assassination

[warm parcel]

Its objectively better not to look around your screen

For info that could be condensed

[vast forum]

i mean, i like the idea of blizzard allowing UI elements to be moved 🙂

[strange python]

excessive addons are a disease

[balmy condor]

[vast forum]

the fact that addons trivialize certain mechanics really limits blizz's boss design options

[warm parcel]

Alright maybe well just stop with the hot takes here

Before it becomes a mess

[vast forum]

idk, when a weakaura presents you with massive text on your screen for what to do, instead of figuring it out yourself, it really kills the point of the mechanic

like on azshara mythic, the decrees

[warm parcel]

Seeing combo points in default UI makes playing too easy too

Dont have to keep count in head on how many Cps you at

Also energy

Just hide those

[vast forum]

that's part of the game though, massive text on your screen isn't

[patent topaz]

dont use it then

[warm parcel]

Its literally same exact info

Just moved where you want

[fiery fable]

should i be stacking versatiles for m+?

[balmy condor]

2-3x severe and the rest strikethroughs

[fiery fable]

cool, thanks!

[quick fable]

is there a corruption build thats all around good for raids, mythic+, and maybe even pvp? I see people stacking tendrils and a little gushing in raids.

[balmy condor]

not really all around good

stacking tendrils is probably your best bet

but it won't be good in really anything

it'll be meh

[quick fable]

It really sucks that i need 2 different sets and to farm all this corruption. Feelsbadman

[balmy condor]

such is sin rogue

[quick fable]

Thank you though

[balmy condor]

np

you could also make an exped set

which would crush in raids

and then run that in m+

your aoe is gonna suffer

but it'll sorta work

[mental trout]

just for every thing to go away in pre patch!

[quick fable]

Yea i see that in some of the mythic+ top performers

ill most liekly do that

[balmy condor]

only in specific keys

[quick fable]

boss oriented ones?

[balmy condor]

WS

[quick fable]

gotcha

[balmy condor]

you'll see it in KR sometimes

[quick fable]

i mean im not looking to go for anything crazy so if exp works for both im cool with it

[balmy condor]

but you want EB for that too

ye

exped is gonna be fine

[vast forum]

you can play full haste build in m+ perfectly fine

[quick fable]

yea ill just go with that. I also want to try to get better at pvp but i might as well wait till expac

[hollow vault]

9x gushing

[balmy condor]

could probably do that with a exped set too tbh

[vast forum]

9x gushing is actually the best overall build

[quick fable]

yea just gushing and stacking verse is broken

[vast forum]

across raids/pvp/m+

[balmy condor]

I kinda tend to disagree with that

I think tendies would probably beat it out

[vast forum]

?

in what universe?

[balmy condor]

but its certainly not bad

[vast forum]

please show 1 sim where tentacles beat GW on dps per corruption

single target/aoe/pvp

also they can be killed in pvp

[balmy condor]

ye i guess

[vast forum]

also, GW scales with 3 stats, tenties only scale with 2

[balmy condor]

idk, tendies pop off

[vast forum]

they have a higher variance

they pop off or they don't proc at all in a 4 min fight

i've had both situations

on average, GW will beat them in any content

[hollow vault]

tendies are not fun

[vast forum]

they are if they proc

i did m+ with a hpala with some tenties today and he did 90k on a boss over a minute

[hollow vault]

if they proc it's not the kill pull hehe

it is written

[strange python]

the troll haste racial is op for raids?

[balmy condor]

its good

[strange python]

i want to race change for troll or zandalari, but if the troll racial is a big diff, i'll prob change to it

[balmy condor]

but racials don't matter

probably won't notice it tbh

[strange python]

i mean, the expedients give way more haste for it

i like darkspears, so i think it will be nice

[arctic walrus]

you're not gonna be getting rank 1s just because you race change

[quaint vortex]

my simdps actually went down about 2k swapping from tendies to GW but the damage does feel a lot more consistent

[fleet whale]

i mean whatever gives you better results

roll with it

[north pond]

first 5 mask clear and of course i get haste vers infin stars bracers 😦

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[fleet whale]

could always cleanse them and put another corruption on them. Stats aren't terrible

[north pond]

thats my bracers now

[balmy condor]

yeah that's unlucky

I wouldn't socket those vers ones

[fleet whale]

Would still keep them in the bag though. If you're really unlucky and you have a ton of echoes might as well put exp 3 on them.

[balmy condor]

yeah

[north pond]

i have 32k atm but i dont have a single exp 3 so.. i started back playing the week after the vendor had it 😦

[strange python]

Crippling Poison and Prot war's C&S root ; what is the interaction

[balmy condor]

well good thing exped comes back this reset

not sure what you mean

root roots

crippling just slows

nothing fks the other

war gets C&S stacks

[strange python]

Does the slow dr the root?

[balmy condor]

shouldn't

but I don't see where it would matter

[fleet whale]

slows aren't affected by any DR as far as i know

[balmy condor]

correct

[fleet whale]

someone could have crippling poison on them forever

[balmy condor]

I think roots DR, but only off of other roots

[pale tiger]

slows actually do dr conflict major for warriors

[balmy condor]

seriously?

