The 100% part was the core part 😦
#assassination
fleet anchor
True!
fleet anchor
Execute Bracers I hope
shut garnet
think about it, it doesnt really matter what crit% u got, it's 5050, u either crit or u dont
shut garnet
soft cap of everything is 34%
fleet anchor
Well, look at it the other way though
Even if you have 50% crit
50% of the time the talent does nothing!
balmy condor
what a bad talent
main blaze
34% of the time it works every time
fleet anchor
I do like talents that don't work half the time
balmy condor
50% of the time the talent does nothing
umbral rapids
Glass half empty kind of guy
umbral rapids
fleet anchor
I'd prefer to be a glass 0% empty kind of guy 🤣
umbral rapids
fleet anchor
Not totally sure why they didn't go with the 100% crit thing.. guess they thought it would be OP?
Honestly that talent row in general is not super strong
Probably would have been fine
balmy condor
sad subterfuge garrote noises
fleet anchor
Other than the SS interaction that row is really throwaway
From a DPS perspective
It's one of the weaker talent tiers
main blaze
I wonder what the statistics of people who have chosen Blindside, Nightstalker, and Venom rush for BFA
main blaze
Yeah haha
fleet anchor
Nightstalker is really close surprisingly
fleet whale
if you use BoTE with MA the crits are pretty much guaranteed
balmy condor
venom rush is a wild ass design
patent topaz
imagine creating 12 more talent trees while you cant balance trees on classes themselves
fleet anchor
Venom Rush is absolute utter trash though
balmy condor
yeah
fleet whale
i like the new blindside
fleet anchor
Like it baffles me that even exists
fleet whale
but i feel like half of that talent should be baseline
balmy condor
or venom rush
fleet anchor
Blindside
balmy condor
fleet whale
the SL blindside is a bit better
fleet anchor
Blindside also doesn't work with Double Dose
But literally Blindside is not worth using other than for the free procs
fleet whale
it will be ambush and generate more cps
balmy condor
imagine putting dev time into sin rogue
fleet whale
and probably deal more damage
fleet whale
and it's only a proc
balmy condor
I'm still waiting for our talent reworks
we have like 3 rows that are just really garbage
forced into poison bomb single target
is kinda shit
patent topaz
remember when you used envenom at 3 cp because EP was so strong
fleet whale
it's why i think assassination has one of the worst talent trees in the game
even if other aspects of the spec is fine
balmy condor
EP is kinda awful
just passive 4head damage
our 60 row isn't that interesting either imo
fleet whale
like look at our "exciting" talent row
TB, Exsang, Venom rush
two of those abilities are fine
but they don't like blow your mind away
balmy condor
venom rush dead, blindside dead, mfd kinda dead in pve
sullen pagoda
tb and exsang are perfectly fine as talents
fleet whale
they are, but they are like our big talents
fleet anchor
Venom Rush needs to be totally redesigned 😦
balmy condor
yeah tb vs exsang is actually interesting
fleet whale
and as big talents they are somewhat underwhelming
sullen pagoda
how are they underwhelming when they legit defined rest of our build through legion
fleet whale
one of them is just colossus smash reskinned
sullen pagoda
not really colossus smash is so much different
balmy condor
CT is the only talent on there I would keep tbh
patent topaz
I hope they dont give assa alacrity
sullen pagoda
you dont really care about CS but the buff after
fleet whale
how is it much different
fleet anchor
Elaborate Planning is worth like 7.6% DPS and Blindside is barely even anything.. for some builds it's a DPS loss
sullen pagoda
while toxic blade was a buff u played around decent amount for min max
fleet whale
i don't think you really have to play around TB though
fleet anchor
TB you mostly just pooled before it came out and ripped it off on CD
It is not too bad
sullen pagoda
I mean you dont really need to play around anything its not punishing enough
fleet whale
like you refresh bleeds if you have to during
balmy condor
yeah at least you had the interaction of prepping for big envenoms
sullen pagoda
but if you are going for logs u still want to play it perfectly
not just good enough
fleet anchor
For comparison though, Exsang is worth 6.3% DPS over no talent even with a bleed setup
TB is still worth 2.8%
Venom Rush worth 1.6%
fleet whale
but regardless, my point is it's basically a colossus/damage window button
fleet anchor
Elaborate Planning is actually probably our strongest talent
sullen pagoda
damage windows are fine tho
much better than
agonizing poison
we had before
now that shit was absolute garbage
to exist in that row
fleet whale
i hated AP and i'll take TB over it any day
balmy condor
wdym, you didn't like mastery stacking because it was just better vers?
