assassination

[pale tiger]

[balmy condor]

huh

[twilit stratus]

i mean. do i tricks the tank with the empowered garrotes. or do i do it after when i get into fan of knives spam

[balmy condor]

tricks before

[twilit stratus]

thx

[pale tiger]

depends on the situation

you get more threat redirected from tricks with your blood+fan spam

[balmy condor]

yeah but you shouldn't need it at that point

imo

[twilit stratus]

good. thank you

[pale tiger]

yeah probably not

my mage is constantly ripping this week though so i've been trying to do that

although it really makes like no difference lol

hes gonna rip either way

[balmy condor]

yeah

skittish lul

this week's hotfix, combust functions like surrender to madness

you die at the end

dw though, I've heard rumors that they're gonna hotfix it back out next reset

[pale tiger]

[tropic ocean]

always tricks before

why would u tricks after

tank will have built enough aggro by then

[pale tiger]

because your first few globals do literally no damage as assa

???

[balmy condor]

[pale tiger]

the only reason to tricks before pull is if you're going to garrote a mob that the tank literally hasn't touched yet so you don't get clapped

[limpid quest]

Good-morning!

[pale tiger]

you aren't redirecting any meaningful amount of threat

[tropic ocean]

its something

wrong char but meh 😄

[balmy condor]

Morning!

[limpid quest]

have a question for help... trying to find out what best raids single dps would be for corruption on gear is it best just to max out with infinite stars? I have a cloak of 15 with 108 res

[tropic ocean]

expedient all the way

[balmy condor]

Yeah

There’s a guide in the pins

The exped/exsang build is the optimal raid build

Gonna want to familiarize yourself with that

[limpid quest]

may I ask whispyr what in the pins? mead for read

mean

[balmy condor]

What?

[limpid quest]

guide in pins

[balmy condor]

The top pin

Is a guide

Written by raz

[limpid quest]

new here

[silent crescent]

Imagine taking 5 seconds to even check lol

[balmy condor]

Hit the pin button

At the top

[quartz depot]

Click pin button top right

[limpid quest]

that you found it many thanks!

thank you

[balmy condor]

No problem

[strange python]

What are the ideal trinkets for exsanguinate, is my 475 galecaller any good?

[quasi pewter]

it is

[pale tiger]

vita/plumage/gcb are what most people use

vita is mandatory

[balmy condor]

Galecaller is omegapog

[strange python]

Alright, ty. I never get 475 vita from Ra-Den, so unlucky

[quasi pewter]

i wouldnt call vita mandatory

[balmy condor]

Keep rolling

[quasi pewter]

its good but you can use something like dice too

[balmy condor]

Vita is definitely BiS

But it’s not mandatory yeah

[pale tiger]

the top ten parses for every boss in mythic nya are all using vita

thats basically mandatory

[quasi pewter]

no

[balmy condor]

That’s not how that works

[quasi pewter]

mandatory means its better than the 2nd best option by a very big margin

and its not

so its bis

but not mandatory

[balmy condor]

^

[quasi pewter]

because dice is like 200 dps behind

[pale tiger]

alright i mean we can argue semantics if you want

[quasi pewter]

what do you mean

[pale tiger]

but i think "basically mandatory" got the point across fairly accurately

[quasi pewter]

its by no means mandatory

[pale tiger]

its very very strong compared to the other options

[quasi pewter]

its a little bit better than the 2nd best option

[balmy condor]

Dice sims very high

I’ve had to explain to people why their dice are out simming their vitas

Multiple times

Vita is stronger when you take the party buff into play

But honestly, it gets beat sometimes in personal sims

It should be taken, no one argues that

But saying it’s mandatory would mean that you can’t raid or will be severely gimped by not running it

And that’s not true

[keen tree]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[pale tiger]

alright i guess i should have chosen my words a little more carefully so as to not get you guys all riled up

all i meant was that if you can use vita, you use it

[quasi pewter]

no one is riled up

its just not mandatory

[balmy condor]

Ye

I always try my best to not get riled up

Doesn’t help

Just trying to be accurate

But I’m glad we all agree

[arctic walrus]

iris btw

[balmy condor]

Vel gtfo no one asked you

[arctic walrus]

[rancid bobcat]

[green basalt]

is the focus void thingy account wide?

[balmy condor]

I don’t think so?

[patent topaz]

its not

[green basalt]

someone is trolling me then

would be sweet tho

[tropic ocean]

vita is mandatory

:)))))))))))))

[rancid bobcat]

Should be pretty easy to test if you have one with it and one without

[balmy condor]

That sounds difficult

Having to test things

[rancid bobcat]

[balmy condor]

[green basalt]

thats true stuck in antorus atm tho

[loud brook]

How often do I have to target switch on a fight to make cns better than iris minor with the expedient build

[balmy condor]

I don't think that's tested

and it'll vary heavily on character

[loud brook]

Fair

[rancid pier]

do you use blood of the enemy on cd with exanguinate build or would you hold it for cds

[balmy condor]

typically you hold

[fleet anchor]

Iris stacks up really fast nowadays since it triggers off all kinds of things for Assassination

[balmy condor]

yeah

[fleet anchor]

Also one of the only specs where it essentially triggers from AAs because of poisons

Since white damage itself doesn't trigger

[waxen hull]

hey, quick question im a new player

[balmy condor]

sure

[waxen hull]

why i cant attack targets while im in vanish

?

