hearty cave
Would you recommend keeping TD 3, or replacing it with a few stacks of expedient?
#assassination
timid coral
just sim it... the answer will be exp, but just sim it
balmy condor
Ye
humble valley
Do I use CT in single target at a certain haste level? If so, do I maintain it like rupture and garrote or do I just put it on for exsanguinate?
balmy condor
Yes, roughly 60% haste, maintain
Don’t force it into exsang
You should sim yourself to see when it becomes good for your character
humble valley
okay ty ty
idle nova
robust lintel
for pvp is all gushing best or just go for expediant(hast) if i raid 1 time a week
balmy condor
GW will be better for pvp, but worse for raids
haste will be better for raids, but worse for pvp
pick your poison
robust lintel
aw shit
main forge
or grind 70k echoes and get both
robust lintel
pfff
main forge
and say goodbye to them in 3 months
balmy condor
^
main forge
I got 7 gushing... should have got 9... still have 3 expedients I can't use yet
gushing does 25% of my damage in pvp min.
robust lintel
well only really wanan pvp for the rank 3 blood for youe neck, so will probably stick with hast
celest sundial
waaait, dice is simming almost 1k more than vita on patchwerk for me, wtf
celest sundial
hmm
arctic socket
Returning form a pretty long break, Is Blood of the enemy still a pretty solid major essence or will I need to be swapping to something like Worldvein/BOD?
balmy condor
blood is still basically BiS
balmy condor
CLF is marginally better in raids
vast forum
in general, if you never swap away from blood in pve content, you're not doing anything wrong
arctic socket
Alright so it’s still a swap between CLF and BOE thank you a lot
balmy condor
np
arctic socket
If I decied to go Gushing wounds is it worth stacking more mastery for the bleed increase? or do I need to just still stick to what sims highest?
arctic socket
Kk well Exped seems like it would be for a bleed build so didn’t know if that made mastery a little bit better or if the secondary stacks were still extremely close together
lunar tangle
which build is better to go if you have trash corruptions is it better to go Shrouded+Subterfuge+Exsang or Nightstalker+TB+a mix of good Azerites eg Hod DD NP?
lunar tangle
i meant Master assassin sorry
balmy condor
shrouded/exsang is objectively better for raids than a crit TB build
lunar tangle
because like i have 0 exped corruptions since this is a new toon but have decent heroic gear and i might be joining the mythic raid with the alt so not really sure which build is better to go
lunar tangle
What exactly is the gear for exsang multiple expeds?
lunar tangle
yeah then nightstalker tb would be better in that case
lunar tangle
master assassin****
thin cargo
Lol nightstalker
lunar tangle
sorry for the brain dead
balmy condor
remove that from your vocabulary lmao
lunar tangle
LOOOOL
balmy condor
you'll play subt with a TB build as well eventually
once you get more expeds and gear
lunar tangle
yeah havent touched my rogue ever since essences came out so this is going to be a yike
thin cargo
You might luck into 3 ss traits then. Those were good at launch
balmy condor
yeah but if he doesn't have the haste it won't beat it
thin cargo
Truth
lunar tangle
and whats the best essence setup
sorry for all these questions just want to be prepared
balmy condor
for your gear
probably will be some janky WV maj iris/lucid/breath thing
WV is great for undergeared
thin cargo
Lucid major lol
balmy condor
but you'll want Bote or CLF
lunar tangle
i am 470 ILevel btw
lunar tangle
yeah i guess ill just sim that part
balmy condor
lucid major is trash though don't do that
arctic socket
Another equation wanted to ask was do I still rock my mythic font/coral or is there better trinkets?
balmy condor
vita/plumage
you could do galecallers instead of plumage, the pvp on use vers medallion, which is identical to plumage
harlans is good too
arctic socket
Kk yeah I got some gearing to do
Stuck at 447 ilvl, Very good when I was playin but dog shit now 😂
whole salmon
how much damage does thing from beyond do at 45 corruption? is it relatively safe to use and what defensive options do we have?
balmy condor
you can eat it to the face at 45
you can run elusiveness and feint
could blind it
arctic socket
elusiveness is big
balmy condor
you can use your legendary
you can cloak it
elusiveness is big if you're not on prog
if you're on prog, probably not a great idea to run elusiveness
whole salmon
does legendary cloak negate it completely?
balmy condor
it removes it
balmy condor
"dispell any effects of n'zoths corruption and become immune to any further corruption effects for 6 seconds"
so it'll get rid of tfb, eyeballs, everything
whole salmon
nice i guess ill try it tonight 😛
balmy condor
but honestly 45 corruption is weak sauce
you could run 45 and just stand still
and probably be fine
strange python
39 for n'zoth progress?