fleet anchor
Compared to Alacrity now 🤣
balmy condor
fleet whale
i just think TB isn't all that exciting as an "ultimate" talent, but it's being made baseline anyway so that really won't be an issue
sullen pagoda
yeah imo Alacrity as talent should just be gone for all specs
patent topaz
same
fleet anchor
Subterfuge tier without SS Azerite goes down to being worth like 2-4%
For all 3 of them
fleet whale
so possibly we'll be back to a Wotlk naxx playstyle
dusky moon
Crimson Tempest or Poison Bomb in M+ ?
fleet anchor
It's really our weakest tier outside of SS
balmy condor
@dusky moon poison bomb only for big ST, 95% of the time CT
fleet whale
there was a time Venom rush was better than exsang this expansion lol
fleet anchor
Yeah
fleet whale
exsang really only got really good again this tier
fleet anchor
Alacrity+Elaborate Planning may as well just be the same thing
fleet whale
problem is in blizz's class preview
didn't blizz say that there would be a talent that reduce's Shiv's cd?
fleet anchor
I mean it is possible they replace Alacrity
With a new TB filler
I wouldn't hold my breath
fleet whale
but that would mean blizz's post was a lie
balmy condor
they can't seem to decide what they want to do with sin tbh
fleet anchor
Considering we still have 2 TBD talents for Outlaw and Sub to make 🤣
balmy condor
like blindside as an execute, but bleeds, but poisons, but stealth
but not stealth
but big mutilates
fan of knives bad lets add a fan of knives talent
fleet anchor
They should just make Venom Rush a C&P of Double Dose
fleet whale
Go back to legion antorus sin when you drowned people in poisons
fleet anchor
Would be better than what they have now
fleet whale
while reducing poison bomb rng
balmy condor
you mean remove poison bomb
so we actually have an interesting talent to take in raids
patent topaz
maybe they are doing talent overhauls thats why its taken this long to implement missing talents
fleet whale
also why is dreadlord's deceit a talent
fleet anchor
I could see a world where Master Poisoner could be strong initially
balmy condor
I just hate how passive all of our ST stuff is tbh
sullen pagoda
idk i think Master poison and EP really shouldnt exist together
fleet anchor
If they buff Slaughter Poison for example, Master Poisoner could potentially be a thing I guess
fleet whale
there isn't enough main rogue players on alpha it seems like
sullen pagoda
either remove one or another having 2 passive damage talents in a row
is kinda bad design
balmy condor
they haven't invited rogues lmao
fleet whale
they invited dalaran gaming lol
balmy condor
no top m+ rogues
wet ruin
can I just mention you are all neglecting pvp
balmy condor
no theorycrafters
fleet whale
i guess he counts?
fleet anchor
Mystler got in through wowhead otherwise yeah.. basically nothing 😦
balmy condor
this isn't the pvp channel
wet ruin
rogue needs talents for pvp as well
fleet whale
oh yeah that's the other problem
wet ruin
you can't assume all talents are for pve
sullen pagoda
isnt that guy a meme making bait youtube videos
fleet whale
i think the blizz devs think rogues are a pvp class
sullen pagoda
so not really a proper rogue except Mystler
fleet anchor
O
sullen pagoda
unlucky
fleet anchor
I'd care about PvP if WoW actually had good PvP anymore
sullen pagoda
so another memer youtuber
pale tiger
they invited tadorz
fleet anchor
Which it doesn't, so I don't 😛
pale tiger
but he's the only top m+ rogue i know of
sullen pagoda
they obviously care more about getting that free promo
than actual quality criticizm
fleet anchor
Did Infexious actually get in? I didn't think he had.