[balmy condor]

vanish drops combat

so its stops auto-attacking

[waxen hull]

yea but i saw in a few rotation guides they go into vanish and then press a skill

[balmy condor]

yes

[waxen hull]

but i literally cant press a skill while im in vanish

wtf

[balmy condor]

you might have a stealth bar

that doesn't have the skills on it

[dire spoke]

enter normal stealth and pay attention to your bars

[balmy condor]

yeah

[dire spoke]

you need to put spells into this stance-bar

[balmy condor]

your action bar changes to a stealth-version

so the skills need to be put on that bar

[novel drum]

i forgot all about that. i feel like this day and age the stealth bar is a bit antiquated

[balmy condor]

stealth bars are still very useful

[novel drum]

maybe thats just for me though, my bars barely change

[balmy condor]

yeah

[waxen hull]

ok i did it but it still dont work and idek why

[balmy condor]

its still nice to have blind for example on a key

[waxen hull]

still "invalid target"

[balmy condor]

what skill are you trying to use

[waxen hull]

garrote

[novel drum]

oh

[balmy condor]

hm

[novel drum]

youre vanishing

so youre going out of combat if youre alone

[balmy condor]

that shouldn't be a problem

[novel drum]

the mob resetting wouldn show iunvalid no?

[balmy condor]

is the monster you're attacking running away from you?

[novel drum]

and evade

[balmy condor]

and saying 'evade'

[waxen hull]

its a dummy

[novel drum]

hmm

[dire spoke]

[novel drum]

you can attack while out of stealth right?

[balmy condor]

invalid target on a dummy

is it a healing dummy?

I'm starting to run out of ideas

is it just garrote

or do the other abilities also not work

[waxen hull]

literally every skill

[balmy condor]

whats the name of the dummy

[dire spoke]

what happens in normal stealth into garrote?

[balmy condor]

if the dummy is friendly, it's a healing dummy

you can't attack those

try hitting something else

[novel drum]

kek

fuckin

double

YOU

yeah thats a friendly healing dummy

[dire spoke]

the target name has to be red, green is friendly

[balmy condor]

ay

we got it boys

[waxen hull]

LMAO

[novel drum]

the way you asked the question at first made it sound like you could use other abilities....

[winged basin]

lol nice one

[dire spoke]

I'm getting autoattakk flashbacks

[novel drum]

wait how are you a new player and you have your own personal fucked up ui xD

[dire spoke]

a friend told me to use it

[loud brook]

Not gonna lie, that meat on your bars is making me hungry

Wish I had some steak

[balmy condor]

yeah the bars are a disaster lmao

[novel drum]

looks like two games of tetris going haywire

[uncut nova]

Whats Your ui :)

[dire spoke]

take it easy, new players can't really comprehend how it should be sorted or optimized xd

[balmy condor]

my ui big suck too

[novel drum]

if only blizzard provided a basic ui

[tropic ocean]

stop flame

[balmy condor]

ausrr roast me

[tropic ocean]

no

[balmy condor]

nani

ausrr no flame

[novel drum]

flame makes us stronger

bulli good

[tropic ocean]

dont flame my boy ezuri

hes waiting for

[novel drum]

oh fuck my sides

[winged basin]

[tropic ocean]

idk I had similar ui

but then just removed more and more stuff

[uncut nova]

I have blizz ui xD

[loud brook]

is that

the spark of inspiration buff

at the bottom right

[balmy condor]

wot?

[loud brook]

the azerite geode next to the gems

also mine

[balmy condor]

blood?

I'm not sure

[dire spoke]

[balmy condor]

under blood?

[novel drum]

no thats showing his azerite pieces have all the traits

[balmy condor]

that's the heart

[loud brook]

ah

[balmy condor]

91 gang

[worldly fable]

Is expedient stacking still the play if I want to play with DD? Or is the answer a simple ? (for pure ST specifically)

[loud brook]

forgot I took interrupt off my bar

[balmy condor]

yes

it is

exped

pog

but you should still sim yourself

:)

[little root]

whispyr whats the p and m in the middle of your ui?

[dire spoke]

my ui is optimized for clicking fight me

[worldly fable]

Excellent, tyvm

[balmy condor]

The P and M

oh

that's effective HP

for phys and magic

[worldly fable]

I'll just do a sim to be on the safe side too

[balmy condor]

it was helpful during legion keys and I never got rid of it

[little root]

ahhh okay, ive seen a few with that just wasnt sure what it stood for

[balmy condor]

I like it

but I could delete it

and it wouldn't change much

[shy dust]

Tracking vita

[balmy condor]

actually not

its worse than that

I track both trinkets

[harsh sphinx]

tracking buffs

[balmy condor]

regardless of use or not

[harsh sphinx]

[loud brook]

my ui gets more cluttered in combat because of the cloak tracking and various other effects like plumage

[balmy condor]

[shy dust]

Why track buffs

[balmy condor]

not tracking buffs

they just sit there

they track cds

[little root]

to know when youre extra stronk 🙂

[balmy condor]

but they don't have cds

so they just take up space

cause I'm super fucking lazy

and cba to change it

[strange python]

you guys dont track all the procs?

[balmy condor]

I only track party vita buffs

[uncut nova]

That moment when u see that u have 600% haste in vision:*(

[quaint vortex]

are we posting UIs in the chat

[balmy condor]

actually hella cleaner than mine tbh

but why track on target frame

[quaint vortex]

i could just blacklist them on the target frame as well but i need debuffs visible for pvp

[balmy condor]

oh i see'

[lone junco]

I have a really cringe UI.

Sucks to sit kinda far from a small monitor.

