I swap iris with void not using lucid at all
shut garnet
if you're progressing those two, id advise playing 39
shut garnet
xanesh in particular has ticking dmg, and that increases the proc amount
rotund oak
need to be banging the highest possible
shut garnet
not on progression you dont
storm perch
not progressing them, alrdy killed, but hurts way too much from copy)
rotund oak
too many wariors >.>
we play with 4-5 warriors
on an 8 melee set
its like practically throwing
but wahtever
storm perch
how fast do you get him to 40%?
rotund oak
havent checked the acutal graph
but i think its about on 2.5-3min or something mayeb abit more
shut garnet
ra-den is probably fine to play 59 on progression
but imo xanesh and nzoth are big no nos
for ppl still progressing those bosses
storm perch
ye, lust on pull is great choice, but if you do without bl first phase with only three orbs- you can save bl for second
dire spoke
most guilds should outgear it at this point, even health-wise
indigo mulch
Loaded dice actually sims higher than vita atm 😦
strange python
ilvl diff?
indigo mulch
yeah, 5 ilvl ;p
dire spoke
you must have very few expedient or?
storm perch
vita 100 dps difference
storm perch
w/e
dire spoke
lol
strange python
vita gale dice
dire spoke
yeah didn't notice gcb 
strange python
I like the cheat death dps increase 8)
strange python
I guess it presses feint more with elusiveness talented
or idk
farm mech rings btw
and some haste gloves
indigo mulch
I got haste gloves, just no echos to put anything decent on there
rotund oak
ye
strange python
farm the proc ring btw
the ring that makes the other proc*
since ualready got the proc one
indigo mulch
haste/mastery one?
rotund oak
that would be loop of division i think
rotund oak
and overclocking is the other one
indigo mulch
I got overclocking bit band
with the haste proc. Does the loop of division drop from mech aswell?
strange python
yes
rotund oak
one from junkyard one from workshop
rotund oak
loop form yard
indigo mulch
once you start hitting 60+ haste i'm guessing harlands is just better i suppose.
strange python
harlans usually sim better if u are lacking stats
rotund oak
im on 77% haste atm
ye im using heroic version of azerite armor
got the chest from vex but i thought that hot would outshine the OP
looks like its not
ebon heath
Sapz whats your mastery at?
strange python
he is just missing mythic azerite, cara loot and myhic vita
rotund oak
ye im trying alot to get my hands on them the sooner possible
but doubt it with 5 warriors on raden >.>
strange python
nice
ebon heath
Getting crit haste instead 😦
rotund oak
ive got like 4-5 crit haste pieces from the chest as well
had to roll to doggo/xanesh etc to get the juicy haste/mastery ones
anyway thx for the info boys,gonna smack the training dummy till raid time o/
ebon heath
Are you using that build for M+ too?
rotund oak
Outlaw for m+,sin just falls behind compared to outlaw.Cant spam 6sec stuns with true bearing as sin 😛
sharp hollow
tropic burrow
How good are the haste rings from Mechagon? Im looking at some Nya rings and they seem pretty similar, no?
steep obsidian
good but you need to get the other one to activate it too which is heavy crit
you can sim it in raidbots
umbral rapids
34% crit magic
tropic burrow
good but you need to get the other one to activate it too which is heavy crit
@steep obsidian yea I meant the combination, is it better then combo from nyalotha?
warm olive
what is the current goto ressource for rotation? raid build ST and MT?
steep plover
Pins
Has a bunch if good resources
The current meta for single target
Is this
minor thicket
hey guys do you need EB for the exsan build if I wanted to ttry M+
or can I use the build in the guide?
steep obsidian
the xsang build is a single target one mainly
steep obsidian
you probably want more crit for m+ but hardly anyone plays it in m+
minor thicket
i figured ok
steep obsidian
your outlaw gear might be decent
steep obsidian
get 3 shroudeds
indigo kiln
Anyone who can help getting this to like 100k
swift timber
buy a race change to troll
warm olive
Ok thx, i was confused due to pins linking wowhead with different rota as well
harsh flume
i started playing my rogue about 6 weeks ago so I'm a little behind on corruption resistance but now that i have all my rank 3 haste i can focus on that now. BUT i don't think i will progress more in mythic this tier 6/12M but i would still like to min/max. anyone have some tips on how to improve my sims ( i have 6x rank 3 haste in my bags but i want to make sure i apply them to the right items.)