fleet whale
I like to be below 40 just cause i don't like the purple shit around my character
strange python
whispyr
strange python
would u go over 40 on n'zoth prog?
fleet whale
but if you go above 40
balmy condor
cause healers are hard-stuck
fleet whale
really you can go 59 cause i don't think thing damage actually increases
strange python
considering constant damage
fleet whale
it just runs faster
main forge
If you need more that 39 corruption on progression... then the problem isn't likely you on why the boss isn't going down
balmy condor
ye
fleet whale
i just looked at the tooltip
and all it says for me is that speed increases with further corruption
main forge
but getting hit by a thing from beyond at a 5% and killing you... yeah that no bueno
whole salmon
im assuming cheat death will save me as well
balmy condor
it will
fleet whale
yeah eyeball damage and radius increases
fleet whale
the eyeball becomes a bigger issue imo with higher corruption
whole salmon
nah just farming heroics
balmy condor
then run like 70
fuck that
ausrr was parsing with like 98 corruption or something on mythic maut
main forge
sad you can't go above 200 anymore 😦
balmy condor
I run 80 on our heroics
fleet whale
is that 200 base corruption or 200 including resist
balmy condor
including
fleet whale
idk how people were running 200+
balmy condor
doesn't matter if you one shot them first XD
as a prot pally he's got bubble and his legendary cloak
he can basically be immune, have the IS proc
and its GG
so then the fun police added an effect at 200 corruption
;-;
strange python
Wait did they?
balmy condor
yeah
strange python
what effect?
balmy condor
you take like 25% of your hp every second
fleet whale
i mean to be fair, running over 200 corruption is still deadly even without the new effect
quaint vortex
I ran 102 in some of our heroic kills
sterile lodge
Is there a reason why it would tell me to socket agil over haste?
sterile lodge
7 exp 3 and 1 exp 1
timid coral
you might also have "always choose agi" checked
balmy condor
yeah
sterile lodge
Like +5
sterile lodge
kk thx
lunar tangle
its telling me to run subterfuge with 0 ss traits
balmy condor
correct
lunar tangle
when even though i tagged them on the pieces them selves?
balmy condor
subt scales harder
balmy condor
I think they made it from 60-80%
but that was like
maybe october?
its been a long ass time
but the reason subt is good isn't because of that buff
subt just scales harder with gear than ma
ma is just 50% crit
runic kiln
when sims start to say that mastery outpaces haste, should i ignore it and keep stacking exped/haste assuming itll come back into haste favor as i add more expeds?
im at about 60%
balmy condor
are you simming stat weights for that info?
runic kiln
yes
balmy condor
don't do that
runic kiln
i know not to, i was just curious
i know itll want me to add more mastery because its lows, but each point of haste is really 2 points of haste because of expeds
balmy condor
basically you're in a point in your gear where it thinks an increase in mastery is going to give you more damage
runic kiln
just out of curiosity if theres a point where you start re-stacking nonhaste stats
runic kiln
has vers above crit for me which ive never seen before
balmy condor
yeah
runic kiln
granted i only have 150 vers...
balmy condor
and you see why XD
anyway
you'll see some people re-gem out of haste
but that's pretty deep into optimizing
just keep stacking exped and haste gems and it'll be fine
celest sundial
I thought coral was gonna be my best trinket but it sims lower than dice and galecallers, hmm
steel ridge
Coral doesnt give haste 😙
celest sundial
it still sims very close tho
balmy condor
coral isn't the best trinket in general
its top 5
but its definitely not just a win
@steel ridge plumage doesn't give haste either
steel ridge
But flat damage is gud
celest sundial
for me coral sims higher than plumage
balmy condor
what ilvl/socket
celest sundial
450 non socket vs 465 non socket
balmy condor
coral still strong ye
celest sundial
but I guess I wont be using it anyways
balmy condor
fk coral
steel ridge
Noice
warm parcel
you can be at a point where adding a gem of mas is better than haste
and expedient is still your best corr
balmy condor
^
warm parcel
theyre not mutually exclusive
stat weights also only add stats
they don account for you swapping a gem/enchant
its always just adding more
balmy condor
weak out here spitting faks
warm parcel
I mean it is a fair question why weights might show diff from corr %
And it might seem odd
Just that haste amps like more haste amps
balmy condor
yeah
ruby ibex
The guide in the pins seems to indicate that rupture at 6cp, is that strictly during openers, or always? I was under the impression with deeper strat finishers were used at 5+ cp
ruby ibex
Ok, so if I get super unlucky and after 2x Mutilates I am at 5cp, I am muting again?