[quaint vortex]

i'm on that 32 inch monitor life

[loud brook]

24 inch monitor here

[balmy condor]

I think I’m on a 27

1440p 144hz tho

Bought it a couple years ago

So I ain’t mad

[novel cedar]

is there a BiS list for rogue for raid/mythic/pvp?

[balmy condor]

Mythic cara daggers

[quaint vortex]

1440p 144hz as well b

[balmy condor]

Nothing else

[quaint vortex]

I think going above 27 is too big though tbh

[balmy condor]

BiS lists still don’t exist

Cause there’s a bunch of sidegrade variations

So it’s kinda w/e

[novel cedar]

Is there somewhere I can post my gear setup for feedback on what I should be looking to improve?

[balmy condor]

You can dm me a top gear or post it here

[quaint vortex]

you could do a quick sim or something and we could take a look

top gear would probs be better though ^

[royal lantern]

carapace daggers mythic cus of ilvl, everything else is more or less"have haste" tbh

[novel cedar]

I'll have to setup top gear first and send it

[balmy condor]

just import the top gear with your current equipped

and change 1 thing

and then send that over

super ez

[novel cedar]

gotcha, thanks I'll get it loaded

[rain obsidian]

can someone recommend an addon like for nameplates that are good for assa rogues in m+

[balmy condor]

kui

plater

those are the 2 big ones

[gilded laurel]

hey, which corruptions are better in pure single target? for raid :c

[balmy condor]

expeds

just stack that haste

[gilded laurel]

only exped?

[balmy condor]

yes

once you have enough resistance you can toss on a honed mind 3

[gilded laurel]

thank you bro<3

[balmy condor]

np

[loud brook]

at what point does a honed mind 3 matter?

[balmy condor]

at the very end

[fleet anchor]

nameplatekai is also good

[loud brook]

ah

[stiff flint]

anybody know a minimum/ideal amount of haste to start using the Exsanguinate build

[solar flicker]

34%

[balmy condor]

30% ish

but you should sim

it varies based on azerite

[strange lichen]

Do you all sim for patch work 5 min or do is better to do hectic cleave or something else?

[balmy condor]

patchwerk 5 min for a baseline ST sim

[strange lichen]

Or is it better*

Yeah but there aren’t any bosses that are reall single target no? Besides shad?

[balmy condor]

you still do ST

[stiff flint]

Assassination is single target regardless

Well that's where it's strong anyway

[balmy condor]

we either do aoe or single target, not really anything in between

we can do strong aoe

its just a matter of gearing into it

so even in fights like say carapace

we're pumping single target

and single target will be the important part of your life

[strange lichen]

I guess what I’m getting is, I’m wanting to run CT but simming shows PB still higher..I’m at like 51% haste w/ 3 SS traits

[balmy condor]

51% probably a little low

if you run a TTK trait, you'll never run CT

irontide helmet btw

[strange lichen]

I thought it had something to do with my haste and traits...generally when is haste high enough..around 60%?

[balmy condor]

60% ish

yeah

3x SS doesn't matter though

CT and traits are independent of another except for TTK

[stiff flint]

what is TTK

[strange lichen]

Thought so, I should be there Wednesday

[balmy condor]

twist the knife

[strange lichen]

Twist the knife

[balmy condor]

the envenom one

[stiff flint]

okay try

ty

i can only get 2x SS traits atm but what other traits are good for the exang build

to either replace the 3rd SS or to go alongside with it

[balmy condor]

NP actually aint bad

1x DD isn't bad either

like the maut helm

NP/HoD

[vast forum]

eh

[balmy condor]

that's a pretty good filler piece

not ideal

[stiff flint]

yeah i have that helm

[balmy condor]

but it'll do

[vast forum]

NP is pretty bad for exsang tbh

ttk is pretty bad overall

[balmy condor]

?

[balmy condor]

NP is fine honestly

[balmy condor]

SS/DD

[stiff flint]

then i have either these 2

[vast forum]

NP does nothing for exsang tho

[balmy condor]

SS/TTK

[stiff flint]

not sure what are better

[balmy condor]

you can sim that

[vast forum]

it doesn't get amped because you don't have TB

and the energy it gives is wasted cuz exsang already causes you to overcap energy

[balmy condor]

it's hasted

[vast forum]

the only reason to run SS/NP build is if you just want that juicy burst every 2 min

[balmy condor]

if you sim a 465 raden vs a 480 mythic maut is actually pretty close

[stiff flint]

i don't have the best azerite yet though

[balmy condor]

and there's not a lot of helmet replacements

like you could run irontide

[vast forum]

typically, TB build will be stronger until you have the best pieces anyway

[balmy condor]

that's what people usually get shoehorned into

[stiff flint]

problem with that is i don't have ashvane trinket

to pump the best dps i can

[balmy condor]

ashvane trinket will be replaced

[balmy condor]

so dw bout it

[stiff flint]

this is my current build because i don't have best pieces for either

[balmy condor]

yeah your trinkets are poppin

[stiff flint]

i'm like in the middle

yeah i know the trinkets are nice

i don't have the BiS rings for exang ye

[balmy condor]

oh but what the hell

[stiff flint]

yet*

[balmy condor]

is that

hello

sir

[stiff flint]

pvp

lmao

[balmy condor]

okay

you're safe for now

[stiff flint]

hahaha

[balmy condor]

I was about to flame that ass so hard

[stiff flint]