fleet whale
he has a torghast video
fleet anchor
Ah ok
fleet whale
so yeah he's in
balmy condor
yeah
fleet whale
i don't think SnD should exist for assassin imo
wet ruin
yea, what I am saying is that having 2 passive damage talents in a row is not necessarily bad when one is used for pvp
balmy condor
click baiting every soulbind and covenant as omega pog
pale tiger
literally nobody wants SnD
sullen pagoda
hopefully with beta starting they start inviting 12/12m players so we can finally get it 
balmy condor
can't wait for the shit show this channel is gonna be at the start of SL
fleet anchor
I mean I think if we're honest about it
Given the lack of changes
The placeholder talents
I don't think they have really even focused at all on Rogues and probably don't care much about feedback at this point
fleet whale
like i guarantee you the missing sub talent is just going to be master of subtlety
sullen pagoda
nah i doubt its something that already exists
fleet anchor
Mystler has a very long list
fleet anchor
Like for example the Outlaw Crit debuff on Between the Eyes
Doesn't even do anything
And never has
Like literally nothing
pale tiger
multi dollar company
fleet whale
how many of the devs do you think play rogue honestly
fleet whale
like i think sigma does kind of
sullen pagoda
didnt 1 of rogue devs leave
fleet anchor
Is when you Shadowstep to Ilgynoth
fleet whale
but he barely posts
balmy condor
Koji remember falling through dalaran with the training dummies in the order hall for 3 patches
and it got reported in alpha
and beta
and launch
and after that
and it took them like a year to fix it
good times
fleet anchor
DfA to Kin'garoth 
fleet whale
rogues are also one of the least played classes in the game
fleet anchor
But yes Sephuz was really good about Rogue development
stone fable
curious what is the benefit of 1 honed mind?
fleet anchor
But unfortunately left to join the Hearthstone team
fleet anchor
We miss Sephuz 😦
wet ruin
@fleet whale where are you getting this information from 😄
fleet anchor
Rogue is pretty low played for a pure spec
fleet anchor
Warlock/Mage/Hunter are all waaaay higher population than Rogue
Havoc by far the largest melee
fleet whale
and they have been ranking low for a long time now, and in MoP was the second least played class just in front of monks
balmy condor
warlock is 100% more popular
fleet anchor
Warlocks still have more N/H/M parses than Rogue by a bit
fleet whale
i think they should bake Echoing blades into FoK, or maybe bake SS into Subter
fleet anchor
Hunter and Demon Hunter are easily the most populous specs though
Demon Hunter really hurt Rogue numbers quite a bit tbh
balmy condor
baking SS into subt would make the TB talent unusable I would think
fleet whale
well blizz needs to release that TB talent assuming it will ever even exist
fleet anchor
And then combined with DH bringing a raid buff and Rogues having our raid buff removed in beta.. RIP
vital haven
actually ye destro locks are super popular
at least on logs
honestly ive always thought devs have always been very non comittal with rogues
fleet whale
this is pre-patch though
balmy condor
prepatch usually doesn't
fleet whale
not even fresh 60
balmy condor
prepatch is a stomp
sullen pagoda
oh we lose it in prepatch?
fleet whale
even legion pre-patch wasn't all that bad
balmy condor
yeah
sullen pagoda
like legendaires
fleet whale
nah, corruption is completely gone in the prepatch
sullen pagoda
thats kinda dumb
fleet whale
only azerite and essences will remain
balmy condor
gonna be a mess
sullen pagoda
they will need to work on balancing bosses for prepatch lmao
fleet whale
well stat squish too
sullen pagoda
nzoth having big dps check again
fleet whale
a lot of things are gonna be messed up
fleet anchor
Prepatch is gonna be wild
fleet whale
some specs are going to be brokenly op
fleet anchor
I'm skeptical about any retuning effort lol
fleet whale
others are gonna barely do more damage than tanks
fleet anchor
We basically have deprune
balmy condor
we didn't want classic
balmy condor
but we're getting classic boys
balmy condor
half the specs are going to be unusable
fleet whale
SND is our replacement for expedient
balmy condor
fleet anchor
In guild we are taking bets
balmy condor
yeah
fleet anchor
About which boss will be unkillable
fleet whale
i might have to reroll to either sub or outlaw
shut garnet
added bet
fleet whale
just so i can actually press buttons
shut garnet
with rogues on your team
sullen pagoda
release fetid 2.0 inc
fleet anchor
I think the current winning theory
Is that they will forget to scale the absorb on Carapace 🤣
fleet whale
so in theory are we going back to DD build when pre-patch hits with expedient lost?
patent topaz
I think they said they had an easy way to scale after the last squish
fleet anchor
Yeah DD will almost certainly be the play
balmy condor
"we'll get it right next time guys promise"
fleet anchor
We go back to getting TB passive though so the question is really about that tier
Probably just Alacrity unless they replace it
patent topaz
TB + exsang
fleet whale
i don't know if that is as good as it looks tbh
rigid eagle
wait guys, will the class changes go thru right with prepatch?