balmy condor
yep
there's times where you'll vend-mut
and land 5
then cast the CT
and then have to cast 3 muts
ruby ibex
but the rest of the time, a 5cp rupture is ok? along with CT and Envenom
ruby ibex
during standard rotation, would I prioritize maintaining rupture over CT?
balmy condor
yes
without any buffs, you're prioritizing rupture, then CT, then envenom for combo points
and you're prioritizing garrote uptime over CT uptime
tulip panther
Hey guys, can someone with raid bot premiun help me with my top gear? there's so much interaction i can't sim properly
balmy condor
sure
ruby ibex
Sweet. Thanks again, as always! lol
balmy condor
np
mental trout
I have 7 exp 3 in my bag ready to go. This is the highest i've gotten so far but I'm use to being proved wrong when it comes to sims. lmao, If any one sees some thing LMK please before I botch these corruptions lol https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7axbWATDpgTSFuemeKt1zh
balmy condor
I already see a big flaw
dark crag
Is that for full cloak later on?
balmy condor
your discord name is crimp with a c, but your character name is krimp with a k
actually triggered
mental trout
hahaha, it was my classic rogue name but some one took it
rock climbing problems lol
mental trout
im not sure why it puts me at that 155 corruption... i have enough enough to be max cloak atm also
warm olive
in an 100k sim, how much of a difference is division vs recursion? can someone give me a rough estimate?
mental trout
total on all that gear is 175. my current cloak is 80 + 10 from essence
balmy condor
@warm olive use gear compare
mental trout
so it should read 85, not sure why it has 155
warm olive
can i sim items i dont have there? i will give it a try thanks
balmy condor
that's what its for, yes
ruby ibex
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [mod:shift] Crimson Tempest; Envenom
This macro does the start attack, and the envenom - shift modifier still only casts envenom though, is it formatted incorrectly?
fallow peak
Anyone remember at the end of warlords when they first added exsanguinate that it was a 400% bleed rate? That was a lot of fun for 2 months!
balmy condor
@ruby ibex why aren't you just binding CT to Shift+button?
mental trout
Also thanks a lot for all the help from this discord and @balmy condor . Coming to this expac so late put me behind. Hope to return the favor to people come SL.
balmy condor
that seems like a huge hassle for something you could just have another action bar for
ruby ibex
Because then I woould have to change my UI to show another button, and I really don't wanna do that
warm parcel
also startattack lines have been useless for a good few years
its built in all off moves at this point
strange python
yall know the best way to get from item level 410 - 440? I dont have a guild yet but my item level is only 409 and i'd feel bad if i joined that low. also id have a harder time finding a guild in general at that level i think.
fleet whale
if he's at 410 he'll have to do some M0s likely
strange python
you see that's great but i started playing 2 months ago and found out what essences were a week ago so enlighten me please
fleet whale
pvp conquest cap gives you a 440
balmy condor
enlighten you regarding what
fleet whale
M+ dungeons
balmy condor
so there's a m+ system
ruby ibex
Full word didn't seem to fix it @warm parcel
fleet whale
and M 0 is just a regular mythic dungeon
strange python
ok so mythic and mythic+ dungeons
fleet whale
and even heroic dungeons, the one you can use the automated group finder for
drop 430s
balmy condor
m+ is a scalable dungeon system that basically gives increases rewards for harder dungeons, you'll need to join a group for both m0 and any m+
but yeah, heroic drops 430, so you should start there
strange python
well ive done A mythic dungeon before like, once and it wasnt too bad but it took forever to find one
balmy condor
its a lot easier when you've got a guild or friends
warm parcel
even mod works just fine
@ruby ibex youve your shift + whatever the bind is bound already
fleet whale
also, if you haven't killed him already
strange python
well i dont got a guild and i have no friends
warm parcel
so it defaults to that instead of this macro
ruby ibex
I Def don't, I made sure it was unbound
fleet whale
there is a world boss in Uldum right now that can drop 445 pants or a 445 ring
strange python
name?