[pale tiger]

yes

[balmy condor]

that's mega fucking janky

[pale tiger]

so yeah don't use crippling poison if your tank is running it

his root just straight up won't work since it gets dr'd so fast

[balmy condor]

hm

I've never had that problem

wild

[pale tiger]

that's what nerftank says at least, i haven't tested it myself but i'd say he probably knows what he's talking about

[balmy condor]

TIL

[pale tiger]

i think its because thunderclap itself is a slow right

and conflict major makes it root

but since the slow is dr'd the root is never applied

but yeah kinda janky for sure

[balmy condor]

I thought slows don't DR

that's why sin crippling and frost mages and stuff have ridiculous slow control

[pale tiger]

[balmy condor]

I remember frost mage on stormwall prog

that shit was insane

[pale tiger]

don't take my word as gospel, i haven't tested it

but thats what the rank 1 warrior says

[balmy condor]

yeah but you generally know more weird M+ interactions than I do

so I generally trust

I haven't seen it happen either

so idk

yeah my 3770 tank friend just confirmed

it does DR conflict major

that's super fucked

also says his roots noped out when he used a sphere of suppression in his 23 JY

[pale tiger]

multi dollar company

[steep plover]

Is pawn useful at all since apparently stat weights are trash?

[balmy condor]

no

pawn hasn't been useful in years tbh

[prisma sail]

I'm playing my rogue again after a very long time, I've looked on wowhead, and the pins here, still for weapon enchants, quick nav on one and crit on the other? Best to put a slower weapon in MH?

[balmy condor]

no

dagger in both

or else you cant mut

[prisma sail]

weapon enchants?

[balmy condor]

quick/ded

ded/nav for m+

[glass saddle]

at what point of haste should u go for DS instead of vigor

[steep plover]

Simming will tell u that

[misty topaz]

hi new to rogue which site should i look at for guide at rotations?

wowhead?

[balmy condor]

pins, wowhead icyveins

[weary badger]

Hi guys, i'm reading the guides and they mention pandemic timers and snapshotting. Are those still applicable at the moment?

[balmy condor]

yes

haste snapshotting is only for exsang though

you don't have to worry about it for TB

pandemic is pretty important though

[runic kiln]

i assume obviously yes, but do you aim for 100% uptime on CT with that build?

[balmy condor]

yes

[ionic vault]

Hi, I'm a beginner but was wondering if someone could explain to me why do most opening sequence have double garrote?

[balmy condor]

subterfuge gives garrote increased damage from stealth

[runic kiln]

does CT pandemic-refresh like garrote and rupture?

[balmy condor]

yes

you cast garrote twice because of the pandemic timer

[ionic vault]

what the hell is that?

pandemic timer

[balmy condor]

you can refresh dots before they time out and maintain full effect

because the time remaining gets added on

up to 30% of the new dot's timer

[runic kiln]

yes to the pandemic on CT, whispyr?

[balmy condor]

so 18 second garrote can be refreshed at 5.4

correct, pandemic is the same on CT/gar/rup

always 30%

[runic kiln]

got it thanks, my WA doesnt give a pandemic warning for it

[balmy condor]

I can give you mine

if you want

and i think the ones in the bot

also have tracking

[ionic vault]

ok and I guess you also wanna cast it soon after coming out of stealth for the dmg boost from subterfuge

[balmy condor]

correct

so by double casting

you get a garrote, and then you cast again and extend the garrote to the full pandemic duration

basically gives you more uptime on the buffed garrote

[ionic vault]

where do I see tooltip for pandemic? is this a talent, skills, passive?

[balmy condor]

its a game mechanic

there is no tooltip

[weary badger]

it only works once, correct?

[balmy condor]

no, it works every time

[weary badger]

so empowered garrote cannot be kept up throughout a fight?

[ionic vault]

omg where does a noob like me could have possibly ever found that?!?

[balmy condor]

the damage doesn't transfer

its just duration of the new dot

so if you have an empowered garrote with 5 seconds left

you hit a new garrote

the damage is lost, but the duration is gained

that's why you let empowered garrotes drop off fully before reapplying

[runic kiln]

damn CT really makes it feel like you dont use env much

[balmy condor]

yeah

[ionic vault]

man I feel like im missing so much on rogue mechanics because im not tracking any of those active buffs

[balmy condor]

if you're using CT though in single target you'll be casting on basically every gcd

so you still get a ton of envenoms in

[ionic vault]

are you guys running Weak auras for that?

[balmy condor]

yeah

I track my dots and cooldowns

and that's basically it

[ionic vault]

mind linking your weak auras?

[weary badger]

oh ok

[balmy condor]

yeah hold on

[weary badger]

so essentially, if garrote is empowered, drop it off. If normal garrote, refresh at 5.4 or below

[balmy condor]

yes

[weary badger]

how about doing a refresh on empowered at below 5.4 or below if u can vanish garrote?

[ionic vault]

but if you garrote to come out of stealth and then garrote again within 3 secs you will refresh timer on the empowered garrote right?

[balmy condor]

never refresh empowered garrotes

correct kyllian

[weary badger]

ok

so for empowered only refresh within subtlety timer

subterfuge*

[balmy condor]

huh?

yes

you do that in opener to extend

in single target when you vanish, you'll already have a garrote up

so while you do want to gar-rup-gar later on (for the extra ticks)

you can use the other garrotes to cleave if you'd like

[weary badger]

yea i do that

how come u dont refresh an empowered garrote thats ending with vanish tho

[balmy condor]

you do in the opener

once they fall off, you vanish gar-finisher-gar

any other time, you're lining up vanish with vendetta for your burst window

so you never run into that situation again

[weary badger]

oh so u should save vanish for vendetta instead of

using it to refresh your opening empowered garrote

hmm ok

[balmy condor]

you do both

you do your opener, then once those garrotes fall off, you vanish for the empowered garrotes again

you exsang twice

and then you have the lineup again at 2:20ish

with full vanish/vendetta/exsang

you hold vendetta

and wait till vanish comes back up

[runic kiln]

assume you dont force CT for exsang

[balmy condor]

correct

if its up, its up

if its not, meh

if it drops off while you're setting up for the exsang

you would exsang, and then reapply on the first finisher after

[weary badger]

oh ok

i'm running TB atm cuz lowish gear

[balmy condor]

yeah unlucky

[weary badger]

whats the point u should switch to exsang

with enough haste?