steep obsidian
i like to screw around with https://ennukee.github.io/corruption-replacer/ to make a raidbots string
you can test every single bit of your gear with exp if you want to
easily
indigo kiln
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s2bVkUhqcXRugxQffHhXig Lol what is this
eternal turtle
steep plover
Also ur hands dont have haste on them
steep plover
what build do we use for M+
@minor thicket people either use eb+ss stacking crit (severes and strikethroughs) which gives u big aoe, or they just use the raid build and focus on st dmg
cyan bone
What you guys using for raid? Vita + plum or vita + coral?
strange python
vita plum
steep plover
Whatevwr sims better tbh
harsh flume
U want the mechagon rings that proc haste
@steep plover first sim is with the gear i have in my bags and number 2 link i simmed with the mechagon rings etc. i don't have any gloves with haste that sims higher
cyan bone
any reason why many rogues wear the better ilvl dagger in offhand?
cyan bone
I saw so many rogues who had like 5 ilvl higher dagger in offhand
steep plover
Sorry on phone so cant really see but ye if u can get some good hands otherwise probs just sockets etc
strange python
where lynkzy?
dark crag
hehe
strange python
lol
dark crag
you need more haste
umbral rapids
moaaar
ya i just bought 4 expedients
900 for a 5th
i'll have 7
not sure why my sim wants crit sockets tho
obtuse island
If I was to go M+ on boss weeks, should I change anything from the ST raid haste build or stay the same? Mainly should I swap out the HoD for EB
That’s my ST sim atm
mental trout
Any one else have the clock shoulders sim higher then the gorak?
mental trout
Ahhh, I’ll have to look into that
Clock is better on a 3 min fight, gorak is better on a 5.
strange python
yes
cyan bone
What essence do you all use in raid? Blood?
What else could I use instead of blood? Because I dont have it r3
strange python
condensed life force works
vast forum
clf is slightly better on st
cyan bone
Anything else? Also dont have that lmfao
vast forum
breath can be decent at lower gear levels
i assume if you don't have essences yet, you don't have gear either 
vast forum
how do you not have blood or clf then
cyan bone
been playing for like 5 weeks or something now
didnt really do ep as Igot coral first try
and cba to farm 20k honor in bgs
keen tree
i'm raiding for the first time hopefully tonight - are the azerite traits i use for m+ ok to use or am i going to do spectacularly badly with them? i have 3x ss and a twist of the knife.
pale tiger
echoing blades is absolutely worthless in most raid encounters
so if youre using that, try to change it
keen tree
i dont ahve any EB yet
i could switch my piece with ss on it with a piece that has double dose. should i do that?
pale tiger
sim it
keen tree
patchwerk?
pale tiger
yeah
keen tree
kk
naive lynx
how do you play N'zoth as sin rogue?
scenic veldt
Do you guys have different sets for PvP, M+ and Raids?
Also is there like a good guide for PvP and M+ for Assasination?
vast forum
galecaller
i think you need some vers btw
o ye nvm it shows on the stat weights 😄
for me, the haste vers belt from i think xanesh sims slightly better
although i guess with plumage, vers is fine
fast nacelle
got gale but just 465 (which is still better on theory/sims)
crimson palm
475 gcb is like 1.2k dps upgrade over my 475 plumage
i think that ppl who play it said its fine on most bosses
raden's probably the only boss that can fuck you up with positioning
quasi pewter
@fast nacelle
fleet whale
Well i finally made the switch to exsang but i realllly want to get rid of my 430 coral
like why can't the 470 alch trinket be good
quasi pewter
do shrine/kings rest
fleet anchor
I don't really have any problem with GCB
The window is pretty small
Only thing I find annoying with it is maybe Psychus phase due to the timings
Most other fights are kinda whatever
Ra-den as you mention too if it overlaps with the movement in P2 and the tank has to pull it away, but can kinda watch the timers for that since it won't usually skip a use to delay a little
mighty elm
@fast nacelle just slap on your honed now 
fleet anchor
@crimson palm yeah the neck thing is pretty big.. I was realizing that as like 92-94 range is where it really starts slowing down with the curve but the difference vs. people grinding out 99-100 is like 5k DPS. It's sadtimes. 😦
fast nacelle
wow i think its time for another 24h island session
crimson palm
kekw
fleet anchor
But yeah
Pushing fight lengths down helps us quite a bit
Think we're doing a speed Heroic tonight, should be fun 😄
mighty elm
Crying in 2.20 ra-den killtimes
fast nacelle
crying in 1:47 ra-den
fleet anchor
1:47 would be fine lol
crimson palm
I had a 3:00 kill yesterday KEKW
mighty elm
That’s poggers
crimson palm
ppl are trolling me constantly on that boss when i get the debuff
like lay of handing me
fleet anchor
oof
fast nacelle
i ll trade 1:47 for 2:47 any time
mighty elm
Can’t wait to be crippled every boss tomorrow , in 84 corruption gamer
fleet anchor
1:47 should definitely be higher DPS for us than 2:47
sand whale
our shaman likes to chain heal during that
mighty elm
Ye I did hemo
sand whale
how do you cancel chain heal :<
crimson palm
if i do that my healers will just ignore me
mighty elm
I buy healers
uneven summit
are people purifying their 485 carapace daggers for expedient?