fleet whale
I can't think of his name but if you look at the uldum map
balmy condor
its the big purple world quest when you get there
strange python
oh
fleet whale
you'll see a purple circle that's where he'll be
warm parcel
(thats me tapping shift)
strange python
im from valorant and dark souls
ruby ibex
It's Shift+E, idk if that's a thing, but it's definitely not bound to anything in WoW
warm parcel
a lot of mod binds are
ruby ibex
So it's on the bar, bound to E; shift mod would make it shift e
strange python
ok so dungeons and world bosses
warm parcel
it didnt work for me when I had shift 3 bound
strange python
i can do that
warm parcel
but unbinding it makes macro work on "3"
strange python
41 million... thats a lot of health
balmy condor
you need a group for world bosses
warm parcel
so it defaults to the bind if there is one
strange python
what's the secret to getting the stealth after entering obelisk btw? never really had problems with it, but just had a run where it didnt work on any obelisk for some reason
balmy condor
spam stealth button
warm parcel
dont be first one in
balmy condor
that too
warm parcel
and haste makes the entry quicker
so if you have more haste than your tank you can end up first in
even if you start later
strange python
ye what weak said is what i was thinking. but i made sure to click after tank
ah that makes sense
was a workshop with raid build
warm parcel
yup
novel drum
dont be in stealth when you channel
ruby ibex
I tried it on bars bound to 1, 5, E, and H, none of which should be bound to anything already with a shift
warm parcel
haste build makes you enter so quick
strange python
ye i know that @novel drum
warm parcel
then it could be any of your addons regarding UI
ruby ibex
K, I logged out and back in and that fixed it. Idk wtf that means, but I guess
changed nothing, works on shift e
warm parcel
ruby ibex
Imma go die now
novel drum
what have you done
loud brook
i have ascended past and gone even further beyond
loud light
living the life of ripping threat off the tank in the first 2 seconds of every pull
loud brook
true
loud light
gotta proc right after tricks wears off then
rose ermine
What is a good haste percent?
balmy condor
higher
novel drum
18
balmy condor
higher than you have
rose ermine
lmaooo
loud brook
to be fair. I have a macro that targets the tanks with my tricks whenever I press it as long as they're my focus target
I've ingrained it into my muscles to press it before every pull
rose ermine
balmy condor
oh
well
you should TRIPLE that haste then
my bad
people running around with 80% atm XD
rose ermine
WHAT
balmy condor
yuh
half timber
How much corruption are most of you running?
rose ermine
Good lord.
balmy condor
crisp 59 this week yeah
half timber
how do you deal with the things from beyond? just eat them?
rose ermine
What about Crit and Mastery?
balmy condor
blind, cloak, legendary cloak, feint with elusive, eat them
peak jungle
When playing exsang/haste build, what secondary stat is generally best after haste?
balmy condor
crit is between 30-35% and mastery is like 45-55ish
novel drum
theyre all 3 very near eachother and really differ form person to person @peak jungle
peak jungle
Thanks
balmy condor
vers is the worst
loud brook
I run 49 or lower
balmy condor
you should be going for mastery/crit
peak jungle
Got it
novel drum
vers is typically the worst but sometimes even then youll gem vers
balmy condor
that doesn't mean you should be looking for vers, nor that vers is "near" to the other stats though
they are not mutually exclusive
objectively if you look at sims, you'll see that having more than 1-2 pieces of vers is going to lower dps
that however doesn't mean that vers gemming is bad
rose ermine
Vers is just for PvP yeah?
novel drum
noo
crimson palm
79 is fine on all bosses apart from nzoth
balmy condor
vers is more desirable in dungeons rather than raids
vers works and is good
crit/mast is just a bigger gain in a raid setting
novel drum
not to continue the discussion of vers, but c&s is now simming good for me T.T
sly ferry
is there a point where u should start to consider switch from blade to exsang build? i dont have 3x suff/ 3x heart, and only 50% haste atm
balmy condor
exsang is usually better starting around 30% haste
but obviously with bad azerite
you'll need more
I would assume if you have at least decent SS, it should sim higher
sly ferry
i can get 3xSS, just only 1 with HOD, rest would be either generic or DD or NP
guess ill just dink around with sims and see if its worth loking into
balmy condor
yeah
DD is fine even for a bleed build until you get clock/bbi/hod
but I would be surprised if you have 3x SS and 50% and exsang isn't simming higher
novel drum
ooooooh so c&s is simming into my essences whenever i sim gorak tuls shoulder instead of ilgy shoulders
and tbh i kinda just dont want to run bbi lol
balmy condor
bbi is poggies tho
balmy condor
need more corruption
novel drum
yeah but bbi just feels like its going to be too sporadic when all your dmg is condensed to 10 second windows lol
north pond
i have 6 more exped 3
balmy condor
scent of blood is a bad trait, the shoulders aren't good either
north pond
i just dont know if my gear is worth putting on it
balmy condor
ineffable truth is actually just a straight dps down
so that's a dead corruption
should get some mechagon rings
north pond
should i throw exped 3 on any other pieces u think?