[balmy condor]

exsang is usually around 30ish%

but you need azerite for it too

[weary badger]

30% haste?

yea.. shrouded suffocation?

[balmy condor]

correct

[weary badger]

oh

30% isnt hard to reach

[balmy condor]

yeah usually not

lot of the close to BiS players will have around 80%

30% can be hit really easily with a couple exped

[weary badger]

lemme ask

[balmy condor]

lemme answer

[weary badger]

its recommended to garrote 3 times in opener for cleave

but after 2 garrotes

u usually have max combo points

[balmy condor]

correct

[weary badger]

is it better to rupture first

[balmy condor]

no

[weary badger]

then go for the 3rd empowered

[balmy condor]

because then you can't do a third

subterfuge is a 3 second buff

if you gar-gar-rup

or gar-rup-gar

you can't get a third garrote in

that's why in cleave you do gar-gar-gar

[weary badger]

ah i see cuz of gcd

[balmy condor]

yeah, rogue's are gcd capped to 1 second

can't get any lower than that

[runic kiln]

opener feels so much less clean/lower burst with CT

[balmy condor]

I mean

clean is an opinion

but generally yeah, PB is going to be burstier

it still does good damage though

CT is just a high uptime vs PB being an rng uptime

[cobalt pelican]

poison bomb hits for like 10k

huge burst

[balmy condor]

I mean

its huge-r than CT after an exsang

our 100 talent row is a fucking disaster in terms of single target

we got passive aoe damage, aoe damage on fok, and CT

none of those will do much single target

but CT single target kinda pog

I'm glad that happened

[weary badger]

oh CT is good for ST?

[balmy condor]

with enough haste yeah

bout 60%

the tick rate becomes fast enough to where it does more overall damage single target than PB

[steep plover]

When using ur first vanish, do u wait for rupture to fall off aswell then g, r, g again or override the rupture?

[balmy condor]

vanish as soon as the garrotes drop

the rupture drops, you apply after

[steep plover]

Doesnt that override the exsanged rupture

[balmy condor]

what

no

you gar-env-gar

[steep plover]

Oh ok

Makes sense

[balmy condor]

[steep plover]

Ty

[balmy condor]

no problemo

[dusky kiln]

is the only aoe dot application we get fan of knives for wep poison? garrot and rupture are always cast single target casue we got no blsasde flurry right?

[balmy condor]

Correct

You mutilate and multi-dot on 2 targets and fok on 3 though, so it shouldn’t be a problem

[dusky kiln]

ye so basically come outve stealth and garrot everything up then fan of knives for the wep poisons then start on the ruptures and maintaining garrots right?

[balmy condor]

For aoe?

Not quite

[dusky kiln]

yeah for aoe

[balmy condor]

You would garrote 3x, CT, fok into a rupture, and then fok->envenom

Maintaining 4 dots and CT

On 7+ mobs, you fok->envenom

And on like 9 or 10 you just spam fok and maintain CT if you have 3x EB

Or something like that

[dusky kiln]

yeah awsome!

[balmy condor]

Not sure if it’s 9 or 10

[dusky kiln]

i totaly forgot about CT

since im onyl new just trying to gauge the feel for the future of the class but that clears it up WAY more

[balmy condor]

Basically the logic is empowered garrotes first, then making sure you have enough energy Regen from dots, and then just fan into finishers

[dusky kiln]

yeah awsome! thats cleared up alot for me thanks

[balmy condor]

Np

[dusky kiln]

and for ST its empowered garrote rupture and ct once the dots are up correcT?

[balmy condor]

With enough haste yeah you’re banking on exsang for big garrote damage

Maintain rupture for energy/damage

And CT cause our 100 talent row sucks

[dusky kiln]

also elaborate planning over master poisoner from the get go?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Our poisons don’t do a ton of damage in pve

[dusky kiln]

alright awsome master poison to pvp?

[balmy condor]

Ye

increases the effect of wound poison

Which is pretty solid

[dusky kiln]

ye sweet thanks again 🙂

[balmy condor]

No problem

[twilit stratus]

at what haste% ish can you drop lucid dreams minor?

single target

[balmy condor]

Also around 60%

[twilit stratus]

oki thank you sir

[balmy condor]

Np

[dusky kiln]

vigor over deeper stratagem or nah nto till endgame?

[balmy condor]

Yeah vigor for low gear

[dusky kiln]

ty

[umbral rapids]

How many times do you exsang between vendettas ? 🤔

I have trouble lining those

Do you hold exsang for vendetta or hold vendetta for exsang

[balmy condor]

2

Hold vendetta for exsang

Opener, exsang at 0:50ish, then exsang at 1:35ish, then full CDs at 2:20ish

[umbral rapids]

Uhhh

Oh opener with exsang nvm kek

Okok

[balmy condor]

Nice :P

[umbral rapids]

Just woke up

[balmy condor]

EU rogue

[umbral rapids]

After hitting a dummy for hours

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

Gonna try it in hc clear tonight

I still don’t have enough gear but it’s gonna be good experience

[balmy condor]

How much haste you rocking

[umbral rapids]

35% or something

[balmy condor]

Oof

Expeds wednesday boi

[umbral rapids]

Ye i’m just dabbling around atm

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Get that bread

[umbral rapids]

Buying at least 4

What sucks the most

Is my recursion has severe kekw

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s kinda tragic

[umbral rapids]

That’s my outlaw ring

[balmy condor]

I think I’m buying one exped this week

[umbral rapids]

Is there an ICD on the effect or not ?