LMAO

this is my usual

[balmy condor]

yeah that seems fine

[stiff flint]

i'm just stuck in the middle of both builds

[balmy condor]

you probably don't have enough haste for exsang

[stiff flint]

because i never got the ashvane trinket

[balmy condor]

yeah its yucky

no

that's not it

ashvane won't beat your current trinkets

[patent topaz]

coral isnt that great for exsang

[balmy condor]

you're missing haste

[stiff flint]

no i meant for TB

i know these trinkets are BiS for exang

[balmy condor]

you'll want to transition out of TB

fk that noise

[stiff flint]

yeah i am

waiting for that juicy haste next week too

can buy 6 of them

idk if that's enough

[balmy condor]

yeah that'll be fine

you can sim that

[quaint vortex]

stars on your pvp ring though? @_@

[stiff flint]

nono

i didn't change essences for the screenshot

i have gushing only for PvP don't worry

[quaint vortex]

phew

i think you'll be in a good place with your gear once you pick up expedients

[stiff flint]

and a small vers amp and rank 2 TE

[patent topaz]

I use 1x gushing in my main setup

[stiff flint]

because i don't wanna buy the rest of my gushing yet until i get BiS gear from Mythic Raiding

cba to push PvP right now unless i have close to BiS

i dropped for echoes but haven't farmed back up yet lel

but yeah when you're in the middle of transitioning between builds it feels so shit

[quaint vortex]

yeah I'm in a similar boat as you so I can relate (along with needing to use some of my pve gear for pvp)

but based on what you have equipped for pve you should be in a pretty nice place once you put expedients on your pve set

[stiff flint]

yeah i'm just worried about azrite traits

[quaint vortex]

do you have a h nzoth chest you could use in place of the pvp one to get an extra SS?

[tropic ocean]

howdo u get the corruption pictures

on the items?

[stiff flint]

an addon called Corruption Tooltips

[floral ruin]

just got a logic loop of recursion, good enough or keep farming junkyard for divison?

[balmy condor]

division is slightly better

I personally don't think its worth

but if you do a lot of m+

probably easy to just get another

[floral ruin]

i do some, was targeting junkyard for it, took 20ish runs to get this one

[balmy condor]

unlucky

[quiet radish]

Does logic loop of division work better for raiding or logic loop of recursion? Just because getting behind the target is hard

I.e wrathion

[balmy condor]

division

we proc it without being behind

from dots

[quiet radish]

Thank you for the feedback

[thin sleet]

Behind vs 3spells should have very similar uptimes

3spells very minimally lower

[balmy condor]

3 spells is strictly lower

like 10-15% lower

[thin sleet]

Since the "spell" is very generous as is the window for it

And they have a longass icd

[strange python]

the from behind one has virtually no downtime

while the 3 spells thing only counts from when the buff dropped i think

[balmy condor]

yeah

that's what I remember as well

recursion is usable, but strictly worse cause you get downtime

[thin sleet]

Dont @ me but im p sure it counts during the icd as well

[balmy condor]

if that were the case, it would have the same uptime

[urban hare]

Quick question. If you cast tricks of the trade and then use azerite beam, does all of the Agro damage transfer?

[balmy condor]

yes

[urban hare]

Ok cool. Thanks

[balmy condor]

but also don't use beam

[stiff flint]

xd

[unique depot]

So currently my biggest issue with rogue is if I want good cleave aoe I have to go outlaw for best st I have to go assassin. I can’t get into m+ above a 12 at 475 Ilvl mostly because my blood dk is 2500 and everyone pst wanna tank. Anything in shadowlands showing to help this issue maybe help assassination cleave?

[balmy condor]

not yet

but assassination cleave/aoe is fine

just requires a second set

[unique depot]

Exactly and when they remove azerite/ss it’s gg

[balmy condor]

it would need to get balanced, yes

[loud light]

do you think they are not adding any new effects in shadowlands?

[balmy condor]

[loud light]

anyway if you're having problems getting keys around the +12 level it's not a spec problem

[balmy condor]

[unique depot]

Oh it’s most def an io problem

[balmy condor]

outlaw vs sin doesn't matter until like +23

[unique depot]

But even if it says your main is 2460 they don’t invite

[balmy condor]

and you can do fine with sin even higher than that

so then your problem is io

and thats 1. not this channel

and 2. talked about till the end of time

[runic kiln]

realistically, how much haste do you need to make CT work?

[balmy condor]

60% ish

[stiff flint]

how much haste is needed before adding any amps in

0 corruption

[balmy condor]

uhhhhh

with current values I think like 32%?

but that's mega sketchy

don't quote me on that

I'm regurgitating a sim from memory

I think CT barely won over PB

with 33.2?

I'm gonna conservatively say somewhere between 32 and 35

[stiff flint]

people say 34% crit is ideal but what about mastery?

[balmy condor]

oh lohd

I hate to break it to you

[arctic walrus]

@gusty kestrel any thoughts

[balmy condor]

34% crit is a meme

its not actually a thing

[stiff flint]

yikes

everyone talks about it like it's holy

[balmy condor]

that's the meme

[stiff flint]

but doesn't explain why

so i'm not surprised

[balmy condor]

its cause a youtuber

who is well known

[stiff flint]

Infexious ?

