Hard to say tbh
#assassination
umbral rapids
umbral rapids
Just like I have no clue how much i have before severe
balmy condor
But it’s like
umbral rapids
Also
balmy condor
6 button clicks
umbral rapids
Math meh
sharp swallow
was debating getting gushing wounds for pvp but sticking to my gut and waiting for exp3 to come back around
balmy condor
Nah
You can sim and the HTML will tell you unbuffed haste
That would be the way to do it
steel ridge
Helps that I’m german
@balmy condor hello fellow german
umbral rapids
Oh
steel ridge
Oof
balmy condor
:)
balmy condor
My brain Is past the point of freshening
amber quail
Rating- % by corruption
balmy condor
you’ve seen me in this chat
amber quail
Not so difficult 😆
balmy condor
My brain is like one of those christmas tree air fresheners that you have in your car for way too long
It’s there, but it’s not really doing anything
And % is probably more difficult
umbral rapids
😂
balmy condor
I think there’s a line for that too in simcraft
Maybe like 30% before exped?
That sounds reasonable
35?
Imma go with 35
The question now is
With the crucial information I have given you
A number between 20 and 50
What will you do with this sacred knowledge
fleet harness
Yeah its annoying as fck
umbral rapids
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
fleet harness
Or Vers/Mast gear
balmy condor
Crit mastery gear sounds nice
I need some of those for my 17th gear set
Feels sin man
tropic ocean
hol up
balmy condor
Hol down
balmy condor
Yeah but no one likes outlaw
umbral rapids
Besides wrathion dagger
balmy condor
You’re the yellow headed step child
lethal arrow
im wearing that one crit vers piece
balmy condor
You’re yellow in a sea of red
balmy condor
You could get the crafted 475’s
See some people rollin with those
Seems good enough ™️
umbral rapids
Huh?
umbral rapids
They’re 470
lethal arrow
5 ilvls is worth the fact that it has haste
balmy condor
You can sim that
lethal arrow
wait what r those called
balmy condor
I feel like I’ve said that before
umbral rapids
Eldritch something
lethal arrow
i genuinely want them now lol
lethal arrow
yah i found em
umbral rapids
Big brain whispyr
balmy condor
Depth, dredged
lethal arrow
oh god they roll stats randomly
balmy condor
Same thing
lethal arrow
yah i dont think im goin for those, fuck that noise LOL
balmy condor
Huge brain
lethal arrow
guess we're sticking with good ol crit vers til the chest decides to be kind
autumn girder
Should I pay attention to something if I use Galecallers without cds or just use it on cd?
balmy condor
(With on cd I mean use it on cd and then line up again for vendetta)
(Not Just Fire it off on cd like a maniac)
autumn girder
Yea thats obvious was just curious if I should delay something for it without vendetta and vanish
autumn girder
truu
balmy condor
I always assume people are new to rogue and go from there
Cause the worst that can happen is I explain something they already know
And that’s not too bad
But if I leave something out, they’re missing info
And that makes me feel bad
autumn girder
:PepeHands:
lethal arrow
autumn girder
PepeHands for me
lethal arrow
i just wanna join a guild that can get cutting edge man
i dont wanna wipe on reclears anymore 
lethal arrow
*reclears of the first 4 bosses
balmy condor
Gottem
But also kinda same when you decide to 1 heal Maut and you hit intermission
And then it gets kinda sketchy
amber quail
I have a dream...weekly chest loot bind on account 🤗
shrewd night
Just dont wear IS and youll stop wiping on maut
lethal arrow
shrewd night
Unless your healers are doodoo
lethal arrow
like i shoudlve just left when we hit 30
amber quail
There will be The day...but not today
balmy condor
Kinda toxic koffing
lethal arrow
that and i straight up think some of the ranged in my guild are not all there
balmy condor
Mental health is a real problem with covid
shrewd night
Imagine a nontoxic koffing
balmy condor
U rite
storm lava
i guys, which pot & prepot do we use in assa
lethal arrow
i literally watched some healers walk way too close to boss and just stand in the dark wings
balmy condor
The crit one
storm lava
hi*
storm lava
the red ?