[balmy condor]

And then saving the rest for strikethroughs

On recursion?

[umbral rapids]

I want 5 but idk if i can get enough echoes

Yeah

[balmy condor]

The 3 spells have to be cast after the haste drops

[umbral rapids]

Ok

So pretty high uptime on the buff

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Not as high as behind

But it’s still good

[umbral rapids]

Wait you use behind over recursion ?

[balmy condor]

Yeah 100%

[umbral rapids]

Hmmm

What qualifies as behind ?

[balmy condor]

Bleeds count as behind

[umbral rapids]

Say on wrathion where we’re on the side of the boss

[balmy condor]

Poisons as well

So you never have to actually be “behind” the boss

[umbral rapids]

What

So I can rupture from whatever and it’s still gonna count as behind

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[umbral rapids]

So it’s basically always ip

Up

[balmy condor]

The rupture procs it

Yeah exactly

[umbral rapids]

What

That’s .... odd

[balmy condor]

It’s similar to how other buffs use to work as well

[umbral rapids]

Brb checking restoration

[balmy condor]

I can’t remember them off the top of my head

[umbral rapids]

idk I didn’t play with buffs like this before

[balmy condor]

But I think the bleeds proccing “from behind” type things always worked

I vaguely remember there being some legion thing

But I can’t fucking remember

The fabled 3 brain cells of whispyr strike once more

[strange python]

the transformation has begun

[umbral rapids]

What’s the ring called ?

[balmy condor]

Division

[umbral rapids]

Okok

[balmy condor]

If you scrapped that shit

[umbral rapids]

Nah

[balmy condor]

I’m gonna flämë you

[umbral rapids]

I scrapped a maintenance

Man I ran those dungeons so many times i’m surprised I never got one

[balmy condor]

So Is half of this channel

[umbral rapids]

[balmy condor]

Lul

That’s a good one

[umbral rapids]

idk if this is better than dice + 460 vita

or gcb

[balmy condor]

Don’t make me say it

Don’t do it man

I’ll say the thing

You know I will

[umbral rapids]

Sim i know

Need to restore it then I’ll sim it

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

Just thinking out loud

[balmy condor]

Gear compare

[umbral rapids]

Gcb sims higher so far

[balmy condor]

Sim now, restore later

[umbral rapids]

But it feels weird to use in a lot of fights

Or seems weird at least

[balmy condor]

Yeah, plumage you can Macro and forget

[umbral rapids]

Macro with what

[balmy condor]

Gcb you have to plan out the ones in between

Vendetta

[umbral rapids]

idk when you pop those

I only use passive ones atm cause little brain

[balmy condor]

GCB I Macro with vendetta as well

But It’s a 1 min cd

So I gotta use it in between as well

That kinda blows

[umbral rapids]

kekw

[balmy condor]

Plumage is also pretty pog in m+

[umbral rapids]

You just macro plumage with vendetta ?

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[umbral rapids]

Well I don’t plan on playing sin in m+ anyway

Unless it gets super good in SL

[balmy condor]

I don’t plan on playing outlaw in SL

[umbral rapids]

Going for raid stuff so I can raid mythic

[balmy condor]

Can go roll your bones right the fk out of my sight

Sub getting an aoe finisher tho

[umbral rapids]

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

Hahah

Well I spent 6 months gearing my outlaw

😅

[balmy condor]

And you can spend 0 months gearing it in SL

[umbral rapids]

I tried a jy 18 as sin and ended up with 95k overall kek

Yeah in SL we’ll see

[strange python]

And poisons

[umbral rapids]

I’ll just play whatever spec is good in my situation

[balmy condor]

95k isn’t bad

[umbral rapids]

95k with shock bots

[balmy condor]

JY with zap you should probably be around 110

But still

Acceptable

[umbral rapids]

I’d do 120 on outlaw

[balmy condor]

Yeah

120 depending on pulls

[umbral rapids]

Spent half the dungeon trying to gouge

I used kidney shot like twice

[balmy condor]

Sin’s just so good it doesn’t need gouge

[umbral rapids]

If it’s better in sl sure

We’ll see by then

For now I’m just learning

[balmy condor]

I also bound BTE to the same key as kidney that one time I decided to hate myself and play outlaw

So idk, that’s a you problem

[umbral rapids]

I have it bound to the same key....

Still didn’t use it

[balmy condor]

And your muscle memory fked you

Sick

[umbral rapids]

Not even

I finished with envenom every single time

[balmy condor]

Mfw I get yelled at my prot war because I’m stun DRing a mob

[umbral rapids]

Story of my outlaw life

« Dude stop stunning »

Bruh.......