[balmy condor]

and strongly accented

[stiff flint]

lel

[balmy condor]

no names here

[stiff flint]

Kappa

[balmy condor]

claimed that 34% is the holy word of god

and thus

34% crit

[stiff flint]

streamer is so fried

[balmy condor]

(not actually what he said, but the meme is still dank as hell)

[stiff flint]

so what's the crit/mastery needing to look like roughly

to pop off

[balmy condor]

uh

anywhere from like

30-40 crit

like

this isn't 'rough'

it just doesn't exist

[stiff flint]

so basically just 30% minimum any extra is a bonus

[balmy condor]

you do what's best with your gear, and you keep simming

no

okay

let me try again

[stiff flint]

simming takes so long zzzzzzzz

[balmy condor]

there is

no breakpoints

on any stat

on any build

there is no minimum, no maximum

you do what's an improvement

and you sim it

[strange python]

wow much smart

[balmy condor]

its what it is

no one here knows better than the actual tool that's designed to know better than the people here

[stiff flint]

guess i gotta pay my way through simming

[balmy condor]

how many upgrades are you getting

I can only dream of a world where I get that many upgrades to where I'm forced to pay for a sim

the time it takes eating up so much of my important life

the upgrades piling up in front of me

but I can't sim it

[stiff flint]

not enough

[balmy condor]

I run another dungeon

I get 3 upgrades

there is no god

my sims pile up

[stiff flint]

hard life right?

it's crazy

[balmy condor]

you could just

open another tab

[stiff flint]

you think my important life has enough time to do that?

tf is wrong with you

i'm so busy dude

sitting here playing this game

[balmy condor]

[stiff flint]

you have NO idea...

[balmy condor]

apparently not

[drifting cloud]

hello anyone mentioned 34% crit

[balmy condor]

34% mastery tho

[drifting cloud]

[pale tiger]

guiz i heard the bleed build is bis for mystic+ but how much crit do we need???

[balmy condor]

for m+? exactly 2.7

[pale tiger]

tyty

[stiff flint]

[balmy condor]

how much crit do we need to make blindside viable

[sick oyster]

34% obv

[shut garnet]

just get all stats to 34%

and you break space-time

and just turn into a firemage

[pale tiger]

[arctic walrus]

34% crit andy

[balmy condor]

@arctic walrus that's 34% crat

he's not talking about crit

secret hidden stat

[dark crag]

Who is infexious?

[balmy condor]

youtuber who said 34% crit

and now we all meme on him for telling us garbage

well

we meme'd on him before that

[dark crag]

I know something better than 34

[balmy condor]

but he keeps delivering spicy new memes

[dark crag]

35

[balmy condor]

so it keeps coming

[sick oyster]

oh actually didnt know that there is a meme about him

just picked it up somewhere here

[balmy condor]

you've never heard 34% before

[sick oyster]

lmao

[balmy condor]

?

[sick oyster]

not from him

[balmy condor]

wait

that's the entire reason 34% exists

lmao

no no no tisu

not 98% log

rank 8 maut

[quiet radish]

I think this will probably go down with just simming but going by the exsanguinate build pin and BIS helm is gibbermaw is it wise to replace a 480 helm for just the heroic version of gibber the 480 helm doesn’t have SS

[balmy condor]

actually huge

[sick oyster]

@quiet radish 3x SS is mandatory

[balmy condor]

who failed the vita

not actually mandatory btw

don't make me rehash this whole mandatory vs not mandatory shit

we had this earlier

but ye, tldr sim it

maut helm is pretty close to heroic gibber

[quiet radish]

I got the 480 loa helm

[balmy condor]

what traits that got

[quiet radish]

I’m not on wow currently so I can’t post it but it’s this one https://www.wowhead.com/item=159318/hood-of-the-slithering-loa&bonus=4817:1512

[balmy condor]

oh that one

[balmy condor]

I mean

swirling sands is aight

dunno

might sim better tbh

[uncut schooner]

blightborne infusion

[quiet radish]

I figured it might but I know the build wanted 3 SS

[balmy condor]

it does, but DD/swirl isn't inherently bad

and you're still using a lot of muts single target

so I think overall for ST, it'll probably be pretty good

[hidden bay]

U get over 34% Crit with blightborne... literally unplayable m8

[arctic walrus]

@gusty kestrel 98% log and a wipe! damn bro!

[drifting cloud]

loa is probably the 2nd best helm

for st

[balmy condor]

yeah

loa sims pretty gud

[quiet radish]

I feel like the guide should be updated then the helm isn’t on that post

[balmy condor]

why tho

its not the best

[quiet radish]

Gibber really only pulls ahead because of heart of darkness in reality

[balmy condor]

gibber pulls ahead cause its a 480 piece with SS/HoD

if you're comparing 465 gibber to 480 loa

its gonna be close, or tip in loa's favor

but 480 gibber dunks on any other 480 helm

[uncut schooner]

How good actually is blightborne though.

[balmy condor]

blightborne is good

goraks is arguable BiS

[quiet radish]

It’s on the BIS shoulders because of SS and blightborne

[uncut schooner]

Good, tis what I got on my 475 vendor roll.

[balmy condor]

yeah

clockwork beats it out sometimes

epaulettes specifically

[quiet radish]

That’s currently why I got the bomber jacket for chest 🙂

[balmy condor]

but I think that's maybe fight length or something? I don't remember the exact reasoning

[quiet radish]

I think the one thing I really disagree with on the guide is the plum as a BIS trinket

[balmy condor]

I think that's fine

[hidden bay]

epaulettes sims 5 dps More than goraks update guide hello it’s BiS

[fathom swift]

Think it was written before gcb apl was updated

[balmy condor]

I think so too

plumage is still up there though

[vital haven]

clockwork heart sims better the shorter the fights is, at 3 mins epaulettes and gorak are pretty comparable, at 2 mins clockwork shoulder and chest are way better

that's because clockwork heart procs every 1 min on the dot

so the first proc is with your cds

[balmy condor]

aha

makes sense, thanks

[vital haven]

as for plummage ye obv gcb will sim better

but fuck using gcb imo

[main forge]

yeah I don't enjoy using GCB. I just wish the rune was bigger. locks you in a spot for 10 seconds

[steep plover]

As long as ur in when u exsang i think thats the main thing

[balmy condor]

yeah that's the main thing

idk, I enjoy it

[sick oyster]

i played last couple of raids with it and you can actually stand in it full duration on quite some fights

[balmy condor]

also true statement

[manic harness]

When will Exp3 be back up?