balmy condor
Yeah
shrewd night
storm lava
ty
shut garnet
isnt it green
shrewd night
Am I colorblind?
shut garnet
if youre colour blind
balmy condor
Its red for sure
shut garnet
shrewd night
Bro
lethal arrow
das orange
shrewd night
THATS ORANGE
shut garnet
nice red name koffing
balmy condor
That’s red
shrewd night
Empowered proximity is red
lethal arrow
nah the dress is white and gold
shrewd night
balmy condor
I feel like koffing bout to hit me with a mute
Unbridled is more purple
Empowered proximity is more red
Therefore
Empowered proximity is pink
:-]
lethal arrow
jesus thats rough on some of these bosses
shrewd night
Not really 
balmy condor
Maybe to you
Now I’m toxic
Aight whatever ausrr woke up and talked in chat
That means my shifts done kek
umbral rapids
lol
balmy condor
Gnite everyone
umbral rapids
Good night whispyr !
lethal arrow
gnite ty for the help
balmy condor
No problemo, it’s what I try to do
shrewd night
tropic ocean
@balmy condor its not i cant login to open box cuz my realm is not found
tropic ocean
balmy condor
Or you can tilt about the m+ questions
You always love those
Cmon it’s fun
We do this cause it’s fun
...right ausrr?
shrewd night
Whispyr confirmed masochist
tropic ocean
I don't tilt
but after a while its not really fun
I can't really understand how in 2020 people cannot use google
balmy condor
If helping people is masochistic then I’m a damn masochist and that’s my right as an A M E R I C A N
tropic ocean
but well in family and work everyone thinks im an it specialist
umbral rapids
I thought you were german
balmy condor
Yeah but I have dual citizenship and speak both languages and have family in both countries
So I can choose which I want
For comedic effect
umbral rapids
tropic ocean
what other citizenship
shrewd night
Ill be happy to see how you link dual citizenship to assassination
balmy condor
That means dual as in 2
shrewd night
balmy condor
Mute me then big boy
tropic ocean
it means he can
balmy condor
I’m going to bed anyway
tropic ocean
outlaw and assassination
tropic ocean
ok it is time
lethal arrow
i just want out of my guild man
tropic ocean
get ready
shrewd night
I got news for you
balmy condor
YALL ROPED ME BACK INTO THIS
shrewd night
There are 09834896876435 guilds out there
umbral rapids
Oh please
shrewd night
Oh shi-
umbral rapids
I got an axe with no stats
tropic ocean
I got so many atal trinkets from these mfkas
tropic ocean
but now that I need trinket nothing
lethal arrow
yah but out of 100213102312832183 guilds, i dont wanna be stuck in one wiping on fucking shadhar after we've killed it for 3 weeks
shrewd night
Gotta go, goldfish funeral SEEYA
tropic ocean
@lethal arrow you will not find a guild where you will not wipe on reclears
its humans playing the game
umbral rapids
That’s nothing though
shut garnet
as long as ur not wiping to wrathion
tropic ocean
top 10 guild in reclear wiped 2 hours on queens court
shut garnet
5 wipes is minimal
tropic ocean
🤷
lethal arrow
like idk man, i just feel like taking 50 wipes to kill maut
doesnt sit right with me
tropic ocean
somewhat exaggerated I guess but
shut garnet
lmfao
normal olive
tropic ocean
its not unusual to wipe in reclears
normal olive
Blizzard pls
lethal arrow
i can understand that
my main point i guess is that, i would consider shadhar a really easy boss
lethal arrow
^^that too jesus my brain hurt so much at the end of that week
tropic ocean
but its still humans playing the game
umbral rapids
idk he said 5 wipes on shadhar then 50 on maut so i’m confused
tropic ocean
and humans make mistakes
and that stuff happens
no matter how good your guild is
especially in farm when everyone is cba
lethal arrow
youre right
tropic ocean
thats total wipes
lethal arrow
thats 60
umbral rapids
That’s total yeah
lethal arrow
for maut I meant we should not have taken 50 to down maut
tropic ocean
and why would you think so?