balmy condor
rank 3 iris would help too
north pond
thank u btw
balmy condor
the gloves and wrists need replacing for some haste/something gear
you got a lot of vers
the daggers you already mentioned
the rings should be mechagon rings
you can toss on the exped's onto stuff for now
cause its probably gonna take a while to get it all replaced
novel drum
bbi is a 400 dps increase 🤔 whats the uptime on bbi again?
balmy condor
bout 25%
covert needle
Here's my current sim. I still have a few pieces of loot to get, namely, the logic loop of division ring, vita or lustrous plumage, and the Type II Bomber Jacket. 7 Exp 3's, still need a Exp 2.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cNKPpMAoQJr1obaS1ukTMk
north pond
i have lower ilevel shit with haste/maste on it
balmy condor
you'll want to save corruptions for 465+ gear ideally
north pond
ok well looks like i got some grinding to do
balmy condor
@covert needle looks okay, whats the question?
novel drum
i gotta just trust bbi instead of feelcrafting triple hod
balmy condor
why wouldn't you trust bbi
naive lynx
What's the best build if I want the most damage possible on M+?
balmy condor
@naive lynx depends on key
there's 2 trains of thought
there's the raid/exped set
which will pump on KR/WS
and tyran stuff
and there's severe/strikethrough crit/vers 3x EB
which is higher aoe
novel drum
i just look at 25% uptime on bbi when exsang is a 12 second window looks tight
naive lynx
@balmy condor thanks
balmy condor
its guaranteed to proc at the start of a fight crab
like most things
or at least it has a preference to the start of a fight
autumn night
so how do you aoe with echoing blades do i just spam fan of knifes?
balmy condor
spam fok at 9+
autumn night
thanks
runic kiln
is there a way to make raidbots sim without vanish?
novel drum
so i could sim 115k if i ran clf 🤔
now i just have to find a fight where i can run clf
balmy condor
why would you want to sim without vanish as a sin rogue
novel drum
to use it defensively 🙂
runic kiln
because i want to try to match my dps on a dummy but vanishing on a dummy breaks meters
vast forum
you can run clf on any fight in nyalotha
balmy condor
not how our spec works sadly
runic kiln
realistically how much off on DPS should i be without the vanish
novel drum
gotta get them mecha rings
strange python
i knowwww
novel drum
giga haste
strange python
i keep running it but they wont drop
quiet radish
I’m having a hard time with CT I feel like every time I’m fighting with keeping that dog up and Envenom buff up
Any suggestions?
strange python
Yeah I've found myself caring less about env after switching to CT
I still try and get it as much as I can but the bleeds seem to be yuge
What's a good time to refresh CT btw?
strange python
i need specific seconds here whispyr
quiet radish
Which becomes priority if both are about to go off at same time
strange python
you are my senpai i need answers
autumn cosmos
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/txoz3CYLo95Zwxd4DH7xs2 Running this tonight for Drest. What's a "safe" corruption level yall run? Ill be 49 after my vision prior to raid. Is that all g?
novel drum
with the exsang build ive never tried to keep env buff uptime. it just happens
strange python
im running 54 fuck my healers
quiet radish
Oh really?!? I thought the envenom buff uptime was a must
balmy condor
not at all
strange python
i think that's more of a thing with tb build
quiet radish
Holy sh** mind blown
novel drum
lets be real here envenom uptime was only "important" in the TB build because it was the only thing you could actual keep track of because its so boring
strange python
true
novel drum
its was the only way to "optimize" that build
balmy condor
we have so much haste now though that it's hard to drop envenom lmao
novel drum
garrot1
balmy condor
that's the opener
novel drum
garrote2
balmy condor
you garrote 3 targets
strange python
yis
naive lynx
thanks!
autumn cosmos
If Drest isn't prog rather a re-clear - would 49 be okay do yall think? Or am I just asking to get spanked.
autumn cosmos
Wicked thanks.
humble valley
When did sims tell y'all to switch to CT over PB? I'm at 63% haste and PB still sims higher
balmy condor
do you have a TTK helm
icy girder
i got mine around 70
humble valley
I have been super unlucky wtih my azerite pieces
balmy condor
if you have a TTK trait, you're never going to see CT
humble valley
Looking back I should've just saved up, but I tried to gamble and here we are
TTK?