fleet whale
alacrity just seems way better
fleet anchor
Do you guys realize how much I'm looking forward to the Shiv+Exsang APL logic?
balmy condor
@rigid eagle yes
fleet anchor
🤔
rigid eagle
@balmy condor POG
balmy condor
always does
rigid eagle
did they announce a date?
balmy condor
no
rigid eagle
ah rip
sullen pagoda
didnt we have a "leak" about it being november
balmy condor
I'm starting to doubt blizzard even knows their timeline
fleet whale
we knew the BFA release date
fleet anchor
I mean for now it's locked into Q4 as per the financial statements
fleet whale
like really early
fleet anchor
If they want to change that, we probably won't know until the Q2 earnings call next month
fleet whale
it was kind of stupid by blizz but that seemed like it was influenced by acti
balmy condor
holiday release
fleet anchor
There's no way a public traded company just has a dev come out and give conflicting release dates to the financial briefing 🤣
fleet whale
PS5 and X series X is coming in November
rigid eagle
honestly tho i feel like bfa only sucks ass because rogues aren't like legion op anymore
wet ruin
@fleet anchor exsang + shiv together, big dam, energy from exsang bleeds and spamming stuff 😄
sullen pagoda
?
fleet whale
bfa sucks for other reasons
sullen pagoda
have u played start of bfa mate
fleet anchor
The fact that they didn't give a release date yet likely tells me they aren't even sure yet and are just hedging
fleet whale
rogues were at their strongest at bfa start
sullen pagoda
half hte people quit cuz gameplay of all classes was straight up garbage fire
fleet anchor
So doubt anyone knows
fleet whale
but the expansion was at it's worst
fleet whale
shiv does like 3 damage currently on the alpha lol
fleet anchor
Yes because it's an old ability
it's still WeaponDamage%
Which doesn't work anymore
fleet whale
would be nice if it did a little bit more damage than a mutilate like TB
just so it feels a little better to press
fleet anchor
It's like a "3% Weapon Damage" old-school ability
balmy condor
talking about damage of spells atm is just silly
when outlaw is doing like double damage of other specs
fleet anchor
@wet ruin the probably more likely it will just end up being spamming Shiv and Exsang on CD though lol
rigid eagle
@fleet anchor what's exsang competing against in the talent tree lol
fleet anchor
Alacrity
fleet whale
alacrity
fleet anchor
atm
wet ruin
probably, but 10% haste seems strong enough to never swap out of it, unless a set bonus or something
fleet anchor
Which it will not beat
fleet anchor
Unless Blizzard replacing Alacrity with some new talent for Shiv
rigid eagle
exsang might still be playable if we had alacrity too...
fleet anchor
Exsang losing Expedient is gonna be kinda iffy
rigid eagle
yeah
fleet whale
yeah, like exsang was pretty bad before expedient
balmy condor
exsang buffed back to 300%
and then blizz is like wait we've done this before
and promptly stomps it into the ground again
sullen pagoda
exsang was fine before expedient but yeah its not gonna compete with passive 10% haste thats just dumb
fleet whale
I'm going to be honest i actually hated the legion pre-patch exsang build
like yeah i did a ton of damage
but the playstyle was gross
exsang was losing to venom rush at one point lol
rigid eagle
lol legion prepatch was when 2 shadowstrikes would oneshot a normal player
i dont think they cared much about balacing lul
fleet whale
well they nerfed the crap out of exsang
fleet whale
i think it was 400% at the pre-patch start
balmy condor
imagine being that wrong about balancing
fleet whale
and a couple of weeks later down to 100%
and.... the nerf wasn't even announced
the tooltip literally changed in game
balmy condor
if it's even viable
fleet anchor
Still hard to see a path out of Alacrity
balmy condor
doesn't exist yet
fleet anchor
balmy condor
rigid eagle
wet ruin
poison build incomming
fleet anchor
Gotta bribe @vestal wren to kill some of the copious pepe emotes and add some more icons 🤣
vestal wren
we still have 17 slots for emotes, so we don't rly need to purge anything
rigid eagle
these emotes are a better way of self expression than actual words
fleet anchor
balmy condor
purge YET
just wait till the prepatch and SL memes
@vestal wren where's the 34% emote
patent topaz
3️⃣ 4️⃣
balmy condor
pog
balmy condor
fleet anchor
Truly the essence of SL Rogues
balmy condor
[PH]
how bout an emote
that's the same color as discord background
reflects the amount of time that they put into rogue dev
and the emptiness in my soul
rigid eagle
we're so stealthy you cant even see our talents
mental trout
any one good with macros? Would like to make one that uses... vendetta - toxic blade - blood of the enemey - vanish - galecallers boon
mental trout
oh really lol
balmy condor
cast sequences have been disabled yeah
macroing vendetta with a trinket is fine cause trinkets aren't on GCD
but multiple GCDs on the same button is a big no no
lost horizon
what
dark crag
/castsequence vendetta, toxic blade, heartessence, vanish, galecallers boon
balmy condor
the fuck
lost horizon
idk where tf you got that from
lost horizon
no
dark crag
No
finite nebula
Hey guys I am coming back to wow and wondering how the rouge is looking stacking up agiasnt other dps right now? I am fairly new to rouge so how does playing a class with three dps specs works with hot fixes and such?