if you think your guild is worse than you find a better one
umbral rapids
Well, 1) I doubt your next 3 kills only had 10 wipes if your first was 50 2) 50 wipes for the first kill doesn’t sound too horrible to be honest.
tropic ocean
but from personal exp I can tell you the higher you go the more your mentality matters rather than individual skill (obviously you cant hard int)
tropic ocean
well that is really contradicting to this conversation
grizzled jay
You just vent in discords to random people
umbral rapids
tropic ocean
you will wipe in progression, you will wipe a lot
lethal arrow
eh p much what he said
tropic ocean
you will wipe to the same players doing the same mistakes
20 times
it wont matter if you are in wr 500 wr 100 or wr 10
you will have the same issues
umbral rapids
I doubt you played perfectly from wipe 1 to wipe 50.
We all mess up
Happens
Part of the challenge of playing with 20 people
tropic ocean
if you think guild is holding you back apply to a better one, simple
tropic ocean
but as I climbed in world ranks and reduced raiding hours I figured every guild has the same issues
tropic ocean
progress-wise so I chose the one with best raid atmosphere
lethal arrow
i just guess i need more experience
umbral rapids
That sounds like the right mindset tbh
grizzled jay
Yeah atmosphere matters so much
lethal arrow
idk i just finally haev so much more time to raid/play the game and i wanna get better
umbral rapids
You’ll wipe everywhere, most important is guild’s attitude when you wipe
tropic ocean
cuz spending 9 hours per week wiping to nzoth while everyone is nice and have fun is better than wiping 12 hours while people insult each other, death threaten each other and shout at each other
😄
tropic ocean
getting better isnt necessarily tied to playing more
think its a misperception in general wow community
guilds that raid 5 days 4 hours in top 100
are not better than 2 day guilds 6 hours that raid wr 150
😉
they just brute force the encounter
analyze your logs, try to see stuff you can improve, and most importantly try to see what can I do better in raid to carry team
and u'll naturally improve
umbral rapids
Getting better is totally about being fine that you currently suck 😊
And work on it
Not saying you do
tropic ocean
like my old raid had issues to play xanesh so I just said let me play
normal olive
Getting better is totally about knowing you are allways bad
tropic ocean
stuff like that
umbral rapids
Just how I approched it
tropic ocean
and every raid I try to improve log while still doing the stuff I need to do
and be it 0.2% or 1% improvement
doesnt matter
as long as theres an improve
umbral rapids
Actually
When you want to get better you spend more time on logs and research than actually playing
tropic ocean
true yeah
umbral rapids
I parsed gray everywhere in HC at the start of the patch lol
tropic ocean
and a lot of improvement just comes with practice of the fight
umbral rapids
I’d spend hours after each raid looking at logs and comparing to top one
Now 95.7 average on hc
tropic ocean
like
those are not really gear improvements but rather playing the fight better
most impact imo
umbral rapids
You get used to CD timings etc after a while
lethal arrow
hmm that was today right?
tropic ocean
y
tropic ocean
well thats a kill log tho
either yesterday if u are eu
or could still be today if u are us
lethal arrow
yah i started playing 5/31
i can definitely see myself improving more, thats why i was in this channel actually earlier
cuz i wanted to know how to do more dmg on wrathion
normal olive
For Pugging everything i like to think that these are decent
normal olive
kekw
tropic ocean
well they are ok I guess
umbral rapids
But yeah most my top logs are with my guild’s sunday heroic
Where bosses die so fast
tropic ocean
dunno what gear or killtimes but
usually its not really hard at current state to log good in heroic
as theres just so many ppl that have no clue
and take 8min for a boss
normal olive
most groups i join are groups where people have no curve so fights take a while and
and wipes happen on every boss
umbral rapids
Yeah i was just pointing out progress
lethal arrow
yah i dont particularly look at my heroic logs
umbral rapids
In pugs fights take a while
lethal arrow
cuz 50k is purple on carapce for some reason
tropic ocean
think I should get guild to do 1 heroic clear so I can parse 😄
umbral rapids
Listen that’s all I have ...