fleet anchor
Just have to bribe a Paladin to get the debuff off you
So the other healers can't troll you
crimson palm
hpala*
fleet anchor
haha
crimson palm
best part is when our disc priests start shadow mending our dh rl
fleet anchor
It's brutal
steep obsidian
palis just have to take their hands of keyboard for a bit lol
crimson palm
im just hoping to get a 0 intermission maut kill this week
i need like 2-3 points from that boss to get in top10 😐
fleet anchor
Yeah that's fun
It's not that hard as long as people don't splash with puddles
But usually every time we try it someone messes up the mana lol
We've gotten in a few weeks though
Which ends up being like 1:56 or something
crimson palm
we're not even trying it 😦
fleet anchor
Although I'd seen some super stacked comps that do it really fast
fleet anchor
yeah
I was out of comp on Carapace last night then found out they swapped to speed P1 strat and I was sad 😦
crimson palm
isnt that better though?
fleet anchor
I was sad I was out haha
fleet anchor
Next week!
vital haven
wrathion speed strat is where its at
crimson palm
Just pray for procs
vital haven
it makes it so much better
fleet anchor
Yeah we messed up the Wrathion push last night
Limped to a Smoke and Mirrors skip kill
And then Ranged got aggro on the Assassins and I couldn't even pad on them!
Wasn't a terrible parse but next week should be better
vital haven
it so much better
fleet anchor
Yeah I was looking at some of your guys' logs the other day for reference
fleet anchor
We're gonna put some time into doing it proper next week I think
vital haven
or blood major
ye it took us a while to get it down perfect
still a lot of people die on the second pillar explosions lmao
fleet anchor
We were settling for the Smoke and Mirrors skip backup this week just to get the one night clear in for sure
But gonna spend some time on it next week
I do like the Smoke and Mirrors skip too honestly but faster is better!
Was still like a Rank 62 speed or something with that
But I died 20s because we messed up the healing CDs
crimson palm
Have you tried proccing CD on the 2nd explosion
vital haven
nice
fleet anchor
So only ended up with a 97% parse or something
If I had stayed alive probably would have been a good parse anyway
fast nacelle
usually you want 2:45 killtime but 1:17 maut is quite stable aswell
carmine dawn
best azerite setup for a crit stacking outlaw rogue with decent azerite choices?
crimson palm
cant compete with a 2:45
vs the ones that are below 2 mins
its in the 125k range~
fleet anchor
We also missed the no-flight push on Vexiona last night by like... 3%
fast nacelle
usually formless void would have been better with bote minor as sary figured out
fast nacelle
yup
vital haven
over focusing iris
fast nacelle
its about +600 dpsish
crimson palm
on sub 1:30 fights right?