lost horizon
@finite nebula depends on context
are you looking to play right now? are you looking ahead to SL?
shy dust
Rogue is Okay currently. Rogue usually has one spec performing good in the 3 environments
lost horizon
what type of content are you trying to play?
dark crag
You play what's best for the given encounter
pale tiger
assa rogue is middle of the pack in raids and outlaw is a must have in high keys for utility but doesn't do great damage
rigid eagle
well my /castsequence Cold blood -> Cheapshot macro still works..
finite nebula
ahead to SL mainly and played a little on my rouge but I am wondering/worried who to invest in, never fully dived into a 3 dps spec class
balmy condor
oh I see where I went wrong
castsequences were bugged on BFA alpha and everyone lost their mind
dark crag
Except when they are equal or you need to fill a specific role like tunnel boss dps
balmy condor
never realized they didn't remove it
finite nebula
always played DH and looking for a possible change
but worried it will be hard ot manage a 3dps spec class
lost horizon
you can play multiple specs and try to dip into the best of what each is good at
but you can also just stick to one
they're usually balanced close enough
dark crag
Cold blood is off gcd
lost horizon
inevitably though sometimes some will shoot ahead or fall behind
finite nebula
do you always have gear to change for it or how do you handle changes?
dark crag
You need mostly weapons
balmy condor
some stat changes as well
mostly the changes come from patch to patch though
so you'll be able to re-gear in the new m+ season and raid
dark crag
You can play outlaw with assa gear but you won't do r1 dps but for like hivemind encounter it wouldn't really matter. Corruption shit aside
finite nebula
gotcha yeah I wanna get practice on a class before SL to be fully ready
tropic ocean
if u always attack the main target every 3 sec
stacks dont drop
its pretty good I'd say
balmy condor
yuh
willow pulsar
78k overall or am i seeing it bad
tropic ocean
yeah
balmy condor
correct
balmy condor
yeah was about to say
willow pulsar
Oh thats why
balmy condor
logs just keep going
balmy condor
^
willow pulsar
Which surprises me
tropic ocean
ss ttk shoulder
vast forum
@tropic ocean losing to DH in KR 
willow pulsar
I have shoulders and helm
willow pulsar
Actually today i got ss ttk chest from visions, but its 465
tropic ocean
willow pulsar
It's just better to play hc carapce chest
prisma monolithBOT
Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.
green forge
Any idea how to find nyalotha pars run ?
Need that kind of hc raid killing bosses within a min 👀
Is there any discord or comunity doing that kind of run ?
balmy condor
Not to my knowledge
But you could get an in with a streamer or a guild and tag along on their parse run
Heroic parses though 
green forge
any streamer in your mind ?
balmy condor
No clue
green forge
😦
arctic walrus
get in a sale run
drifting cloud
sale runs kill stuff slow
rain obsidian
plum or gale
balmy condor
Gale does better if you can use it
Plumage is more consistent
Gale is strictly more damage, as long as you stand in it the whole duration
If you only land the exsang into the gale, it’s gonna be pretty close I think
rain obsidian
ok thanks
balmy condor
Np
north pond
455 gale or 470 humming black dragon scale?
balmy condor
Sim it
I’m tempted to say gale
Dragonscale is very consistent haste, but the gale for burst windows is pretty dirty
north pond
Ok thanks
drifting cloud
scale doesnt exist at 470? 
north pond
Oops 460 my bad
balmy condor
Oh well in that case the gale almost for sure lmao
I was assuming mythic dragonscale
rancid bobcat
depends on what your other thing is
neon siren
Does anyone know what build Yoda (golden guardians) was running in the tol-dagor MDI semifinal?