lethal arrow
i get that
umbral rapids
tropic ocean
you shouldn't really look at the raw dps numbers in logs
but rather find top logs with similar killtime
untold mortar
just build big vip on boosting @tropic ocean
tropic ocean
and compare cd usage/cast counts/apm
umbral rapids
Trying to yoink a spot for xanesh in mythic 👀
tropic ocean
@untold mortar even vip cant compare with guild doing heroic
like this what happen when u clear heroic with mainraid
😄
untold mortar
ya true
untold mortar
skitra was yesterday in FFA 😄
sullen pagoda
heroic logs
shrewd night
Its not about he knows what to do, its about you are less likely to fuck up than rando13 in your raid
crimson palm
want me to join a random pug for every boss and if i parse below 99 i'll paypal you 10k $?
lethal arrow
oh im actually stupid
normal olive
i'll play priest and grab you into shit xD
lethal arrow
i didnt realize the rank # wasnt your parse percent
untold mortar
relax we were just joking around
crimson palm
@normal olive used to that already, neural silencer is a thing XD
normal olive
xD
crimson palm
@tropic ocean whatever makes you tick mate
umbral rapids
Well if you have to pug hc to get kills you most likely don’t have the gear to parse 99
shrewd night
umbral rapids
....
normal olive
I Pug hc because my guild consists of 4 people of which 3 are not playing
untold mortar
i tried to parse in lfr, but unfortunately i wasnt good enough
normal olive
xD
lethal arrow
p sure less ppl have killed lfr nzoth than mythic
shrewd night
crimson palm
i tried lfr once when echoes vendor released
i dont think i've seen anything scarier in my life
lethal arrow
shits no joke
crimson palm
legit spent 9 minutes on vexiona
normal olive
20 tries on lfr nzoth
umbral rapids
shrewd night
You havent lived unless you trolled people in your guild into thinking you could get resistance upgrade from lfr nzoth.
normal olive
oof
crimson palm
i made em think that hivemind small shits dont count in logs
normal olive
that's evil
shrewd night
Is it really trolling if they didnt for a couple of days?
tropic ocean
gz
limber merlin
Got all 480 Pieces with Eb and Ss 😄
umbral rapids
Gratz !
umbral rapids
Yeah I still have them in my bank haha
shut garnet
poggers?
shut garnet
l m a o
tropic ocean
it feels like blizz detects
when u upgrade an item
and gives u similar the next id
😄
steep plover
I got a good 470 haste/crit legs from 5 mask run
It has expedient 1 on it
U reckon cleanse and put on expedient 3
Or just keep it on and save the expedient for another piece
steep plover
I have 10k im saving up for the next expedient rotation. Really wnated gushing for pvp but better to just save for expedient
Aight easy
Finally got some good haste gear lmaoo
Been weeks
tropic ocean
gj
prime void
5x gush is kinda meh
normal olive
can buy 2 more if i do all my visions
prime void
9x or bust
lethal arrow
i can prob buy 8 exped 3s next week
tropic ocean
normal olive
got a vers 3 corruption so it's gonna be 8 if i manage to get them
tropic ocean
dont think 1 vers corr is good
just play 9 gush
i only play 5 because on dh I prefer 2x slapper
normal olive
it was on the piece when i got it
so it's gonna be the last one i replace
470 versa crit legs with vers 3 corruption
tropic ocean
decent
normal olive
better then nothing ^^
tropic ocean
I mean 5 ilvl for free corruption is decent
willow pasture
yo, does anybodybody which is the best loot specialisation to get haste? I fell like with Assa active I only get crit...
Is it maybe better to use Sub?
tropic ocean
loot spec wont matter for stats on an item
predetermined lootpool
you can check from dungeon journal
warm olive
I got 475 plummage today, for M+ only, should i replace torment 460 oder harlans 455. sim it?
warm olive
even for M+?
mighty elm
my day is fully ruined, i got gcb in chest 
mighty elm
distant lava
time to have some fun with a shit trinket
I remember my font gcb or lurker's gcb days
mighty elm
If you think im not soaking every mechanic while in my gcb, you do be wrong
tropic ocean
if you think im not soaking every mechanic while not even using gcd, you do be wrong
mighty elm
tropic ocean
time 2 grind crucible
icy girder
anyone got the visions crystal and chest weak aura?