[strange python]

https://corruptionvendor.com/

[manic harness]

Oh, sick

Didn't know someone made a website

[balmy condor]

there's also a wowhead page that has all the corruptions, their cost, and the date they'll be back

Different UI if you prefer that

[main blaze]

What is the max corruption resistance we will have?

[drifting cloud]

125

on cloak, 10 essence

[main blaze]

ty

[oblique jackal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[main blaze]

Yeah on cloak is what I wanted to know

Thanks

[tough skiff]

By the time we reach max cloak resistance blizz will remove the corruption.

[drifting cloud]

nope

because the prepatch wont be here early sep

[balmy condor]

probably be here in november tbh

but then what, prepatch november, expac mid december?

that kinda dunks on christmas time

they don't like doing that

idk, timeline spooky brain hurt

[drifting cloud]

your guess is as good as mine

but you cant really just reserve xmas +- 3 weeks for no content its just too much of a window

so maybe xpac early nov, raid late nov/1st week of dec

or xpac whenever and raid delayed after new year

[balmy condor]

prepatch october then

that kinda

makes sense

[drifting cloud]

whichever one it will be people will complain

[balmy condor]

people always complain

[drifting cloud]

because Idc how much content there is before raiding

[balmy condor]

every expac release

[drifting cloud]

if its more than 3 weeks after release for raid its going to suck

but its safe to assume the raid isnt releasing 20th of December I guess, then we can just guess how much of a buffer before/after they want to do

worst case I can just play cyberpunk for a month so im good either way

(until it gets delayed again)

[main blaze]

WoD released Nov 13 and Highmaul was Dec 2nd. So I think that timeline is still possible.

It'd be like Nov 10th or Nov 17th

[low girder]

they deliberately moved ny'alotha from december to january for that reason though. they'll probably keep going with that idea.

[mental trout]

Just got the keystone master and a 2k io score! I know its not great but yall helped me alot ❤️ three months back to the game after a 5 year break

[balmy condor]

gratz!

[mental trout]

=p

[cobalt pelican]

epic gamer moment

[steep plover]

Da boiz finally simmed after a while

[balmy condor]

is it hype

[steep plover]

Telling me to use ds and shit now and ct is only 200dps behind

Ye nearly 98kdps

[balmy condor]

pog pog

[steep plover]

Worth to use ct now?

[balmy condor]

probably yeah

[steep plover]

And also, for ds, do i just up what is normally do by 1 cp as in what 4 cp was before is now 5 and the same 5 to 6

[balmy condor]

yeah

[steep plover]

Aight sweet so nothibg much changes with ds, just finisher at 5 or 6 instead of 4 or 5

Yayy im keen af

I jist need better shoulders, sim says to use 480 dd and ss shoulders

[balmy condor]

ye that's fine tbh

DD sounds kinda meh

but then you realize how much you're hitting mut

and its kinda okay

[steep plover]

Ye true

The other option is 465 illgy shoulders so makes sense lmao

Once i hit 100k dps ill send u a formal thanks ye

[balmy condor]

lmao

[steep plover]

Uve helped out heaps cuz

[balmy condor]

I just do what I can

[balmy condor]

tbh though, most of it is this discord helping me learn, correcting my mistakes, and that allows me to help others

like it ain't even me

[steep plover]

Ye true but ur pretty nice and always helpful so it makes someone like me learning feel better when asking questions

[glass saddle]

if u have 4 combo points do you envenom or do you go for 5 still?

[balmy condor]

enven

if you're playing DS you go for 5

maximum cp - 1

[glass saddle]

so if u're playing with vigor its not worth it to get 5combo points to envenom if u're at 4?

[balmy condor]

with vigor you finish at 4

[rancid bobcat]

No its not worth it because you're wasting guaranteed combo points

You usually do not want to waste guaranteed combo points. (yes there are exceptions)

[uncut walrus]

I know how cheap a gushing wound build is, and since i play sin in PvP, is it good on Sin?

[balmy condor]

#pvp but yeah, generally GW is good in Pvp

[uncut walrus]

i was asking for PvE ^^

[balmy condor]

oh

well its okay

there's better depending on situation

but if you don't care too much, it'll be fine

[uncut walrus]

Because im currently on a Severe Strikethrough build since i play outlaw 90% of the time

[balmy condor]

that'll probably do better tbh

[uncut walrus]

Rly ? ok

[balmy condor]

GW in raids is like 14-15% weaker than exped

I think the whole crit build is a little better

but you could just roll with outlaw at that point

[uncut walrus]

Yeah thats why im asking

Im a bit lost tbh i love sin but having 2 spec with 2 corruptions build is so hard in BfA

[balmy condor]

eh

its actually not that bad imo

I only play sin

and having an exped set for raids and a m+ set with severe/strikes

wasn't that bad once vendor came along

[uncut walrus]

I started bfa like 2 months and a half ago

[balmy condor]

yeah then you're fucked

[uncut walrus]

And i had to grind Essences / cloak before getting any corruption

now my outlaw is 100% optimized as i wanted

But 🤢

[balmy condor]

yeah, sin m+ uses similar stuff to outlaw

but raids we stack hella exped

so

kinda unlucky

[uncut walrus]

i'd only play sin for Raid tbh

[balmy condor]

I see a pretty meaty sim in your future

my guess would be the severe/strikes with a crit build

GW just doesn't do enough corruption anymore tbh

15 a slot is too low

[uncut walrus]

You're hella right

[balmy condor]

tb/pb for that one

[uncut walrus]

?