pale tiger
raid build
pale tiger
full st since they got a ton of their count from a giant cannon pull
neon siren
ok ty
Pooling echoes currently. not sure if i should wait for sever or give expedient a try as it is coming soon
mostly focused on m+
balmy condor
Wouldn’t bother with exped then
neon siren
but seems crazy to wait 2ish weeks with no good corruptions
balmy condor
The only reason he could run the haste set is because his team played around it
balmy condor
Yeah
pale tiger
but it only beats out the crit/EB build in specific scenarios
balmy condor
It’s usable, but given the choice, you would save on the expeds
pale tiger
tyrannical kr/ws/jy because bots and bolstering siege
and i guess tol if you use mdi strats lol
neon siren
maybe i can farm enough with the exspedients to be ready for severe
balmy condor
Perhaps
neon siren
just feels real bad atm with bad corruptions
pale tiger
you only want a few severes
balmy condor
But it’s strikethroughs right after
neon siren
ok ty for the feedback
woven summit
Would you guys use PP as a minor if you lack CNS or would you rather use Iris?
For m+
rain obsidian
what trinkets are good for m+? i feel like torment isnt that good but on wowhead it says its the best one on multi target
rain obsidian
so not gale?
balmy condor
You kinda switch them around depending on what you’re trying to focus
No, haste is our worst stat in m+
Also a lot of moving and dodging in m+
And you don’t usually run exsang
rain obsidian
oh okay so toxic blade in m+? and should i use vigor in m+ too or deeper stratagem
balmy condor
usually its 2-3x severe and the rest strikethrough, crit/vers 3x SS, 3x EB, vigor/TB/CT
you can run 3x SS, 2x EB and 1x TTK if you're feeling saucy
better single target
rain obsidian
ok ty is this good enough for m+ or should i change
urban spire
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green basalt
@balmy condor
balmy condor
thats me
green basalt
is a 460 looper of division good enough?
balmy condor
yeah
green basalt
perfect
balmy condor
5ilvl big whatever
green basalt
just got one going to farm the other one now
balmy condor
that one you should get a 465
green basalt
coolio 465 is +14 right?
balmy condor
I think so
balmy condor
mythic?
green basalt
yes
balmy condor
sick
green basalt
yeah felt coolio with some progress atleast
near coyote
What covenant looks the smoothest for rogue so far
balmy condor
yes
we got missing talents and a billion bugs and no balancing and all sorts of janky shit
gonna be difficult to say anything atm tbh
balmy condor
mint valve
is corrupted gladiator's medallion and plumage same stats?
balmy condor
yes
stiff flint
is it worth farming the division ;~;
balmy condor
eh
balmy condor
yeah probably not
if it drops it drops
but 25k mementos
could sim against a 465 division no socket
and see how much you'd lose
/gain
balmy condor
what?
stiff flint
i don't have division
balmy condor
:)
stiff flint
never used this before
we'll see how it goes
38dps difference
but that's with my current mid-transition build
so not sure what the difference would be once i've fully got the exanguinate build going
balmy condor
you would take elusiveness in bg's
cheat death in dungeons
leeching probably in open world
dusky kiln
ty
balmy condor
np
balmy condor
pins has a guide
drifting cloud
!guide
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warped siren
ty
quiet radish
@balmy condor i know earlier we were talking about coral vs plum and on a sim its really only showing a small increase is it really that important to get? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Zjx2sEJZdFcG2KmFK9Xdm
quiet radish
sigh another gear grind lol
balmy condor
yes you are playing an rpg
quiet radish
where does it go in the opener after vendetta ?
balmy condor
np
drifting cloud
I mean your guild doesnt raid mythic, nobody is forcing you to farm it
and if you want bigger dps gains, go farm mecha rings
balmy condor
^
drifting cloud
assuming you have echoes ready when exp3 comes back next reset
or well I dont know why else youd be playing 12 corr
warped siren
do I ever want to exsanguinate CT?