shrewd night
Its within the error range
karmic zenith
I am at 66% haste, 34% crit and 35% mastery with 3 r3 Exp and 4 R2 exp, would it be better to put a crit, or haste gem in?
shrewd night
So it doesnt make a difference whether you socket or not
karmic zenith
Oh ok
shrewd night
Link the sim though
shrewd night
Why didnt you run top gear?
karmic zenith
I'll do that now
shrewd night
Then you can just select the gems you want to check and done deal
karmic zenith
Ahh ok, thank you
warm parcel
a gem is way more than margin
your nonsocket has an enchant
your second ring doesnt
karmic zenith
Ah, that should be the reason, I forgot to sim it with the enchant which I have
tribal obsidian
@tropic ocean what trinket was your current setup compared to lurkers
tropic ocean
plumarsch
verbal lion
@shrewd night uunat when???
verbal lion
still doesnt have the achievement 
shrewd night
Get fuckered, idiot
north pond
Hey guys just came to playing rogue after not playing wow since beginning of x-pac what essence instead of cdf can I use for bleed haste build? Thanks.
crimson palm
445 font pulling ahead of vita on 3m2t and 2m fights 
crimson palm
scrap
spice glade
if i prefer m+ over raids should i still sim?
Its single target right?
kinda new to this
strange python
yeah if you want to play optimally
m+ would be a multi- target spec
why stack shrouded suffocation?
dense blaze
Does big damage
gusty mirage
why stack shrouded suffocation?
@strange python because you garrote for both energy and the damage. With subterfuge you get 3 empowered garrotes which helps you get your energy rolling and hits like a truck
strange python
makes sense.. it seems like there would be other options that would sim higher in a longer fight but it is what it is i guess
@gusty mirage so you never rupture in subterfuge?
silent crescent
With vanish for damage it's still really nice
strange python
right burst dmg vs the other options which are more sustain
gusty mirage
@strange python for m+ your opener is always garrote garrote garrote, then crimson tempest if specced into it, otherwise rupture
Ideally you want 4-5 bleeds up every pull so you’re not energy starved so you’d fan of knives into 1-2 ruptures after
strange python
gotcha wasting the 3 combo points probly is worth the extra garrote
gusty mirage
Assuming 3+ mobs per pull of course
Yeah the wasted CP is worth getting that 3rd empowered garrote 🙂
It just hits so hard with triple shrouded
strange python
was just curious because ive seen some rogues say you just want 1 for the combo point buff and others have it on all 3 pieces
seems to be a mix on the leaderboards too
gusty mirage
For m+ I always run triple shrouded esp when stacking severe corruptions. I’m at 73% crit w/ crit food before procs get rolling
strange python
that sounds like a strong build
gusty mirage
I’m experimenting now with masterful corruption as well because I’m consistently near 100% crit once all procs and such get rolling
gusty mirage
Vers ends up being stronger than mastery if you‘re 2-3 echo blades
But ideally you want as much crit as possible
Then worry about mastery + vers
gusty mirage
For m+ no unless you’re running exsang
With the exception really being junkyard for zap damage
gusty mirage
Yeah, plus as high as you can get your mastery and/or vers without sacrificing crit
strange python
arenas moreso
rare belfry
Crit > ver > mast > haste in fort weeks
tidal fractal
Just a quick question: How much is galecallers boon a sim trap? Got a ilvl 475 one. Probably depends most on encounters right?
gusty mirage
^
rare belfry
Open on 3 targets with garot ct after
FoK 2 or 3 times to make use of elaborate and start rupt on targets
gusty mirage
yeah @strange python you want haste vers for arena, although I don’t do much arena anymore
rare belfry
Between finisher like rupt ct or enve use FoK to build cp
gusty mirage
Yeah you rarely mutilate outside of boss fights
tidal fractal
@vast forum aight tahnks 🙂
sterile quartz
For m+ I always run triple shrouded esp when stacking severe corruptions. I’m at 73% crit w/ crit food before procs get rolling
@gusty mirage no strikethrough? You should run with at least 12% or more
This is UR 19 with tyranical and only 55% crit and only 4% strike...need to buy another ranka 3 to have about 20%
I think on forti week with full gear i can do about 110 K
steel ridge
how much haste do you guys recommend for 3xEB 3xSS for M+?