[balmy condor]

I CANT ITS DAMAGE

[umbral rapids]

Who cares anyway

I gotta say

On some mobs I hold bte

[balmy condor]

The one thing we all get shit for is cannons on TD

[umbral rapids]

When i know there’s a cast coming

So much pressure

[balmy condor]

Every tank wants them slightly fucking different

[umbral rapids]

Yeah

Some set it up

Some don’t

[balmy condor]

It’s bolster week, so the first cannon I did 2 rounds in the front pack, and then 3 in the back

Tank screamed at me and then did the other cannon himself

[umbral rapids]

Uh oh

[balmy condor]

Cause “that’s not what you do” ye ok bud

[umbral rapids]

I usually ask the tank before hand if he wants/can set it up

[raw pecan]

Back to the Times when you had unlimited shots in cannon [*]

[umbral rapids]

It’s so much easier if they can go in and out and group them

[balmy condor]

We were a 4 man and the tank was a pug

[umbral rapids]

But 90% of the tanks just sit there

Waiting for tricks

[balmy condor]

Didn’t want to join disc

Made like 3 dumbs pulls

Cost us the timer

[umbral rapids]

F

[balmy condor]

Blamed cannon

[umbral rapids]

First 21 was TD

We scuffed a lot of pulls

[balmy condor]

Not the pull on the beach where he grabbed 4-5 crabs, 2 alligators, and the parasites

[umbral rapids]

Tanks goes « rogue if you don’t fuck up cannons we time it » THE PRESSURE

[balmy condor]

Then proceeded to TD the parasites to death, bolstering the other 6 mobs

Fkin idiot

[umbral rapids]

D:

[balmy condor]

My first 21 was a temple

[umbral rapids]

And that’s why I don’t play tank this week

My first 21 was TD, my firstand only 22 is TD

[balmy condor]

Temple is kinda free tbh

[umbral rapids]

Ye temple was my first 20

[balmy condor]

One sketchy pack after snake

And then smooth sailing

[umbral rapids]

In the orb rooms, I always try to solo right side

[balmy condor]

My 3700io tank friend reset the last boss in a 15 trying to pull the trash in

We didn’t time

[umbral rapids]

And the tank ALWAYS leaps and breaks my blind and sap

Jdjzjdjzj

Dude I worked for that shit

He left with a guardian ?

And it reset?

[balmy condor]

Ye

[umbral rapids]

Riiiip

[balmy condor]

People followed him out too

Tank go that way

We follow tank

[umbral rapids]

Yeah i just tricks the tank and pull

[balmy condor]

Shrouding the last boss is kinda sick tho

Ngl

[umbral rapids]

Didn’t try it yet

[balmy condor]

I did it in a 21 this week

Was pretty sweet

First phase was just done and over in like 30 seconds

[umbral rapids]

I’m taking a break from 20+ until next push week i’m burnt out

Dang

Ye i need to try that

[balmy condor]

They made me do it in a 0 beforehand

Cause they didn’t trust

[umbral rapids]

Hahah

Tldr you shroud close to the boss tank stays out and starts the encounter

Right ?

[balmy condor]

No

You shroud the boss

Adds spawn

Boss invis, they can’t channel

They run to the tank

[umbral rapids]

That’s what I’m saying

[balmy condor]

Oh

[umbral rapids]

Close to the boss so she’s in shroud

[balmy condor]

I read wrong

Yes

[umbral rapids]

So only tank stays outside shroud

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t matter

Your party doesn’t get shrouded

It’s just you and the boss

[umbral rapids]

Oh true shouldn’t matter

[balmy condor]

When you start the fight it puts you in combat

[umbral rapids]

But not the boss ?

[balmy condor]

The boss isn’t really “in combat”

[umbral rapids]

They’re so never patching this lol

[balmy condor]

That’s why it works

The boss is basically sapped

To my understanding

So it’s impaired but not actually in combat

[umbral rapids]

I see

@balmy condor would you prio crit second ?

[balmy condor]

For what

[umbral rapids]

Exsang haste build

As a stat

[balmy condor]

Yeah, up to 34%, then mastery

[umbral rapids]

-_-

[balmy condor]

Crit and mast are both fine as secondaries

A vers piece won’t hurt you

[umbral rapids]

Looking through restore stuff and I have a shitton of 465s

And a few 475s

[balmy condor]

Haste/crit generally pretty pog

[umbral rapids]

[balmy condor]

I’ve seen some people recently gem crit as well

Might be something to consider depending on how high those expeds take you next week

[umbral rapids]

Yeah i’m gonna miss a ton of gems

[balmy condor]

Sims also telling people to gem mastery

Kinda wild

[umbral rapids]

8 on outlaw set :(((

[balmy condor]

I think mine wants mastery

[umbral rapids]

So far i have like... 2 on sin gear

kekw

[balmy condor]

Oof

[umbral rapids]

6 months to gear as i said :p

i have haste on all pieces tho that's nice

[fiery fable]

Is it normal for a sin rogue to be carrying a 12% TD lmao, been seeing it a lot recently in m+

[balmy condor]

Not really

But it works

Some people have been talking 1 corruption for the single target

Usually mind flay’s or gw

But typically you just go 2x EB 1x TTK and it’s fine

Might not have the strikethroughs yet

Idk

[umbral rapids]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mpS3qsM25PzSLnyBCnpuG8

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

You compared to a harlans

Didn’t you want to compare to gcb

[umbral rapids]

no

well i'll restore anyway

[balmy condor]

[umbral rapids]

dude

i don't feel like playing gcb

for now

[balmy condor]

Gcb is

[umbral rapids]

meh

[south umbra]

any thoughts on what best covenant will be for sin?