humble valley
I don't have any TTK's
humble valley
1 SS and 2 DD
humble valley
Gotcha. ty ty
balmy condor
there's probably some stat things happening with it
but I'm honestly not too sure why it happens
CT was better at 58% for me
humble valley
Did you have a lot of mastery or crit?
humble valley
Hmm
balmy condor
and as far as I remember, mastery affects PB
if it doesn't its the mastery
very clearly
humble valley
My 455 dice always sim higher than my 460 vita
balmy condor
yeah that happens
stable nest
anything good from corruption vendor tomorrow?
rancid bobcat
west totem
Big Expedient 3
balmy condor
yeah exped 3 is huge
stable nest
is exp3 go to for ST assa or?
balmy condor
yes
west totem
Yes
balmy condor
stable nest
ah alright
west totem
Saved up for 7 extra tomorrow
sand kestrel
Whats holding me back from 95k? Is it the lack of Heart of Darkness pieces or the masterful corruption? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i5KwFS36Bomj2Yurj23BuU
balmy condor
I'll take a look in a second
strange python
probably missing hod, that's a biggun
sand kestrel
thats my guess...but number crunching and sims arent my strong point. Im just a button pusher
balmy condor
I'll make some gear-compares and stuff for you when I'm back
cause I'm a number cruncher by trade
sand kestrel
appreciated. ty whispyr
strange python
^he's p. good at it
balmy condor
helps when I'm helping people 24/7
arctic walrus
why are you running those essences exactly
balmy condor
lot of experiences
arctic walrus
did I miss some lore here or
novel drum
those essences gave me shell shock
arctic walrus
the helm/ct are within margin, but you really need to change up those essences
strange python
lol
novel drum
REE
strange python
RIGGED
balmy condor
I haven't opened the sim yet
arctic walrus
balmy condor
so I'm excited
I like a good shell shocking
that's my kink fetish uh.... It's a good time
sand kestrel
yeah essences...whoops
strange python
you're always welcome to try and squeeze more out of mine :3
arctic walrus
rocky holly
condensed - bote/iris/breath sims about 2k higher than the set up provided in the haste guide. how do i even use clf in my rotation with it being on a 3min CD?
rocky holly
got it
whats to consider with the kill times?
just making sure im able to get a 2nd use?
rocky holly
if i can get a second use where do i use it at? just immediately off CD?
balmy condor
so for a 5min fight for example
you're only ever getting 2 casts anyway
so you would hold it for the next vanish/vendetta lineup
sand kestrel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tqoaktk6hhLkRj9FGT4fdg i guess it was the essences...REEE
balmy condor
its always better to line it up with something rather than not lining it up with something
sand kestrel
< feelsbad
rocky holly
wouldn't i be holding everything else for CLF?
given that its 3 minutes and i use it in the opener
er not holding
but waiting
rocky holly
so hold everything and wait for CLF
rocky holly
use everything a 2nd time
balmy condor
once CLF comes up
you hold for a good lineup if that's your last cast of CLF
in a 7 minute fight
rocky holly
so realistically to get good use out of it
balmy condor
you get 3 casts
so you cast in opener, on cd
and then lineup the last one with something
solar pendant
Does the sim account for people using there essence for the formless void?
balmy condor
you can select formless void uptime in the bottom
balmy condor
symbiotic
balmy condor
np
steep plover
U shouldnt chck expedient on haste/vers right?
balmy condor
wdym
steep plover
Like is it worth it or should i wait fkr a haste/mast or haste/crit piece
Since vers sounds like its not that good for st
balmy condor
its fine
steep plover
Sweet
magic fossil
our final build is 8 exp and 1 honed mind?
balmy condor
7x exp 3 1x exped 2 1x hm3
magic fossil
we should simc 110k +- with those corruptions?
novel drum
with the correct build yeah those corruptions are the best bang for your buck in your corruption budget
but thats still not viable for another month+ when we get more corruption resistance
novel drum
YOINK EM
uncut schooner
Will I do the big duppus.
novel drum
you will BE the big duppus
outer tendon
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
novel drum
yeh
autumn night
whats people stats looking like with expedient?
novel drum
i have 80%
hearing alot of other rogues say roughly the same number for the high end.
anywhere from 50-80% i think?
balmy condor
80% for the high end yeah
novel drum
if i run the third hod tho id be at 83 
lunar tangle
how do you do an opener with subterfuge if you dont have shrouded suffocation beacuse i cant seem to find it anywhere
balmy condor
gar mut rup
lunar tangle
and then vendetta botm Tb?