just asmuch to ensure you can keep EBing?
tropic ocean
73% big overkill crit
steel ridge
i just had enough of the 4750 gamble after getting trash for the last 2 month and gambled 8 pieces of 900 rediduum and got all 3 pieces with EB&SS
big middlefinger to blizzard for this
gusty mirage
how much haste do you guys recommend for 3xEB 3xSS for M+?
@steel ridge none, you don't need haste for m+
steel ridge
so as much crit as i can gather and then mastery/vers?
gusty mirage
if you're running triple echo, crit + vers
all your energy needs will come from venomous wounds, so throw up 3 garrotes into a crimson tempest, then fok rupture 2 targets and keep putting on ruptures as your garrotes fall off
you'll have more than enough energy for fok + envenom spamming
steel ridge
deeper strategem or vigor?
gusty mirage
vigor
wet ruin
or you can run your ST exp build for m+ as well 
gusty mirage
yeah don't run exsang unless you have the haste for it. I know @marble hemlock was experimenting with exsang in m+ and made it work
I personally don't use exsang, so I wouldn't be a good person to ask about it
steel ridge
i made it work somehow aswell, but as soon as the tank goes chainpulling you will lose out
and i want some BOMB
gusty mirage
well chaining is fine as long as you have at least 4 mobs to throw ruptures on
its not as ideal as opening w/ 3x garrotes
but it'd be fine
steel ridge
without echoing its the suck
everything hits like a wet noodle compared to empowered garrotes
gusty mirage
yeah thats why I'm often sad in pugs lol
steel ridge
its cool in raid aswell, you can just switch from ST gear to AoE bomb gear for trash without any time loss and bomb the fuck out of the big pulls in nyalotha
figured i will need another year to get lucky on 480s
gusty mirage
thats because blizzard hates assassination rogues 🙂
and we cant get decent m+ azerite from raid anymore
gusty mirage
I'm running 71% crit, 8% haste, 57% mastery, and like 7% vers rn
steel ridge
with room for another 20 corruption, whats on sale right now?
wow thats a shit ton of crit
gusty mirage
trash on the vendor atm imo, vers 1 and I think deadly momentum 3 are the only decent ones
thin cargo
Gushing is up as well
gusty mirage
yeah I forgot about gushing after they nerfed it 😦
steel ridge
i have 4 severe 12% on the gear right now
no idea where i can get more crit... how do you get 70% man xD
gusty mirage
I'll link you my rio if you want to look at my gear @steel ridge
steel ridge
yes pls
tropic ocean
exsang is not tied to haste build
its big on eb ss too
and 71% crit is not recommended either
its super hard overkill + hard dr
gusty mirage
@tropic ocean it is nice seeing 80-90% crit rate for my abilities though 😮
gusty mirage
for keys? I do just fine
tropic ocean
???
you can stack mastery play master poisoner hidden blades and do fine
is it optimal
no
gusty mirage
we have different definitions of fine then
tropic ocean
crit scales very well with eb until the point where every fok procs 5x echoing then it not only drops hard in value due to trait limit
but also due to natural dr of crit as a stat
gusty mirage
this is true
tropic ocean
and 70% crit is insane overkill
and you're dps wise better off shaving 10,20% and pump mastery and vers
steel ridge
i figured ... so strikethrough?
tropic ocean
ye
gusty mirage
My vers is the only thing that's lacking, my mastery is fine imo w/ masterful I'm around 60% mastery
thin cargo
So basically an outlaw build?
gusty mirage
masterful nav*
tropic ocean
you can use same gear
for outlaw/3ss eb
yes
just stack crit vers
with optimized gear and sockets 2 severe rest strikethrough
gusty mirage
but I don't run triple echo so I'm not too worried about my vers
tropic ocean
makes even less sense to use as much crit without using 3 echo
gusty mirage
disagree
gusty mirage
Speaking in a general sense, you're right it isn't an opinion based statement
steel ridge
Twilight Devastation 3 is my option... but it puts me at 56 corruption
tropic ocean
with 48% ish base crit on 5-6 targets increasing crit is already significant dps loss for me
steel ridge
should be fine for m+?