[umbral rapids]

@balmy condor gib vendetta plumage macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[dense storm]

!wa

[balmy condor]

Not at my pc

But watch this

[umbral rapids]

ur big brain you remember it

i'm smol brain i copy paste

[balmy condor]

#showtooltip
/cast vendetta
/cast 14

Or is it 16

Hol up

Counting equip slots

In my head like a dweeb

[umbral rapids]

which one is it

[balmy condor]

14 is the bottom

I remember

13 is the top

There

Copy that

Works like a charm

Also @south umbra we’re not even in beta yet, so I’m gonna tell you with absolute surety that it’s venthyr, even though not even blizzard knows yet cause there hasn’t been tuning

[umbral rapids]

thanks champ

you scammed me

[balmy condor]

What I do

I didn’t do nothin

[umbral rapids]

it didn't work

:(

[balmy condor]

Uh

Try /use 14?

[umbral rapids]

pog

thanks champ

[balmy condor]

Np

^ Bad trait don’t recommend

[umbral rapids]

[balmy condor]

That’s a nice EB/SS helm you have there

Great m+ azerite

Gz

Np isn’t that bad though

[willow isle]

Hi :) I know that m+ is crit build and raid is haste build. Which one do you think is better for only one set of gear for both raid and m+?

[balmy condor]

Haste

But really it depends on what you want to focus more

A crit build would work better in m+ and worse in raids, a haste build works better in raids, but worse in m+ like you mentioned

They both sorta work for the other if you itemize properly

I’d personally go with a haste build though

[willow isle]

Yeah, I know what is batter for what. But there is no info in guides for universal set of gear for both. I want to do raid weekly and some m+. But I don't want to farm two set of gears :D So haste with exsang build?

[balmy condor]

That’s because there is no universal set

You’ll be worse off in one regardless of what you pick

It’s really up to your preference

You’ll be fine either way

[red pagoda]

btw for that macro I think you can just use /use Lustrous Golden Plumage. Works for me at least

[warm parcel]

You can but use 13/14 are universal

Just like 6 is for belt 10 for gloves 13 for cloak

16 or 18 for tabard

[balmy condor]

Yeah

Allows you to swap for gcb

Or coral if you’re weird

I guess it would work

You just have to use it after

[thorn crown]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Its very hard to make statements about stat trends in the current patch.
Please use a simulation to generate results for your personal gear situation.

[strange python]

what do you prefer mechagon Haste ring or the damage when attacking from the back?

Bleed build

[balmy condor]

Yes

Behind/haste

3spell/haste isn’t bad either, but the uptime is slightly lower

[strange python]

ive tried it out with the thing from behind

seems like it has an cooldown

atleast against the training mobs

[red pagoda]

all the procs have a 15 sec cooldown

[strange python]

jes

well would be broken af if it wouldnt aight xD

[balmy condor]

anyway night night
Gl in raid @umbral rapids

[umbral rapids]

Thanks !!!

Good night mate :)

[plain thistle]

@strange python buff last for 15s, uptime is close to 98-100%

last 15s with 15 cd 🙂

[main forge]

yeah my raid logs on maut and shad'har show pretty much 98% uptime min.

[midnight widget]

As a very fresh assasination rogue I have access to r3 cruciable and some other r1 essences. I know which essences I'll have in the end but what should be the buying order from Mother?

[strange python]

the ones that take the longest to get

I would start with buying blood

[wise jewel]

Which azerite pieces should i try to go for to put in a AoE/m+ build?

[warm olive]

SS/EB pieces, highest chance is shoulder, then chest and head last

[wise jewel]

ok so i need shoulders and head

thx

[ionic vault]

hey guys I recently downloaded Luxthos Weak aura for rogue ressources and rotation and hes tracking envenom duration. Is there a specific reason why we would want to track that?

[vast forum]

not really, no

[ionic vault]

ok

[vast forum]

you never adjust your rotation based on envenom

[ionic vault]

anything else more important to track that I could swap this tracker with ?

[vast forum]

important things vary based on the talents and gear you're using

in general, your CDs and bleeds should be the only important things to track, but at lower gear levels, tracking Elaborate Planning might be worth it

[little knot]

Is Haste, mastery always better than haste, crit for exang? I could swap a few pieces but I need to buy more exp3 and i dont know if its worth?

[plain thistle]

you need to sim that

[little knot]

I tried to sim but its not really working for me as i dont have corruptions on the gear i would be swapping to

[vital raptor]

thats why you use gear compare

[plain thistle]

and you can use top gear and add corruption

[vital raptor]

you put the corruption on the piece you want in the options and sim

[balmy condor]

Yeah, top gear, add the corruption, then copy that

Slap it in gear compare

And go nuts

[little knot]

ah okay thanks

[fast nacelle]

[ebon patio]

Hey everyone! I need some guidance on gearing and the exha build.

• First of all corruption. --> Basically adding just an EXP3 on gloves would be the best. (I thought replacing racing pulse with another exp3 and upgrading all my exp2 to exp3 would be better but apparently not.)
  https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qpVgekuhNiThQ56Raz3wjv
• On the other hand.. I know @balmy condor will say to get BOTE asap.. I'm just too lazy, I'm waiting for the next bg week (I think is in a week or two) but playing with CLF feels weird. Because after the first use on combo, it never lines up again unless I delay my combo for like 30-40 sec. So.. Should I just wait for it, or after the first combo use it on cd and forget about syncing it?
• Last but not least.. What's next for us once we reach 59 corr levels? (I know we can go past that, but my RL will prob kill me)

Thanks in advance!