fleet anchor
And then I made my biggest oof of the night and Vanished without Garrote up... I'm just gonna pretend that pull never happened. 😛
fast nacelle
formless over clf on a sub 2 min fight
vital haven
uuuf
fast nacelle
should be 500~
vital haven
happens to everybody koji
fast nacelle
more or less depending on your gear
mighty elm
my guy had cloak proc on burst aswell -.-
fast nacelle
iirc we simmed 2 min
crimson palm
sub 2 min you want vop minor though
crimson palm
delay vanish 1:30 and blast with full cd set again
fleet anchor
We should be able to get the flight skip next week though and that should make for a lot better of a speed push anyway
fast nacelle
depends really.... i mean thats what i told koji to change but in general 1:40-2:20 fights are good for vop
so you have a second bote with second pot and exang
crimson palm
yeah
vital haven
dude come on where are my clf bois aty
fast nacelle
i mean for fights below 2:20 gale should also be super ahead
fleet anchor
I don't care about the AoE, the Mages and Warlocks steal all of it anyway
vital haven
am i the only one : /
fast nacelle
but i cba i just play 1 set every boss
fleet anchor
Me too!
fast nacelle
only changing essences :D
crimson palm
cba farming a socket for gcb now 😄
fleet anchor
Nairda, why have you not gotten in N'zoth since Post-Nerf II segment btw? You are sandbagging your all-star ranking 😄
vital haven
lol
crimson palm
extravagant is also a pretty big upgrade over goraks
like 1.4k
on the short fights
vital haven
i dont need any gear from it and i got the mount and the officer team hasnt put me in
fast nacelle
i gambled and failed
fleet anchor
RIP
thin cargo
Bomber jacket too hemo?
crimson palm
no
vital haven
ye i know my all star sucks because of no nzoth
crimson palm
cara too gut
vital haven
ill get it evenetually
fleet anchor
I'm really struggling to parse on N'zoth with our new fast kill times.. P3 doesn't even last long enough to get full CDs haha.. I think I'm gonna have to go back to Breath sniping to get a better parse
fast nacelle
we killed nzoth in 8:18ish?
mighty elm
was postnerf II released 27th may?
fast nacelle
tell me smth about bad killtimes
im still missing 6-7 allstars on nzoth
last 2 kills were speedkill and 2 buyer
fleet anchor
I was getting 96% parses easily with our previous P2 lust and kill times and now I'm like.. just getting 4-5k less DPS. Sucks. lol
fast nacelle
could have been at 1065ish
vital haven
ye ive been researching
crimson palm
not getting secret phase is big
vital haven
nzoth kills
crimson palm
since you delay vendetta for a long time
crimson palm
you just need to pad more on the small shits in mind gate 😄
im pulling 170k dps in there
fast nacelle
yeah speedkill was funny we needed to do dmg stop
crimson palm
you're at like 65k
fleet anchor
I mean I'm good at Breath sniping, just haven't done it since going Expedient setup. So I should just do that one pull and it'll be fine
Also our group 1 MG1 push is getting too fast
fast nacelle
i think if you play it perfectly you can go nzoth 8:05
strange python
Quick question. I want to do pvp but to do pvp you're forced to do pve so i'm trying to pve to get gear but i see that the corruptions & trinkets u need to do decent damage in pve as an assa rogue are the complete opposite of what u would need for pvp so my question is what do I do? Do I go full crit or full versa? Do I grind for the pvp trinket or the pve one? Cuz I feel like I need to get sets of both to actually compete in pve.
fast nacelle
we clowned a lot
fleet anchor
And I can't even get full Vendetta on Ego 1 if I use on 2nd adds anymore
But can't use Vendetta on 1st adds either because they die in like 6s
crimson palm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bxG1YnqhJADf8aLK#fight=4&type=damage-done&source=10 koji i tried your 0:30 vendetta timing btw
fleet anchor
Stupid Mages
crimson palm
it fkin sucked 😦
fleet anchor
haha
shy axle
how do you handle wrathion if you want to do as much dmg as possible? Just focus every cd on him or do you use vanish + 3 GAr on the spikes that spawn + multidotting them?
crimson palm
it scuffed my 2:30 cds so fkin much
shy axle
alsways hated that fight
fleet anchor
Rank 13 "fucking sucked" 😄
crimson palm
i would've done better xD
fleet anchor
hahaha
crimson palm
150k vendetta
fast nacelle
i think you just use opener vendetta and then after first psychus on nzoth and after that every 2 minute nearly on cd (beside the last one)
while soaking second evoke (first soak) and cloaking last second
crimson palm
usually its 250k-300k
fleet anchor
On the 2:30 one?