steel ridge
got plumage
tropic ocean
but it wont matter a lot until u finish strikethroughs
steel ridge
or should i opt into tormet in a jar?
steel ridge
me too, it seems so not impactful
tropic ocean
dmg wise its decent
but Idk ppl say it cant but im very confident it can proc off sap
steel ridge
which is not a good combo xD
onyx crane
dense blaze
Anyone else out there gemming/enchanting for a bit mastery instead of straight haste for raids? Feels like I am the only one doing it but it is what the computer tells me to do
dense blaze
I know that, I look at other people on WCL and they're all following Raz's guide by the book, no deviation just straight haste with quick/deadly enchants
tropic ocean
well the difference is small
and maybe ppl are just too lazy to do full gem/enchant sim for 20dps gain
dense blaze
Bit more than 20
dense blaze
This is a sim I ran https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wun9YPuY6ezeW9nR2z1Bbe The straight haste quick/dead is 455 DPS lower which I don't think is minor
I get the logic behind it wanting me to put mastery on but I don't see other people on logs doing it
tropic ocean
maybe they dont have the exact same gear as you do
for me e.g. I use mastery pants
and mastery belt gloves
so naturally have higher mastery
dense blaze
They don't obviously but you would think I would see someone else doing this
tropic ocean
while you mainly use crit/haste pieces
dense blaze
That's one of the big things is I have a ton of crit from gear yes
thin cargo
My guess is the sim is making up some of the mastery you're "missing". Doesn't seem that out of the question
dense blaze
What's this
tropic ocean
mine wants 1 mastery as well
dense blaze
You changed my major for that
dense blaze
I'm simming what I run in raids
crimson palm
fv's gonna devalue haste even more
but the 485 boots do give some mastery
might end up neutral and a small increase
dense blaze
Dunno, I know everything is about simming yourself and doing what the computer tells you to do but I look at other logs and I just don't see other guys around my rank doing anything but straight haste and quick/deadly and it makes me second guess myself
royal lantern
they have different gear, wich means different stats are good for them...?
dense blaze
We established that, but my logic is that at least one of them would have something that isn't all haste
crimson palm
personally im on autopilot until next tier and didnt even bother simming
dense blaze
Could be bad logic, I'm open to that possibility
umbral rapids
Maybe they’re wrong and you’re right
sullen pagoda
@dense blaze ngl i have exact same thinking about a lot of sim stuff but might change my mind about clf
kind lantern
corruption makes simming extra hard if you don't have premium
there's only so many combinations you can do at once
sullen pagoda
only ran it in hc boost last week but it did pretty great @dense blaze
royal lantern
@kind lantern tell me about it
dense blaze
I am very on the fence about taking CLF to mythic
sullen pagoda
yeah im trying it out tonight if i dont cba going rogue and just bring some trap alt
dense blaze
We do speed kills and it sims better with my current enchants and gems at all kill times
crimson palm
its only worth on xanesh
bote outperforms on rest
and only if ur kill time is 3:20+
sullen pagoda
yea we dont do speed kills people bringing alts left and right
i mean im first one to bring an alt
dense blaze
I wouldn't say I hate it but I don't like how it plays, the sim loves it but you look at logs and it's a sea of everyone playing BOTE but there are some rank ones using CLF and that's what is pushing me towards using it
vast forum
is it?