Wym?

[balmy condor]

subt most likely over ma depending on crit

for the crit build

ds/exsang isn't going to work without expeds

so you gotta jank it up a little

[uncut walrus]

What talent would you suggest then?

[balmy condor]

tb/pb

subt most likely over ma depending on crit

:)

[uncut walrus]

Ok thats already what i have

[glacial jasper]

Torn between maldraxxis and night fae....... can’t make my mind up

I assume the maldraxxis dot will scale with our mastery, but sepsis will make a 3 vanish opener

The choices!

[fading coyote]

Hey guys I've been a long time lurker, have like 3 tiers break from wow, now im back to m raiding trying to optimize my gear have like 2-3 questions

rotational question: what do I do after vanish ? I know i should always refresh garrote having subterfuge, does my bleeds snapshot from it and shud I rupture or always envemon ?

[errant delta]

so should i be swaping out all my gear to be haste mastery even if top gears not realy showing it or should in be hitting a crit cap or something for bleed build by the way?

[fading coyote]

im buying 7x expedient 3 in a few days, but I have only 1 shrouded suffocation, will the exsanguinate build will still be viable ? I have a lot of haste gear and its quite optimized (475) except azerite gear which are shit

i know I should sim it and i will, but want to prepare myself mentally what build should I probably go 🙂

[errant delta]

yer i only have 1 ss and it dose fine

[shut garnet]

what you do with vanish depends on what build you’re running

are you likely to be killing raden and carapace mythic anytime soon maverick?

[fading coyote]

my guild is 4/10 atm and I raid mythic since like 2 weeks

still rusty af

i will be running the exsanguinate build after july 14th

will have like 140 corruptions in expedient 3

[strange python]

do you guys know a way to always show garrote and rupture as first and second debuff on the target? using mostly the default wow interface

[steep plover]

Not sure how the debuff positionings work but u should use a wa to track ur bleeds and shit helps alot

[dusky kiln]

is it just me or does ass spec seem underpowered in dungeons early on liked pre 110? is that just due to not having stats and full skills or?

[dark crag]

Yes

Don't worry about dmg in dungeons before max lvl

Deactivate dmg meter, who looks at dmg in lowlvl content has different kinds of problems

[dusky kiln]

yeah i was thinking had to be something like that casue im getting all the dots up asap and its like wuuuuuut lack of damage but open world seems fine

so good to know thats the case ty 🙂

[noble pilot]

@glacial jasper Pointless to even consider which covenant will be best because the numbers are not tuned and expansion is way too far in the horizon to even bother.

[indigo mulch]

Should you gale before exsang? Does it actually matter i mean

[feral agate]

heya guys, i'm switching to rouge assa, what corruption should i go for for raiding (progress Mythic) before getting the ++ gear for exsanguinate build ?

[glacial jasper]

@noble pilot talking about general playstyle and mechanics not numbers

Say even if the blue bois ability turned out best I wouldn’t use it becuase I hate how it works

[quasi pewter]

@indigo mulch yes you should absolutely use gcb before exsang, exsang snapshots ur haste

[steep plover]

heya guys, i'm switching to rouge assa, what corruption should i go for for raiding (progress Mythic) before getting the ++ gear for exsanguinate build ?
@feral agate expedient, haste will be ur strongest stat check the pins for guides

[feral agate]

@steep plover thnx dude even with the regular toxic build ? full expedient everywhere ?

[steep plover]

Ye

U want to get good haste gear first

Dont just chuck it on gear hr gna replace soon

[feral agate]

yeah of course ^^ just wondering which corruption to aim for ! i'll stack it in my bank ^^

[dusky kiln]

do we run shiv for pvp talents?

[feral agate]

thnx 🙂 i guess need to farm a lot cause expedient 3 is soon lol

[steep plover]

Ye man like a week or so

[strange python]

so im looking at the BiS for assrogues for raids and i want to know, is the BiS for raids the same as PVP or is there a difference? I think there's a difference but idk im still new. secondly, most of these BiS items come from the ny'alotha raid... how would someone raid competently? i have never raided... some other stuff of note, im 120 but im only item level 380.

[manic harness]

For raiding, get 440 ilvl and try and join pugs

Maybe watch videos of the fights for normal or heroic difficulty

Don't die do damage

[molten ice]

how is it possible to have same haste with those 2 gloves

[red plaza]

Heart of darkness corruption

Non corrupted probably puts you at under 25

[molten ice]

yepp that was it!

[shut garnet]

why do so many ppl run plumage over gcb

[mystic osprey]

That’s what guide says?

[shut garnet]

duh

but im pretty sure high level rogues can think for themselves

like, isnt it fairly easy to stand still for 10s every minute on most fights

[strange python]

bc gcb is shit if u cannot stand in it

or mby they havent high rolled it in weekly box

[shut garnet]

yeah, but what fights cant u physically stand still for 10s every minute on

it might have some awkward overlaps on nzoth with anguish tbh

[strange python]

ye idk

mby they didnt high roll it

[shut garnet]

even then tbh im p sure 465 socket gcb outsims 475 socket plumage/pvpvers

[mystic osprey]

How big is this the gcb ward? It increases speed but you must stand in it?!?