[balmy condor]

What did I say

I’m fine with CLF

I use CLF

You’ll need bote if you’re doing keys tho

[ebon patio]

Yeah indeed. However atm I run keys as outlaw. Since spamming FoK === spamming RTB and I can't seem to get good pieces with assa traits

[balmy condor]

Yeah so for raids it’s fine

[ebon patio]

Do you go past 59 for raiding?

I will swap to bote when I get it, it will probably feel more natural to sync with the other stuff

[balmy condor]

Not usually

But if I’m trying to parse on first 3 or something

I’ll push it a little

I ain’t crazy like ausrr though

With his 90 corruption on Maut

[ebon patio]

One wrong proc there and bum, dead

Btw, quick question regarding aoe fights like carapace and hivemind. I'm doing those as outlaw since it feels like I dish out more damage (quite a lie since the dmg is spread). I have never tried doing those as assa, much less with the exha build

When adds pop up

is it a FoK spam + CT spam or just boss focusing?

[balmy condor]

Either or

You’ll want to probably fok CT if you want that pad damage

But fok envenom is fine too

[ebon patio]

I see. Thanks a lot for your time Whyspr!

[balmy condor]

Np

[dire spoke]

there is no energy gain through CT is it

or is the tooltip faulty

[unborn otter]

Garotte, Rupture, and internal bleeding only... Sadly.

[dire spoke]

yeah I see

[balmy condor]

would be busted

infinite energy the moment you have 4-5 mobs

[dire spoke]

surely

I got asked this question and I wasn't sure tbh

[quiet radish]

I had a coral question for Nzoth. I’m not sure if anybody else uses it for him but I’m currently trying to find the best way to maximize it. I found that if I use it on pshyus during part 1 and just dps him to increase the stacks then when he dies I can use them on our first dmg on Nzoth is this the correct thing to do? Also when I’m up top and I want to do the same thing how should I do it? Let me know if there is better ways of doing coral here or any other tips on it

[balmy condor]

you hold CDs for nzoth

also

coral

what you gonna stack coral on homeboy

[quiet radish]

U get 0 effect if you save your first coral on Nzoth because you won’t get any stacks

And it just wipes away every time

[drifting cloud]

it doesnt wipe away

[balmy condor]

tbh the only thing you can do with coral is the m+ thing where you just let it stack on dying mobs

[drifting cloud]

but its better to use just use it on psychus

[balmy condor]

which is kinda

[quiet radish]

If you can be a dedicated dps on psychus it’s honestly not too bad I was able to get on average 7-9 stacks

[balmy condor]

yeah

coral kinda blows

imo

fuck that

[quiet radish]

I’d rather have coral than plum

[balmy condor]

that

is pretty

you'd rather have less dps for more work

I mean, you live your life

[quiet radish]

I get it’s our “BIS” due to numbers but honestly vers isn’t our top 3 secondary stats and with more crit=more CP=more dmg

[balmy condor]

more vers = more dmg

?

[quiet radish]

But it’s not like we are already stacking vers so the jump up would be what an overall 6-9% for 30 seconds every 2 minutes

[balmy condor]

I'm confused about your logic here

our damage mainly comes from our burst windows every 2 minutes

plumage multiplies all of our damage

everytime we do that

[quiet radish]

Coral and plum both multiply our dmg during burst windows but it seems like coral provides more since more of our gear has crit on it vs vers

[drifting cloud]

your feelycraft is hillarious

[balmy condor]

that's actually just wrong

lmao

you'll need a lot of coral stacks before plumage becomes worse for your burst

and you're not going to get those stacks

[drifting cloud]

youd need more than the ppm of the trinket

and youre also losing the 20 ilvl of agi

all the time

[balmy condor]

yeah that too

also the whole "we have more crit than vers on our gear" makes actually no sense

if anything, that means coral becomes worse

[drifting cloud]

if you are 1st psychus coral is always worse than plumage on the stun

[balmy condor]

but even that

is kinda

[drifting cloud]

maybe if you use cds on actual psychus its slightly closer

after that they become closer, depends if your coral is baseline I guess

and a decent part of coral is the actual dmg from when it stacks up

which doesnt do anything on nzoth for the first 5min

since you have to go out of your way to keep dots on him so it even stacks up

[balmy condor]

and that's reduced damage too btw

I think you would want to roll the coral stacks on the mobs

[drifting cloud]

no you keep it on the boss

[balmy condor]

that's yucky

thank god I got rid of my coral

[drifting cloud]

it wasnt that bad on prog, but for parsing its just worse 😛

[balmy condor]

disgusting

[strange python]

!wa

[balmy condor]

bot down again

[vestal wren]

!wa bot should be up

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[balmy condor]

moroes been having some issues lately

not sure why

just not responding to people

[vestal wren]

the host seems to have some issues, nothing rly bad tho

[prisma sail]

trying to find the best guide, real quick, as a low ilvl rogue, which Major essence should I used, Lucid?

[vestal wren]

12k ms response time is probably enough to make the bot discard your request

[balmy condor]

you should probably roll with worldvein if you're super low

breath is good too

yeah anything over 6 or 7k gave me troubles with my bot

[little knot]

whats best opener for exang on mythic vex?

or anything with 2 adds

[balmy condor]

vex-add-vex for the garrotes for the extra tick

[vast forum]

vend before rupture

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess

[vast forum]

although it shouldn't make any significant difference

[balmy condor]

yeah

I don't think it matters that much

[sick oyster]

Add vex vex to have one less target switch?