balmy condor
if its up sure
but don't force it
you wouldn't want to cast your empowered garrote and your 6cp rupture
and then a CT
and exsang it all
warped siren
kk
quiet radish
I actually have those rings in my bag waiting for Tuesday
Also @drifting cloud I was originally running gushing wounds and I’m slowly switching away from it and saving for Tuesday I got 45,000 echoes
manic harness
Any tips for doing more damage to Synapses on Mythic N'zoth? Trying to Mut, Rupture, Envenom but I still feel like I'm not doing enough damage
balmy condor
that's really all you got
arctic walrus
you can keep bleeds up on psychus alone and focus on mut/env on the synapses
arctic walrus
if you're really really lagging behind someone, preferably not you, can pick up breath major
dh/outlaw can be better to run that, but you can as well last resort
manic harness
I think I'll try that Vel
Thanks
Yeah I'm mostly having trouble with uptime, fires spawning on the synapses and the purple swirlies
balmy condor
in that case yeah breath major could be considered
arctic walrus
but that is also just natural for sin down there
one of the worse off specs for handling synapses
balmy condor
I mean, that makes it more of a contender then for breath if they're falling behind
obsidian egret
So I am super new to this discord but I was looking for some help with my assassination rogue and not really sure how to go about it here
balmy condor
well the first couple questions would be what content are you doing, and what build are you playing
obsidian egret
Ok that makes sense, heroic nyalotha and my guild is getting started on mythic and im not running exsanguinate
balmy condor
aighty
follow up then, why do you personally think that you need help
do you think you're gearing wrong, is it your rotation?
obsidian egret
Well I have just gone by icy veins so far and I feel like my talents and maybe azerite traits might not be the best
balmy condor
sounds good, do you simulate your character at all?
obsidian egret
My dps doesn't seem like it's as high as it could be
Yes, i run raidbots a lot but Im not too familiar with using it
balmy condor
okay well lets take a look at your gear first then, and maybe we can figure it out
obsidian egret
I havent really raided since MoP and back then I was a mage
balmy condor
feel free to post a top gear sim of your character either here, or you can dm me if you're more comfortable that way
obsidian egret
Im running one now, unless I can do it through here
balmy condor
discord bot doesn't support top gear
balmy condor
wdym
tawny cypress
if i run the double dose build it sims 2k higher than full bleed / haste
i thought haste build with shrouded suff x3 dark heart x3 was best
balmy condor
HoD 3x has never been best
but can you link a sim where that happens?
I'm guessing its all the severe's you have laying around
tawny cypress
my other build is loading
tawny cypress
is there a way to find just my top gear in bags without having to individually click random things?
balmy condor
I mean, yes, by clicking things that are possibly an upgrade instead of random things
tawny cypress
womp womp true
balmy condor
torment for example
not a trinket you want to be simming single target
that's pretty yikes
vita, probably want to lock that one all the time
balmy condor
still not how that works :)
pale tiger
lol
tawny cypress
hm good to know
balmy condor
if it didn't have a haste socket, it would probably get stomped
balmy condor
I can't find a sim where poison is beating it out
I'm like 4 or 5 sims deep at this point
and its just not happening
@tawny cypress ye idk man, I just ran I think sim 7 going after my chrome tabs atm its not getting better than this
anything TB is a solid 900-1k down everywhere I looked
torment also a 300 dps down
compact phoenix
can someone explain aoe rotation i just dont understand it
balmy condor
3x garrote from stealth, CT, fok into rupture for energy, maintain 4 bleeds, maintain CT, envenoms until 7+, then CT, if you have like 10+ and 3x EB you spam fok
is that too dense?
if it still doesn't make sense I can elaborate on stuff
jolly finch
if mobs aren't gonna live for very long do you rupture on low CPs or not rupture at all?
balmy condor
depends on what content we're doing and situation
rupture sniping for energy used to be a thing in raids, but now that we're stacking crazy haste, not really needed anymore
jolly finch
i dont play a lot of sin in aoe situations yet as i dont have 3x EB so not sure of a specific situation, but say drones on Hivemind maybe
balmy condor
yeah no don't hit drones with ruptures unless you're starving on energy for some weird ass reason
probably just shouldn't be hitting those in general
they just funnel into the raid and get meat grindered
jolly finch
I play outlaw on Hivemind anyway so it's not a good example but I guess that kind of mob is what I mean
balmy condor
yeah for some tiny bullshit like that def not
you would either envenom if it really needs to die
or you could consider rupturing if you need the energy super bad
which in 99% of situations, you don't
tawny cypress
94 is way higher than i was simming yesterday so i appreciate it
ive been doing mythic in gear that sims at like 87k and thought it was fine so this is really appreciated
tawny cypress
what do you think i should aim for to bring it up?