Why is plum typically bis? Does vers give haste?

[strange python]

vers gives damage

xd

[shrewd night]

gcb requires more braincells

thats the legit answer to why people are comfort picking plume

[rancid bobcat]

depends on fight

for shorter fights plumage is better

well not shorter but

there are clear advantages to plumage outside of "easier to use"

[novel drum]

there are multiple fights where you cant stand still for 10 seconds every minute on the minute

honestly more often than not there are bosses that require high movement or has a decent chance at cucking you

[shut garnet]

give me an example

other than, as i said, nzoth and anguishes can get a little awkward

but definitely still useable

[novel drum]

xanesh high movement

maut has a high chance of needing to walk out of melee to drop puddles

hivemind has high movement during rollers and echoing void

[shut garnet]

does this movement overlap with the 1:04 mark gcb would be used again?

[novel drum]

i run GCB, but to say that theres no need to finesse its use sometimes is just silly

[shut garnet]

(baring in mind its also got a 10yrd or so range so you dont actually have to stand still)

[novel drum]

from time to time yes. some people opt for the 200-400 dps difference to have a guarenteed 2 min cd that lines up with their vendetta and only their vendetta

[shut garnet]

more like 800-1.2k but yeah

[novel drum]

not to mention it adds another cd that some might find confusing to line up, was difficult at first

[manic pebble]

Is there a way to check corruption rotation?

I’d like to know when expedient 3 is coming back

[shut garnet]

corruptionvendor.com

[manic pebble]

Thank you 😉

[keen tree]

was talking to a friend and he said on DH and Warrior discord they recommend 6 boss 10 min fight no buffs for simming m+ .. what you think?

[wet ruin]

seems shit, you would get 0 restealths

[keen tree]

ah ok

wait why not?

surely you would get 1 restealth

from vanish

w

[wet ruin]

yea, you will

[keen tree]

aand dungeon slice is only 3 min

so you wouldn[t in that either would you?

[wet ruin]

dungeon slice is 6 min

[keen tree]

kk - and it sims multi packs?

[wet ruin]

yes

it sims packs with different sizes for different times

with a 2 min boss fight at the start if I am not mistaken

[keen tree]

ah ok

sim is telling my 435 helm is better than my 450 helm. Both have ss but one has hear of darkness and the 450 one doesnt

[tropic ocean]

use 435 one

tehn

then*

[keen tree]

yup - my hesitation comes from the fact that i know even dungeon slice is not that great

[strange lichen]

so with CT, do i just use it in my rotation to keep the dot up on ST? and what about mult targets? same thing?

i'm trying to get it down, been using PB

i mean it doesn't take the place of Envenom ever right?

[river helm]

Realistically is the crit or haste build better?

[tropic ocean]

better for what

@strange lichen yes it does and pinned guide will exactly explain you how so

[river helm]

Which is better for what @tropic ocean

Between keys and raid

I don't pvp personally

[tropic ocean]

expedient is bis for raid

and for keys it depends on key and groupcomp

sometimes raidbuild sometimes not

[river helm]

Gotcha

[quiet radish]

I have a question. I’m currently using the coral trinket for ST where should I apply it in my opener? Then remove it I assume I remove right before my second vendetta

[strange lichen]

@tropic ocean where? in the expedient/ex build guide?

[strange python]

@quiet radish apply ASAP, consume with every Vendetta (except the firsr obv) and reapply after

And you also consume If the Boss will die shortly obviously

[quiet radish]

So for the opener I have been doing garrote, coral, rupture, garrote , vendetta , mut, rupture, exsanguate bote

That sound accurate @strange python

[tropic ocean]

@strange lichen yes

[balmy condor]

@quiet radish yeah that’s fine

[quiet radish]

Thanks you both for the feedback

[strange lichen]

Yes thank u

[sinful iris]

Ladies and Gentlemen, what's your favorite WA strings for assassin? links would be DOPE

[balmy condor]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sinful iris]

I didn't know that was a thing

you're a hero

thanks

[balmy condor]

gotchu fam

[mental trout]

has any one tested these? what yall rocking ^

[balmy condor]

they're all tested

[mental trout]

[warm parcel]

rocking my very own

cause my wa > any other wa

[balmy condor]

yeah

that tbh

[warm parcel]

🙂

[vast forum]

default blizz UI > any WA

[warm parcel]

I dig default but playing without wa

idno chief

[vast forum]

works fine for me

what exactly do you need WAs for as rogue?

[balmy condor]

default kinda oof

[vast forum]

other than specific boss mechanics

default UI with a nameplate addon is bis

[warm parcel]

Id rather see timers for bleeds

And yea obviously mechanics

And Id rather not look down for cds

[vast forum]

i hate having anything in the middle of the screen blocking potential ground effects

also, bartender is a thing

[balmy condor]

thats why

[warm parcel]

A theyre not middle

[balmy condor]

you don't block with your was

[warm parcel]

B thats not default

Thats bart

[vast forum]

well i'm not using bartender but it's a thing if you don't wanna look down :

😄

[warm parcel]

So why get it when you have wa already

[vast forum]

WAs are just a crutch, set yourselves free

[patent topaz]

just play with your monitor off

[warm parcel]

Is this the eokw movement for wow

#stopwamovement

[strange python]

you guys have monitors?

[vast forum]

addons are a disease on the game, change my mind 😄

[patent topaz]

the default ui is dogshit

[warm parcel]

I mean they just aid you when you use them properly