balmy condor
balmy condor
np happens
lunar tangle
and i assume best weapon enchants would be force mulitplier + quick nav
fast nacelle
i ll have less tmrw when i ll socket my 485 boots
and put a socket in it
ehh expedient
its ~390 dps more than 475 haste mastery socket
so its not even that much overkill considering some of the dps comes from +10 ilvl
fast nacelle
oh yeah im just too lazy
i think i could replace 3-4 sockets with crit
for the 2-3 min fights
but it wont change anything ... parses are about some luck with procs and mostly killtime so i dont even care :D
actually ill run a sim hold up
we can check for 3 minute fights
brb bathroom while it ll sim it
main forge
Shit & Sim
lone junco
@fast nacelle ayo
fast nacelle
@lone junco ayyyy how are you bud. long time no see
when we had the switch to exang few weeks back i though of you lmao
as the exang lover #1
lone junco
Been doing keys as Rdruid as well. So guess I'm a Healy boy until the end now.
fast nacelle
400ish dps with some mastery in it
not really worth considering at 5 min fights (or with clf) you have this one
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mbi5WwtszqBxSQWtfMhsxa
so just getting 485 boots crit mastery should be fine to call it a day for both - bote and clf
sour wraith
For aoe, when I'm in a mass aoe situation is it better to alternate FoK and CT or just spam FoK (2 EB traits)
balmy condor
Envenom until 7, then CT until 9-10 (with 3x EB), then FoK spam
sour wraith
Thanks
Another question - on pull, if I get 5 cp twice in a row (so g r g, ct, mut to 5) to I go to 6 cp or just rupture at 5 and then exsang?
balmy condor
Mut to 6
sour wraith
👍
mortal oriole
Quick question on sims here boys i've got a 460 Vita that's losing to my 465 Dice but that's 5% haste alone from the vita if i change?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cEVbdaTx9F3zQ46YTzq3iL
mortal oriole
Yeah ok i figured it was to do with the socket aswell
balmy condor
You still take vita because of the party buff though
mortal oriole
Oh actually, alright thanks man 😄
balmy condor
The party-haste is worth more than the difference from harlans
balmy condor
Before vendetta in opener
strange python
tyra doesn't
balmy condor
Probably precasts
But you did ask about “most” people right
And not what does Tyra do
strange python
true 😄
rigid eagle
guys help
why is worldvein simming higher than bote
something's wrong i can feel it
balmy condor
mortal oriole
At what % of haste does Crimson Tempest become better than PB im on 75% haste an it sims for 1700 less dps?
balmy condor
My best guess is that the worldvein is stronger than bote because you’re missing a lot of agi from having 465 Azerite
But uhhhh
Definitely sus
@mortal oriole that sounds like an iron tide helmet
balmy condor
Give me a second I’ll take a look
mortal oriole
Oh i am indeed running an irontide helm lol has to do with the Twist the Knife then right
steep plover
Whats the rotation like when using the raid build in m+
3 ss into ct?
And then what
balmy condor
CT spam
steep plover
Fok build combo ct spam to use combo
balmy condor
Yeah
steep plover
Sweet ty
balmy condor
@rigid eagle couldn’t get it to get rid of worldvein
rigid eagle
@balmy condor yeah lol, im fucked
balmy condor
I haven’t seen it before
rigid eagle
do i save exsang for every WV then
balmy condor
Honestly confused
rigid eagle
rip man
btw @steep plover look at the initial dmg of CT, when u hit 5 targets at once that dmg is already more than envenom
bronze topaz
i gave him azerites + plumage but it didnt work 😄 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3tjXH82nWmMQouJrqhJG4Q
rigid eagle
LOL wtf
steep plover
btw @steep plover look at the initial dmg of CT, when u hit 5 targets at once that dmg is already more than envenom
@rigid eagle right sweet
rigid eagle
ah rip then
steep plover
7> do u just focus 1 target?
balmy condor
Yeah that’s your job anyway as a haste build
steep plover
Spread bleeds, exsang high prio
Might try it out this week
Fuck these affixes but
balmy condor
@fleet anchor send help why is worldvein popping off on this guys sims
Very confusion
fleet anchor
hmm?
rigid eagle
yeah dude the walls are closing in
balmy condor
He has bote3
Running exped/exsang
Looks normal
But WV Major is like 3%
And we have no idea why
fleet anchor
Because he has 10 Worldvein Allies in that sim
fleet anchor
I mean even with 0 WV is one of our best majors
balmy condor
Thought I checked
fleet anchor
Always has been
balmy condor
Yeah but 3% over bote?