[balmy condor]

I mean

sure

but you're missing a garrote tick

[umbral rapids]

@balmy condor assassination rogue in mdi

[balmy condor]

yeah me and nohwonder been talking bout it

he's playing the haste/exsang build too

current idea is that they're popping off on the cannon so the sin rogue single target gonna be poggies

there it is

sin rogue single target

[umbral rapids]

yeah they don't really need the aoe

[balmy condor]

gonna crush

[umbral rapids]

nvm they just pulled massive on 3rd boss

[novel drum]

hunters dealing with the aoe, and the rogue pumping boss for the same dmg

[balmy condor]

yeah also tricks > md for cannons

so

[umbral rapids]

not even close yeah

[balmy condor]

sin rogue mdi viable

[umbral rapids]

[balmy condor]

this garrote cleave boutta be poppin

[umbral rapids]

LMFAO that damage

[balmy condor]

THERE IT IS

POG

[umbral rapids]

that's 3 garrotes and vanish 3 garrotes ?

i guess

[balmy condor]

yeah

[umbral rapids]

oh wait

and he can dodge deadeye

[balmy condor]

3 garrotes into huge damage

[fleet anchor]

Mostly bringing him for tricks on cannons and their strat of opening the cages for buff while the rest of the group does obelisk

Like that he was playing Assassination

[balmy condor]

sin rogue pog boys

[shut garnet]

what u guys talking about

[umbral rapids]

i mean yeah but you still don't see sin

[shut garnet]

[fleet anchor]

MDI

[umbral rapids]

sin in mdi

[shut garnet]

u got a link

[balmy condor]

they ran sin rogue in MDI

[fleet anchor]

Yoda was playing Assassination for TD

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOS--XOjDvk

[fleet anchor]

But mostly been playing BM Hunter

A lot of these dungeons are triple BM Hunter comp

[balmy condor]

triple DK though

that worked out great

[umbral rapids]

[fleet anchor]

But yeah basically default is like triple BM Hunter, with DKs preferred if they can massively abused some giant pulls, and then Mage/Rogue being used for some specific strats, DH being used some some CC

[balmy condor]

imagine being blizzard though

[fleet anchor]

But imo I think it makes sense for him to be playing Assassination on that key

[balmy condor]

people pulled the entire dungeon into a cannon

so you cap the amount of shells

which just means you pull bigger

[fleet anchor]

GGs had some really great skips there

[umbral rapids]

they're so clean

[fleet anchor]

Although I will say I'm sad to see Skakib having to play Hunter while playuing with a DH tank 😄

[balmy condor]

shakib benched for tank

lul

[umbral rapids]

wait why

[balmy condor]

cause shakib used to be THE vengeance guy

and now he plays dps cause light is gg's tank

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean he played VDH like 99% of the time when he was in our guild for a few years 😄

For keys anyway

He always played Havoc in raid though

He's a very good DPS player too

[balmy condor]

wasn't he like top 10 io world

[fleet anchor]

I miss Shakib and JB!

[balmy condor]

koji coming in with the feels

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[umbral rapids]

i want to hug you now koji

[fleet anchor]

Haha, we were really happy for Skakib getting a spot in Limit though, that's really cool for him 😛

[umbral rapids]

[fleet anchor]

He's a pretty good Rogue player too!

[balmy condor]

but is he better than you

[fleet anchor]

No of course not

[balmy condor]

hmmmm

screenshotted

dming shakib right now

[fleet anchor]

lol

[balmy condor]

aight boys, guardians gonna get clapped again?

I got double sweep on my bingo card

[fleet anchor]

Shakib was a better at Havoc than me before I swapped to Rogue in ToS though... but he also cheated and got the legendary ring as like his first legendary, while I didn't even get it until Antorus 🤣

Then he stuck with the wheelchair Havoc in ToS while I carried on Rogue, so it's all good!

[shut garnet]

you're tellin me not all havocs do the same thing?

[umbral rapids]

they do

he just got the ring

[shut garnet]

[fleet anchor]

Ring OP

My Rogue on the other hand got lucky as hell with Legendaries

Think shoulders were my 2nd one lol

[shut garnet]

still no rogue legendaries released on alpha im guessing?

[balmy condor]

my first 2 were boots/shoulders

[fleet anchor]

Nope, no updates for Rogue leggos yet

Still hoping it's something cool

[balmy condor]

updates for rogues?

in shadowlands?

GOOD ONE

[fleet anchor]

I had Shoulders+Fist in my first 4 legendaries so I was set for Sub really fast in ToS

Made up for my horrific luck on DH and Druid

[main blaze]

Rogue legendary: Your damage of X is increased

-_-

[sullen pagoda]

i had 6 legendaries when there was "4 legendaries soft cap" in legion 7.0-7.1

[fleet anchor]

DH was Cinidaria+Prydaz+Sephuz first three.. my Druid was Ekowraith+Sephuz first two

fml

[balmy condor]

rogue legendaries are just gonna be legion rehashes tbh

[fleet anchor]

Well they can't really bring back shoulders

Since they talenified it 😦

[balmy condor]

there's no way they're gonna spend dev time on rogues

they don't care enough for that

[fleet anchor]

I'm kinda expecting a Insignia rehash

[umbral rapids]

what was it @fleet anchor

[fleet anchor]

Master Assassin talent

[shut garnet]

mantle gave you 100% crit in stealth and for 5s outside of it

[fleet anchor]

But 100% Crit instead

[umbral rapids]

i didn't play legion

[shut garnet]

or was it 3

[umbral rapids]

oh ok

[fleet anchor]

So like.. way more fun

[balmy condor]

yeah shoulders were 100% for 5 rather than master assassin 50% for 3