crimson palm
Yeah
fleet anchor
Usually what I do there is make sure I'm not using Exsang on the Basher group before Ego
crimson palm
Yeah exsan psychus
fleet anchor
Exsang lets you fit the whole Vanish Garrote into Ego even if it's a little delayed
But you may do MG1
crimson palm
Oh right
fleet anchor
So I don't know what it's like for that timing
crimson palm
😄
fleet anchor
I do MG2
fleet anchor
But our MG1 group has just been trolling recently and is pushing waaay too fast
crimson palm
Lets see how it turns out
fleet anchor
so I may need to revisit
crimson palm
we are killing it like 2:24ish
fleet anchor
Just need to talk people into not killing first adds so fast lol
crimson palm
8s away from making the vendetta work
strange python
@fast nacelle u playing with 69 corruption currently?
fast nacelle
yeah
once honored mind 3 is up i ll play with one hm
my rogue is still scuffed since i played main dh 8.3
fleet anchor
Yeah N'zoth timings are just getting more and more awkward the more DPS people get
crimson palm
Well its about to end soon hopefully 😄
strange python
how does >=60 feel? never really checked it out
plain thistle
the fight is better actually, fuck long p3 =/
strange python
sounds annoying though if you get unlucky thing procs
crimson palm
if you can manage your tftb It's the same
slow can be played around with shadowstep
fleet anchor
I really need to get a good Carapace parse though, that's like my big fail point right now. I haven't really got a good rhythm for that fight after all the WCL changes.
crimson palm
you need to know which hits you can take
crimson palm
i just stay close to someone i know is okay positioning wise
and shadowstep when needed
vital haven
like ya we got shadowstep and sprint
fast nacelle
you can play 60+ on every boss beside cara and nzoth imo
crimson palm
the only thing that sucks is that tfb can spawn inside the wall in intermission
fleet anchor
I mean I'm at 59 right now with all Expedient III and 1 single Expedient I
crimson palm
and no time to react
fleet whale
unless if want to try some IS rng meme stuff i guess
just to experiment and have fun
fleet anchor
I was actually checking the +HM/RP/VR thing and it was a lot less than I expected in terms of the DPS gain
fleet anchor
Yeah tossing IS in doesn't seem like a bad idea honestly
crimson palm
and on wrathio nthere's nukkz running like 150 corr
vital haven
even on 2 mins fights
fleet anchor
Just hard to figure out how best to math out the Corruption values to fit it in
fleet whale
what level IS would you use though
vital haven
IS with how much haste we have
fleet whale
and how many would you use
vital haven
just one rnak 3
crimson palm
ye it could work on the speed kills
vital haven
where is my raidbots link
fleet whale
it's kind of funny that most sin rogues prefer tendies even though tendies are probably even more RNG than IS
with the haste levels we have
fast nacelle
my idea was one is3 and rest haste
fleet anchor
Petition for tendies to just be in their own segment on WCL
fleet whale
it's nice to see that this channel is more open to IS though
mighty elm
4.16 killtime, guy has 44% tendies dmg or some shit
tropic ocean
@fleet anchor make ur guild bl + mc and bloast
fleet anchor
I've definitely considered tossing in 1 IS item at the end of some variety though
vital haven
the rank 1 wrathion for so long was also this insane tendie parse
crimson palm
who cares as long as they dont get into all stars
fleet anchor
I'm a little reluctant to really do the IS thing 😛
vital haven
here is like super endgame IS gear
fleet whale
IS would just be used to fun and gamble for parses
would be the return of poison bomb in a way
fleet anchor
Yeah it is a big difference
fleet whale
in theory yes
fleet whale
but you can still have moments where you get like 4 stacks instantly
fleet anchor
Yeah although DHs still tear their eyeballs out about it
vital haven
regardless getting 7 or 8 rank expedients should be fine for everything really
fleet anchor
I mean we legit had a DH quit the game last week because of IS RNG and parsing driving him crazy. Not joking. lol
fleet anchor
It's more that he's a very good player and likes parsing but DH parsing is like
0% influenced by skill atm
It's just "did my IS proc, did it proc on the right thing"
vital haven
did your guildie take a look athe the rank shadhar log koji?
fleet whale
honestly that was assassination in antorus, you could min max somethings but your parse was pretty much poison bomb