tawny cypress
I've got a 475 with haste mastery that i'm waiting for T3 haste to come out so i can put it on there
appendage is just a place holder currently
plucky shadow
Hi Guys, is there a bis gear list?
balmy condor
no
plucky shadow
Ok sad, which rings should i aim for?
balmy condor
too much volatility while gearing
mecha rings behind/haste for raids
the crit/mast ring from shrine and crit/vers from waycrest for m+
plucky shadow
1
balmy condor
scrap it
plucky shadow
plucky shadow
what do you mean way worse
balmy condor
nature damage and under 50%
still does damage
still okay
but its trash compared to behind/haste
plucky shadow
ah so i need to keep spamming junkyard haa
balmy condor
literally 50% less uptime
you need to spam junkyard and workshop
that nature ring ain't good either homeboy
balmy condor
division is junk, overclock is workshop
uncut schooner
opal minnow
iirc all the logic loops come from one and bit bands from the other
opal minnow
yeah
balmy condor
bit bands from workshop, logic loops from junk
opal minnow
get a logic loop of division and that + the nature damage bit band can hold you over till you get the haste proc one
plucky shadow
oh nice
nimble wing
!wa
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sacred turtle
there's a big gap between division and recursion rings?
sacred turtle
ok thanks
untold mortar
guys is there a someone who goes for 120k sims in 5 min?
arctic walrus
No
arctic walrus
The 485 is 
arctic walrus
Ye
balmy condor
4am blind whispyr strikes again
arctic walrus
It took me a second too cuz literally why would I assume you put an IS on a dagger lmao
drifting cloud
Alliance raiding 
balmy condor
Tru tru
untold mortar
obv i looked for a real one not this trash
arctic walrus
That’s why I said no
untold mortar
wasnt raz pretty close?
arctic walrus
Like 15 or 16 but he’s not grinding neck anymore
untold mortar
alright thats what i get close too
humble tiger
Since there is gonna be expedient 3 on sale soon, how would you select on what gear to put it on?
I'm currently at 469gs and around 50k dps, since i didn't get any haste corruptions
I feel like waiting for better gear leaves me stuck at low dps...
strange python
do u have mecha rings?
humble tiger
Should i? (Sorry studip question)
No i only have some generig 465/460 rings
strange python
mecha rings are just so much better
the proc is perma up on most bosses and the proc is 189 haste at 465
so farm them
and expedient them
humble tiger
So the
"Behind your target"
And
"Proccs hase"?
strange python
yes
humble tiger
Cool mate! Thanks a lot
Thqt gives me a clear target to farm
arctic walrus
You can buy the expedients but wait until you have a little more solid gear to put it on
The hardest to replace get expedient
strange lichen
I think the 3 ability proc is ok too
humble tiger
You can buy the expedients but wait until you have a little more solid gear to put it on
@arctic walrus
Stock up and use when chance arises 👍
shut garnet
didnt u move horde
shrewd night
vast forum
fuck applying to guilds tho, it's so boring
it feels like applying to a job
and i'm happily unemployed
rotund oak
crimson palm
guys is there a someone who goes for 120k sims in 5 min?
@untold mortar at 79 corr yes
untold mortar
can you link?
mental trout
Any one know how gearing etc works in the mdi?
royal lantern
warm parcel
you get whatever you want from vendors
mental trout
Wonder if there’s a way to see what gear they are running in any given run.
wet ruin
you should be able to see it in the brackets or something like that
or you could see it before
cunning grove
Bit of a dumb question, but what makes Lustrous Golden Plumage such a good pick compared to other on-use trinkets?
cunning grove
yeah true, so generally plum + vita is best all-round then?
strange python
gale is better if u can stand still for it's duration
strange python
ye Im using plum bc it's easier 8)
warm parcel
there is also the pvp eq for plum
but I would imagine that is harder to get than plum for most
and theyre the same trinket so Id count them as one
cunning grove
Yeah idd, just got a kings +14 on my alt rogue so im guessing it's worth a bonus roll
warm parcel
if you have nothing to roll from the raid
cunning grove
character is only 2 weeks old just done 2 hc clears so far and using vita + alchemy trinket
no luck for second carapace dagger sadly
empty ravine
hey so for horrific visions would purification proto be your best major essence?
or is that not a thing
and thats for soloing 5 mask or w/e
empty ravine
!essence
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haughty hollow
Most people just use Blood of the enemy.
empty ravine
okie dokie