fleet anchor
WV has always been better than BotE as long as you don't lose significant uptime during cooldowns
fleet anchor
Pretty much used WV exclusively this tier until CLF killed it due to neck scaling 😛
arctic walrus
it's a larger margin than usual because he doesn't have conflict 3
fleet anchor
People's fear of getting outside of the WV circle basically scares them off using it though
Even though it's like.. really easy to stay in during the on-use
Since the range is quite large
drifting cloud
yeah but the problem isnt the on use
its all the minor shards youre losing on alot of fights
fleet anchor
The on-use is the main source of the value for us though
Even with 0 allies and low shard uptime it's still good because it syncs with every CD cycle
rigid eagle
actually if i do run WV can i afford to save exsang for WV cd lol
fleet anchor
Best not to overthink being in the shards more or less if you do happen to use it
rigid eagle
im tempted to try it now
fleet anchor
It's something you can try to do but wouldn't stress about it too much
I mean it's a 12y radius
arctic walrus
fleet anchor
Which gives a pretty massive circle to run in
balmy condor
you make me learn something new every day koji
fleet anchor
Always depends on stats though
Assassination has more viable majors than most specs, even though most people only use one 😄
fleet anchor
The whole WV+CLF play with Formless can be pretty strong too
dim estuary
Hi guys, can I borrow one of u in PM to ask 2-3 things about assination against outlaw ?
fleet anchor
Breath will be back on the menu in the prepatch too probably
After we lose our precious haste
fleet anchor
Breath only got squeezed out by GCD lock
It was performing really well otherwise
I'm not looking forward to prepatch going back down to like 10 APM
😛
fleet anchor
Ok I'm using hyperbole
balmy condor
high estimates
fleet anchor
More like 5
fleet anchor
@dim estuary Sure but like.. just play what you want to play mostly 😄
dim estuary
ahahah
fleet anchor
hah
dim estuary
i'm a sin guy from last expac
dim estuary
but i tried outlaw for the first time and I need to get convinced to stay sin ahah
i'm more m+ oriented
drifting cloud
just play outlaw in m+
fleet anchor
Outlaw is pretty fun
balmy condor
yeah sin has its shortfalls in m+
fleet anchor
Assassination takes a lot of gear setup to be as fun as Outlaw in M+ to be perfectly honest
balmy condor
outlaw is just everything you need
dim estuary
it felt more dynamic than sin with my low ilvl (430)
fleet anchor
Assassination is fun in M+... when you spend 10985 years getting a good setup for it
But at lower ilevel I think Outlaw is probably the play
drifting cloud
poisons bomb doesnt do dmg anymore
dim estuary
😮
balmy condor
poison bomb is rubbish
fleet anchor
But you can play what you want honestly, both specs can be good
But if you stick with Assassination the gear requirements are a bit higher for sure
dim estuary
yeah, but on bosses it feels like it's so fucking slow
dim estuary
maybe i can start outlaw then i'll go sin when I can minmax the spec better ?
fervent jasper
i play both specs in m+ and i honestly think i do more damage as assassination
the issue im running into is with how good mages and hunters are, nobody cares about the rogue's damage
fleet anchor
I think that may be possible now yes
fervent jasper
it just needs to be reasaonable
fleet anchor
My damage feels slightly higher as Assassination nowadays, but my gear is a bit better too
More sockets on my Assassination gear
dim estuary
i just dinged yesterday i'm 430 currently
fervent jasper
youre there for trix, vanish skips, mob control, and the occasional shroud
in which case outlaw has the edge
and if no matter what you do youre 40-50k behind the nuclear mage in your group
dim estuary
lmao
fervent jasper
theyre going to prefer you play outlaw for more easily facilitating those things
dim estuary
i switched from fire mage to go back to my rogue
fervent jasper
so i have the opposite experience from Koji
im doing more damage as sin on high keys (24s and 25s) with 3 less sockets
but when i say more, i mean like 5-10k overall more
and most groups will not care enough about that to sacrifice the CD on Vanish, and gouge
dim estuary
and if I decide to go the haste ST build then
fervent jasper
since again the mage and hunter are carrying the dps anyway
dim estuary
i'll still be decent in m+ and excelling on bosses then right ?
fervent jasper
its going to give you very good ST for the bosses for sure
dim estuary
actually I only aim to clear all 15 timed first so...
fervent jasper
i have ran into an issue where my 2nd vendetta lines up with the mage's 2nd combust and they basically kill the boss before i get full value
on fort weeks (push weeks)
however having tested it i wont pretend its anywhere near as good in AOE as the crt build
if you only want to clear all 15s you can run the haste build
those can be 3 manned
you can run anything you want and its more than fine