vast forum
my 3 min sims show CLF still at the top
sullen pagoda
and 2-3k below on 5min
vast forum
which is why i use formless and steal CLF every fight
i only use blood on n'zoth and hivemind
wet ruin
for me blood is better between 2:30-3:10
crimson palm
if you disable the variance on the fight length and force it to be 3 mins only
royal lantern
wet ruin
just the 3 min sim have an incredibly big fight length variance
sullen pagoda
o ye thats true
the sim does a lot of funky shit cuz of variance we discussed it last time
wet ruin
I didn't try less than 2:30, but clf might get more value below that
but that is mostly heroic burst fights
vast forum
tbh even on 3 min fights
i'd run formless
steal blood on pull, and steal CLF for 2nd vend
sullen pagoda
can u set formless steal targets or
crimson palm
below 2:30 is vanish hold with vop minor and koji still has to test it >.<
vast forum
not in sims
wet ruin
what is blood cooldown with formless
crimson palm
2:30
sullen pagoda
+50% iirc
wet ruin
so you would still need around 3 min for it to be usefull
sullen pagoda
base cd is 1:30
crimson palm
r1 is the base cd
wet ruin
no, it takes the 2 min on blood
I believe this is a bug, but who knows
in the sense that it should take the 1.5min
crimson palm
it strictly says base cooldown on the tooltip
rank 2 is a cooldown reduction effect
it doesnt set a new base
sullen pagoda
unlucky
crimson palm
i think there is one guy with a r1 on a boss using formless
wet ruin
I guess you are right
wet ruin
and probably blood would've been better for that length
vast forum
thing is, if you steal blood ~6 sec prepull, you have formless on 2.30 again
which allows for a full CLF if fight is 3 min
the cooldown starts when you steal, not when you use it
wet ruin
sure, but its still around 3 min to be usefull
young vessel
crimson palm
the kill time is way too dependant on the amount of drunk ppl that show up so i'd never bet on it
dense blaze
All my simming said one honed mind is good
tropic ocean
thats not uncommon
strange python
Hey, guys. I'm totally new to rogue and I have a basic question.
If I have 5 combo points up and I'm out of combat and about to own a mob.. do I open with rupture or I still do garrote first?
dense blaze
rupture
strange python
Thanx
shy axle
Hw do you handle the pull on nzoth mythic? Any tricks how to get 3 garrotes off? Do you save your cd`s for the 1st psychus (if you arge going down) and tunnel him after 3 buffs? Kind of a mess right now, trying to improve
tropic ocean
depending on dps down not cding at all
but if cd usually 6 stacks
and on pull u can target basher with tab when it spawns
then g1 g2 g1
blissful storm
do we want to hold vendetta if exang is on CD so we will have exsang in vendetta window?
vast forum
depends on kill times
usually you want to sync 2nd vend/2nd vanish/4th exsang if the kill time allows it without losing any casts
patent topaz
close, but no cigar
frigid pilot
With low gear is exang viable?
Or should I go the non subterfuge toxic blade guild
Build
main forge
Okay my current dilemma is... I can get up to 30k echoes right now. I have 3x gushing wounds... and I could get 6x more and have a 9x gushing wounds... but I really need to get probably 4-5x Exp 3 to fit on new pieces(I have 5 exp on my gear right now). WWYD? I only dabble in PvP, and raiding is what I really enjoy...(4/12m right now)
dense blaze
Pretty sure there is a good amount of time before expedient comes back around
crimson palm
isnt it on 15th
dense blaze
Unsure
mental trout
The 14th I think
main forge
yeah so it next tuesday
dense blaze
If that's the case, you should save for expedient if raiding is your top priority
Do all your daily visions and daily quests for visions along the way you can probably get a gushing or two
main forge
Thats how I am counting the 30k echoes
dense blaze
5 exp3 will be 25k so any over just get the gushings
mental trout
Will the corruption resist be high enough by the time the next exp 3 (not the 14th) comes around for more then 7 exp 3? I need too buy 4 exp 3 too have 7 and I have more then enough, wondering if I should buy a few more to be prepared?
main forge
That sound about right.
dense blaze
Always good to have extra
main forge
since it takes 4 weeks to rotate though
mental trout
It’s 3 a week right? And a month for a cycle? So + 12 by the time it comes?
dense blaze
Next reset we can do 8 exp3 and 1 exp1 and be under 60
mental trout
That better then 7 exp3 1 hm 3 and a exp2?
I’m on mobile and forget all the values.
Think it’s 7x20 - 35 - (not sure what exp2)
dense blaze
Honed mind is end game
main forge
exp 2 would be 15
dense blaze
Also talking strictly staying under 60